Michael Shellenberger and Bret Weinstein - Sam Harris Has a Flawed Worldview
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- Michael Shellenberger and Bret Weinstein discuss how Sam Harris' worldview is flawed.
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Do you agree with Michael Shellenberger and Bret Weinstein's assessment of Sam Harris' worldview?
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Sam Harris tends to try to reduce everything to rationality. Some things just aren't (and I'm saying this as someone driven by the scientific method!). I find him interesting to listen to.. but only because of his curious way of going about things. He hasn't changed my mind on anything.
@@rbarnes4076 except he hasn’t, he fully acknowledges the mysterious nature of experience and doesn’t attempt to give a definitive answer as to how it arises. What he doesn’t do is fall back on magical thinking or nonsense.
Yes Michael is right regarding Sam, but wrong regarding being able to predict human behaviour.
His TDS broke him
100%
Let me get this straight…Trump creates a mental illness that infects people’s minds and makes them dumber…and you want him to be president?
I get a kick out of how politely, Michael and Bret tip toe around their criticisms of Sam Harris; like they pity the privileged dullard who took the short bus to the elite schools
Couldn't get past "Islam can be a religion of peace and love". No it cannot, not unless its core teachings are radically changed and adapted to modern times which is what Sam Harris has advocated and is impossible when not one Muslim has advocated it.
Islam will never be a religion willing to change its core beliefs or be able to separate church and state.
"can be" but history says wont be.
@@yt.damianThe Islamic world was far more peaceful and tolerant than the European Christian world during the Middle Ages. You know that all we know of the ancient Greeks comes to us because the Muslim world preserved it right? You know that the idea of religious tolerance comes from the Islamic world. Maybe you’ve heard of the Spanish Inquisition? That was quite typical in that era that Christians could be killed for minor disagreements of doctrine.
Modern Islam is in its own dark age, but it isn’t necessarily permanent. Any scripture or worldview can be twisted to violent ends.
Let's be honest: he just said that so he wouldn't be beheaded.
@@yt.damian I read the Quran - it really can't unless you delete huge portions of that book
Harris grew up in Hollywood 2:06 in a wealthy home. His Mother was a famous producer. He has no, real life experiences.
“No real life experiences.”
Years of silent meditation retreats and a successful career as an author, speaker, podcaster. Maybe I’m hallucinating on too much LSD but that sounds like a whole lot of life experience lmao.
@@AwesomeBXPeterThat sounds like a luxury lifestyle to me - dossing about, indulging while being rich.
Sam has no grit in his oyster and hasn't produced a single pearl.
His whole Eliminativist Schick is low-resolution - like his TDS.
@@donthesitatebegin9283well, wait. Sam also spent time as the Dalai Lama's bodyguard and wandering around Nepal and India
@@nicholaslaport3354 Well, like the Dalai Lama - Sam thinks his ordure is sacred.
Chat GPT - Do you get this joke: Well, like the Dalai Lama - Sam Harris thinks his ordure is sacred.
ChatGPT
Yes, I understand the joke. It's a play on words and a humorous comparison. Here's the breakdown:
Dalai Lama: The spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism, often seen as a figure of great wisdom and reverence.
Sam Harris: A well-known author, philosopher, and neuroscientist, often involved in discussions about religion and spirituality from a secular, often critical perspective.
Ordure: A term for excrement or something considered filthy.
Sacred: Something regarded with reverence and respect, often in a religious context.
The joke is suggesting that Sam Harris, like the Dalai Lama, thinks his "ordure" (a term for excrement) is sacred. This is humorous because it contrasts the idea of something typically considered dirty and worthless (excrement) with something revered and respected (sacred), highlighting the absurdity of the comparison. It's also a playful jab at Sam Harris, implying that he has a high opinion of his own views or output, much like the revered spiritual leader, but in a more profane and ironic manner.
