You don't get it. Grinding 9 books then running Aurum Vale 40 times is perfectly acceptable. At most 3 hours of quests? Unacceptable, unreasonable to ask of someone.
@@brandonn161 problem is not only those quests that I have to go through. Now i have all that shitty trials unlock. I groan every time hidibrand trial show up when I do daily
that's the thing though is there's also plenty of the player base like myself who were already caught up on Hildy just for enjoying the content. So for me and any other Hildy enjoyers the EW relic is literally just the tomes bc I was going to do any of the Hildy content anyway.
I think it's only an issue if it's tied to some other content, like the relic grind we got for EW. If it's just its own thing, I don't see the problem, since Hildi's questlines are pretty much just cutscenes and dialogues.
Please do not call it a 'relic grind' when it's just a handout for doing the same shit you do every day anyway. It's not a grind, it's boring and could have been used as a way to keep people interested in V&C content.
@@sadmiqoxiv This has nothing to do with my point. And I never said it was good to begin with. Besides, everyone use this term to refer to relic content, so whether you like it or not, don't take it out on me please.
what? Eureka, Bozja and variant ARE casual content. Just because you dont personally 'LIKE' the content, it does not mean that its not casual content. I personally HATE island sanctuary, but guess what, it is 'CASUAL' content. Its not fun but im not going to call it something that it isn't. The only non-casual content in any of those are BA, DRS and Criterion Savage, which are not a requirement in of that content. @@anteprs7908
@@sadmiqoxivyou clearly not a casual but raider . ANY FORM OFF LONG TIME REQUIREMENT AND CHALLANGING CONTENT AND ANTI SOLO CONTENT IS NOT CASUAL CONTENT IT ETHER MIDCORE OR HARCORE . A CASUAL PLAYER NEVER I MEAN NEVER SEEK LONG GRINDLY AND CHALLANGING CONTENT BECAUSE TO BE A CASUAL YOU NEED 3 THING A CASUAL MINDSET(play for fun or to relax) ,RUN CASUAL CONTENT and TIME YOU WISH TO INVEST i know you never hear of casual,midcore and hardcore labels but eureka and bozja are midcore content with deep dungs, normal raids(depend on the raid ),variant dungs and extreme trails. Casual content is normal trails, normal dung ,allaince raids (depend on the raid too),crafting,island santuary and housing. Hardcore content is ranked pvp ,savage and ultimate raids and crit dungs.
@@thepainsight I had known about Hildebrand before starting the game, and just felt like that type of humour wasn't for me. So I basically did every quest line except that one while leveling.
I mean I love hildi, but isn't this issue more to do with the relic itself? Not like it's the hildibrand questline's fault that they put the relic behind it.
@@Puduck1er godbert needed to be involved at SOME point considering he is a crafter, otherwise he would be a waste of a character, the twist of it was something i dident see coming but it's valid considering what we know about FF14 universe.
@@Puduck1er I believe our friend here meant that if the relic wasn't tied to the Hildy questline, but only to, say for example, the island or variant/criterion dungeons, noone would have a problem with the Hildy questline
@@The_Remageif I was forced to do variant or criterion I20 times for a relic I would rather just kill myself now, the content is boring as fuck doing the same run over and over for slight changes… gosh that’s just boring, give me a reason to do my daily roulettes to help others grind out levels anyday
no1 wants forced content, that is the issue. you enjoy it? great, i think its so badly written, slapstick humour that i can't stand it. and it's forced on me.
I know right? People that like Hildebrand would still get Hildebrand quests. People that are arguing against an expedition zone piece of content like Bozja/Eureka are simply asking the devs to make less content for the game and are happy with that. Genuinely these people are the problem with the FF14 community.
@@Tylendel_ By that logic everything in the game is forced content. If you want to do TOP for example you have to complete the MSQ and do P8S. That's forced upon you. You just have to deal with the fact that content is locked behind other content. If you are so opposed to "forced content" then have fun running around Gridania at level 1.
This opinion is so weird. YOu cans smash hildibrand in a few hours by skipping if you don't like it and just do a few fights. And somehow eureka, bozja, HW grinds, "This is okay to grind, but making me do hildibrand is TOO MUCH."
This tbh. I have friends who never did relics for ShB bc they hated Bozja. There will always be someone who hates what the relics requires you to do. You can’t please everyone 😅
You could make this argument about any of the side content. I'm not a fan of Eureka/Bozja content, but I have to do it if I want the relics. 90% of Hildibrand is cutscenes. Even if you think it's a waste of time, you could finish all of Hildibrand in one play session by skipping. I sure as hell can't do that with Eureka.
I don't really see the issue with how Hildibrand is put out. While that's mostly because I'm part of the group that loves the story so i went through it naturally it's also because as far as i can recall it's all an optional thing that just unlocks other optional stuff. I'm sure you don't need the Endwalker relic but if you want it then going through is quests is honestly one of the better relic grinds. If i had to choose going through the ARR relic grind again vs Hildibrand quests, I'd take Hildibrand in a heartbeat.
@@HyouVizer The Hildibrand questline is a story. It makes complete sense to ask for someone to start from the beginning of a story instead of just having them skip to the end. If you think it’s a waste of time because you aren’t interested in the story then that’s fine. Acknowledge that you won’t get everything from doing the quests and go do what you are interested in and remember that it’s fine to do that because all of it is optional in the first place.
Im glad you ebjoy it at least its really not all that bad and I like the hilarious and silly side of things. Like its just some comedy relief, and if people don't want to do then don't.
The problem with Hildy is that it starts off great in ARR, HW Hildy is alright, and then it's kind of a drag in SB. However, it REALLY picks up in EW, that's some of the best Hildibrand content in general. Taking a break from it really allowed the writers to come up with better ideas.
