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I'm not sure why you refer to GOG as selling "game keys" as if it's a key reseller, when GOG is its own storefront like steam or epic. Their copies aren't limited. It's just the full game you can buy.
I used to buy a few dozen NEW games per year. Not so much anymore, as I now wait for a sale for 99% of my games before even considering a purchase. When a great new game comes out I Wishlist it and move on.
As someone who has always been a PS fanboy since the PS1 era, Sony started to lost me back in the mid PS4 era and now, completely lost me in the PS5 era. There is NO reason to have Horizon ZD remastered. The original still looks good for today's standard.
I mean if nobody is buying it at £10, then they aren't going to pay £40, just because it looks a tiny bit better. The game is 7 years old and worth £10.
I honestly think Sony exists in this quantum state where, on the one hand, they acknowledge the importance of the PC market and actively pursue it, and then on the other where they seemingly disregard its existence so therefore don't understand the platform or its audience's practises
They are holding Bloodborne hostage at this point, like why even have exclusives anymore? All it does in the modern day is limit the overall potential customer base, the Helldivers PSN Account diabolical is proof enough of how it’s more a negative impact, heck even if they don’t try putting something like Zero Dawn on Xbox or Switch, but putting work on functional PC ports that don’t require you giving your mothers maiden name to Sony, it could help hold up that oh so important bottom line, lastly imagine if Eldin Ring was an Xbox Exclusive? I doubt everyone with a PlayStation would buy an Xbox or even consider it, as good as that game is
this is why copyright needs put back to 10 years. they excused the extensions on teh premise that copywrong is needed to protect innovation, but this just proves that copywrong is activly halting innovation.
copyright laws are ridiculous. The CREATORS of the content DON'T own the copyrights for their work. Some loser publishers usually steal copyrights and patents from the content creators. Now THAT is the real piracy. Copyright laws need to be reforms entirely to protect creator ownership or be gotten rid of completely.
"Aggressive pricing". The PS5 Pro price in New Zealand is $1378. No disc drive. No stand. For comparison to the US market, that's approximately double the price/purchasing power per dollar ratio. The cost benefit analysis of games has to include a portion of the console cost, and for Kiwis, Playstation are so far beyond not worth it. Just wait for the game to be on PC. Patience is free.
Yep NZ here myself, my wife and I got PCs built and for the high cost of entry we are secure in our PCs outlasting consoles and with the many deep sales through steam for all my games its just more affordable longterm and with the extra stuff of my PC being useful for things other then games and getting to play games with some fucked up mods is all the better.
@@BellularNews It's pretty egregious when you take purchasing power of our currencies into account. The PS5 Pro isn't worth the price regardless of location. Add the cost of the games themselves and the cost of accessing multiplayer on the PlayStation network it's simply better value to switch to PC.
Maybe Sony should start caring about their audience's dissatisfaction. They're losing exclusives that they've had for over a decade (Atlus's Persona, Square Enix's Final Fantasy). And just speaking from personal experience, this is the first generation I've skipped the new Playstation (I had bought every one from PS2 forward).
Playstation believes they're the Apple for Gaming, they should look at the Iphone 16 underwhelming launch sales figures...you can't always stay at your prime (ask Nokia and Blackberry and Sega...)
@leonhart7306 I'm in a similar boat. I bought a PS5 while waiting for FF16 and FF7 Rebirth. If both titles had launched on PC day one, I would've bought them there. Some of Sony's first party stuff has been great this generation, but it's been too few and far in between.
Frankly, if i look at majority of games for PS5, there is NOTHING there. Most of them look good. That´s it. Stories are very bad, lots of QTE events, and the "player" spends most of his "gametime" watching cutscenes. And you only get few releases per year, until they will be done with this gen and move on to "next gen". Meanwhile, if you look at PS2, the amount of games and their quality, it´s as if it were made by different company.
Companies got so delusional and greedy to think the best way to make more money is to make their own products hostages that we will have to pay more to have access to, instead of providing more value with new and better games. No thanks, PC is looking better and better, and I'm not talking about Steam or AAAs. We're truly living a new industry crash
When space marine 2 came out a friend wanted to buy the game, on steam it was at 40 something buck, then he saw the price listed on ps5 and the game was 70bucks 30 dollar. Increase just for being on playstation and if you wanted to play online he needed to buy ps plus
SM1 used to be deep discounted, because age. When SM2 was announced, they deleted the original and replaced it with a 'complete edition' at a new-ish release price.
All I've learned in this video is how utterly disconnected I am from the AAA industry. Let Sony do whatever they want. I have more fun with Indie games anyway. Pale Beyond has been a blast.
All three new games I've bought this year have been indies, and I just backed My Time at Evershine's Kickstarter. If all I had to play was AAA slop, I'd have found a new hobby by now.
@@roboticgentlemen1970 start demanding copywong law is rolled back on account of activly halting innovation when it was expanded under teh excuse of protecting innovation.
I will never understand people throwing money at "digital deluxe" versions. However, according to the CI Games 2025-2028 Strategy Report a whooping 47% bought the digital deluxe version of Lords of the Fallen! I have a feeling old Sony will get away with this price hike.
Tip 2: Don´t bother with HZD, if you already finished it. Due to its linearity, it´s not worth replaying. Unless you have a bad memory ofc. Mine is so good i´m cursed to only play each game once. On 2nd playthrough i already know the story well enough to be bored out of my mind.
