I used TCC when I first learned to program. The only computer I had was a 3 year old netbook with a horrible 2 core Atom and 1GB of RAM. This was in the summer of 2012 probably. Visual Studio didn’t run on it, Cygwin didn’t run on it. TCC helped me overcome the performance issues.
I setup a KVM with GPU passthrough for Windows gaming a couple weeks ago, and the performance is absolutely wild. Everything works perfectly, native performance, and games are incredibly smooth.
Do you have a single GPU? What resource did you use to set it up? I was interested in this GPU passthrough, but am running a gtx 950, so probably not strong enough..
@@justsomenamelesssoul8097 GitHub is owned by Microsoft, and they don't take down the cracking script. 🤔 Maybe they prefer you to use pirated Windows than alternatives?
I don't own a desktop. I've never run Linux or anything other than Windows. Basically 99.9% of your content goes over my head, but I can't stop watching your videos. Keep it up, man!
Ha ha, that's how we getcha! If you ever find an old pc, you can bring it back to life without worrying too much about bricking it. That way, you can safely tinker with linux and learn how it's put together.
@@Sunnywastakentoo And it ends when you try to use Linux for the first time, and the toxic wasteland that Linux calls a "community" tries to force the terminal down your throat at every turn: even when there are GUI solutions available.
also for anyone curious, the reason why the performance is so much better on qemu kvm than virtualbox, it's because virtualbox run virtualization on software level, while qemu kvm on kernel level, so it's like the reason why in programming language C is much faster than python, kinda like that
VMM does almost no work, same to libvirt. They do only calls and creation and modification of vms, nothing more. Everything else is in qemu (calls to run vms on kvm and drivers) and KVM
That's not entirely accurate. There are two pieces of software you think of when you hear virtual box. There's Oracle Virtual Box and there's an open source Virtual Box. Both are generally at parity with each other but the open source variant can be used directly with a hypervisor, zen or kvm configuration for full hardware instancing. A couple years ago I abused that to no end to create sandboxed VMs for video games instead of using wine/proton, as in no desktop or taskbar, just explorer.exe and supporting infrastructure (like drivers) allowed to run in the vm. Worked extremely well, only stopped because proton and wine have got really freaking good over the last couple years.
Heads up to people trying to do performance comparisons: just having KVM or HyperV installed will tank the performance of VirtualBox or VMware Workstation, even if you're not actively using them.
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Sort of, and sort of not. There are both KVM enabled and non-enabled versions of the kernel in nearly every distribution. @Miigon Yes, HyperV and KVM monopolize VT-x. Microsoft supposedly has a workaround with HyperV and VMware, but it only recovers about half of the penalty.
@@buckeyefan9746 If you have Hyper-V or KVM installed, they're running by default all the time. They're not programs you run like VirtualBox or VMWare, they're different versions of the kernel. I'm not exactly sure of the architecture of these 2, but with Xen your "host" OS was also virtualized, but with special admin permissions.
Keep in mind the instructions for starting the service and editing that config file don't apply if you use systemd (which is the default on basically every popular Linux OS). You need to do "systemctl enable --now libvirtd" (this both starts and enables the service). You don't need to edit the config file at all. Also you may need to change some bios settings to enable virtualization, on an AMD board all of these should be enabled: SVM - Enabled Iommu - Enabled AES - Enabled AER Cap - Enabled That's required for GPU passthrough. Also note GPU passthrough is a huge pain-in-the-ass if you only have one GPU.
A very underrated featue of virt-manager is to access remote VM's. Setting up a headless hypervisor in your homelab is quite comfy, and was my reason for switching from VirtualBox.
oh. nice, been pondering this for a while. Can I run a desktop with low-moderate memory (ie 16GB) and run test VMs a box elsewhere with more memory. Appears possible with vbox, but clunky.
"A _little bit_ of RAM." *[Casually drops in more RAM than most people have on their entire computer]* Actually... 16 threads + 32GB RAM _is_ my entire current computer. And even that is leagues ahead of every previous computer I've ever owned. I've been screwing around with PCem recently, which has reminded me of what things were like when I was a kid, such as having to use every trick in the book to push running applications into the upper and extended memory (where most of your truly enormous 4MB or possibly even 8MB of RAM resides), to free up every single kilobyte you possibly can of DOS's precious 640KB of conventional memory so that your games could run. After fighting tooth and nail to liberate those precious 60-or-so KB to stay above the 600KB threshold (using a mere 40KB to run the core of the OS), it really puts into perspective just how insanely far things have come. Imagine telling someone in 1993 - when RAM was $30+ per _MB_ - that a person's single, average-tower-sized PC would have literally 5.5 _MILLION_ dollars worth of RAM in it.
As much as I would love to use Qemu, I'm afraid to say from experience that it is only worth using if you a) don't care about graphics performance or b) have a second GPU to passthrough The reality is that Qemu occupies both places of best and worst virtualization stacks for graphics performance. If you pass through a real GPU to Qemu, it can blow its competition out of the water and get you graphics performance that can rival bare metal. However, if you, like me, do not have a second GPU, one of your only options is to use QXL which is like a virtual GPU. Unfortunately, QXL's graphics performance is absolutely pathetic as it lags even when you drag program windows around the desktop, to say nothing of its nonexistent 3D acceleration. It is literally eons worse than even virtualbox, which itself is eons worse than vmware's 3D acceleration. I am aware that there is one other option besides QXL and that is single GPU passthrough. However I do not even consider that an option because you won't be able to use the host OS while the VM is running. There is also another caveat which is that setting up shared folders is much more manual with Qemu than either virtualbox or vmware. Personally I wouldn't mind this if it meant I could get better graphics performance, but as it stands now it is only the icing on the turd cake of my experience. I WANT to use Qemu, but only virtualbox or vmware can provide me with bearable desktop performance at the moment.
It is surprising that one GPU cannot be used by more than one system at the time. Like, really really bad design. Usually you need to have your main GPU available on the host as well, it would be silly otherwise.
@@HyperMario64 Right, thanks for reminding me. I forgot to mention that there is a 3rd option available only to Nvidia users - VGPU unlocker. It enables splitting the GPU cores on consumer-grade GPUs like Geforce like you would split CPU cores and share only part of them to the VM. This is normally only allowed on datacenter-grade Nvidia GPUs because Nvidia (sincerely **** them) want you to buy their more expensive GPUs which do not have this software limitation. VGPU unlocker allows you to use this feature on normal GPUs as well. This works only on a subset of consumer-grade Nvidia GPUs and mine is not one of them unfortunately.
for anyone following this tutorial as of 2024 on arch: the qemu package doesn't exist anymore. it will ask you to pick between qemu-base, qemu-desktop or qemu-full. pick qemu-desktop or qemu-full as they include spice. if you pick qemu-base, vga virtio will not work.
Newest versions of linux kernel disable the KVM virtualization for security reasons. If you see the following line in the result of l"scpu" : Vulnerabilities: Itlb multihit: KVM: Mitigation: VMX disabled then chances are KVM will not work on your PC. Edit: link to kernel doc: www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/hw-vuln/multihit.html
You can use Samba to create a network based fileshare, and even access files from your phone or tablet (granted they have apps that support SMB/CIFS protocol) that virt-manager can access pretty easily
The option to share host folders is in the +Add Hardware menu. I just discovered it today, and I don't remember seeing it before, so it might be new, and I haven't checked to see if it's sharable between multiple VMs at the same time.
@@navaneeth6157 yes. I haven't tested this yet as I have a new system and I'm lazy, but you'll need to have your shared folder on the host as the source path, a made-up label as the target path, and you'll need to load these modules {loop,virtio,9p,9pnet,9pnet_virtio} onto the guest with modprobe. Afterwards, you use # mount [targetlabel] /path/to/place/shared/folder - t 9p -o trans=virtio to be able to place the folder where you want on the guest. Plan 9 is an old remote file system protocol from what I've read, but it should do the job. Unfortunately it's not one-click like virtualbox (and originally it thought it was, which was why I posted it) so if you need that functionality (as well as connecting to Windows guests) you'd be better off finding a libvirt samba tutorial. Or just use what works.
Dead simple bridge networking is why I have always chosen VirtualBox over KVM. With VirtualBox, bridge networking is a couple mouse clicks. With KVM, unless things have changed, it was a massive gauntlet of system configuration changes and networking tweaks that were all but guaranteed to make a system stop working. I really, Really, REALLY want to ditch VirtualBox, but its incredibly easy bridge networking is why I stay with it.