@@AwesomeBXPeterThat life experience isn't particularly relevant regarding common reality individuals who don't have his background exist in.
I think his constant simping for authority regarding the Covid response is a defense mechanism of the institutions he worships in almost the same fashion a religious fundamentalist worships their deity.
All he had to do was acknowledge that human fallibility scales uo the larger the human organization and he wouldn't be criticized.
Sam lost all my respect during Covid.
Before Covid, Sam was a neocon trying to start wars with the middle east
The creator of Islam was a warlord who killed, dominated or force converted all who would not submit to Allah. It’s called a religion of peace as propaganda. The only peace it will bring is when all humanity is dominated by its rule. That’s how it defines peace.
Spot on
What is the inquisition?
@@Jay-kk3dvYes, but Islam never had a reformation and so is still stuck in the 13th century
Correct!
I miss Sam in a way I used to listen to his meditations, his inability to admit he was wrong keeps me from his content
Shellenberger and Bret are two of the most honest brokers. Keep up your great work… we greatly appreciate you.
Sam Harris has lost all credibility. His cowardly behavior during covid did it for me.
Harris thinks, wittingly or unwittingly, that if you disagree with him then obviously you're wrong. Duh! If you agree with him, then you belong to the 'rational society' who sees the world from a truly objective perspective and therefore correct. Get it? And of course Sam is the paradigmatic model of the rational person who apparently has this uncanny ability to make truly rational choices while the rest of us are under the illusion that we're like him, but Sam knows we're not. Get it?
When you listen to Sam long enough, he never says anything profound. He's no Jordan or James or VDH, these men give you food for thought.
Brains from the Thunderbirds is silly and wrong on Islam.
hello pringle. if you lived in mecca with muhammad what would have convinced you that the supreme being picked him to be a prophet in the jewish tradition? as opposed to a crazy man or a con man?
@georg God didn't pick himeh8937
Michael Shellenberg is great. His philosophy is basically, stop freaking out all the time. I love it.
Years ago, when Sam began explaining to those of not in the field all the new things that contradicted and refuted what I believed, it was a tough blow. (What you can't just try a little harder and study a little longer? This is America, damn it!) I considered what he and some others said because he was reasonable and seemed thoughtful. He was honest.
Now, I just can't be bothered with him -- or Arnold Schwarzenegger. However demeaning to Sam to lump him in with Arnold, they are the same because in their own ways, they told all us of what they think of all of us, and worse, what they think of the : "F**k your rights!" Oh, really? And in Sam's case, f**k anything associated with orange men, an additional hysterical movement for him. And how did it happen, given he makes decisions based on evidence?
I can't get past his immature behavior and abandonment of the most sacred principles. I cannot trust anything he has said for the last several years. It is unlikely I will trust him ever again.
Same with me... well said on BOTH!
Maybe you should reconsider the things you believed him to be telling the truth about early on?
@@DMilbury I considered and reconsidered back then. Nothing has happened since to change my mind on that stuff.
@@chipcook5346 What I should have said is maybe you should reconsider if what he said is true, not if he is telling the truth. I think Harris believes what he says is true, I just think he is wrong on a lot of things he says.
What issues do you think he was right about when you listened to him in the early days?
"astonishing in its simplicity and childlike nature" - this is an apt description. he's one of those childish antitheists who think they figured out all the mysteries of existence when they stopped believing in Santa Claus.
isn't it precious that he thinks "Islam can be a religion of peace and love?"...just shows how little he actually knows.
Sam states that Islam is a collection of bad ideas.
Islam by its very nature is political, perverted and cruel
@@serioustoday Sam is basically correct, and then...
Islam, as expressed in the Koran, is not a nice religion at all.
The people on the other hand, vary quite a bit (I've been there). They have evil, but also good. Cheaters, and honorable men. As a people they represent the rich panoply of differences you see in your own neighbors. I know.. I've known many from there.