Its not anti casual content. Its content you are suppose to do over months. If you have content that someone can just complete in 2-3 hours and be done with it then you end up with nothing left to do. Literally just running your alliance roulettes guaranteed you to finish 2/3 of the Bozja relic because there were 4 months between the next step.@@anteprs7908
@@Anedime yes it is because there are no bis weapona for casual.eureka and bozja is lumited content for at best 15% of the playerbase just BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE THAT NOT EVERBODY CAM GET RELIC DOESNT MEAN YOU GOT POINT.mostppl love hildebrand you not liking isnt a good arguement i get that you care only for challange but you are a irrelavant compaired to the 85% casusl who want some to grind easy and have fun doing it and not BE FORCE TO DO YOUR CONTENT the same way YOU cry now bring force to do OUR content.
@anteprs7908 By your own logic you claim that casuals don't care about savage or extremes. So why does it matter to casuals about being able to get a bis weapon? You're just butthurt lmfao.
@@nubitynub1757 they dont care for it they gather the bis gear for causals becuase is simple and nice grind that gives them a reason to do daily and log beside chatting with freinds it not hard f course not all care . some ppl dont need the great but want it for glam i understand your sad raier mind cant understand that . i myself have 660 item rating with relics 665 but i do it for the fun of it and for a reason to log .
no, its like being told you need to watch a series from the beginning first to before seeing this movie that doesnt have a full tie in from a different franchise entirely 🙃
dif is hildibrand is filler trash sidequest at least msq can be entertaining and skipped, were forced to do hildi every alt we make just to get a relic
Takes 3 hrs to get caught up if you start fresh and skip everything and teleport around. You can do it in 2-3 days in between waiting for daily roulettes as a DPS. I don't get the love nor the hate for it 🤷🏾♂️ it's "meh" for me and I'm not in love with it but after playing Genshin Impact, I'll never underestimate the value of being able to skip shit.
As someone who adores the Hildibrand quests, I actually agree 100%. Sure they've always had stuff locked behind them, but never anything as important as the relic weapon for an expansion. I enjoyed that it was just fun, silly content with no important rewards or unlocks tied to it, and it being necessary for the EW relic definitely sours it for me.
I love Hildebrand but hated that they tied it to a relic quest. Before it was a fun little side quest for some cosmetics but now they've made it a grind for the people that weren't interested in the quest since it's required for relic.
I guess this is more of a thing for me specifically, but one of the things that actually drew me to XIV initially was how good they were about perserving content and making sure you could experience everything, it's cool that the game didn't just rush you through the story so you could get to the current expansion as fast as possible cause there's still some value in everything they released even if it was 3 or 4 years ago. Of course this has kinda gotten less and less true as the game's gone on, but I appreciate that something like Hildibrand still exists as like, a continuous part of the game rather than just another piece of expendable content where you only have to care about the current stuff.
ok TBF, I think the decision of making Hildebrand quest line tie to Relic in EW is BAD. But to play the current Hildebrand, you need to complete all of its previous quest is GOOD. Like, why not?
You... would still get the Hildebrand content regardless of it being tied to the relic. You aren't getting any content you are simply choosing to have less overall content to be contrary to the popular opinion that the relic being tied to Hildebrand is a bad thing.@@anteprs7908
@@justwithpaper Just give the raid roleplayers a buy boost and everyone else can carry on enjoying the game. Free money for SE and skippers gonna skip.
The point was to make ppl unlock the trials bound to Hildi. The queues for them were over 40min long before EW now they are 5min. I say they succeeded in fixing the issue 😅. It sucks for ppl who hate this quest but personally I’m glad they finally put some motivation for ppl to do these.
While I enjoyed Hildebrand as comedic relief and a pallate cleanser, I understand aversions to it. If it functioned like the allied tribal quests from ARR to SB, then it would be leagues better. Those could be done in any order, and while I was confused while doing them, I still enjoyed them a lot.
You skip cutscenes so it is the point about using it. Remember when people said no grind? Hildebrand is the grind However I agree it shouldn't have been all of it
I personally liked the fact that this relic was tied behind a quest chain and tomes for a change this time around. Gave me a nice break from the game which I needed after playing so long and I avoided burnout before Dawntrail comes out. I know people missed the field operations and they will be back next expansion anyway but at the end of the day, there is always gonna be a portion of people who don't enjoy one or the other. People tell players who didnt enjoy field operations (for the relic grind) that its optional content, well so is Hildy. I like both anyway so doesnt matter to me and its just my personal opinion of course
For players like me who liked previous expac relics, this was basically a double slap in the face of having to do all the hildibrand and then having to spam max dungeons because, let's be real, most other content gives you a pittance of tomes. The whole point everyone says is "oh you can get the tomes doing content you enjoy" but the only other content i was doing at the time was P12S prog which, guess what, you don't get tomes for prog
@@anteprs7908 Where are you getting those numbers from? Personally, I enjoyed Bozja and Eureka since they had their own systems separate from the rest of the game. Eureka especially since it reminded me of when I used to play Maplestory lol. I'm taking a long break until there are at least two more expansions out, but the thought of more content like that being added makes me happy.
hildibrand is fine, and there is a reason due to mandervile origin, wich i am assuming you have skipped, personally, i did it at every expension since i needed something to break the MSQ a bit befor moving to the next bit, if it's not for you, then fine, don't go after relic weapons, bozja and eureka were not for me so i have gave up on those relic weapons. the bot issue is bigger then a silly questline, and the hatpocalyps for the shadowbringer races is a bigger issue, i honestly wish next expension relic weapons would be tied to an older quest chain or again hildibrand since they need to give people a reason to do all those optional quests.
Hey here's a solution. How about instead of making people do old content already in the game, you create NEW content that's improved and better from the years of experience they have making content? Why are we now arguing for less content?
I still remember my frustration when i find out that i needed to do the hildi questline to complete the blue mage book. Attach such a long questline to other content is really annoying sometimes.
The Hildebrand quest line takes only 3h if you skip everything and around 1 day if you want to watch all of the cutscenes. I don't get why this short time investment is too long but the same people complain if a lot of the content in this game is done in less than 3h. I don't get why they always talk about the Hildebrand quest line as if this content is as long as an entire expansion. Guys it's not that long get over it.
why is it a bad take? i agree with xeno, after doing the entirety of 2.0 hildibrand i just didnt feel like doing the rest until the new relics were announced and tied to hildibrand
I love hildy quests especially the 6.0 story for them but I agree with him. It is dumb to mix relic quest chain with another optional quest chain. They both should have stayed seperate. There was backlash during the LL when first announced too.