I wish in future video you guide how to passthrough hardware to the VM. I'm still have hard time to understand the procedure for passing through the hardware. Thanks for the great video
Well, to do that you need to do something call gpu passthrough, to pass your gpu to the vm. Is very interesting, but seems to require some virt manager knowledge.
This was what I swapped to when I went with my home server a while ago and got tired of dealing with VMWare. Me and Oracle have never been best friends, so Virtualbox was never an option, and virt manager became a game changer when I tried it. It has built in QEMU management over SSH, meaning you can easily get at it from anywhere and not worry about any other security than your basic SSH. Only drawback to it is.... No Windows version of Virt manager exists, so this is one where I keep a Linux VM on my Windows machine just to do remote management.
Have you tried the recent updates to Windows Subsystem for Linux? it lets you natively use GUI apps without the old hacky solutions. I don't use Windows unless I absolutely have to, but I did use the WSL2 GUI for awhile and its half decent.
@@swarajya.55 It is the last gaming rig / desktop in the house... The rest have already left and gone to Linux or BSD, but some games aren't there yet and I do not have a spare AMD GPU to go and shove it into a VM (Trust me I really want to) As for the WSL2, I ran into a massive problem getting networking working with that, so I sort of abandoned it and is awaiting for some patches from Microsoft. As for X fowarding a window, I haven't looked into that for Windows, but it is tempting. Still though, that Windows box is very Linuxified, Cygwin is installed so I can SSH into it to fetch files when I am not home for an example. (Not exposed to the internet, I run my own VPN server on a BSD box for access.)
I had one and performance was pretty great, but man, getting files to and from the virtual machine was a PITA. VirtualBox's folder sharing is just too rich of a feature to get me to switch.
@@1yaz Because I don't really believe that anyone would sacrifice crap tons of performance.. Then claim they are doing that because a normal mapped drive, which is essentially the exact same thing from a user perspective as having files locally in your C:, is somehow a PITA. Drag/drop also creates copies of files, which is almost always less desirable than keeping your files in a central location and working on them from there. It's a user training / setup issue, not an actual real issue.
Just a heads up for those using Artix Linux with s6. You also have to manually add and start another service called "virtlogd" in order for this to work.
I have been using virtual machines for years now and never once did it occur to me that the awful performance in virtual box was NOT normal... I just assumed that virtualization was just rather intensive. Very excited to try out QEMU and transition some of my environments over!
What would the Debian equivalent of the package openbsd-netcat be? Wish there was just a meta-package for it all. EDIT: it appears to be called netcat-openbsd & on mainline/upstream Ubuntu at least is pre-installed w/ the OS. Also on Ubuntu, virt-viewer is just included as a dependency for when downloading virt-manager actually, that is assuming anyways --install-recommends is enabled by default on your particular fork's apt config.
I like QEMU, but it definitely needs a more streamlined install/configuration like VirtualBox to sway your average user into moving over. I also don't like how it has to modify your iptables in order to access the internet in VM's and bridged configurations (instead of NAT) are even more of a pain. Want to use UEFI BIOS for Win11...another layer of configuration/installs. VirtualBox is much more clean when it comes to installation/configuration, and unless you want a gaming VM or need to have the most secure VM, it's not really worth moving over. FOSS is the strongest selling point for QEMU imho.
It would be nice if there was a distro that just had this specifically already set up out of the box. Like, imagine a distro meet specifically for virtual machines to give you the absolute best possible performance by having the bare minimum operating system required to create a virtual machine. That could be really useful for something like twith streamers so that if something goes wrong, they can reboot the computer without stopping the stream.
Is there any advantage to using virtio over the default? Using the default I found the windows installed could detect the virtual disk just fine without needing any extra drivers.
One word of caution, having high framerates didn't equal to the responsivenes of the game. Had to either choose normal fps or not feeling the input lag. It was slight, but noticible, even though I tinkered with the cpu settings a lot. Might be a problem of having 7770k tho, since it has 4 cores 8 threads. Also tried limiting the processes on host to only one core, this might be a good trick for somebody looking to optimize performance, and it can easily be done with a simple bash script run by qemu on startup of the machine, and reversing its thing after shutdown. Had a blast setting it up, but the performance wasn't really there.
Yeah a gaming VM for multiplayer games at the moment isn’t super reliable due to the input lag and also anti cheat from time to time. Singleplayer games still work very well and the input lag isn’t a problem on most of them
@@akeem2983 most of them aren’t that punishing 95% of the time. The benefits of virtualization and not running windows natively outweighs getting fucked over by input lag in that one osu map that only players with carpal tunnel will play (only one I can see being a problem is if you play a bullet hell game and have to deal with the occasional pixel perfect bs)
@@battokizu I don't know exactly how it works, but osu works perfectly even through Wine, I think that full emulation also should'nt do anything with a game. There's also an Osu!lazer project, which is unfinished but already have most of the features for comfortable gameplay.
I followed some ordinary gamers gpu passthrough guide for qemu with a 3090 and i9-9900k setup and I'm never going back to even a dual boot setup. dual boot would always eventually break on me. this has been so much more stable and I'm loving it. can finally trash windows for good.
+1 intending to use this to completely replace my win 10 dualboot, i only need this for game modding tools and games in general i guess, i dont really wanna set up wine lol
I've been using it since I first heard of it because I totally despise Oracle. I have to say: it's simple, it's fast, it works and you're probably not losing much by using it. On the security level, choose an SELinux/AppArmor decently configured system and you're reasonably safe. If you're not really focusing on security, which usually is my case, GODDAMN JUST SWITCH TO IT.
for some reason, AppArour doens't work on any Debian installation I've had. Since Debian is considered a base distro, I find this odd. Never figured out how to fix it or reinstall it...or, just didn't try.
I've been using QEMU+libvirt for some months now, using virsh to create and manage headless machines. There's also quite good support for libvirt+Vagrant. Would be really nice to see a follow-up video on how to manage VMs with QEMU+libvirt from the terminal (i.e. w/o virt-manager). AFAIK you can create VMs from an XML with virsh or use virt-install, then you can manage them with virsh.
Those who want to use qemu for virtual machines with greater flexibility should try Proxmox... I use it as a workstation (KDE installed) with virtual machines running in the background, which allows me to deploy multiple servers or other Windows or Linux virtual machines that I can turn it on or off without having to reboot the system and getting the maximum performance from the hardware I have. Dell Precision T7600 2x Xeon E-2620, 64Gb RAM, 1ssd 480gb + 3hdd 512Gb + 1hdd 2Tb, Quadro k4000 3Gb VRAM.
I recently swapped to arch from windows, it rough for a bit but I’m learning more everyday got my qemu for some usb audio pass through to a windows vm. It’s been pretty great.
Thank you for evrything Mental Outlaw. You inspired me to follow an undergrad degree in system and network admnistration as an 28 year old. I really find it fun to use everything through the command line in linux. The fact that linux offer so much freedom and that with virtualisation, steamos and lutris linux gaming is today possible . This is an dream for a lot of poeple becoming reality. Ps. Do you plan to own an steamdeck in the future? i really want to hear your opinion about it or an video with ? :)
Great to see such hope & passion life reality making here 😃 Could you update your current scenario now? I am 25,BE CSE,Jobless (Tamilnadu,India),got some ideas & passion for life too Glad to see such people 😊 Wish all be well 😃🌟✨🙌 07.07.2023 09:43 pm ist 3rd like,1+ year ago comment
Using Virt-Manager with Ubuntu Virt-Manager is better these days when using VirtualBox some applications can tell you using VBox by searching if VBox is using the reserved memory addresses. Bios is better in Virt-Manger. I did have a couple of cow files go corrupt when the system was forced to close it never happened again but to solve that I just made a bash script that will keep backing my cow file up every so often.
I love QEMU/Virt Manager, but the only issue is that there is no way(as far as I know) to share files with my guest. And since I use VMs mainly to edit this kinda kills it for me.
Something something samba share, but I agree 100%. My Win VM guest is to do Win exclusive processing my Linux can't do (or do as well) and getting the data back and forth was difficult to say the least. VirtualBox's file sharings are just too nice of a feature for me to give it up just yet.