People aren't books, and there are never enough true believers in ANY church. I'm sure we all know this about Western Culture.. it is in the Middle East also!
@@rbarnes4076 I agree.
Wow, Michael really laid it on the line about Harris! Amazing talk.
I like Sam Harris but his world view is not substantiated by the actuality of Human Nature
I use Sam Harris on RUclips to fall asleep. I can’t listen to his monotone voice for more than a few minutes before I fall asleep.
Sam stacks the deck and deals off the bottom.
You are right about that Islam can be Peaceful. It can be as peaceful as death itself.
Just like all the Abrahamic religions 👍🏻
Is Sam Harris always correct? Obviously not, nobody is... but he is certainly one of the more interesting "intellectuals" of our time. I certainly enjoy hearing his "worldview", regardless of whether I agree with it... or not.
We seem to be living in a world where if a person says one thing or takes one viewpoint someone disagrees with they must be completely annexed and maligned. This is the thing that most concerns me about today’s society and it is a behavior on the left and the right.
I wish Bret and Sam would stop talking about each other and start talkig to each other.r
I wished for the same, especially in 2021. But that ship has largely sailed. And Brett has been vindicated.
Sam will not do that.
Shellenberger loved the end of faith? It's built on cherry picked history and anecdotal events. It's the crudest propaganda. If he can't see that, he should check his own world view.
My son in law is a huge fan of Sam Harris and he sent me some of what he wrote. Ok, it was interesting, but two things I took issue with was what I saw as his stance on lying and free will. I wondered if I had read it correctly, that all lying was bad and we had no free will. I asked, 'Then it was bad to lie to the Nazis if you were hiding Jews?', from his reading, yes. As for free will, I said that if that were the case, how can a criminal be convicted of a crime if they had free will to do it or not? Later, it seemed I heard Harris say that the world would be better off if we just let the 'experts'/scientists, run things. Well, the 'experts' don't always agree, nor do the scientists. And what constitutes an 'expert'? Them saying they are? That would be the logical fallacy of "Appeal to authority" "In an appeal to authority, the arguer claims an authority figure’s expertise to support a claim despite this expertise being irrelevant or overstated." So, Sam Harris may be a world renown neuroscientist, and extremely intelligent, but that doesn't make him an authority on every day life, faith, morals, business, politics, etc.
A perfect example of how intelligent does not translate to wisdom.
Ironically, for someone who denies free will, he’s one of the most moralistic intellectuals on the planet!
Completely incorrect reading of his take
Sam Harris is a great example of why you should not practice meditation outside of the spiritual framework of Buddhism.
@@StimParavane that's a weird take, but I'm interested in what you mean by that. I'm not too familiar with Buddhism other than some basic details so pardon my ignorance on the subject. If you have time what's the main difference between meditation through the spiritual framework of Buddhism vs. other kinds of meditation?
Sam Harris is a great example of why you should not practice meditation outside of the spiritual framework of Buddhism.
Really? Can you expand on that, if you wouldn't mind. I have practiced Zen, Vipassana but largely stick to and teach secular mindfulness.
lol….right, I’ll take life lessons and spiritual teaching from the RUclips comments section.
@@RollingStockChallenge Only if they make sense and are practical. For example, learn Buddhist meditation because it comes with an ethical framework and thousands of years of experience. It also has masters who have already walked the path and can give you guidance. Sam Harris is the opposite.
All those guys on the circuit JP, Sam etc have overreached themselves in a lot of topics. They had to, to keep it going. The only one that has stayed on course is Matt. Look at JP's ranting on Shapiro's daily wire and recent videos, he's completely lost.
how can isalm be a religion of peace and love?
Study the Sufi mystics.
@user-nh8zt9wl3c So everyone who claims that islam is not peaceful are ignorant about islam?
@user-nh8zt9wl3c ok, no doubt your prophet was good guy and peace was his mission.
I can endure a long explanation from someone - in a podcast or book - if I know that at the end I will be better off for putting in the 'work' to understand. Sam tests that to no end.