I hated grinding my ass off for both HW and ARR relics. It was so mind numbingly tedious and repetitive and I had to take frequent breaks to keep my sanity. It literally gave me headaches. But I put up with them because I REALLY wanted those weapons. If I can put up with that shit, you can put up with this shit.
Just skip it. You know how many WoW players bitched about having to watch 2.0 cutscenes from msq? Hildibrand IS a brand in the world of 14 and that’s the point. You’ll never be rid of him. And even if you do get rid of him in 4 years the community would just miss him again. He’s like Brian Griffin.
See? You thought the relic was disappointing compared to the grind of other relics, but really you have to survive all previous iterations of hildibrand to even get to the starting line XD
I started in the last patch of ARR, did 2 hildi quests and never touched it again. Tried to go back when the weapons were gated behind it and quite immediately. Terrible choice to gate the relics behind it in the first place.
I don't mind at all. I hope they keep doing more Hildibrand. I honestly don't get why people are so bitchy about Hildibrand when it's content you can just skip and stick to whatever strikes your fancy.
This is a video game, there's no such thing as mandatory content. But by that logic you'd be comfortable tying the raid tier, or ultimates to having completed Hildibrand as well? Not 'mandatory' in the slightest.
@@Nodnarb3do I mean, you don't need relic weapons to clear the current savage raid tier. You can buy off crafted gear off the MB to prog and you're golden. For ults I'm not entirely sure since I don't do ults but I'd bet savage weapons are a better choice than relics.
The sense of having to catch up is what makes it so unbearable. I just came back and I left at the start of Endwalker and yeah like he says even skipping it makes me depressed. It makes me think about how in life we only have finite time before we die and I'm having to spend a x amount of hours I have left on this earth slogging through this questline I care nothing about. I'll only look back in regret but hey atleast I got a weapon.
Yeah, the reason being is that players were complaining there was no content to do. So I guess they figured out alot of people have not done Hildebrand and they added the relics on this questline. Its the same for Omega content. Remember they were saying that you needed to complete this before finishing Endwalker. Plus during Endwalker patches they said you needed to complete all the Tribe Quests before 6.55 All this is to force players to do this content they don't want to do by promising them FOMO content.
People complain so much about every single thing like...if it makes them angry then I will also enjoy it even more too. Nothing ever satisfy these people and here I am not complaining and whining and just going with the flow.
hildibrand quests is entertaining and funny however the problem is it can be a major distraction when one's eager to hurry up and finish an expansion and move on to another expansion, also the dialogues of the main story quests are long and mercilessly time consuming enough but then they bombard the player with this inspector quests which then rapes the player with more cutscenes and dialogue where you're going between hahaha... okay enough already take me back to the main quest.
Disagree on this one. Its the same for any relic content. "i dont like X content, so why are you making me do it to get Y glamour" Then dont do it. i never finished Bozja, or Eureka. i stopped half way through the grind for my ARR relic. No one's making you get Manderville Relics. so dont. its just content you dont have to do if you dont like it.
Xeems is right. It sucks for players that don't like Hildebrand. As someone who fucking loves that goofy questline, it's awesome for me, but I can see how it would suck for some others.
The worst thing about this is what other future content will be released forcing me to go to old content before I can, let's say do a raid series. Highly disappointed in this
Hildi made me fall asleep. I dont get why people like it. I dont even think its voiced. I dont remember. Its a bore session. I dont get who keeps asking for this.
Yea just like ARR to SB relic their relic tie to their own expansion, shb relic has wierd case if you do stuff outside of the current expansion it'll take longer lol
It's only "really" bad if you neglected the whole questline the entire time. If you did Hildibrand quests from the begining or throughout your journey you'd be fine. Most players encouraged others to play through it even before the relic weapons was a thing so acting "surprisepikachu.jpg :0" that you had to play through it is like getting mad at having to do MSQ to get to current content Which tbf some here might believe doing MSQ is a waste of time if they just want to get to level 90 and do end game content. It's a similar mindset. Considering the fact people were complaining about there was no grind for the Relic weapons this time (which I agree with) playing through a quirky funny story you may have missed which you can easily solo at max level is a small ask.
No no you don't get to say this. The devs time after time have made it very clear that Hildebrand was a side story that was completely optional. Never once did they even HINT at it being required to do for any other system. Only to turn around in EW and say its tied to the relic because they lacked the resources to make an actual relic story/content specifically for the relic. Its highly likely we would have gotten the Hildebrand quests regardless of their tying in to the relic, they just thought it'd be easier on their workload to have them be attached together.
@@nubitynub1757 I have every right to say this. If you skipped out on hildibrand then there was your very minimal grind for the relic. If you did do hildibrand then it was noticeable the lack of grind. It has nothing to do with a hint and I'm not going to assume the intent of Square Enix. This content was encouraged to do by players themselves before the relic which is what I said. You had years to do them... And even if you did have to do them after ignoring them and all side content I assume... it's the smallest ask in the world. As I said it's the equivalent of not wanting to be railroaded by the MSQ so you can do all the raid content you want.
Does he mean doing this for the weapon? If not, why would you even do this story content in the first place if you don't like it? If yes, then for sure future content unrelated to Hildibrand should not be require you to play through it, BUT in EW case the weapon is literally called Manderville weapons, soooo... suffer.
Finally someone else understands my hatred for Hildibrand. Genuinely the most unfunny worthless content in the game that gave us 2 of the worst optional trials. Abysmal content.
my other issue with Hildi is that Yoshi literally says that Hildi takes up a good chunk of the budget, for something that's so divisive that you either absolutely love or, or absolutely despise it. Honestly, remove it and allocate those resources to more worthwhile content that isn't skipped by a good chunk of players because "i need to do this for my tome relic"
Yoshi literally says the devs love and want Hildi too. not to mention Hildi is a technical test for the devs to do stuff and the stuff what they learn they use for the other part of the game, so Hildi is vital to the DNA of the game.