@@Biggestsonicfan The issue is even with somthing like samba. you have to upload the videos. which for me could range from 4-10gb videos. and then download them to the VM. hopfully one day a more easy way to file share on Virtmanager becomes a thing cuz I would love to switch over.
In the meantime we have seen games get a higher FPS with Proton (so wine and dxvk and all that) than on Windows. Eldenring and Apex Legends so far via Chris Titus Tech. CS:Go already performed equal or slightly better (3700X Linus Tech Tips) natively compared to Windows. Let's hope that soon we don't need PCIe-passthrough for gaming on Linux in any scenario, if a few games (Fortnite, PUBG and a few other games) stop blocking Linux-users.
QEMU -- another decent FOSS which fucked up by lack of competent GUI which would help it to be adopted by more people. It's like open source devs intentionally are creating roadblocks for their own projects, lol VB will keep being chosen over apps like QEMU simply because it's more user-friendly \_(-__-)_/
May I know which games you've been playing on? I'd like to move once to Linux but I've seen that many anticheat systems don't work on Linux and don't like emulators at all
@@trasker6744 primarily single player like RDR2. though I have played 10+ hours of CSGO and collective 20+ hours of GTA Online with no problem *so far*. I did configure the VM to hide the virtualization but I'm not sure if that matters or not. TF2(which uses VAC just like CSGO) works as well, though I have only played it for 4 hours on the vm.
@@trasker6744 I think the biggest trouble has been the usb passthrough. bought 3 pcie usb cards, only 1 worked, other two didn't get recognized and will crash the vm randomly. you should have better luck with NEC/Renasas cards than say VIA cards. if you need some help setting it up I am more than happy to help.
you watch your tongue boy. Virtualbox does something that none of your other solutions come even close to being able to achieve and that is that it just works. It's simple and works immediately with an easy management interface. Nothing else is that easy to use. Also none of the other solutions work on windows.
Perfect timing! I'm really tempted to switch to Linux but I might need windows for a few things like games with friends, photo and video software I use. Not sure if it's gonna work like I want it to, but I guess I just have to give it a try
@Watcher Agreed. I really love the work Valve is putting into making Linux a viable option for gaming, though I wish the actual Steam client was more stable on linux... Most of my time was spent attempting to figure out why either Steam or Proton randomly stopped working.
@@doigt6590 agreed. With almost no tech experience at all, I easily installed my own dual-boot. To be fair, though, I takes a crap-load of notes compared to most people and tend to read a lot more than them, too - especially if the subject intimidates me (I don't handle defeat well).
if you compile virtualbox from source and make sure you have the acceleration on, mainly nested paging and the CPU specific hardware virtualization, you maybe surprised. I do still agree that kvm/qemu is faster but virtualbox can be faster when compiling from source. You also get features that aren't in the downloadable binary. Just fyi.
Last week I made the switch from VirtualBox to KVM-based Proxmox and so far the experience has been great. 1st class support for ZFS is a huge advantage.
Does it: Have something like guest additions that make desctop scale nicely? Your full screens seems to be 4x3.... Have easy way to share folders/clipboard between host and guest? Have simple network management?
init is reference to the maximum process id you'll ever have access to. There's a hint. Another hint might be how that's different from user 0 versus Init 1 😉
You're kinda the wrong person to ask this, but also the only one I can think of who would answer this, but anyway: I recently updated the RUclips vanced app on my phone and they now have this really neat feature which automatically skips intros, foreshadowing,... and especially product placements/sponsored Segments. Does this hurt RUclipsrs doing sponsored videos/do sponsors pay for the amount of total clicks on a video or the actual amount of people watching the sponsored segment?
Mental Outlaw, I gotta say. You really exhibit this "use X until I use Y" pattern. I specifically recall a video where you talked about QEMU/KVM being too complicated/whatever and that everyone should just use virtual box. Meanwhile... The landscape hasn't changed since that video was made. The only thing that changed was you've tooled around with it more and decided that Virtualbox belongs in the bin now that you aren't using it. Thank God you found virt-manager, otherwise you'd still be telling everybody to use Virtualbox. I guess we all really do learn in the end. This constantly ADHD aspect of open source users is the most annoying thing in the world of computing. Why don't you tell all your followers to install Ubuntu? They'd have KVM/QEMU working out of the box with ZFS and full disk encryption! Can't you make a video tutorial on how to do that with Gentoo? I'm joking of course. That's way too much for ANYONE besides full time basement dwellers. I recently switched from Linux and Windows to chromeOS and macOS. I'm back to living life and no longer pretending to fight a lost war
I agreed with all your points, but... switching to chromeOS and macOS? How is that an improvement? You go out of your way to chain yourself down to a proprietary platform that happily pilfers your data via telemetry, imposes barriers to accessing and modifying your own machine, and is effectively a dumbed-down, layman-proof version of Linux in the first place. I understand switching to Windows if that's what you prefer, or you need software to run, but willingly switching to a less permissive os, because using Linux Mint/Ubuntu is a "lost war"? Precisely that kind of indifference threatens freedom! Using a foss operating system is not about measuring each other's techno penises in a frenzied elitism contest, it's about placing the power over the system in the hands of the consumer, not the power over the consumer in those of the system.
@@spaghettiking653 so you want to talk about telemetry and security? Do you run an AMD64 CPU? Apple's M1 chip doesn't have remote access capabilities as confirmed by Marcan, the guy who ported Linux to Apple Silicon. As far as chrome and apple spying, what does that mean when you're preemptively pwned by Intel and others at the negative ring level? I don't need Tor because I'm not a political dissident nor a human trafficker etc, and none of you last war fighters are going to stop internet regulation and control crackdowns. Governments do as governments will, and you think that your tiny puny opinion that most people don't even have the technological prerequisite understandings to even OPINE is going to matter to a large enough populace to actually reach public outcry levels? No way, man. macOS is way less likely to be hacked than a poorly implemented custom encryption deployment blindly following some Arch wiki guide with zero understanding. And also way less likely to be hacked than Windows as well. And chromeOS also has way better default security parameters than most Linux distributions. That's also a fact. Linux sucks for desktop use in my experience. chromeOS is way better on an old laptop than ubuntu is. But that's just my opinion. macOS is more enjoyable to me than Windows because it doesn't have 3 different control panel generations existing simultaneously. I'm not cucked enough to use iOS, however. So I'm sure we agree on a lot. Also the Mac doesn't pilfer my data because it's a workstation not connected to the web and the Chromebook is used for regular research... Not sure what's wrong with that approach. You're not modifying your machine. You're probably not even recompiling your kernel or using a custom init. You're running stock firmware and a regular bios. Who the hell are you to talk about modifying your own machine? OKAY, Terry davis 2.0. Let's hear about your custom shit. Built with other people's Legos. Unless you really are Terry 2.0. You open source fanatics are constantly talking about hypotheticals and conspiracy theories and almost all of it is only an issue if you want to always leave your machine connected to the internet. You all really just sound like CSAM consumers tbh, lmao. Like, having your computer online all the time so you can constantly be browsing -- that's another optional addiction but you people gaslight productive individuals who don't worry about security with nonsense about your NON-EXISTENT cyber security. Some of us visit libraries and use our computers for computations. And Chromebooks are for web browsing and that's it. Again, What's wrong with that approach? Don't you dare talk about your power as a consumer. You're running a proprietary CPU with multiple remote access backdoors ffs. And you're telling me I'm using the wrong browser/OS.