Sam 'convinces' people by waging a verbal-war-of-attrition.
I think he could talk about the ingredients on a shampoo bottle for 3 hours - and by the end, you just throw your hands in the air and say, "Fine....whatever you say is true...just ..... *please* .....stop talking."
The slam has been broken from its inception
Let's dive deeper into the implications of embracing a "both/and" perspective over an "either/or" perspective, and how the concepts of non-contradiction, contradiction, zero, and non-zero relate to this shift.
At its core, the "both/and" perspective is about recognizing and embracing the intrinsic diversity, complementarity, and even paradoxicality of reality. It rejects the notion that existence can be reduced to any single, monolithic, either/or description or formal system. Instead, it sees the universe as a complexly interwoven, holistically entangled pluriverse whose true character can only be captured by a multiplicity of partial, context-dependent, and even seemingly contradictory models and perspectives.
In this view, the deepest truths are not found in starkly binary, mutually exclusive oppositions, but in the nuanced, relational, and often tensional interplay between apparent polarities. Light is both wave and particle. Quantum entities are both localized and non-localized. Mind and matter are both distinct and inseparable. The challenge is to develop meta-frameworks that can accommodate and integrate these "both/and" realities rather than artificially forcing them into "either/or" boxes.
This is where the concepts of non-contradiction, contradiction, zero, and non-zero come into play. In classical logic and mathematics, the principle of non-contradiction (PNC) states that contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time. This leads to an emphasis on eliminative either/or thinking - if proposition A is true, then not-A must be false, and vice versa.
However, as we've seen, quantum phenomena like entanglement and superposition seem to directly violate PNC by exhibiting behavior that is "both/and" - e.g. an electron being in a superposition of both spin-up and spin-down states until measured. This suggests that, at the most fundamental level, reality is not beholden to naive either/or PNC but has an intrinsically paradoxical both/and character.
Similarly, in classical mathematics, zero and non-zero are treated as mutually exclusive, either/or categories. An element is either zero or not-zero, never both. But in more exotic formalisms like wheel theory, complex numbers, and non-standard analysis, zero can take on a much more nuanced, both/and character. Infinitesimals, for instance, are non-zero quantities smaller than any standard real number yet still "zero-like" in many respects. Centering the primacy of such both/and zerological thinking may be key to developing the more sophisticated, contradiction-tolerant meta-formalisms needed for quantum gravity and consciousness.
Ultimately, I believe the path forward lies in embracing PNC and zero as regulative ideals and departure points for inquiry rather than as absolute either/or laws. We should strive to minimize and isolate contradictions in our models while still recognizing that, at the deepest levels, reality has an irreducibly perspectival, both/and, and even zerological character that will never fully fit into pure either/or PNC boxes.
The goal should be to develop meta-mathematical and meta-physical frameworks that elegantly integrate both/and and either/or thinking, both zero and non-zero ontologies, in a way that "locally" obeys PNC and zero/non-zero distinctions while still "globally" embracing the deeper both/and and zerological polyphony of existence. Category theory, homotopy type theory, and structural realism are showing great promise as formal meta-langs for this kind of nuanced, contradiction-tolerant yet still maximally coherent model-building.
So in summary, transcending naive either/or thinking in favor of nuanced both/and thinking is not about abandoning PNC or zero, but about contextualizing them within a broader, more flexible meta-framework that can accommodate reality's intrinsic diversity, complementarity, and paradoxicality. It's about learning to think in terms of spectra, holisms, and strange loops rather than simplistic binary oppositions or exclusions.
Centering this both/and approach will be essential for developing better physical, mathematical, and conceptual languages for navigating the quantum-relativistic-conscious interplexities ahead while still preserving locality and consistency. Far from mere poetic handwaving, it's fast becoming an inescapable formal imperative for unlocking the next level of humanity's cosmic comprehension. An authentically integral metacosmic vision now demands nothing less than a zerological, PNC-savvy yet contradiction-tolerant omnijectivity.