An FF14 with no Hildy is no FF14 I ever want. I loved ShB, but damn didn't I despise having no Hildy to enjoy those 2+ years. But I think he's one of the best things to come out of this game. Not everyone agrees. Oh well. I hate the crappy grindy field exploration zones and will have to put up with it next expansion again. To each their own.
@@kmeanxneth although sure, I feel like the testing can be done in better ways, if it takes as much resources as he's claiming, then Hildi is a collosal waste of time. regardless if the devs "want" it or not, that's irrelevant, they don't make content because they want it, but because WE want it, because we end up playing it for the rest of said expansion. Feels like they can just re-allocate this and get people to just play around with animations, instead of wasting the majority of the resources on it.
You're not forced to play Hildibrand, you know :/. I don't understand why it's a problem that you have to play from 2.0 Hildibrand. It's an overarching story. Of course you have to start from episode 1.
they don't tie together at all, have them be their own thing in each expansion if we need to do them. A new player already has 400 things to unlock and do, i don't think people really consider how much a new player has to do and how overwhelming it might be for them.
Honestly if they're gonna force me to suffer through Hildibrand for like the 6th time, at least voice some of it. It's so boring and also less impactful they do all these decently animated cutscenes and have no voice acting. I feel a lot of the more emotional scenes, like Gigi's portrait, would feel more better with voices create a better impact of how the characters feel. Also, have lyrics in the actual ending themes instead of making me have to read the implied ones. (´＿｀。)ﾞ
I just never liked Hildibrand. My friend loved him, told me he was funny, and i played it, but very quickly it was becoming obvious the humor was just not for me. It's been near agony to click through all the bullshit because there are just *so many of the fucking quests* to go through per PATCH.
You still shouldn't have to be forced to do 2.0 content if you want a relic. Especially since the relic weapons are always bis when they are done. Xeno is right, it's a waste of the players time. Especially if they do not like hildibrand. Which there are some who despise him.
@@dragumkirisute1998 Can't say I feel sorry for anyone that doesn't like it when they can easily blow by it all in just a day or two while skipping the cutscenes when I DESPISE the field exploration zones and their grinds and have to do that garbage for relics, with no option to "just skip it" over the course of a couple of days.
Funny content bad. Only raiding worthwhile! Jokes aside I get the hate for hildibrand ONLY bcuz it’s tied to the current relic. But people treat hildibrand like it’s the reason job balance is fucked. It’s a funny side thing and no one said you have to complete it in a day 🤷♂️
At this point Im burned out with Hildi. Its just to much and not a funny side content anymore. The old Expansion Hildi quest could be done whenever you feel like doing them. No pressure, no need to hurry. But now you must do a quite long Hildi quest chain to get the relic. I want to relic, but am not in the mood to do Hildi, so all the quests have to be skipped and I will probably never be able to enjoy them.
"It's literally a waste of the player's time."
Well, now those people know how I feel about regular Relic grinding.
You don't get it. Grinding 9 books then running Aurum Vale 40 times is perfectly acceptable. At most 3 hours of quests? Unacceptable, unreasonable to ask of someone.
This is why the relic is through tomes, the grind is Hildebrand quests
It's not much of a grind when you can literally get caught up with Hildebrand in a couple of days by skipping the quest dialog and cutscenes.
@@brandonn161 problem is not only those quests that I have to go through.
Now i have all that shitty trials unlock. I groan every time hidibrand trial show up when I do daily
@@brandonn161still a grind getting their and getting tomestones for the relics
that's the thing though is there's also plenty of the player base like myself who were already caught up on Hildy just for enjoying the content. So for me and any other Hildy enjoyers the EW relic is literally just the tomes bc I was going to do any of the Hildy content anyway.
Raid sweats when they're expected to play the game they sub to
I think it's only an issue if it's tied to some other content, like the relic grind we got for EW. If it's just its own thing, I don't see the problem, since Hildi's questlines are pretty much just cutscenes and dialogues.
Please do not call it a 'relic grind' when it's just a handout for doing the same shit you do every day anyway.
It's not a grind, it's boring and could have been used as a way to keep people interested in V&C content.
@@sadmiqoxiv This has nothing to do with my point. And I never said it was good to begin with.
Besides, everyone use this term to refer to relic content, so whether you like it or not, don't take it out on me please.
@@sadmiqoxivto bad varaint,eureka and nozja are not casual focused or feeindly content son85% of player wouldnt have stuff to do
what?
Eureka, Bozja and variant ARE casual content.
Just because you dont personally 'LIKE' the content, it does not mean that its not casual content.
I personally HATE island sanctuary, but guess what, it is 'CASUAL' content. Its not fun but im not going to call it something that it isn't.
The only non-casual content in any of those are BA, DRS and Criterion Savage, which are not a requirement in of that content.
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@@sadmiqoxivyou clearly not a casual but raider . ANY FORM OFF LONG TIME REQUIREMENT AND CHALLANGING CONTENT AND ANTI SOLO CONTENT IS NOT CASUAL CONTENT IT ETHER MIDCORE OR HARCORE . A CASUAL PLAYER NEVER I MEAN NEVER SEEK LONG GRINDLY AND CHALLANGING CONTENT BECAUSE TO BE A CASUAL YOU NEED 3 THING A CASUAL MINDSET(play for fun or to relax) ,RUN CASUAL CONTENT and TIME YOU WISH TO INVEST i know you never hear of casual,midcore and hardcore labels but eureka and bozja are midcore content with deep dungs, normal raids(depend on the raid ),variant dungs and extreme trails. Casual content is normal trails, normal dung ,allaince raids (depend on the raid too),crafting,island santuary and housing. Hardcore content is ranked pvp ,savage and ultimate raids and crit dungs.
I mean the Hildy stuff always has stuff behind it, be it trials or collectables.
I only started in late Shadowbringer, but only found out Hildebrand had trials when I forced myself to complete the quests for the relics. Lol
@@SRFAA I just did all quests while leveling /shrug
@@thepainsight I had known about Hildebrand before starting the game, and just felt like that type of humour wasn't for me. So I basically did every quest line except that one while leveling.