Not to mention Linux is a wholly corporate venture and that's exactly why you have "Nvidia, FUCK YOU" attitude. You beg the corporations you openly hate for better support. Lol. And you want them to do it all open source. It's the reason Linux remains only useful for large corporations that can hire dozens of developers to make the code actually good and also for soothing autism flare-ups in people that think a computer dick size comparison means something. Do you purposely disable Plymouth so you can see the kernel boot??? WOW you're so much more FREE than me .... I'm jealous
@@user-pb1xd8pv2l Not much I can do about my proprietary CPU, and as far as I'm aware, there's very little alternative in the way of open hardware to begin with. Sure, I could go out of my way to get an M1, but then wrangle with the process of removing macOS - nothing inherently wrong with it, of course, no one's gonna tell you you can't use your own hardware and software however you like. There is nothing wrong with your approach. But macOS sure as shit ain't to my liking, and for the same reason I wasn't able to purchase an AMD chip in distaste of Intel's pride and anticonsumerism, I feel that using any other chipset, on top of running Linux, will make an unbearable amount of software simply unrunnable, as far too much of it is architecture- and chipset-dependent. And for the record, I have built my own kernel, though not for the purposes of watching CSAM, but just to patch out the shitload of bloatware that ships with a generalised kernel. Even still, that kernel is dramatically less bloated than Windows, for chromeOS and macOS I cannot say; at any rate, the point is not that you need Julian Assange level system knowledge to modify your own system, I'm just saying it allows you more leverage over its appearance, function, etc. because it isn't maintained by a corporation that wants to impose its one-size-fits-all approach onto all users. More power to you if you want to use those operating systems, but I don't consider my use of Linux to be a "losing war", to be honest. The difference so far has been basically negligible; I'm just using my computer without blessing several multi-billion dollar corporations with the benefaction of my precious, precious data. Specifically, Google and Microsoft. What goes on on the hardware level is beyond my control and financial capabilities; I ain't gonna shell out another several hundred just to "free" myself from one proprietary hurdle into another. It's not like governments will listen, but I still think it's possible to at least show corporations their place: you can already see the effect on Facebook stock when Apple implements a "do not track" button, and consciousness about privacy is growing tremendously as it is anyway. With regard to security, I don't see how there's particularly much difference between a default Linux installation and a Mac one, considering neither is especially prone to mainstream malware, which primarily targets Windows a priori to capitalise on its colossal userbase. If any system is more likely to be hacked, it's the one which is closed-source, shut off for inspection by the audit of the public, allowing absolutely no one to augment its security with a simple open-source patch. Only hackers can benefit from closed-source, as they only have to contend with the proprietor's security team, not the entire FOSS public. For desktop use, I'd imagine Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, etc. to be all the same, no? Why should one be dramatically more secure than another? On the whole though, I do agree we probably think the same on many points. Pleasure to talk to someone with an actually meaningful and critical opinion.
I use qemu/kvm to test my homemade os project. Id link the github but it has my actual name on it(gona fix that soon) Sidenote: i sooooo regret(not realy, its a realy fun but frustrating project) starting this project but im to far in to stop. X86 asm sucks and makes me mis c
Once virt-manager supports multiple monitors or virt-viewer can safe the position of previous monitors i'll move over, but for now I use vbox for my work VM and need all 3 screens
unfortunate that the installation requires many packages where i don't immediately know how they are relevant to the program, and also that there is some config file adjustment and user management needed. this is typical for linux apps and i don't like it, i should learn and understand the steps needed instead of "just run these commands". good video either way, i just wish installation of these apps were *truly* just apt install appname and you're done.
I eventually got so frustrated with VirtualBox I decided to build a retro Windows 98 SE PC. Now I can play TIE Fighter, Imperium Galactica, and European Air War on native hardware, but at 3ghz.
word of warning, you HAVE to use the EXACT version of VirtIO drivers used in this video, otherwise the windows install will not work. took me forever and I was just about to give up.
Also for some distros to install kvm u just open your software repo store and download the virt manager and the store will do all the installation work for you
This video was uploaded four minutes ago but there are 78 likes right now. Who are these people that like videos before watching them in their entirety?
Props to Fabrice Bellard. He's responsible for QEMU, FFmpeg, TCC and he's working on a new compression algo called nncp.
This guy is insane, I couldn't believe when I heard that QEMU and FFmpeg had the same creator
@@groos3449 yeah man. Big props
@@groos3449 agreed
I used TCC when I first learned to program. The only computer I had was a 3 year old netbook with a horrible 2 core Atom and 1GB of RAM. This was in the summer of 2012 probably. Visual Studio didn’t run on it, Cygwin didn’t run on it. TCC helped me overcome the performance issues.
Yeah hes awesome. I think he also made quick js
5 days no post. The feds got him ☹️.
rip
@@everypizza
Glowies got him :(
Lol@@xrafter
@@anirbanbose6996 kek
@@xrafter LMAO 🤣 hooo
literally tried it out today for the first time, never using virtualbox again :D
I setup a KVM with GPU passthrough for Windows gaming a couple weeks ago, and the performance is absolutely wild. Everything works perfectly, native performance, and games are incredibly smooth.
Do you have a single GPU? What resource did you use to set it up? I was interested in this GPU passthrough, but am running a gtx 950, so probably not strong enough..
yea im interested on your response too, i have a rx480 so id like to know if its possible to do that with only 1 gpu
@@completelyretarded yes
For what I know, you can do it with a single GPU if your CPU has an APU. If dont then you'd be leaving your host machine without a GPU.
Any good guide buddy? I'd like the same.
Protip: if your computer came pre-installed with windows, you can pull in that registration key and use a registered version of Windows in your VM.
Any tutorials on that ??
I encourage you to pirate windows anyway
@@justsomenamelesssoul8097 GitHub is owned by Microsoft, and they don't take down the cracking script. 🤔
Maybe they prefer you to use pirated Windows than alternatives?
@@frapooch They get your data, pirated or not. Paying for being tracked is just a plus for them
@@user-ic5nv8lj9d No malware in there, you can see the source code and they even explain how it works
>we'll give our virtual machine a little bit of ram
>32 gigabytes
I don't own a desktop. I've never run Linux or anything other than Windows. Basically 99.9% of your content goes over my head, but I can't stop watching your videos. Keep it up, man!
That’s how it starts. I hope your interest grows into a skill set or hobby that gives your life meaning.
I was running windows when i started watching his videos and about 1 year later I eventually switched.
Ha ha, that's how we getcha! If you ever find an old pc, you can bring it back to life without worrying too much about bricking it. That way, you can safely tinker with linux and learn how it's put together.
@@Saka_Mulia commenting on a video about machine virtualization. Could use hyper-v (unless home edition) or install virtualbox to tinker with Linux 💡
@@Sunnywastakentoo And it ends when you try to use Linux for the first time, and the toxic wasteland that Linux calls a "community" tries to force the terminal down your throat at every turn: even when there are GUI solutions available.
also for anyone curious, the reason why the performance is so much better on qemu kvm than virtualbox, it's because virtualbox run virtualization on software level, while qemu kvm on kernel level, so it's like the reason why in programming language C is much faster than python, kinda like that
ironically the virt-manager client is written in python (correct me if I am wrong)
Jokes on you! I call compiled C code from my python code!
Is it? I always thought it was because of junk code from pre-defined methods
VMM does almost no work, same to libvirt. They do only calls and creation and modification of vms, nothing more. Everything else is in qemu (calls to run vms on kvm and drivers) and KVM
That's not entirely accurate. There are two pieces of software you think of when you hear virtual box. There's Oracle Virtual Box and there's an open source Virtual Box. Both are generally at parity with each other but the open source variant can be used directly with a hypervisor, zen or kvm configuration for full hardware instancing. A couple years ago I abused that to no end to create sandboxed VMs for video games instead of using wine/proton, as in no desktop or taskbar, just explorer.exe and supporting infrastructure (like drivers) allowed to run in the vm. Worked extremely well, only stopped because proton and wine have got really freaking good over the last couple years.
Yo MO you all good G? Been a while
You didn't post any video in a week already... is everything okay?
Oh boy if GPU manufacturers would allow us to virtualize GPUs , we could have one desktop that serves more than one person at a time.
You can do that tho
There is several different ways to do multiseat on linux, the arch wiki has a guide on xorg multiseat.
You can. You can even split a single GPU into multiple smaller virtual GPU's.
@@gkukull of course it's the arch wiki
@@gkukull you can? I thought Nvidia forbid it.
Heads up to people trying to do performance comparisons: just having KVM or HyperV installed will tank the performance of VirtualBox or VMware Workstation, even if you're not actively using them.
Interesting🤔. Does the existence of kvm and hyperv prevent virtualbox from utilizing VT-x or?
KVM isn’t something you “install”, it’s just another standard capability of the Linux kernel.
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Sort of, and sort of not. There are both KVM enabled and non-enabled versions of the kernel in nearly every distribution.
@Miigon Yes, HyperV and KVM monopolize VT-x. Microsoft supposedly has a workaround with HyperV and VMware, but it only recovers about half of the penalty.
There is no penalty to having them installed, VirtualBox only bogs down when running both at the same time
@@buckeyefan9746 If you have Hyper-V or KVM installed, they're running by default all the time. They're not programs you run like VirtualBox or VMWare, they're different versions of the kernel. I'm not exactly sure of the architecture of these 2, but with Xen your "host" OS was also virtualized, but with special admin permissions.