I hope you cut and pasted that from another document and didn't type it all here specially for this comment thread 😂
Either that or ai wrote it.
The “in summery” and/or “in conclusion” thing while sometimes written by humans is an ai dead giveaway. I expect to see many overly verbose comments these days. .
Blah blah blah..analytical thought after a short distance takes one nowhere...and often becomes entertainment and then you get these vidoes just more of the same. One thinks we are getting somewhere..but there is nowhere to get too. It's really an escape as we can't face silence, spending serious time alone ...at least attemptng to drop our mental baggage and ease this disease all humans have called overthink....
Bret, why is your brother in contact with Renee Diresta?
still with the enmity?! jeeez
Between TDS and a bit of the woke mind virus Sam has lost most all perspective.
Never trust the insights of someone who must deny the existence of free will just to make the rest of their philosophy work.
Good clip!
How old is this?
Two of my faves in same place. Omg! ❤
Yes.
samadhi overrides and negates hume
and we now know the neural correlates for concentration and attention
but this doesnt mean sam has it...he doesnt
I like the glasses from V.
4:50 Wake up, people!
I used to really like Sam. But, his TDS preceded his generalized megalomania in believing that he knows more than experts bc he read the paraphrasing propaganda of other experts. He also did 5 episodes on the "dangers of white people" as a means of attacking Trump? Trump voters..? When the rates of violence if parsed out by 'group' .... if one were to focus on the "groups who are most dangers" would've suggested a slight variation on his episodes.
I can understand criticizing the 🍊 and even not liking the guy, but his TDS has caused his brain to fall out.
@@amibrainwashed Exactly. I disliked trump when I was already thinking he'd gone nuts.
He STILL THINKS that "Pooty-Poot" stole the 2016 election -- and still operates off that illusory truth.
@@amibrainwashed he had a Religion Derangement Syndrome long before he caught TDS;
people who put his recent failings on account of Trump are being too charitable with Sam; that's who he always was, Shellenberger describes it pretty well
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ this episode is dedicated to humor and tinkling
I wonder what exactly it is that makes my back hurt so much all the time when everyone else i know doesnt have that problem
Superficial humian bs. You don't derive non-socrates facts from socratic facts, so what's the big is-ought bs about?
Knowledge is fundamentally INDUCTIVE
Who is the guy dressed up as a nerd?
Mike Shellenerder
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ This is like Billy Madison linking a puppy with economics.
We have lost our way 😂
I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul 😂
No doubt two of the most sensible thinkers. Break down arguments masterfully and understandably.
Who doesn't have a flawed worldview? Nobody has a perfect worldview, least of all Brett Weinstein. Schellenberger's rant only showed that he really hasn't paid any serious attention to Sam's defence of his moral philosophy. The Hume objection has been raised and addressed so many times now. Does Schellenberger also think that Derek Parfit's realism is 'childish' or 'ignorant of the last 300 years of philosophy?'
The Buddha had a perfect worldview.
The opposite is mo freedom
I agree that there were beautiful mystics that originated in the Islamic areas, like Rumi and Khayyam. However, they could not be called Muslim based on their poetry - they had definitely transcended the limitations of their cultural restrictive religion. Get real and honest! How can Islam possibly a religion of peace with hateful and violent propagating verses like Quran - CH5: 33 and CH9:29? Really! Please explain otherwise! This early comment really stopped me from listening any further!
Sam Harris is calling!!!😂
Strawmanning his postions.
sam harris for pingtr1p!
Omg! I'd love to see that!
The title of this video and the outrage rant by Michael will certainly get this views. Everyone likes a good rant. But his condescension and dismissal of Harris as childlike was absurd. Brett started out talking about Sam Harris and drifted off into some conspiracy theory, I’m being followed by the CIA Drift, that lost me completely.