I mean I love hildi, but isn't this issue more to do with the relic itself? Not like it's the hildibrand questline's fault that they put the relic behind it.
What do you mean "Questline's fault"? This is a bad SquareEnix decision, Hildibrand's questine isn't sentient...
@@Puduck1er godbert needed to be involved at SOME point considering he is a crafter, otherwise he would be a waste of a character, the twist of it was something i dident see coming but it's valid considering what we know about FF14 universe.
@@Puduck1erHmm that’s just what the quest line wants you to think…
@@Puduck1er I believe our friend here meant that if the relic wasn't tied to the Hildy questline, but only to, say for example, the island or variant/criterion dungeons, noone would have a problem with the Hildy questline
@@The_Remageif I was forced to do variant or criterion I20 times for a relic I would rather just kill myself now, the content is boring as fuck doing the same run over and over for slight changes… gosh that’s just boring, give me a reason to do my daily roulettes to help others grind out levels anyday
People wanting less videogame for their money will never not amaze me.
no1 wants forced content, that is the issue. you enjoy it? great, i think its so badly written, slapstick humour that i can't stand it. and it's forced on me.
@@Tylendel_ If I can endure Bozja, you can endure a questline that lets you skip cutscenes.
I know right? People that like Hildebrand would still get Hildebrand quests. People that are arguing against an expedition zone piece of content like Bozja/Eureka are simply asking the devs to make less content for the game and are happy with that. Genuinely these people are the problem with the FF14 community.
@@Tylendel_ By that logic everything in the game is forced content. If you want to do TOP for example you have to complete the MSQ and do P8S. That's forced upon you.
You just have to deal with the fact that content is locked behind other content. If you are so opposed to "forced content" then have fun running around Gridania at level 1.
@@Tylendel_ No it's not. Relic Weapons aren't required. Just skip them.
This opinion is so weird. YOu cans smash hildibrand in a few hours by skipping if you don't like it and just do a few fights.
And somehow eureka, bozja, HW grinds, "This is okay to grind, but making me do hildibrand is TOO MUCH."
so why is it ok? because something else is, ffxiv fans are the most deluded bunch of hostages i have even met i swear
This tbh. I have friends who never did relics for ShB bc they hated Bozja. There will always be someone who hates what the relics requires you to do. You can’t please everyone 😅
You could make this argument about any of the side content. I'm not a fan of Eureka/Bozja content, but I have to do it if I want the relics. 90% of Hildibrand is cutscenes. Even if you think it's a waste of time, you could finish all of Hildibrand in one play session by skipping. I sure as hell can't do that with Eureka.
I don't really see the issue with how Hildibrand is put out. While that's mostly because I'm part of the group that loves the story so i went through it naturally it's also because as far as i can recall it's all an optional thing that just unlocks other optional stuff. I'm sure you don't need the Endwalker relic but if you want it then going through is quests is honestly one of the better relic grinds. If i had to choose going through the ARR relic grind again vs Hildibrand quests, I'd take Hildibrand in a heartbeat.
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@@HyouVizer The Hildibrand questline is a story. It makes complete sense to ask for someone to start from the beginning of a story instead of just having them skip to the end. If you think it’s a waste of time because you aren’t interested in the story then that’s fine. Acknowledge that you won’t get everything from doing the quests and go do what you are interested in and remember that it’s fine to do that because all of it is optional in the first place.
@@HyouVizer And? like complaining that Savage is locked behind 2.0 > 6.x & normals mode story to access. All of XIV content is MSQ/Side story gated.
didnt touch or know about hilidi until i needed to for the relic and im glad they drew / forced attention to it, it was a lot of fun.
Im glad you ebjoy it at least its really not all that bad and I like the hilarious and silly side of things.
Like its just some comedy relief, and if people don't want to do then don't.
The problem with Hildy is that it starts off great in ARR, HW Hildy is alright, and then it's kind of a drag in SB. However, it REALLY picks up in EW, that's some of the best Hildibrand content in general. Taking a break from it really allowed the writers to come up with better ideas.
Yeah EW Hildibrand is just perfection.
My biggest issue is they locked the relic behind it. I don't think major content should be behind it.
They shouldnt be also behind anti casual content too like eureka and bozja or be 3 month grinds
Its not anti casual content. Its content you are suppose to do over months. If you have content that someone can just complete in 2-3 hours and be done with it then you end up with nothing left to do. Literally just running your alliance roulettes guaranteed you to finish 2/3 of the Bozja relic because there were 4 months between the next step.@@anteprs7908
@@Anedime yes it is because there are no bis weapona for casual.eureka and bozja is lumited content for at best 15% of the playerbase just BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE THAT NOT EVERBODY CAM GET RELIC DOESNT MEAN YOU GOT POINT.mostppl love hildebrand you not liking isnt a good arguement i get that you care only for challange but you are a irrelavant compaired to the 85% casusl who want some to grind easy and have fun doing it and not BE FORCE TO DO YOUR CONTENT the same way YOU cry now bring force to do OUR content.
@anteprs7908 By your own logic you claim that casuals don't care about savage or extremes. So why does it matter to casuals about being able to get a bis weapon? You're just butthurt lmfao.
@@nubitynub1757 they dont care for it they gather the bis gear for causals becuase is simple and nice grind that gives them a reason to do daily and log beside chatting with freinds it not hard f course not all care . some ppl dont need the great but want it for glam i understand your sad raier mind cant understand that . i myself have 660 item rating with relics 665 but i do it for the fun of it and for a reason to log .
does xenos realise msq is literally the same thing. lol
he doesnt lmao. the usual fppong take
no, its like being told you need to watch a series from the beginning first to before seeing this movie that doesnt have a full tie in from a different franchise entirely 🙃
dif is hildibrand is filler trash sidequest at least msq can be entertaining and skipped, were forced to do hildi every alt we make just to get a relic
@PuthySlayer69420 you can skip hild and just do the fights.
you overestimate how short the quests are if you skip everything, especially after 2.0
Takes 3 hrs to get caught up if you start fresh and skip everything and teleport around. You can do it in 2-3 days in between waiting for daily roulettes as a DPS.