Hey Kenny, everything ok? Have the alphabet Bois got you yet?
Keep in mind the instructions for starting the service and editing that config file don't apply if you use systemd (which is the default on basically every popular Linux OS). You need to do "systemctl enable --now libvirtd" (this both starts and enables the service). You don't need to edit the config file at all. Also you may need to change some bios settings to enable virtualization, on an AMD board all of these should be enabled:
SVM - Enabled
Iommu - Enabled
AES - Enabled
AER Cap - Enabled
That's required for GPU passthrough. Also note GPU passthrough is a huge pain-in-the-ass if you only have one GPU.
Great note to add! Thx for commenting
PITA....but possible?
A very underrated featue of virt-manager is to access remote VM's. Setting up a headless hypervisor in your homelab is quite comfy, and was my reason for switching from VirtualBox.
You should be able to do it with any VMM, just set port forwarding on ssh
oh. nice, been pondering this for a while. Can I run a desktop with low-moderate memory (ie 16GB) and run test VMs a box elsewhere with more memory. Appears possible with vbox, but clunky.
@@rjhornsby yeah, it's quite seamless on virt-manager. Open the right ports and set up SSH with public key Auth. Just werks
So I can build a virtualization server
Access it with vnc and manage the vms with the setup from the video
Is there a tutorial on this somewhere?
pls a video on the war.
SYSTEMD EQUIVALENTS OF SOME COMMANDS:
sudo rc-service libvirtd start > sudo systemctl start libvirtd
sudo rc-update add libvirtd > sudo systemctl enable libvirtd
sudo rc-service libvirtd restart > sudo systemctl restart libvirtd
Thank you very much, I was looking for this comment.
thank you so much
thanks great tutorial but lol the guy runs arch with not systemd but rc, has 128Go of RAM, not really like my Fedora Workstation on my potato laptop
"A _little bit_ of RAM."
*[Casually drops in more RAM than most people have on their entire computer]*
Actually... 16 threads + 32GB RAM _is_ my entire current computer. And even that is leagues ahead of every previous computer I've ever owned.
I've been screwing around with PCem recently, which has reminded me of what things were like when I was a kid, such as having to use every trick in the book to push running applications into the upper and extended memory (where most of your truly enormous 4MB or possibly even 8MB of RAM resides), to free up every single kilobyte you possibly can of DOS's precious 640KB of conventional memory so that your games could run. After fighting tooth and nail to liberate those precious 60-or-so KB to stay above the 600KB threshold (using a mere 40KB to run the core of the OS), it really puts into perspective just how insanely far things have come. Imagine telling someone in 1993 - when RAM was $30+ per _MB_ - that a person's single, average-tower-sized PC would have literally 5.5 _MILLION_ dollars worth of RAM in it.
Dude has 128GB of ram, he's just like Mutahar .
As much as I would love to use Qemu, I'm afraid to say from experience that it is only worth using if you
a) don't care about graphics performance or
b) have a second GPU to passthrough
The reality is that Qemu occupies both places of best and worst virtualization stacks for graphics performance. If you pass through a real GPU to Qemu, it can blow its competition out of the water and get you graphics performance that can rival bare metal. However, if you, like me, do not have a second GPU, one of your only options is to use QXL which is like a virtual GPU. Unfortunately, QXL's graphics performance is absolutely pathetic as it lags even when you drag program windows around the desktop, to say nothing of its nonexistent 3D acceleration. It is literally eons worse than even virtualbox, which itself is eons worse than vmware's 3D acceleration.
I am aware that there is one other option besides QXL and that is single GPU passthrough. However I do not even consider that an option because you won't be able to use the host OS while the VM is running.
There is also another caveat which is that setting up shared folders is much more manual with Qemu than either virtualbox or vmware. Personally I wouldn't mind this if it meant I could get better graphics performance, but as it stands now it is only the icing on the turd cake of my experience.
I WANT to use Qemu, but only virtualbox or vmware can provide me with bearable desktop performance at the moment.
It is surprising that one GPU cannot be used by more than one system at the time. Like, really really bad design. Usually you need to have your main GPU available on the host as well, it would be silly otherwise.
You can try single gpu passthrough, it is working for me, i used risingprism guide. If you're interested check it out 😉
@@HyperMario64 Right, thanks for reminding me. I forgot to mention that there is a 3rd option available only to Nvidia users - VGPU unlocker. It enables splitting the GPU cores on consumer-grade GPUs like Geforce like you would split CPU cores and share only part of them to the VM. This is normally only allowed on datacenter-grade Nvidia GPUs because Nvidia (sincerely **** them) want you to buy their more expensive GPUs which do not have this software limitation. VGPU unlocker allows you to use this feature on normal GPUs as well.
This works only on a subset of consumer-grade Nvidia GPUs and mine is not one of them unfortunately.
also no drag and drop files :(
I haven't had that many issues with qxl, but I've mostly used windows or Linux with the guest tools / drivers so that probably helped a little.
For most others (using systemd), the commands are:
sudo systemctl restart libvirtd
sudo systemctl enable libvirtd
Thanks ;-;
hyper-v is pretty nice aswell but obv linux is the better option if you want to reduce the glow
yep hyper-V is good same with VMware
The primary maintainer of KVM is Red Hat, which is owned by IBM. If IBM doesn't glow, no one does.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 well yea but you actually have the option to audit it unlike hyper-v lmao
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 yeah, I was sad to read that. They bought KVM from another company, too, so that makes it even more suspicious.
I've been learning more about virtualization lately. Interesting topic; looking forward to hearing more about it from you in this video.
it's revolutionary!!....15 years ago
@@aninnymoose720 Still a pretty cool concept, though, even if it's been along for a pretty long time.
@@aninnymoose720 IBM released VM/370 in 1972.
@@aninnymoose720 Yeah, but to be fair it has improved sooo much since then.
for anyone following this tutorial as of 2024 on arch: the qemu package doesn't exist anymore. it will ask you to pick between qemu-base, qemu-desktop or qemu-full. pick qemu-desktop or qemu-full as they include spice. if you pick qemu-base, vga virtio will not work.
Newest versions of linux kernel disable the KVM virtualization for security reasons. If you see the following line in the result of l"scpu" :
Vulnerabilities:
Itlb multihit: KVM: Mitigation: VMX disabled
then chances are KVM will not work on your PC.
Edit: link to kernel doc: www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/hw-vuln/multihit.html
when the world needed him most... he vanished.
For shared folders and bridge networking its a bit hard to achieve with virt manager. So when i need those features i use virtualbox
You can use Samba to create a network based fileshare, and even access files from your phone or tablet (granted they have apps that support SMB/CIFS protocol) that virt-manager can access pretty easily
The option to share host folders is in the +Add Hardware menu.
I just discovered it today, and I don't remember seeing it before, so it might be new, and I haven't checked to see if it's sharable between multiple VMs at the same time.
@@TheFrantic5 What is that option called? Filesystem?
@@navaneeth6157 yes.
I haven't tested this yet as I have a new system and I'm lazy, but you'll need to have your shared folder on the host as the source path, a made-up label as the target path, and you'll need to load these modules {loop,virtio,9p,9pnet,9pnet_virtio} onto the guest with modprobe. Afterwards, you use
# mount [targetlabel] /path/to/place/shared/folder - t 9p -o trans=virtio
to be able to place the folder where you want on the guest.
Plan 9 is an old remote file system protocol from what I've read, but it should do the job.
Unfortunately it's not one-click like virtualbox (and originally it thought it was, which was why I posted it) so if you need that functionality (as well as connecting to Windows guests) you'd be better off finding a libvirt samba tutorial. Or just use what works.
Dead simple bridge networking is why I have always chosen VirtualBox over KVM. With VirtualBox, bridge networking is a couple mouse clicks. With KVM, unless things have changed, it was a massive gauntlet of system configuration changes and networking tweaks that were all but guaranteed to make a system stop working.
I really, Really, REALLY want to ditch VirtualBox, but its incredibly easy bridge networking is why I stay with it.
I wish in future video you guide how to passthrough hardware to the VM. I'm still have hard time to understand the procedure for passing through the hardware. Thanks for the great video
Then the video would be 2 hours long.