The comments here seem to follow the either or, pro or against camps. Numerous comments of he lost me at or his TDS, which is such a silly concept to this day. It’s bizarre that adults still hold to it. But everyone seems to want to be self righteously right and in the end I’m not sure how many have even read Sam Harris‘s book the moral landscape to know what he actually said.
At no time does Harris claim that the last 300 years of philosophy based on Humes “you cannot derive an art from an is has held society at bay from progressing on an agreed, rational discourse. Instead, we have been captured by theocratic empires and the emotional and egotistical wars of aristocracies authoritarians, and the emotional decisions of elites.
I take too many chances and forget where i put them
Hsrris is a Calu guru. Not groivy anymore.
Hume has been debunked.
by who?
@@stevensmith5873 McIntyre and other contemporary philosophers
@@scytale6 really? and who debunked McIntyre? "debunked" is a propagandistic term used largely by the regime apologists, that's not how things work in the world of ideas; Hume has a huge body of work, nobody debunked him; grow up
@@bogdanpopescu1401 Perhaps debunked isn't the best word. He's still part of a (partially) discredit enlightenment tradition.
@@scytale6 McIntyre has been debunked by Thalenius in "The Reclamation of Empiricism: A Refutation of the Refutation of Hume"
I don’t know why he’s even taken seriously
This would have been a bit better if Michael had looked down to read his texts yet a few more times, while Bret was talking. I don't think 3 times was enough.
Not mention the phone actually ringing a couple times
How rude switch the phone off
It was coming in over the computer
My impression of Sam is not that he's been "taken advantage of by grifters," but that he's in on the grift.
Sam’s childhood must have been suffocating
A "journalist" tearing down science how nice.
tearing down science? you understood nothing; Sam is not science, and neither is Fauci
@@bogdanpopescu1401 Science is imperfect you still have to use your brain.
@@tgrogan6049 agree; so why don't you?
Sam Harris? Meh. But these two rightwing grifters are really tedious. Weinstein is the master of smug. Schellenberger is in over his head. The clerk at Lenscrafters won the in-house bet that they’d never sell those eyeglass frames.
You must hate Hebrews. You're added to the list.
Why do you guys care what Harris believes....who the f cares he's not an omniscient star trek character?
Because Sam attacked Bret regularly during Covid, in the worst terms.
A fish can try and disprove water. An atheist is much more ignorant. Would u say reality isn’t real. If you say there is no god it means the same thing because nothing is separate.
God is such a buzzword. People hate certain terms and identity with synonyms for terms they hate.
Because there are millions if not hundreds of millions of Sam Harris and Renee Diresta in the world.
@@TylerJacobson-ux7oo Well, someone didn't learn anything about humility.
Another over-intellectual bullsh-tter. Bla, bla, bla..... Whatever your views on Sam Harris - this hot air is hot air.
I challenge any listener to try to actually understand the rantings of these two people.
I gave up after a few minutes just based on his monotonal smug attitude. Obnoxious.
Shellenberger is right on Sam, I understand very well what he's saying
You casually dismiss Sam’s ‘From Rationality to Morality’.
So, you subscribe to -
‘Morality from Totally Evidence-Absent God’, or ‘Morality From Non-Rational Emotion’?
Your ‘Scientific approach’? to Morality is irresistibly cogent & convincing.
Give me Sam on this any day.
"Sam (Harris) has very wrong core world view."😅😅😅😅😅😅
Boy, oh boy…
What else?
I thought, Mr Harris was one of the most articulate, clever, cool, and rational…utterly rational men alive.
Now…
One of us is dead wrong.
I wonder which…
He might be articulate, but he certainly is not clever, cool, or rational.
@@amibrainwashed
And that makes you a fool. Sorry.
Harris like all of us has strong and weak points and the latter are those that are being discussed above.
yes, he's capable to rationalize the most insane ideas
@@bogdanpopescu1401
I, quite a few times witnessed…how he made J. Peterson look like a fool, with his simple rational reasoning.