Couldn't care less. With the shift to digital, no mod support, and lack of backwards compatibility, the only thing consoles have to offer is rumble functionality, which was pretty much nonexistent on the PS4. I'm out.
I just don't really give a damn about Sony. There's been little to no reason for me to buy any of the games mentioned. Used to like their games and consoles when I was younger but everyone I know has moved on from it.
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They are too creatively bankrupt to actually create a new game instead of remastering old ones or copying already saturated formulas.
Ineffective bloat, is my belief. The more cooks you have in the kitchen the more difficult it is to cook the meal. I believe that there is so much work either being thrown away, being slowed down, or simply not happening because the very act of having hundreds of people doing one thing is that they step on each others toes. You literally pay managers to manage managers. This just makes things take longer. That and they keep "remaking" systems rather than reusing them. That little bottle in the trash no one sees still had to be modeled, and that modeler makes 150k a year, to make bottles you dont notice are assets in the game. There's so much superfluous money bleed from "make it look good" that so much of the work doesn't actually contribute to the games experience as a whole.
Because Sony only wants "Hollywood blockbuster" games and also seems to over pay people that don't know what they are doing so that they have to hire another company to finish just to meet deadlines.
Even adjusted for inflation, every game that's been my personal Game of the Year since 2012 COMBINED cost less to make than one AAA blockbuster costs to make today. (Crusader Kings 2, Papers Please, Banished, Cities Skylines, Stardew Valley, Doki Doki Literature Club, Rimworld, Dawn of Man, Super Mega Baseball 3, Medieval Dynasty, Tactics Ogre Reborn, and My Time at Sandrock, respectively, FWIW. All indie or AA titles. The last AAA game to be my GOTY was Skyrim in 2011.) Why choose between quality and quantity when if you look in the right places you can have both?
Sony was learning from Bethesda, who is the pioneer in re-releasing the same game over & over again with minimum changes. HZD is generally not worth more than single playthrough due to its linearity, so anyone who already played it, will very likely not play it again.
Funny thing is i bought Horizon Zero Dawn for like $13 during a Steam. I havent finished it because i find the characters, including Aloy really boring.
I wouldnt call it slop or mid just very boring interms of writing. Millennial writing is what i call it. Super safe and not really taking risks. @funicon3689
@@alaeriia01 The only reason I haven't bought it is because, and this is a good problem to have, I have too many time-sink games already and I couldn't really get the most out of it unless I quit my job. And I like things like a full stomach and a warm, safe bed to sleep in at night, and so does my cat.
I am a huge Insomniac fan, especially their Spider-Man games, but I cannot for the life of me see how they managed to spend all that money for Spider-Man 2. Yes, it's an amazing game, yes it has a lot of great cinematics, mocap, voice-acting, etc. But it also has so many reused assets and technology from the previous 2 games. Where did they spend all that money?!
And.... that's why you buy a gaming PC. It was already a losing battle to argue that a console is a better option but it's just getting worse and worse....
They've all been doing it, not just sony. Newer games have been horrible and older games have been outselling newer games for YEARS! This is why they just started removing games from shelves and why it's imperative to keep physical media alive!
The funny part for me is I only bought Ghost of Tsushima when I learned I could play it without connecting a PSN account. I won't be touching any other Sony games. I also haven't touched Nintendo because they're just too expensive. The lack of any sales turns me off, especially when I primarily play PC and can get a couple of really good indie titles for the same price (and support indie developers at the same time). The price of the remakes also turned me heavily off. I was super interested in Thousand Year Door...until I saw the price and knew they would never lower it. I have enough trouble remembering and setting aside time to play my switch when I had games I was interested in but with my steam backlog, it's not worth it to me.
So, isn't "innovating on pricing strategy" just a euphemism for "gouge your customers Nintendo-style?" Name a single consumer friendly thing Sony or Nintendo have done in recent years? I can't think of one, certainly not when compared to what MS has done! People need to demand better, and if people would call out Sony and Nintendo as loudly as they do Microsoft, maybe they would...
I hope sony follows the footsteps of ubi, all the way to bankruptcy. Sony is pretty big so it'll take a long time of scummy business practices and demolishing games by shoehorning as much monetization as they can while they fight it, and won't likely happen. But i can hope.
Price gouging is gonna keep happening as long as people are gonna be greedy. Unless those companies spread the wealth, the gaming industry economy is gonna tank. We’ve seen the “micro” transactions and if those weren’t a sign of what was to com; the future is looking bleak. Sony, nintendo, and pc companies like blizzard all have histories of being overly greedy and sneaky. Can’t say much about Xbox since I don’t have one nor do I have an interest in getting one
I am very happy I bought the original version of Zero Dawn on GOG before the take-down. The Sequel, does not seem to need PSN... yet. though it is a worry, and I want to pick up that game as well. A Steam Login is not as bad as having both Steam & PSN which is two points of failure should one of them go down. PSN also does not have a good track record with security. I fell like I should buy it before they do something scummy like this by either "remastering it" and removing the original... or adding PSN to the main download...
My guess would be that SSBU has to pay all the additional licence costs that make going on sale unfeasible. But that's just a guess. It makes no sense that it has never been on sale on the eshop.