Today I got my first nvidia gpu and I was so excited... until I woke up and realized it’s a dream 💀
I have one 4 u
Just send me your CC and your mom's phone number
AMD on linux is a better choice. NVidia's linux drivers suck.
I'll be the first one to say it: This is sadly way too complicated for me.
Same
Nearly the same gaming performance as native Windows? I can't believe it. Sounds virtually impossible 🤔
Well, to do that you need to do something call gpu passthrough, to pass your gpu to the vm.
Is very interesting, but seems to require some virt manager knowledge.
@@perseo10000 It was meant as a bad joke ("virtually"😬) but your reply was actually interesting, thanks!
This was what I swapped to when I went with my home server a while ago and got tired of dealing with VMWare.
Me and Oracle have never been best friends, so Virtualbox was never an option, and virt manager became a game changer when I tried it.
It has built in QEMU management over SSH, meaning you can easily get at it from anywhere and not worry about any other security than your basic SSH.
Only drawback to it is.... No Windows version of Virt manager exists, so this is one where I keep a Linux VM on my Windows machine just to do remote management.
Have you tried the recent updates to Windows Subsystem for Linux? it lets you natively use GUI apps without the old hacky solutions. I don't use Windows unless I absolutely have to, but I did use the WSL2 GUI for awhile and its half decent.
Why do you use windows? ew
you can forward remote x applications to windows natively with putty and vcxsrv... other applications are available.
@@swarajya.55 It is the last gaming rig / desktop in the house... The rest have already left and gone to Linux or BSD, but some games aren't there yet and I do not have a spare AMD GPU to go and shove it into a VM (Trust me I really want to)
As for the WSL2, I ran into a massive problem getting networking working with that, so I sort of abandoned it and is awaiting for some patches from Microsoft.
As for X fowarding a window, I haven't looked into that for Windows, but it is tempting.
Still though, that Windows box is very Linuxified, Cygwin is installed so I can SSH into it to fetch files when I am not home for an example. (Not exposed to the internet, I run my own VPN server on a BSD box for access.)
@@CMDRSweeper I haven't personally done it, but supposedly it's possible to do with cygwin/x as well.
One request...how to: bridge qemu vm to wifi for mortals. An easy way to do this would be great for laptop users.
I had one and performance was pretty great, but man, getting files to and from the virtual machine was a PITA. VirtualBox's folder sharing is just too rich of a feature to get me to switch.
The normal way you would share files is via smb/nfs/ftp/ssh etc, VM's are no different.
Agreed, I need that folder sharing feature, makes it easier to share directory
@@entelin Obviously OP finds the "normal" way to be a PITA. Vbox let's you drag and drop files and share folders 🤷
What's your point?
@@1yaz Because I don't really believe that anyone would sacrifice crap tons of performance.. Then claim they are doing that because a normal mapped drive, which is essentially the exact same thing from a user perspective as having files locally in your C:, is somehow a PITA. Drag/drop also creates copies of files, which is almost always less desirable than keeping your files in a central location and working on them from there. It's a user training / setup issue, not an actual real issue.
do it like i do. basically virtually connect a usb stick between the main pc and the vm
Just a heads up for those using Artix Linux with s6. You also have to manually add and start another service called "virtlogd" in order for this to work.
I have been using virtual machines for years now and never once did it occur to me that the awful performance in virtual box was NOT normal... I just assumed that virtualization was just rather intensive. Very excited to try out QEMU and transition some of my environments over!
Same, with a KVM GPU passthrough Windows 10 VM, I was suprised that it runs with near bare-metal performance
What would the Debian equivalent of the package openbsd-netcat be? Wish there was just a meta-package for it all.
EDIT: it appears to be called netcat-openbsd & on mainline/upstream Ubuntu at least is pre-installed w/ the OS.
Also on Ubuntu, virt-viewer is just included as a dependency for when downloading virt-manager actually, that is assuming anyways --install-recommends is enabled by default on your particular fork's apt config.
I like QEMU, but it definitely needs a more streamlined install/configuration like VirtualBox to sway your average user into moving over. I also don't like how it has to modify your iptables in order to access the internet in VM's and bridged configurations (instead of NAT) are even more of a pain. Want to use UEFI BIOS for Win11...another layer of configuration/installs. VirtualBox is much more clean when it comes to installation/configuration, and unless you want a gaming VM or need to have the most secure VM, it's not really worth moving over. FOSS is the strongest selling point for QEMU imho.
You see, in this image I just made virtualbox is the virgin, and virt-manager is the chad.
Welp you posted this while I was trying to make vbox work so I guess I'm switching over now
Nice
8:11
"And then we'll give our VM a LITTLE BIT of RAM"
*Proceeds to give the VM 32GB of RAM*
It would be nice if there was a distro that just had this specifically already set up out of the box. Like, imagine a distro meet specifically for virtual machines to give you the absolute best possible performance by having the bare minimum operating system required to create a virtual machine. That could be really useful for something like twith streamers so that if something goes wrong, they can reboot the computer without stopping the stream.
proxmox
Good video and great tip but I just wanna let u know that there are 1000 other methods to install it without confusing beginners
Yeah, I’m a noob, and have been considering switching, and five minutes into this I was like, NO THANK YOU! lol
Is there any advantage to using virtio over the default? Using the default I found the windows installed could detect the virtual disk just fine without needing any extra drivers.
One word of caution, having high framerates didn't equal to the responsivenes of the game. Had to either choose normal fps or not feeling the input lag. It was slight, but noticible, even though I tinkered with the cpu settings a lot. Might be a problem of having 7770k tho, since it has 4 cores 8 threads.
Also tried limiting the processes on host to only one core, this might be a good trick for somebody looking to optimize performance, and it can easily be done with a simple bash script run by qemu on startup of the machine, and reversing its thing after shutdown.
Had a blast setting it up, but the performance wasn't really there.
Yeah a gaming VM for multiplayer games at the moment isn’t super reliable due to the input lag and also anti cheat from time to time. Singleplayer games still work very well and the input lag isn’t a problem on most of them
@@D00000T Geometry Dash, Osu, Just shapes and Beats, Danmaku Unlimited and Touhou Project: ...
@@akeem2983 most of them aren’t that punishing 95% of the time. The benefits of virtualization and not running windows natively outweighs getting fucked over by input lag in that one osu map that only players with carpal tunnel will play (only one I can see being a problem is if you play a bullet hell game and have to deal with the occasional pixel perfect bs)
@@D00000T I haven't played osu in forever what map is that? And can you run it or does peppy's magical anticheat detection ban you?
@@battokizu I don't know exactly how it works, but osu works perfectly even through Wine, I think that full emulation also should'nt do anything with a game. There's also an Osu!lazer project, which is unfinished but already have most of the features for comfortable gameplay.
I followed some ordinary gamers gpu passthrough guide for qemu with a 3090 and i9-9900k setup and I'm never going back to even a dual boot setup. dual boot would always eventually break on me. this has been so much more stable and I'm loving it. can finally trash windows for good.
Agreed
+1 intending to use this to completely replace my win 10 dualboot, i only need this for game modding tools and games in general i guess, i dont really wanna set up wine lol
I've been using it since I first heard of it because I totally despise Oracle.
I have to say: it's simple, it's fast, it works and you're probably not losing much by using it.
On the security level, choose an SELinux/AppArmor decently configured system and you're reasonably safe.
If you're not really focusing on security, which usually is my case, GODDAMN JUST SWITCH TO IT.
Well, it was first SUN Virtualbox, before obstacle bought them.
for some reason, AppArour doens't work on any Debian installation I've had. Since Debian is considered a base distro, I find this odd. Never figured out how to fix it or reinstall it...or, just didn't try.
"then we'll give our vm a little bit of RAM"
>32768 MB
a MINUSCULE amount of RAM
I've been using QEMU+libvirt for some months now, using virsh to create and manage headless machines. There's also quite good support for libvirt+Vagrant.
Would be really nice to see a follow-up video on how to manage VMs with QEMU+libvirt from the terminal (i.e. w/o virt-manager). AFAIK you can create VMs from an XML with virsh or use virt-install, then you can manage them with virsh.
tfw virtual machine with 32 gigs of ram and 16 cores
Those who want to use qemu for virtual machines with greater flexibility should try Proxmox... I use it as a workstation (KDE installed) with virtual machines running in the background, which allows me to deploy multiple servers or other Windows or Linux virtual machines that I can turn it on or off without having to reboot the system and getting the maximum performance from the hardware I have.