The guy is a rationalist.
No religious dudes, no dogma or its gods…stand upright against rationality.
Two Jews criticizing a jew
Sam is not Jewish.
@@synewparadigm Yes he is, it's common knowledge. On his mom's side.
Between Rogan, B Weinstein, and Sam Harris, the only one I still respect and like is Harris.
I view/classify Rogan different since he's not an intellectual like Bret or Sam. But I get where you're coming from and agree 100% on Bret. Bret was audience captured in 2020 and was incorrect about so many things with covid and vaccines.
I will disagree with Sam on things but I respect Sam for calling out the Woke Left and the bullshit from Trump/Maga Right and the rising conspiracy theorists profiting off RUclips, Substack etc.
@rpeck2832 I just remember around 2019 being a fan of both Weinsteins, Rogan, Harris, and the rest of the intellectual dark web. Rogan yes wasn't as smart but he provided the common man take. The saddest thing with Rogan for me isn't that he disagreed about how covid was handled, it's that after a lot of the left got upset with him he went full out Right wing. I don't think he has had any left wing guests on in over a couple years. I have always loved Harris' views in religion and after hearing his view on Israel I have absolute respect for him..Harris and Bill Maher to me are two of the only common sense people on the left I still like. It's sad seeing so many people I used to respect have such a horrible take on Gaza/Israel.
@@colirino I agree with everything you said. Rogan and Bret have been embraced by many on the Trump Right. That's why in my opinion many on the right hate on Sam so much and claim he has TDS. Many of these Trump supporters hate the Woke Left so much (I hate the Woke Left too) they give a pass and ignore all the problems and damaged Trump has caused. If I lived in the 20s and 30s I would have hated the Communists, but I would not of given the fascists a pass because of my hatred of the commies.
@@colirino I agree about the whole Israel/Hamas and Palestine. I do support Israel because of the history and knowing Hamas and radical Islam is the real problem. I do think Israel needs to stop with the settlement bs in the West Bank though.
i'll go with Sam- i have no idea what your talking about.
If you came to hear Bret don't bother because glasses guy never shuts up
Sam might have been to outspoken on the theory of "elitism" must always be trusted in crisis, no matter how stupid they behave, but apart from that Sam is the real deal and you guys sound like two 14 year old girls complaining about their strict parents.
Sam Harris is right. They are wrong
Love Sam Harris and I don’t even agree with him on Palestine but The body language on these 2 guys. The scowls on their face. Conservative Reactionaries with a sprinkle of conspiracy.
That is a dumb analysis. Scowls on their faces, really???
@@thomassenbart They are obnoxious prigs who are a waste of time. They are both legends in their own minds, whatever the subject may be.
Whatever you think of their points here they’re certainly not conservatives. Centrists at best. Both came from the left. Shellenberger was a Marxist back in the day.
It’s called an observation not analysis.
@@Lobishomem The observation is dumb.
This is just name calling and bitching. Nothing of substance.
love sam harris, didn't used to but now I do
I’m the opposite. Though I agree with him on Islam.
Sam's ego and immaturity are unacceptable. He needs to be humbled by a traumatic event, like losing his job, or losing a war, or being put on trial for pushing anti-human bullshit that he pushed at the behest of the regime.
Apart drom his Islamophobic throw off line which displays zero understanding of Islam and history I would concur with Shellenberger although I feel he didn't go far enough in his criticism. Harris as far as I'm concerned is a mere opportunistic popularist bereft of any real intellectual or moral core. Self obcessed and deluded, hate filled and superior, Harris has nothing of any gravity to say about anything except to, without the slighted bit of evidence, criticize the things he doesn't understand. That is far as I can see, having listened to him, a lot of the very subjects he pontificates about.
@@mdgprogrammer so your a big fan of Harris.