I have to say that Square Enix still keeps their old Final Fantasy games at around 1/4 of a brazilian minimum wage, its borderline madness to expect anyone not just too rich to even care about prices to buy it, I hope people will simply opt to not purchase overpriced games, make companies understand that bigger isnt always better.
The issue with sony shifting to a blue ocean strategy is that their games DO have competiton on the high end market, and to succesfully defeat those competiitors they need to spend exponentially more money for minor gains. Once they start to hit that wall and other competitors challenge their reign, its gonna be difficult to keep pricing from becoming far more expensive, and decreasing market share. Already they are limiting themselves to a few countries with PSN, and making it worse with their price exclusivity and lack of regional models. I dont think this will be sustainable in the long run honestly
Only time I support price hikes is to offset additional development time to make a more complete experience, especially considering how the $40-60 price point got gutted by inflation. For example, if nintendo decided to make a new pokemon game with multiple regions and a complete national dex, I would easily swallow $150+ and consider it a more worthwhile purchase than a standard pokemon game with cut content to keep the price at usual levels.
kinda funny how acts like these make me go from "hm i might pirate this because im poor" to "oh if i ever want to play it I will def pirate it, they are not getting a penny."
Nintendo is so successful and doesn't need to discount their games for two reasons: First, they DON'T pour millions into graphics, graphics, graphics. Nintendo games are just plain fun, they don't need to be bleeding edge. Second, they actually use most of their IPs. We get new Marios, Zeldas, Metroids, and more on the regular. When was the last time Sony did something meaningful with Legend of Dragoon? They own it. They don't use it.
I just wish that there were cost breakdowns when they say a game costs that much. How much of that is marketing? How much of that is outside consulting firms? How much of that is executive bonuses? How much of that is artificially inflated costs, such as factoring in licensing IP that is owned by the parent company? I've read many articles about voice actors, mo-cap actors etc. struggling to get fair wages, junior and even senior devs getting hired for salary work so they don't have to be paid overtime wages for the crunch, post-launch layoffs and so on, and I'm having a hard time squaring that with ballooning costs to make these games. Especially when you read about indie devs making superior games on a shoe string budget.
cyberpunk was selling for as low as 11 euro. When the next gen update released I could buy it for 20 euro relail and wait a day for delivery of the physical copy. Or spend 25 euro and get the digital copy that same night. I got the digital copy because I wasn't patient. The DLC also cost 25. I recently wanted to buy cyberpunk for pc/steam. It's 60 euros for the base game on steam. On sale it's like 40. On PSN it's even worse, it's like 70 euro without the dlc.
Solved this by not gaming for ten years and then buying all my games used for nothing and playing through the backlog, horizon on ps4 complete edition cost £4 …
Helldivers 2 was my last purchase on any Sony crap and the amount of headaches it gave me is almost offsetting the fun i had with the game... another one i crossed from my buy game list, the list just grows longer and longer.
For Steam mandatory PSN account creation, the thing is the CEO is probably getting bonus from the MAU KPI growth..so you know probably the reasons of these shitty decisions on Steam for instance
Great breakdown of the reasons behind the shift. It's defenitly a balancing act when it cones to price vs quality. In an economy post pandemic though, not having sales basically shifts a lot of people onto smaller budget titles and narketplaces that accommodate that. I am torn between wanting good developers to recieve funding and support to avoid failures like Days Gone but not having rushed, buggy messes shipped out at full price and then never seeing a drop in pricing over time.
What i find so stupid with Nintendo is that if I were to buy a digital copy of Breath Of The Wild it will cost me £59.99 yet I can go to Ebay and pick up a 2nd hand physical copy for around £30. Why would anyone with any sense buy the full price digital copy. They're surely missing out on potential sales because of their insistence on not discounting older titles.
Wanting to play it without keeping track of a cartridge, wanting it instantly, or not liking the hassle of secondhand. Sure they're definitely losing sales but they wouldn't do this if they weren't still benefitting from it.
Sony thinking they can be like nintendo is hilarious, nintendo barely gets away with it because they are unique, sony makes movies with quicktime events
One of the reasons I totally refuse consoles (well, the fact that I can''t use a controller for s**t helps, too :P ), is the pricing of the games... And have been since the NES-era...
what games does playstation even have? Stellar Blade and Astrobot? Is that really worth paying $1,000? I own every other sony system btw (including handhelds)
One imagines that this may push them towards all 1st party games being day and date on PC, but even then I won't buy the PC versions at full price because I. Am. Not. Paying. $90Cdn for a videogame.
Sony could never follow the path of Ninte do. Love them or hate them, but Nintendo's IP can back it up. None of Sony's franchise comes close the Zelda or Mario's Legacy. ( I love Sony, but Big N had 10 years to establish legacies. )
I used to buy my friends Dark Souls 3 when it was on sale on steam for 8 bucks but they changed the price upto 60 and it never goes on sale for anything reasonable anymore. price gouging kills games. Silent Hill 2 remake only 22k players on steam
I don't know. There were loads covering this when it happened on Sept 26th and even a news channel I follow that has daily videos covered this 12 days ago. Little late to the party here mate.
As someone who recently played Horizon: Zero Down Complete Edition, what does the remaster even get you? It holds up great, but (or maybe because of that) I can't imagine any reason I would buy a remaster.