Dell Precision T7600 2x Xeon E-2620, 64Gb RAM, 1ssd 480gb + 3hdd 512Gb + 1hdd 2Tb, Quadro k4000 3Gb VRAM.
when are the cyber warfare vids coming out?
The 4chan party van got him
@Aristotelis Sifakis i do
Will anti-cheat services like EAC and Battle-Eye recognize that they're being run through a vm with this method?
Ur never getting out of gold 2 bud just quit now
@@SadEfforts I don't even play Siege, but ok.
I recently swapped to arch from windows, it rough for a bit but I’m learning more everyday got my qemu for some usb audio pass through to a windows vm. It’s been pretty great.
I didn't know about "sudo !!" thing, thanks
Thank you for evrything Mental Outlaw. You inspired me to follow an undergrad degree in system and network admnistration as an 28 year old. I really find it fun to use everything through the command line in linux. The fact that linux offer so much freedom and that with virtualisation, steamos and lutris linux gaming is today possible . This is an dream for a lot of poeple becoming reality. Ps. Do you plan to own an steamdeck in the future? i really want to hear your opinion about it or an video with ? :)
Great to see such hope & passion life reality making here 😃
Could you update your current scenario now?
I am 25,BE CSE,Jobless (Tamilnadu,India),got some ideas & passion for life too
Glad to see such people 😊
Wish all be well 😃🌟✨🙌
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3rd like,1+ year ago comment
Using Virt-Manager with Ubuntu Virt-Manager is better these days when using VirtualBox some applications can tell you using VBox by searching if VBox is using the reserved memory addresses. Bios is better in Virt-Manger. I did have a couple of cow files go corrupt when the system was forced to close it never happened again but to solve that I just made a bash script that will keep backing my cow file up every so often.
I love QEMU/Virt Manager, but the only issue is that there is no way(as far as I know) to share files with my guest. And since I use VMs mainly to edit this kinda kills it for me.
Something something samba share, but I agree 100%. My Win VM guest is to do Win exclusive processing my Linux can't do (or do as well) and getting the data back and forth was difficult to say the least. VirtualBox's file sharings are just too nice of a feature for me to give it up just yet.
@@Biggestsonicfan The issue is even with somthing like samba. you have to upload the videos. which for me could range from 4-10gb videos. and then download them to the VM. hopfully one day a more easy way to file share on Virtmanager becomes a thing cuz I would love to switch over.
In the meantime we have seen games get a higher FPS with Proton (so wine and dxvk and all that) than on Windows. Eldenring and Apex Legends so far via Chris Titus Tech. CS:Go already performed equal or slightly better (3700X Linus Tech Tips) natively compared to Windows. Let's hope that soon we don't need PCIe-passthrough for gaming on Linux in any scenario, if a few games (Fortnite, PUBG and a few other games) stop blocking Linux-users.
Cool and useful video. Nothing more, just felt that a single like didn’t do it justice.
QEMU -- another decent FOSS which fucked up by lack of competent GUI which would help it to be adopted by more people.
It's like open source devs intentionally are creating roadblocks for their own projects, lol
VB will keep being chosen over apps like QEMU simply because it's more user-friendly \_(-__-)_/
Currently using kvm and passing through a GTX1070ti just for gaming. Performance is great, you almost can't tell it's virtual machine.
May I know which games you've been playing on? I'd like to move once to Linux but I've seen that many anticheat systems don't work on Linux and don't like emulators at all
@@trasker6744 primarily single player like RDR2. though I have played 10+ hours of CSGO and collective 20+ hours of GTA Online with no problem *so far*. I did configure the VM to hide the virtualization but I'm not sure if that matters or not. TF2(which uses VAC just like CSGO) works as well, though I have only played it for 4 hours on the vm.
@@trasker6744 I think the biggest trouble has been the usb passthrough. bought 3 pcie usb cards, only 1 worked, other two didn't get recognized and will crash the vm randomly. you should have better luck with NEC/Renasas cards than say VIA cards. if you need some help setting it up I am more than happy to help.
having a threadripper and using arch. this man is in the top 10 of the computer nerds leaderboard
What's the other 9?
notification squad
😎
you watch your tongue boy. Virtualbox does something that none of your other solutions come even close to being able to achieve and that is that it just works. It's simple and works immediately with an easy management interface. Nothing else is that easy to use. Also none of the other solutions work on windows.
Perfect timing! I'm really tempted to switch to Linux but I might need windows for a few things like games with friends, photo and video software I use. Not sure if it's gonna work like I want it to, but I guess I just have to give it a try
@Watcher Agreed. I really love the work Valve is putting into making Linux a viable option for gaming, though I wish the actual Steam client was more stable on linux... Most of my time was spent attempting to figure out why either Steam or Proton randomly stopped working.
Dual Booting is still the best option my friend.
@@doigt6590 Agreed.
@@doigt6590 agreed. With almost no tech experience at all, I easily installed my own dual-boot. To be fair, though, I takes a crap-load of notes compared to most people and tend to read a lot more than them, too - especially if the subject intimidates me (I don't handle defeat well).
if you compile virtualbox from source and make sure you have the acceleration on, mainly nested paging and the CPU specific hardware virtualization, you maybe surprised. I do still agree that kvm/qemu is faster but virtualbox can be faster when compiling from source. You also get features that aren't in the downloadable binary. Just fyi.
Last week I made the switch from VirtualBox to KVM-based Proxmox and so far the experience has been great. 1st class support for ZFS is a huge advantage.
As someone who built an entire separate x86 system to serve as a ZFS based NAS, I that is kind of impressive to me.
Is Virtualbox good again? Is it good at GPU passthrough? Or is QEMU/virt-manager still better?
at this point, we need to archive his videos for posterity
Good idea! Although Odysee is your friend too!
Does it:
Have something like guest additions that make desctop scale nicely? Your full screens seems to be 4x3....
Have easy way to share folders/clipboard between host and guest?
Have simple network management?
Curious why you like openrc over runit? I've tried to do a bit of checking but there is not a whole lot about to use for comparison between the two.
init is reference to the maximum process id you'll ever have access to. There's a hint. Another hint might be how that's different from user 0 versus Init 1 😉
i worded that oddly. Technically it's the lowest number not the maximum, but nvm...
@@aninnymoose720 I think you are confused as to the OP's question.
You're kinda the wrong person to ask this, but also the only one I can think of who would answer this, but anyway:
I recently updated the RUclips vanced app on my phone and they now have this really neat feature which automatically skips intros, foreshadowing,... and especially product placements/sponsored Segments. Does this hurt RUclipsrs doing sponsored videos/do sponsors pay for the amount of total clicks on a video or the actual amount of people watching the sponsored segment?
I have used QEMU on fedora 35 for the past few months for my school work in Visual Studio. So much better than VMware and Vbox
why not use vs directly in linux? is there any particular reason? just asking out of curiosity btw.
Visual studio currently doesn't work well on wine
@@woland. visual studio doesn't have a linux version
@@groos3449 there's also the annoyance that's targeting a different platform
@@groos3449 I am in a database programming course and am making windows forms apps with MSsql Server
2:34 Wow. We our machines have almost the same specs, lmfao. I'm running a 3990X with a 3070Ti and 128GB 3200 DDR4 ECC RAM.
Mental Outlaw, I gotta say. You really exhibit this "use X until I use Y" pattern. I specifically recall a video where you talked about QEMU/KVM being too complicated/whatever and that everyone should just use virtual box. Meanwhile... The landscape hasn't changed since that video was made. The only thing that changed was you've tooled around with it more and decided that Virtualbox belongs in the bin now that you aren't using it. Thank God you found virt-manager, otherwise you'd still be telling everybody to use Virtualbox. I guess we all really do learn in the end. This constantly ADHD aspect of open source users is the most annoying thing in the world of computing. Why don't you tell all your followers to install Ubuntu? They'd have KVM/QEMU working out of the box with ZFS and full disk encryption! Can't you make a video tutorial on how to do that with Gentoo? I'm joking of course. That's way too much for ANYONE besides full time basement dwellers. I recently switched from Linux and Windows to chromeOS and macOS. I'm back to living life and no longer pretending to fight a lost war
I agreed with all your points, but... switching to chromeOS and macOS? How is that an improvement? You go out of your way to chain yourself down to a proprietary platform that happily pilfers your data via telemetry, imposes barriers to accessing and modifying your own machine, and is effectively a dumbed-down, layman-proof version of Linux in the first place. I understand switching to Windows if that's what you prefer, or you need software to run, but willingly switching to a less permissive os, because using Linux Mint/Ubuntu is a "lost war"? Precisely that kind of indifference threatens freedom! Using a foss operating system is not about measuring each other's techno penises in a frenzied elitism contest, it's about placing the power over the system in the hands of the consumer, not the power over the consumer in those of the system.