I don't get the love nor the hate for it 🤷🏾♂️ it's "meh" for me and I'm not in love with it but after playing Genshin Impact, I'll never underestimate the value of being able to skip shit.
I don't need upgrades to be motivated to do Hildibrand quests. Their just too much fun.
As someone who adores the Hildibrand quests, I actually agree 100%. Sure they've always had stuff locked behind them, but never anything as important as the relic weapon for an expansion. I enjoyed that it was just fun, silly content with no important rewards or unlocks tied to it, and it being necessary for the EW relic definitely sours it for me.
Thst fine but the 85% casual player can benefit frim it and most of them love it unlike previous anti casual freindly relics
I love Hildebrand but hated that they tied it to a relic quest. Before it was a fun little side quest for some cosmetics but now they've made it a grind for the people that weren't interested in the quest since it's required for relic.
I guess this is more of a thing for me specifically, but one of the things that actually drew me to XIV initially was how good they were about perserving content and making sure you could experience everything, it's cool that the game didn't just rush you through the story so you could get to the current expansion as fast as possible cause there's still some value in everything they released even if it was 3 or 4 years ago.
Of course this has kinda gotten less and less true as the game's gone on, but I appreciate that something like Hildibrand still exists as like, a continuous part of the game rather than just another piece of expendable content where you only have to care about the current stuff.
ok TBF, I think the decision of making Hildebrand quest line tie to Relic in EW is BAD. But to play the current Hildebrand, you need to complete all of its previous quest is GOOD. Like, why not?
I think making relic tie to casual content is great it time casual get some content
You... would still get the Hildebrand content regardless of it being tied to the relic. You aren't getting any content you are simply choosing to have less overall content to be contrary to the popular opinion that the relic being tied to Hildebrand is a bad thing.@@anteprs7908
Of course the hard core raider thinks casual content is a waste of dev time
While he's entitled to his opinion, it has no weight at all considering he barely plays any kind of content outside of raids.
@@justwithpaper Just give the raid roleplayers a buy boost and everyone else can carry on enjoying the game. Free money for SE and skippers gonna skip.
>Clearly missed him saying to keep Hildebrand content but not have it be tied to the relic.
Please actually watch the video.
Still less of a grind than eureka and bozja
The point was to make ppl unlock the trials bound to Hildi. The queues for them were over 40min long before EW now they are 5min. I say they succeeded in fixing the issue 😅. It sucks for ppl who hate this quest but personally I’m glad they finally put some motivation for ppl to do these.
While I enjoyed Hildebrand as comedic relief and a pallate cleanser, I understand aversions to it.
If it functioned like the allied tribal quests from ARR to SB, then it would be leagues better. Those could be done in any order, and while I was confused while doing them, I still enjoyed them a lot.
You skip cutscenes so it is the point about using it.
Remember when people said no grind? Hildebrand is the grind
However I agree it shouldn't have been all of it
I personally liked the fact that this relic was tied behind a quest chain and tomes for a change this time around. Gave me a nice break from the game which I needed after playing so long and I avoided burnout before Dawntrail comes out.
I know people missed the field operations and they will be back next expansion anyway but at the end of the day, there is always gonna be a portion of people who don't enjoy one or the other. People tell players who didnt enjoy field operations (for the relic grind) that its optional content, well so is Hildy.
I like both anyway so doesnt matter to me and its just my personal opinion of course
It's only gonna end up being like the farming the old relics now and having to go and do those darn books that took forever
If you wanted a break from the game why not just take a break from the game?
For players like me who liked previous expac relics, this was basically a double slap in the face of having to do all the hildibrand and then having to spam max dungeons because, let's be real, most other content gives you a pittance of tomes. The whole point everyone says is "oh you can get the tomes doing content you enjoy" but the only other content i was doing at the time was P12S prog which, guess what, you don't get tomes for prog
PORTION BRO MOST PPL HATE EUREKA AND BOZJA MOST OF THE CASUALS AKA 85% HATE IT
@@anteprs7908 Where are you getting those numbers from?
Personally, I enjoyed Bozja and Eureka since they had their own systems separate from the rest of the game. Eureka especially since it reminded me of when I used to play Maplestory lol.
I'm taking a long break until there are at least two more expansions out, but the thought of more content like that being added makes me happy.
Yeah that makes sense. They should have just had the current line of Hildebrand quests be required.
They did make the current Hildebrand quest be the part that's required you just have to do the old ones to unlock the new ones
hildibrand is fine, and there is a reason due to mandervile origin, wich i am assuming you have skipped, personally, i did it at every expension since i needed something to break the MSQ a bit befor moving to the next bit, if it's not for you, then fine, don't go after relic weapons, bozja and eureka were not for me so i have gave up on those relic weapons.
the bot issue is bigger then a silly questline, and the hatpocalyps for the shadowbringer races is a bigger issue, i honestly wish next expension relic weapons would be tied to an older quest chain or again hildibrand since they need to give people a reason to do all those optional quests.
Hey here's a solution. How about instead of making people do old content already in the game, you create NEW content that's improved and better from the years of experience they have making content? Why are we now arguing for less content?
I still remember my frustration when i find out that i needed to do the hildi questline to complete the blue mage book. Attach such a long questline to other content is really annoying sometimes.
The Hildebrand quest line takes only 3h if you skip everything and around 1 day if you want to watch all of the cutscenes. I don't get why this short time investment is too long but the same people complain if a lot of the content in this game is done in less than 3h. I don't get why they always talk about the Hildebrand quest line as if this content is as long as an entire expansion. Guys it's not that long get over it.
Rare bad take from xeno
Care to elaborate?
why is it a bad take? i agree with xeno, after doing the entirety of 2.0 hildibrand i just didnt feel like doing the rest until the new relics were announced and tied to hildibrand
It's more like another based take from Xeno.
I love hildy quests especially the 6.0 story for them but I agree with him. It is dumb to mix relic quest chain with another optional quest chain. They both should have stayed seperate. There was backlash during the LL when first announced too.