The biggest difference between Sony and Nintendo is the fact that YOU WILL NOT find a Nintendo game on any other platform. Flat out that changes the dynamic. If Sony switches and will only release their games via their console then they can absolutely do what Nintendo does, but so long as they release their games on other platforms they won't be able to have a complete monopoly unless they do some dirty anti-consumer practices. How much are they okay with their reputation being hit? Nintendo plays that same game. Look at their lawsuit against Palworld for Patent Infringement. Nintendo will take a huge hit in reputation but they are totally okay with it because they know it won't last.
I really hope Microsoft doesn't let the Xbox brand because we need competition to keep Sony in check in the console race. Sure Nintendo is still here but it's kinda doing its own thing. There's also the PC and mobile games market too. Xbox and PC are Sony's biggest rivals in the mid to higher end gaming market share.
And here I though Mr. Bean-Counter Ryan was the worst Sony had to offer. Never doubt the lengths a corporation will go to screw their audience. I abandoned Sony at PS5 launch and every news after that just confirms that was the best decision I could have made even though an expensive one. And they are making it look cheaper and cheaper with every new action they take
why would anyone buy this? theres enough used copies floating around on ebay an facebook for like $15 to go around. this game isn't that great. its a pretty average story
@donjames5761 yeah honestly, I don't think this really matters. HZD was literally free on PS+. This is like a collectors item for anyone who wants it, they're not gatekeeping the game.
From a macroeconomic standpoint, we’re in a world that does not hedge to the law of supply and demand. The USSR in the 1980s didn’t do that either, now it no longer exists.
No the reason the ussr doesnt exist is because Stalin died before a good successor was found leading to the weak-minded revisionist Khruschev and the capitalist puppet Gorbachev selling all of the gains that the workers made under the soviet union to western corporations.
So, long term this isn't going to work. Nintendo can only get away with their pricing, because they have the better part of half a century of built up consistent good will and a low price tag for entry. It's the razor to razor-blades model. Sony, does have a long history, but it's not as long, the good will isn't as consistent, and they've already burnt a lot of that good will in recent history. Plus they don't have that low barrier to entry. Sony also doesn't have enough recent properties that would make good movies and television shows. Horizon was never a hugely popular franchise. They've already wasted Uncharted. And the Last of Us has likely already peaked in terms of popularity. That leaves God of War and Ghost of Tsushima, and that's just not a deep enough bench to keep a movie/tv strategy going for very long.
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I'm not sure why you refer to GOG as selling "game keys" as if it's a key reseller, when GOG is its own storefront like steam or epic. Their copies aren't limited. It's just the full game you can buy.
Ah, yes. The Concord tax.
I used to buy a few dozen NEW games per year. Not so much anymore, as I now wait for a sale for 99% of my games before even considering a purchase. When a great new game comes out I Wishlist it and move on.
This is what you should do. The only reason I break that rule is if I want to support the company
@@johndawn6951
This, but I don't think I'm ever doing that again tbh. I trust none of them now.
Smart.
This is the way
You might also not be in your teens and not have that amount of free time anymore 😅
As someone who has always been a PS fanboy since the PS1 era, Sony started to lost me back in the mid PS4 era and now, completely lost me in the PS5 era. There is NO reason to have Horizon ZD remastered. The original still looks good for today's standard.
This was my thought. The game isn't old enough to justify a remaster, the graphics still look excellent
Looks good and runs on anything. They have to fix that and make it run poorly on anything else than most expensive hardware!
@@kylebaryonyx9478 it also already has NG+, so even less reason for a remaster
They need to make up for that half billion they wasted on Concord
I mean if nobody is buying it at £10, then they aren't going to pay £40, just because it looks a tiny bit better. The game is 7 years old and worth £10.
Idk i paid $12 on steam for it and still felt it was worth the money. 😂
I got the PC game for free on PC 2 years ago and it was a fucking disaster at launch
I mean wube never go sales and Factorio definitely cost it price
@@Callingcascade Me, too!! Got it in a Steam sale, and less than 24 hrs later they announced the remaster. Yeeess.
@@erfarkrasnobay?
Sony just doesn't get the pc audience. Hard to mod games, shifty sale practices, required psn accounts. Whats next?
Releasing only on their own store?
Big companies have a worrying tendency of not learning from each other mistakes.
They haven't figured out DRM yet either... Everything is cracked on Day 1.
I honestly think Sony exists in this quantum state where, on the one hand, they acknowledge the importance of the PC market and actively pursue it, and then on the other where they seemingly disregard its existence so therefore don't understand the platform or its audience's practises
our souls?
They are holding Bloodborne hostage at this point, like why even have exclusives anymore? All it does in the modern day is limit the overall potential customer base, the Helldivers PSN Account diabolical is proof enough of how it’s more a negative impact, heck even if they don’t try putting something like Zero Dawn on Xbox or Switch, but putting work on functional PC ports that don’t require you giving your mothers maiden name to Sony, it could help hold up that oh so important bottom line, lastly imagine if Eldin Ring was an Xbox Exclusive? I doubt everyone with a PlayStation would buy an Xbox or even consider it, as good as that game is
this is why copyright needs put back to 10 years. they excused the extensions on teh premise that copywrong is needed to protect innovation, but this just proves that copywrong is activly halting innovation.
copyright laws are ridiculous. The CREATORS of the content DON'T own the copyrights for their work. Some loser publishers usually steal copyrights and patents from the content creators. Now THAT is the real piracy. Copyright laws need to be reforms entirely to protect creator ownership or be gotten rid of completely.