@@spaghettiking653 so you want to talk about telemetry and security? Do you run an AMD64 CPU? Apple's M1 chip doesn't have remote access capabilities as confirmed by Marcan, the guy who ported Linux to Apple Silicon. As far as chrome and apple spying, what does that mean when you're preemptively pwned by Intel and others at the negative ring level? I don't need Tor because I'm not a political dissident nor a human trafficker etc, and none of you last war fighters are going to stop internet regulation and control crackdowns. Governments do as governments will, and you think that your tiny puny opinion that most people don't even have the technological prerequisite understandings to even OPINE is going to matter to a large enough populace to actually reach public outcry levels? No way, man. macOS is way less likely to be hacked than a poorly implemented custom encryption deployment blindly following some Arch wiki guide with zero understanding. And also way less likely to be hacked than Windows as well. And chromeOS also has way better default security parameters than most Linux distributions. That's also a fact. Linux sucks for desktop use in my experience. chromeOS is way better on an old laptop than ubuntu is. But that's just my opinion. macOS is more enjoyable to me than Windows because it doesn't have 3 different control panel generations existing simultaneously. I'm not cucked enough to use iOS, however. So I'm sure we agree on a lot. Also the Mac doesn't pilfer my data because it's a workstation not connected to the web and the Chromebook is used for regular research... Not sure what's wrong with that approach. You're not modifying your machine. You're probably not even recompiling your kernel or using a custom init. You're running stock firmware and a regular bios. Who the hell are you to talk about modifying your own machine? OKAY, Terry davis 2.0. Let's hear about your custom shit. Built with other people's Legos. Unless you really are Terry 2.0. You open source fanatics are constantly talking about hypotheticals and conspiracy theories and almost all of it is only an issue if you want to always leave your machine connected to the internet. You all really just sound like CSAM consumers tbh, lmao. Like, having your computer online all the time so you can constantly be browsing -- that's another optional addiction but you people gaslight productive individuals who don't worry about security with nonsense about your NON-EXISTENT cyber security. Some of us visit libraries and use our computers for computations. And Chromebooks are for web browsing and that's it. Again, What's wrong with that approach? Don't you dare talk about your power as a consumer. You're running a proprietary CPU with multiple remote access backdoors ffs. And you're telling me I'm using the wrong browser/OS.
Not to mention Linux is a wholly corporate venture and that's exactly why you have "Nvidia, FUCK YOU" attitude. You beg the corporations you openly hate for better support. Lol. And you want them to do it all open source. It's the reason Linux remains only useful for large corporations that can hire dozens of developers to make the code actually good and also for soothing autism flare-ups in people that think a computer dick size comparison means something. Do you purposely disable Plymouth so you can see the kernel boot??? WOW you're so much more FREE than me .... I'm jealous
@@user-pb1xd8pv2l Not much I can do about my proprietary CPU, and as far as I'm aware, there's very little alternative in the way of open hardware to begin with. Sure, I could go out of my way to get an M1, but then wrangle with the process of removing macOS - nothing inherently wrong with it, of course, no one's gonna tell you you can't use your own hardware and software however you like. There is nothing wrong with your approach. But macOS sure as shit ain't to my liking, and for the same reason I wasn't able to purchase an AMD chip in distaste of Intel's pride and anticonsumerism, I feel that using any other chipset, on top of running Linux, will make an unbearable amount of software simply unrunnable, as far too much of it is architecture- and chipset-dependent. And for the record, I have built my own kernel, though not for the purposes of watching CSAM, but just to patch out the shitload of bloatware that ships with a generalised kernel. Even still, that kernel is dramatically less bloated than Windows, for chromeOS and macOS I cannot say; at any rate, the point is not that you need Julian Assange level system knowledge to modify your own system, I'm just saying it allows you more leverage over its appearance, function, etc. because it isn't maintained by a corporation that wants to impose its one-size-fits-all approach onto all users. More power to you if you want to use those operating systems, but I don't consider my use of Linux to be a "losing war", to be honest. The difference so far has been basically negligible; I'm just using my computer without blessing several multi-billion dollar corporations with the benefaction of my precious, precious data. Specifically, Google and Microsoft. What goes on on the hardware level is beyond my control and financial capabilities; I ain't gonna shell out another several hundred just to "free" myself from one proprietary hurdle into another. It's not like governments will listen, but I still think it's possible to at least show corporations their place: you can already see the effect on Facebook stock when Apple implements a "do not track" button, and consciousness about privacy is growing tremendously as it is anyway.
With regard to security, I don't see how there's particularly much difference between a default Linux installation and a Mac one, considering neither is especially prone to mainstream malware, which primarily targets Windows a priori to capitalise on its colossal userbase. If any system is more likely to be hacked, it's the one which is closed-source, shut off for inspection by the audit of the public, allowing absolutely no one to augment its security with a simple open-source patch. Only hackers can benefit from closed-source, as they only have to contend with the proprietor's security team, not the entire FOSS public. For desktop use, I'd imagine Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, etc. to be all the same, no? Why should one be dramatically more secure than another?
On the whole though, I do agree we probably think the same on many points. Pleasure to talk to someone with an actually meaningful and critical opinion.
Cannot see "QEMU/KVM - Not Connected", turns out I need to click "File > Add connection" and add QEMU/KVM
I use qemu/kvm to test my homemade os project. Id link the github but it has my actual name on it(gona fix that soon)
Sidenote: i sooooo regret(not realy, its a realy fun but frustrating project) starting this project but im to far in to stop. X86 asm sucks and makes me mis c
Once virt-manager supports multiple monitors or virt-viewer can safe the position of previous monitors i'll move over, but for now I use vbox for my work VM and need all 3 screens
unfortunate that the installation requires many packages where i don't immediately know how they are relevant to the program, and also that there is some config file adjustment and user management needed. this is typical for linux apps and i don't like it, i should learn and understand the steps needed instead of "just run these commands".
good video either way, i just wish installation of these apps were *truly* just apt install appname and you're done.
What are your thoughts about QubesOS?
Seems all great but when trying to share a folder between Host and Guest not that cool. I found nothing simple on the web, am I missing something?
I eventually got so frustrated with VirtualBox I decided to build a retro Windows 98 SE PC. Now I can play TIE Fighter, Imperium Galactica, and European Air War on native hardware, but at 3ghz.
yeah this won't be popular until it's automated click and run like VirtualBox...
I don't think I will use QEMU because Virtualbox support KVM
when I try the first command it tells me virt-viewer and libguestfs cant be found... why?
word of warning, you HAVE to use the EXACT version of VirtIO drivers used in this video, otherwise the windows install will not work. took me forever and I was just about to give up.
Does this qemu/virt manager also support clone feature like virtualbox ?
Im stuck on "Let's connect you to a network" in the guest machine
if youre on windows and want something better than vbox then try the vmware player, the difference in performance is insane
Also for some distros to install kvm u just open your software repo store and download the virt manager and the store will do all the installation work for you
What is the advantage of VirtManager over Gnome Boxes - is it just additional customisation or are there speed advantages too?
Gnome Boxes is just a GUI on top of libvirt.
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 And what about VirtManager?
How do you reconfigure for a non-Nat setup. Need the vm on the actual network.
This video was uploaded four minutes ago but there are 78 likes right now. Who are these people that like videos before watching them in their entirety?
We appreciate it very much Tim Apple
I like the way you think, Tim Applecook.
i use qemu but my only problem with it is that it doesn't have aero for windows guest vms
I love the flex when your Sysinfo pops up in the terminal. Rip those threads my bro. So much memory. Peace
Getting rid of vb will be an emotional moment, I don't think I can afford this now
Are you crazy ryzen theradryper with GTX 1080ti 🤦
Nice flex nonchalantly giving the VM 32 gigs of RAM and 16 cores
Explain to me how i should ditch Virtualbox if QEmu is only on linux.