It’s really not funny unless you’re under 14yo
I hated grinding my ass off for both HW and ARR relics. It was so mind numbingly tedious and repetitive and I had to take frequent breaks to keep my sanity. It literally gave me headaches. But I put up with them because I REALLY wanted those weapons. If I can put up with that shit, you can put up with this shit.
Just skip it. You know how many WoW players bitched about having to watch 2.0 cutscenes from msq?
Hildibrand IS a brand in the world of 14 and that’s the point. You’ll never be rid of him. And even if you do get rid of him in 4 years the community would just miss him again. He’s like Brian Griffin.
As an additional content, it's good to have, but I don't want devs force their works on this very much for the sake of other contents.
even his chat makes fun of him
See? You thought the relic was disappointing compared to the grind of other relics, but really you have to survive all previous iterations of hildibrand to even get to the starting line XD
I started in the last patch of ARR, did 2 hildi quests and never touched it again. Tried to go back when the weapons were gated behind it and quite immediately. Terrible choice to gate the relics behind it in the first place.
I don't mind at all. I hope they keep doing more Hildibrand. I honestly don't get why people are so bitchy about Hildibrand when it's content you can just skip and stick to whatever strikes your fancy.
This was true until they tied it to the current relic weapons.
@@Nodnarb3do Are relic weapons mandatory content?
This is a video game, there's no such thing as mandatory content. But by that logic you'd be comfortable tying the raid tier, or ultimates to having completed Hildibrand as well? Not 'mandatory' in the slightest.
@@Nodnarb3do I would be 100% comfortable with Hildiy being a requirement to do an ultimate
@@Nodnarb3do I mean, you don't need relic weapons to clear the current savage raid tier. You can buy off crafted gear off the MB to prog and you're golden. For ults I'm not entirely sure since I don't do ults but I'd bet savage weapons are a better choice than relics.
The sense of having to catch up is what makes it so unbearable. I just came back and I left at the start of Endwalker and yeah like he says even skipping it makes me depressed. It makes me think about how in life we only have finite time before we die and I'm having to spend a x amount of hours I have left on this earth slogging through this questline I care nothing about. I'll only look back in regret but hey atleast I got a weapon.
Yeah, the reason being is that players were complaining there was no content to do. So I guess they figured out alot of people have not done Hildebrand and they added the relics on this questline.
Its the same for Omega content. Remember they were saying that you needed to complete this before finishing Endwalker.
Plus during Endwalker patches they said you needed to complete all the Tribe Quests before 6.55
All this is to force players to do this content they don't want to do by promising them FOMO content.
i like hilde because it annoys streamer.
based
People complain so much about every single thing like...if it makes them angry then I will also enjoy it even more too.
Nothing ever satisfy these people and here I am not complaining and whining and just going with the flow.
Cries about wasting time, plays video games.
hildibrand quests is entertaining and funny however the problem is it can be a major distraction when one's eager to hurry up and finish an expansion and move on to another expansion, also the dialogues of the main story quests are long and mercilessly time consuming enough but then they bombard the player with this inspector quests which then rapes the player with more cutscenes and dialogue where you're going between hahaha... okay enough already take me back to the main quest.
you can literally replace "hildibrand" for 90% of the other content of the game and this video still makes sense.
Which other content makes you go all the way back to ARR, spend dozens of hours on an outdated unfunny quest line, just to play EW content?
@@Pikachu-qr4yb if you don't spend extra money msq, any job leveling from the start, crafting, gathering...
@@BrunoLopes-ou1gy that’s just core gameplay and it’s not outdated as they constantly update them to play better at lower levels. Try again.
@@Pikachu-qr4yb hildbrand doesn't need update because it's already perfect. Try again.
@@BrunoLopes-ou1gy perfection is objective. Primitive, low brow humor is far from that in my books.
Disagree on this one. Its the same for any relic content.
"i dont like X content, so why are you making me do it to get Y glamour"
Then dont do it. i never finished Bozja, or Eureka. i stopped half way through the grind for my ARR relic. No one's making you get Manderville Relics. so dont. its just content you dont have to do if you dont like it.
Good thing is call taste and we all got a different one :)
Xeems is right. It sucks for players that don't like Hildebrand.
As someone who fucking loves that goofy questline, it's awesome for me, but I can see how it would suck for some others.
The worst thing about this is what other future content will be released forcing me to go to old content before I can, let's say do a raid series. Highly disappointed in this
yeah i didn't give a shit about hildi after hw anymore. it's always the same.
the relic is optional content too though, you don't *have* to do anything :)
SameRant
Agree with Xeno 1000%
Hildi made me fall asleep. I dont get why people like it. I dont even think its voiced. I dont remember. Its a bore session. I dont get who keeps asking for this.
Yea just like ARR to SB relic their relic tie to their own expansion, shb relic has wierd case if you do stuff outside of the current expansion it'll take longer lol
It's only "really" bad if you neglected the whole questline the entire time.
If you did Hildibrand quests from the begining or throughout your journey you'd be fine.
Most players encouraged others to play through it even before the relic weapons was a thing so acting "surprisepikachu.jpg :0" that you had to play through it is like getting mad at having to do MSQ to get to current content
Which tbf some here might believe doing MSQ is a waste of time if they just want to get to level 90 and do end game content. It's a similar mindset.
Considering the fact people were complaining about there was no grind for the Relic weapons this time (which I agree with) playing through a quirky funny story you may have missed which you can easily solo at max level is a small ask.
No no you don't get to say this. The devs time after time have made it very clear that Hildebrand was a side story that was completely optional. Never once did they even HINT at it being required to do for any other system. Only to turn around in EW and say its tied to the relic because they lacked the resources to make an actual relic story/content specifically for the relic. Its highly likely we would have gotten the Hildebrand quests regardless of their tying in to the relic, they just thought it'd be easier on their workload to have them be attached together.