"Aggressive pricing". The PS5 Pro price in New Zealand is $1378. No disc drive. No stand. For comparison to the US market, that's approximately double the price/purchasing power per dollar ratio. The cost benefit analysis of games has to include a portion of the console cost, and for Kiwis, Playstation are so far beyond not worth it. Just wait for the game to be on PC. Patience is free.
Damn, you guys have it worse than UK (and it still stings over here)
that is wild. ps5 has turned into a vanity/luxury item.
Yep NZ here myself, my wife and I got PCs built and for the high cost of entry we are secure in our PCs outlasting consoles and with the many deep sales through steam for all my games its just more affordable longterm and with the extra stuff of my PC being useful for things other then games and getting to play games with some fucked up mods is all the better.
@@BellularNews It's pretty egregious when you take purchasing power of our currencies into account. The PS5 Pro isn't worth the price regardless of location. Add the cost of the games themselves and the cost of accessing multiplayer on the PlayStation network it's simply better value to switch to PC.
@@Halcyon_games Not gonna lie the "Capybara Island" mod for Elden Ring may have been a factor in my decision. 😂😂😂
Maybe Sony should start caring about their audience's dissatisfaction. They're losing exclusives that they've had for over a decade (Atlus's Persona, Square Enix's Final Fantasy). And just speaking from personal experience, this is the first generation I've skipped the new Playstation (I had bought every one from PS2 forward).
Playstation believes they're the Apple for Gaming, they should look at the Iphone 16 underwhelming launch sales figures...you can't always stay at your prime (ask Nokia and Blackberry and Sega...)
Xbox is no competition
@leonhart7306 I'm in a similar boat. I bought a PS5 while waiting for FF16 and FF7 Rebirth. If both titles had launched on PC day one, I would've bought them there. Some of Sony's first party stuff has been great this generation, but it's been too few and far in between.
Frankly, if i look at majority of games for PS5, there is NOTHING there. Most of them look good. That´s it. Stories are very bad, lots of QTE events, and the "player" spends most of his "gametime" watching cutscenes. And you only get few releases per year, until they will be done with this gen and move on to "next gen".
Meanwhile, if you look at PS2, the amount of games and their quality, it´s as if it were made by different company.
the only real competition PS5 has is PS4
Companies got so delusional and greedy to think the best way to make more money is to make their own products hostages that we will have to pay more to have access to, instead of providing more value with new and better games.
No thanks, PC is looking better and better, and I'm not talking about Steam or AAAs. We're truly living a new industry crash
They even raised the price of the upgrade. When first available, it was £9, now it's £10. They seemingly can't help themselves, much like Nintendo.
When space marine 2 came out a friend wanted to buy the game, on steam it was at 40 something buck, then he saw the price listed on ps5 and the game was 70bucks 30 dollar. Increase just for being on playstation and if you wanted to play online he needed to buy ps plus
SM1 used to be deep discounted, because age. When SM2 was announced, they deleted the original and replaced it with a 'complete edition' at a new-ish release price.
All I've learned in this video is how utterly disconnected I am from the AAA industry. Let Sony do whatever they want. I have more fun with Indie games anyway. Pale Beyond has been a blast.
All three new games I've bought this year have been indies, and I just backed My Time at Evershine's Kickstarter. If all I had to play was AAA slop, I'd have found a new hobby by now.
Sony will care when they see us all playing Bloodborne on our PCs via the emulation mod.
Naw I'm waiting on the Sony Lawyers to swoop in
@@roboticgentlemen1970 at least we know Sony has second rate lawyers. Nintendo pays for all the best ones.
@@roboticgentlemen1970 start demanding copywong law is rolled back on account of activly halting innovation when it was expanded under teh excuse of protecting innovation.
I will never understand people throwing money at "digital deluxe" versions. However, according to the CI Games 2025-2028 Strategy Report a whooping 47% bought the digital deluxe version of Lords of the Fallen! I have a feeling old Sony will get away with this price hike.
Here's a tip; Don't bother with the H:ZD remaster if you own the game already.
It looks just fine already.
Tip 2: Don´t bother with HZD, if you already finished it. Due to its linearity, it´s not worth replaying.
Unless you have a bad memory ofc. Mine is so good i´m cursed to only play each game once. On 2nd playthrough i already know the story well enough to be bored out of my mind.
Lemme guess... Sony is trying to make its clients pay the Concord tax.
Couldn't care less. With the shift to digital, no mod support, and lack of backwards compatibility, the only thing consoles have to offer is rumble functionality, which was pretty much nonexistent on the PS4. I'm out.
I bought a used copy of horizon for the ps4 for about 7 bucks. I can play this game too, Sony
For now. You won't be able with the PS6. Since they're Pushing full Digital.
At that point I guess it'll be back to youtube walk-through for me, 😁I just don't buy digital games, not even on steam😅
I just don't really give a damn about Sony. There's been little to no reason for me to buy any of the games mentioned. Used to like their games and consoles when I was younger but everyone I know has moved on from it.
They are too creatively bankrupt to actually create a new game instead of remastering old ones or copying already saturated formulas.
What I don't understand is why games like spiderman 2 cost so much to make. I understand inflation plays a role but surely it can't be just that.
Ineffective bloat, is my belief. The more cooks you have in the kitchen the more difficult it is to cook the meal. I believe that there is so much work either being thrown away, being slowed down, or simply not happening because the very act of having hundreds of people doing one thing is that they step on each others toes. You literally pay managers to manage managers. This just makes things take longer. That and they keep "remaking" systems rather than reusing them. That little bottle in the trash no one sees still had to be modeled, and that modeler makes 150k a year, to make bottles you dont notice are assets in the game. There's so much superfluous money bleed from "make it look good" that so much of the work doesn't actually contribute to the games experience as a whole.
Because Sony only wants "Hollywood blockbuster" games and also seems to over pay people that don't know what they are doing so that they have to hire another company to finish just to meet deadlines.
Even adjusted for inflation, every game that's been my personal Game of the Year since 2012 COMBINED cost less to make than one AAA blockbuster costs to make today.
(Crusader Kings 2, Papers Please, Banished, Cities Skylines, Stardew Valley, Doki Doki Literature Club, Rimworld, Dawn of Man, Super Mega Baseball 3, Medieval Dynasty, Tactics Ogre Reborn, and My Time at Sandrock, respectively, FWIW. All indie or AA titles. The last AAA game to be my GOTY was Skyrim in 2011.)
Why choose between quality and quantity when if you look in the right places you can have both?
Graphics. Realistic is expensive.
Would not call Ragnarok with ~35K player peak "recovered".
Sony was learning from Bethesda, who is the pioneer in re-releasing the same game over & over again with minimum changes. HZD is generally not worth more than single playthrough due to its linearity, so anyone who already played it, will very likely not play it again.
Funny thing is i bought Horizon Zero Dawn for like $13 during a Steam. I havent finished it because i find the characters, including Aloy really boring.
it looks like slop and the female MC looks very mid
I wouldnt call it slop or mid just very boring interms of writing. Millennial writing is what i call it. Super safe and not really taking risks. @funicon3689
Same! Got it a few months back and have practically been forcing myself to play it 😂
@@IzzeTim I can't even force myself to play it. However it certainly has been taking up space on my SSD for like 6 months. 😐
Aloy is one of the most boring video game protagonists ever made IMO. And I don't remember any of the other characters aside from Rost.
"Sales on PC are a race to the bottom."
Unless you're Factorio.
@@SimuLord our swedish overlords know they are selling digital crack so why bother
I paid $25 for Factorio and got a few thousand hours out of it. It's not too big a deal to pay $35 or even $50.
@@alaeriia01 The only reason I haven't bought it is because, and this is a good problem to have, I have too many time-sink games already and I couldn't really get the most out of it unless I quit my job. And I like things like a full stomach and a warm, safe bed to sleep in at night, and so does my cat.
I am a huge Insomniac fan, especially their Spider-Man games, but I cannot for the life of me see how they managed to spend all that money for Spider-Man 2. Yes, it's an amazing game, yes it has a lot of great cinematics, mocap, voice-acting, etc. But it also has so many reused assets and technology from the previous 2 games. Where did they spend all that money?!
To Marvel in part
Bad remaster. Didn't include Nicocados' weight loss.
And.... that's why you buy a gaming PC. It was already a losing battle to argue that a console is a better option but it's just getting worse and worse....
4:40 last I checked it was 180, so like 1/3 of the world.
Well Sony enjoy not having my money.
I Never changed my Review the last time they changed this crap.
Doesn't seem like CDPR has a problem, seems like they just didn't try to gouge their customers. That's a weird take you have on it.
Well, Ghost of Tsushima was the last Sony's game I've bought, and I have no intentions of buying any new one in the future.
nintendo also has a fraction of the developers that sony have and always focus on the core of the games and not extra's
Sony is doing a speedrun on losing respect from the public
"lol" is about all I can muster.
They've all been doing it, not just sony. Newer games have been horrible and older games have been outselling newer games for YEARS! This is why they just started removing games from shelves and why it's imperative to keep physical media alive!
The funny part for me is I only bought Ghost of Tsushima when I learned I could play it without connecting a PSN account. I won't be touching any other Sony games. I also haven't touched Nintendo because they're just too expensive. The lack of any sales turns me off, especially when I primarily play PC and can get a couple of really good indie titles for the same price (and support indie developers at the same time). The price of the remakes also turned me heavily off. I was super interested in Thousand Year Door...until I saw the price and knew they would never lower it. I have enough trouble remembering and setting aside time to play my switch when I had games I was interested in but with my steam backlog, it's not worth it to me.
So, isn't "innovating on pricing strategy" just a euphemism for "gouge your customers Nintendo-style?"
Name a single consumer friendly thing Sony or Nintendo have done in recent years? I can't think of one, certainly not when compared to what MS has done! People need to demand better, and if people would call out Sony and Nintendo as loudly as they do Microsoft, maybe they would...
Somethings gotta pay for Concord
"Why Sony needs money?"
Concord $400mil in the red.
People have been asking Bloodborne for years, Sony gave you Concord, and last of us 2 remake, and zero dawn remake
I hope sony follows the footsteps of ubi, all the way to bankruptcy. Sony is pretty big so it'll take a long time of scummy business practices and demolishing games by shoehorning as much monetization as they can while they fight it, and won't likely happen. But i can hope.
This is common practice. Happens all the time. No one is getting in trouble.