@@nubitynub1757 I have every right to say this. If you skipped out on hildibrand then there was your very minimal grind for the relic. If you did do hildibrand then it was noticeable the lack of grind. It has nothing to do with a hint and I'm not going to assume the intent of Square Enix. This content was encouraged to do by players themselves before the relic which is what I said. You had years to do them... And even if you did have to do them after ignoring them and all side content I assume... it's the smallest ask in the world.
As I said it's the equivalent of not wanting to be railroaded by the MSQ so you can do all the raid content you want.
I can’t believe people aren’t tired of Hildibrand after like 10 years. This shit isn’t funny anymore
Nether is raiding but ppl do it
You clearly don't lmfao so how would you know?@@anteprs7908
american complaining
nothing new mate
Does he mean doing this for the weapon? If not, why would you even do this story content in the first place if you don't like it? If yes, then for sure future content unrelated to Hildibrand should not be require you to play through it, BUT in EW case the weapon is literally called Manderville weapons, soooo... suffer.
Finally someone else understands my hatred for Hildibrand. Genuinely the most unfunny worthless content in the game that gave us 2 of the worst optional trials. Abysmal content.
I looooooove hildi
You hating Hildibrand proves you have no soul.
my other issue with Hildi is that Yoshi literally says that Hildi takes up a good chunk of the budget, for something that's so divisive that you either absolutely love or, or absolutely despise it.
Honestly, remove it and allocate those resources to more worthwhile content that isn't skipped by a good chunk of players because "i need to do this for my tome relic"
allocate assets for a butt slider
Yoshi literally says the devs love and want Hildi too.
not to mention Hildi is a technical test for the devs to do stuff and the stuff what they learn they use for the other part of the game, so Hildi is vital to the DNA of the game.
wym. we got hildi and eureka in stormblood.@NekoArcEnjoyer
An FF14 with no Hildy is no FF14 I ever want. I loved ShB, but damn didn't I despise having no Hildy to enjoy those 2+ years. But I think he's one of the best things to come out of this game. Not everyone agrees. Oh well. I hate the crappy grindy field exploration zones and will have to put up with it next expansion again. To each their own.
@@kmeanxneth although sure, I feel like the testing can be done in better ways, if it takes as much resources as he's claiming, then Hildi is a collosal waste of time.
regardless if the devs "want" it or not, that's irrelevant, they don't make content because they want it, but because WE want it, because we end up playing it for the rest of said expansion.
Feels like they can just re-allocate this and get people to just play around with animations, instead of wasting the majority of the resources on it.
i 100% agree with this too because the queue times for the trials are ABSOLUTELY NUTS
if you go as a healer or tank it’s not bad
GoodTake
not to mention they said Hildebrand cutscenes taking up a big part of the budget 😬
the team is having fun with it, that what counts, you wouldent want them to be soulless like western devs, right?
@@BloodKitten_ yeah, yoshi said they *want* to do it which is great I just don’t share their enthusiasm for Hildebrand content
Techniques used and developed for the Hildebrand questline get put back into regular cutscenes later on. It allows the team to go wild and have fun.
@@RedHeracross Aware but its still FUCK hildebrand 💯 hope this helps
@@Arimayne It didn't, but Hildebrand does help the game long term. Hope you stop being a child. Hope that helps.
I freakin hate it
You're not forced to play Hildibrand, you know :/. I don't understand why it's a problem that you have to play from 2.0 Hildibrand. It's an overarching story. Of course you have to start from episode 1.
they don't tie together at all, have them be their own thing in each expansion if we need to do them. A new player already has 400 things to unlock and do, i don't think people really consider how much a new player has to do and how overwhelming it might be for them.
Didn't find it funny, had avoided it all the way to EW.
Honestly if they're gonna force me to suffer through Hildibrand for like the 6th time, at least voice some of it. It's so boring and also less impactful they do all these decently animated cutscenes and have no voice acting. I feel a lot of the more emotional scenes, like Gigi's portrait, would feel more better with voices create a better impact of how the characters feel.
Also, have lyrics in the actual ending themes instead of making me have to read the implied ones. (´＿｀。)ﾞ
gotta be a doofus to find hildibrand funny
Proud doofus here NOCRINGE
Xeno don't know what good content is.
I just never liked Hildibrand. My friend loved him, told me he was funny, and i played it, but very quickly it was becoming obvious the humor was just not for me. It's been near agony to click through all the bullshit because there are just *so many of the fucking quests* to go through per PATCH.
there are literally 2 quests per patch since heavensward
Booo baldy opinion, we don’t care
second MSQ xdd
fppong it's not cute so it's waste of time
He's not wrong. Hildibrand fucking sucks lmao
WRONG! Hildibrand is the BEST thing to come out of this game. Bad take. Big L! Where's my Hildibrand spinoff game Square Enix???
You still shouldn't have to be forced to do 2.0 content if you want a relic. Especially since the relic weapons are always bis when they are done.
Xeno is right, it's a waste of the players time. Especially if they do not like hildibrand. Which there are some who despise him.
@@dragumkirisute1998 Can't say I feel sorry for anyone that doesn't like it when they can easily blow by it all in just a day or two while skipping the cutscenes when I DESPISE the field exploration zones and their grinds and have to do that garbage for relics, with no option to "just skip it" over the course of a couple of days.
Funny content bad. Only raiding worthwhile! Jokes aside I get the hate for hildibrand ONLY bcuz it’s tied to the current relic. But people treat hildibrand like it’s the reason job balance is fucked. It’s a funny side thing and no one said you have to complete it in a day 🤷♂️
As a cutscene skipper I second this.
truers it was a cringe torture and suffered every second of it
Shit take lol
At this point Im burned out with Hildi. Its just to much and not a funny side content anymore.
The old Expansion Hildi quest could be done whenever you feel like doing them. No pressure, no need to hurry.
But now you must do a quite long Hildi quest chain to get the relic. I want to relic, but am not in the mood to do Hildi, so all the quests have to be skipped and I will probably never be able to enjoy them.
You can make that exact same argument for the msq
It's really fuckin bad, i skipped most shit and it was still a pain in d ass
Cope
They shouldnt have mixed them together period. I like hildy, but it is dumb needing to start that quest chain from beginning in ARR.