Price gouging is gonna keep happening as long as people are gonna be greedy. Unless those companies spread the wealth, the gaming industry economy is gonna tank. We’ve seen the “micro” transactions and if those weren’t a sign of what was to com; the future is looking bleak. Sony, nintendo, and pc companies like blizzard all have histories of being overly greedy and sneaky.
Can’t say much about Xbox since I don’t have one nor do I have an interest in getting one
I am very happy I bought the original version of Zero Dawn on GOG before the take-down. The Sequel, does not seem to need PSN... yet. though it is a worry, and I want to pick up that game as well. A Steam Login is not as bad as having both Steam & PSN which is two points of failure should one of them go down. PSN also does not have a good track record with security. I fell like I should buy it before they do something scummy like this by either "remastering it" and removing the original... or adding PSN to the main download...
And it’s not even a sale it’s a long term rental.
Yep, Digital Media has no ownership.
My guess would be that SSBU has to pay all the additional licence costs that make going on sale unfeasible.
But that's just a guess.
It makes no sense that it has never been on sale on the eshop.
I have to say that Square Enix still keeps their old Final Fantasy games at around 1/4 of a brazilian minimum wage, its borderline madness to expect anyone not just too rich to even care about prices to buy it, I hope people will simply opt to not purchase overpriced games, make companies understand that bigger isnt always better.
I feel like I'm one of the few principled gamers. I refuse to buy games from companies that treat the players like trash
Sony is doing tick damage to their brand. Hubris has destroyed empires.
The issue with sony shifting to a blue ocean strategy is that their games DO have competiton on the high end market, and to succesfully defeat those competiitors they need to spend exponentially more money for minor gains. Once they start to hit that wall and other competitors challenge their reign, its gonna be difficult to keep pricing from becoming far more expensive, and decreasing market share. Already they are limiting themselves to a few countries with PSN, and making it worse with their price exclusivity and lack of regional models. I dont think this will be sustainable in the long run honestly
I went from "I'll buy it at a discount" to "yarrr matey"
Only time I support price hikes is to offset additional development time to make a more complete experience, especially considering how the $40-60 price point got gutted by inflation.
For example, if nintendo decided to make a new pokemon game with multiple regions and a complete national dex, I would easily swallow $150+ and consider it a more worthwhile purchase than a standard pokemon game with cut content to keep the price at usual levels.
Aren't all msrp prices sorta artificial at some point no matter what its set at? Especially after recouping costs on a digital product.
Weirdly, my GOG copy of HZD doesn't have a store page anymore. There *is* an HZD page, but it's not connected to my game.
Its not the customers job to pay for your big companies incapabilities.
kinda funny how acts like these make me go from "hm i might pirate this because im poor" to "oh if i ever want to play it I will def pirate it, they are not getting a penny."
Nintendo is so successful and doesn't need to discount their games for two reasons:
First, they DON'T pour millions into graphics, graphics, graphics. Nintendo games are just plain fun, they don't need to be bleeding edge.
Second, they actually use most of their IPs. We get new Marios, Zeldas, Metroids, and more on the regular.
When was the last time Sony did something meaningful with Legend of Dragoon? They own it. They don't use it.
I just wish that there were cost breakdowns when they say a game costs that much. How much of that is marketing? How much of that is outside consulting firms? How much of that is executive bonuses? How much of that is artificially inflated costs, such as factoring in licensing IP that is owned by the parent company?
I've read many articles about voice actors, mo-cap actors etc. struggling to get fair wages, junior and even senior devs getting hired for salary work so they don't have to be paid overtime wages for the crunch, post-launch layoffs and so on, and I'm having a hard time squaring that with ballooning costs to make these games. Especially when you read about indie devs making superior games on a shoe string budget.
cyberpunk was selling for as low as 11 euro. When the next gen update released I could buy it for 20 euro relail and wait a day for delivery of the physical copy. Or spend 25 euro and get the digital copy that same night. I got the digital copy because I wasn't patient. The DLC also cost 25. I recently wanted to buy cyberpunk for pc/steam. It's 60 euros for the base game on steam. On sale it's like 40. On PSN it's even worse, it's like 70 euro without the dlc.
i often have to wait for a sale as i either break even with bills and card payments or have overdrafts. so buying games really isnt a priority
Shareholders expect growth!
If it's artificial or not it's not their concern, they'll get even more rich either way..
Solved this by not gaming for ten years and then buying all my games used for nothing and playing through the backlog, horizon on ps4 complete edition cost £4 …
Answer to Sony's tactic... just pirate the games.
Helldivers 2 was my last purchase on any Sony crap and the amount of headaches it gave me is almost offsetting the fun i had with the game... another one i crossed from my buy game list, the list just grows longer and longer.
For Steam mandatory PSN account creation, the thing is the CEO is probably getting bonus from the MAU KPI growth..so you know probably the reasons of these shitty decisions on Steam for instance
Also selling your data
"Must. Maximize. Shareholder. Value." Sorry Sony, but I'm going to have to get used to not owning any of YOUR games.
That is a massive power bank!
Great breakdown of the reasons behind the shift. It's defenitly a balancing act when it cones to price vs quality. In an economy post pandemic though, not having sales basically shifts a lot of people onto smaller budget titles and narketplaces that accommodate that. I am torn between wanting good developers to recieve funding and support to avoid failures like Days Gone but not having rushed, buggy messes shipped out at full price and then never seeing a drop in pricing over time.
What i find so stupid with Nintendo is that if I were to buy a digital copy of Breath Of The Wild it will cost me £59.99 yet I can go to Ebay and pick up a 2nd hand physical copy for around £30. Why would anyone with any sense buy the full price digital copy. They're surely missing out on potential sales because of their insistence on not discounting older titles.
Wanting to play it without keeping track of a cartridge, wanting it instantly, or not liking the hassle of secondhand. Sure they're definitely losing sales but they wouldn't do this if they weren't still benefitting from it.
By “ aggressive pricing” you mean not consumer friendly.
Sony thinking they can be like nintendo is hilarious, nintendo barely gets away with it because they are unique, sony makes movies with quicktime events
"Let's launch our game with suboptimal graphics and then in a few years sell the remastered version at 50% price hike.
One of the reasons I totally refuse consoles (well, the fact that I can''t use a controller for s**t helps, too :P ), is the pricing of the games... And have been since the NES-era...
what games does playstation even have? Stellar Blade and Astrobot? Is that really worth paying $1,000?
I own every other sony system btw (including handhelds)
this is all their own fault for consistently pushing fidelity over everything else. this is what you get when you budget for graphics over substance
I solved this problem for myself by not having a PlayStation. (Or caring about their brand of generic action adventure games at all.)
One imagines that this may push them towards all 1st party games being day and date on PC, but even then I won't buy the PC versions at full price because I. Am. Not. Paying. $90Cdn for a videogame.
Gonna have to get used to not owning any more Sony games as well
Sony could never follow the path of Ninte do. Love them or hate them, but Nintendo's IP can back it up. None of Sony's franchise comes close the Zelda or Mario's Legacy. ( I love Sony, but Big N had 10 years to establish legacies. )
I used to buy my friends Dark Souls 3 when it was on sale on steam for 8 bucks but they changed the price upto 60 and it never goes on sale for anything reasonable anymore. price gouging kills games. Silent Hill 2 remake only 22k players on steam
I don't know. There were loads covering this when it happened on Sept 26th and even a news channel I follow that has daily videos covered this 12 days ago. Little late to the party here mate.
As someone who recently played Horizon: Zero Down Complete Edition, what does the remaster even get you? It holds up great, but (or maybe because of that) I can't imagine any reason I would buy a remaster.
The biggest difference between Sony and Nintendo is the fact that YOU WILL NOT find a Nintendo game on any other platform. Flat out that changes the dynamic. If Sony switches and will only release their games via their console then they can absolutely do what Nintendo does, but so long as they release their games on other platforms they won't be able to have a complete monopoly unless they do some dirty anti-consumer practices. How much are they okay with their reputation being hit? Nintendo plays that same game. Look at their lawsuit against Palworld for Patent Infringement. Nintendo will take a huge hit in reputation but they are totally okay with it because they know it won't last.
Thought this was a news channel.
Bro is legit reporting the status quo.
Sony will see a 25% sales collapse of their games before Tariffs kick in next year against Japan by the USA.
Most new PlayStation games aren’t worth buying.
I still want my refund of all that Playstation Home houses, clothes, and dogs.
I really hope Microsoft doesn't let the Xbox brand because we need competition to keep Sony in check in the console race. Sure Nintendo is still here but it's kinda doing its own thing. There's also the PC and mobile games market too. Xbox and PC are Sony's biggest rivals in the mid to higher end gaming market share.
And here I though Mr. Bean-Counter Ryan was the worst Sony had to offer. Never doubt the lengths a corporation will go to screw their audience.
I abandoned Sony at PS5 launch and every news after that just confirms that was the best decision I could have made even though an expensive one. And they are making it look cheaper and cheaper with every new action they take
why would anyone buy this? theres enough used copies floating around on ebay an facebook for like $15 to go around. this game isn't that great. its a pretty average story
@donjames5761 yeah honestly, I don't think this really matters. HZD was literally free on PS+. This is like a collectors item for anyone who wants it, they're not gatekeeping the game.
SO, they removed Horizon Zero Dawn™ Complete Edition from Steam? At least they didn't remove the copy in my library.
From a macroeconomic standpoint, we’re in a world that does not hedge to the law of supply and demand. The USSR in the 1980s didn’t do that either, now it no longer exists.
No the reason the ussr doesnt exist is because Stalin died before a good successor was found leading to the weak-minded revisionist Khruschev and the capitalist puppet Gorbachev selling all of the gains that the workers made under the soviet union to western corporations.
I think the USSR had a few more issues than that lol.
I still don't understand why people still buy consoles. Consoles were breakthrough and amazing when they came out. Now they're just regressive.
Is astroboy just a crash bandicot but skinned as playstation merch?
gotta recoup the big flop concord was somehow.
Id love a 300w power banks for my laptop.
So, long term this isn't going to work.
Nintendo can only get away with their pricing, because they have the better part of half a century of built up consistent good will and a low price tag for entry. It's the razor to razor-blades model.
Sony, does have a long history, but it's not as long, the good will isn't as consistent, and they've already burnt a lot of that good will in recent history. Plus they don't have that low barrier to entry.
Sony also doesn't have enough recent properties that would make good movies and television shows. Horizon was never a hugely popular franchise. They've already wasted Uncharted. And the Last of Us has likely already peaked in terms of popularity. That leaves God of War and Ghost of Tsushima, and that's just not a deep enough bench to keep a movie/tv strategy going for very long.