socialism is when the government does stuff (reupload)
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I don't know whether the new music makes it more shitposty or less.
RUclips is worried about our hearing, next time use a suppressor!
right libertarians when the government doesn’t let them enslave children 😢
Leftoid cope
Crime is when criminals do stuff, and when you elect criminals...
That a video featuring an image of Hoppe got taken down due to copyright laws is oddly amusing.
Is Hoppe anti intellectual property?
@@sorcyboi2848 In short, yes. I'd recommend reading his thoughts on the matter. They are interesting regardless of where you come down on the issue.
@@sorcyboi2848 In shorter, ye
@@Nanofuture87 what articles/books etc. by him touch on þe matter? I'm very interested to learn his view.
“ Is erm oddly amusing 🤔 “ redditard
Dumb video. Wolf mainly advocates for worker owned cooperatives replacing traditional businesses. So he believes the employees should own companies they work at, not the government.
Don't try to tell these guys facts, bad idea.
That's really great! What a shame that it sadly has nothing to do with this video and you didn't adress the videos point whatsoever.
This has nothing to do with what the video is about.
But to entertain you, how will this ideal be achieved? When asked about this in a Shoho debate, he dodges the question. It's obvious why he's trying to seperate government from socialism. Despite the fact a goverment is the only way "the people (general public) has the means of production", as explained in this video.
So yes, goverment regulation is what he wants to reach this ideal. Thus, what he argues is still using force, a government, to achieve said goal.
There is no problem with starting your own co-op, but don't force it in the economy.
You do realize he is telling it ironically, right?
Jfc that guy has got to be on of most irritating "Economists". His lectures are about as incoherent and ridiculous as his socio-political beliefs.
I know right?
The guy acts like government is so good and anyone who says otherwise is wrong though it's actually him who is wrong.
Btw are you an ancap like me?
@@Cacowninja Yeah Im an AnCap lol. I saw the dude make an argument about how awesome Keynesian economics is. It's like ok this guy is an avowed Socialist and he thinks Keynes was a smart guy... the same guy whose policies helped lead to the great depression... the same guy who was a massive anti-Semitist supported Mussolini and supported Oswald Mosley the same 2 men whom FDR (Who this "Economist" also loves) emulated and got a lot of his economic ideas from. There's an infamous picture of FDR with his wife spending time with Oswald Mosley.
@@nicholasleclerc1583 Nietsche's sister blatantly edited his works to include her anti semitism which had nothing to do with Nietzsche's beliefs. John Maynard Keynes was a massive Anti-Semitist who admired Fascist Economic philosophy specifically Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini's contributionsbut I already explained everything in my previous comment. I'm simply trying to understand how a man who considered himself to be a Marxist thinker would praise a man like Keynes. Fascists and Marxists are diametrically opposed to eachother. Also I'm not a fan of Ayn Rand. I dont like how much she praised "Industrialists" as being these be all end all of men whom she considered to be the best of the best but somehow the poor who wished for things to be easier and less repressive she considered to be lazy parasites. It's not guilt by association when the people involved all knew eachother and were all influenced by eachother. FDR based some of his New Deal ideas off of Mussolini's Economic policies this is a fact.
@@Cacowninja Right right cause when im learning about economics i immediately know to trust the youtube commenter with not a qualification to their name over someone who's been studying this shit for decades
@@doochicka Got any sources for that statement? Believe it or not its possible to believe someones economic ideas were good while their cultural ones were bad. But i guess i should have known better than to think Rand superfans know its possible to like someones views on one thing without loving everything they ever said
Maidenless behavior.
Genuine question for people who take this meme seriously: Are government subsidies for private businesses an expression of socialism or capitalism?
I'd say it's an expression of socialism. Either that, or it's part of the bureaucracy.
@@chris135x Socialism for the rich lmao
America has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor
@@ymirs4400 Can you people knock it off with this "rich vs poor" crap? You people always sound like you have no solid concept of value. You may as well start talking like a child and say "they're greedy".
Socialism.
instead of ending with eeeeeeeeeee×100
now its just eeeee
No minute long ear ringing. Disliked and unsubbed.
We all know you were just taking away my hearted comment smh
You seem to have missed the point.
Wolff advocates for worker coops vs capitalist enterprises. i.e. no separation of workers from owners in an enterprise. That's his vision of socialism.
That's the whole point of this meme. To reduce socialism to mere state ownership of everything is juvenile and unsophisticated.
RIP the meme at the end tho
Only for OGs to know
@@CeaddaOfMercia luckily I got a screenie 👌👍
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Taken out of context, flattening the definition of what private and public is, ignores workers can have no state and still be without capitalist modes of production.
Yeah, all those feudal lords just owned the private property bro, thinking that shit sucks is stealing bro, don’t you think stealing is wrong? /s
this right here
Then by definition it's not socialism. What you're describing is actually authoritarianism. Or to be more specific, an authoritarian ideology known as "state capitalism" which is currently being used by China and Russia.
Edit for those who need to hear this: Socialism means only one thing: giving workers the means of production and making workplaces democratic. It has nothing to do with whether or not private ownership exists as a concept. Similarly, capitalism means only one thing: private ownership of businesses by a single person or entity.
@@ninsthegoblinthere’s so much wrong with this
@ninsthegoblin State Capitalism isn't capitalism.
Capitalism is the reduction of a government, the public sector, in the economy. In the ideal, there would be no ruler, a government, to dictate how a nation's economy should work. This is called anarchy, specifically anarcho-capitalism.
Anarcho-capitalism is the individualist side of anarchism. Meanwhile, anarcho-comminism is the collectivist side of anarchism.
There is a bunch of nuances to anarchy. I even have arguments to make regarding what is collectivism and individualism in anarchy as well. However, that's a topic for another time.
Not is is real democracy unobtainable, but it is undesirable
based and meme-coronated!
Just more proof libertarians understand jack shit about economics
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You're literally the guy in the joke. when people say they want public ownership they don't mean owned by the government they mean owned by the people. For example in market socialism this make literally every corporation a co-op, ergo bypassing the government entirely.
Can you do a video on the whole "Washington is run by libertarian zealots" thing? Tucker Carlson has been spouting that nonsense for a while now and it annoys me
What is there really to say other than it's self-evidently nonsense? If Washington was run by libertarian zealots, then the Federal Reserve and ATF would have been abolished, the drug war ended, the federal budget slashed, etc.
@@Nanofuture87 Indeed. he really thinks Austrian economics is mainstream despite the facts that the current economy is closer to a neo-Keynesian clusterfuck. even fiscal conservatism is dead and printer money is going brrr
Sounds to me like Tucker is a dumbass.
Cringe Dr. Wolff
Public =/= government. Of course I don't expect libertardians to understand basic concepts and terminology though, unironically believing a meme ideology and all.
Public do = gov't. Public parks are government run. Government military and prisons are publicly funded. Public funding is a nice way of saying "you give us money or men with guns come to your house and take you away to a very bad place, also paid for by you."
Taxation meets the textbook definition of extortion. Now maybe you like being extorted. Maybe you would willingly donate to fund the cause of dropping bombs on foreign countries and putting people in prison for using recreational drugs. But some people would not consent to paying for other people's abortions or funding genocidal regiemes halfway around the globe, yet they have no choice. If they stopped giving their money to fund state sponsored murder, they will be murdered by the state. So yes, taxation is extortion.
@@Kitkat-986 that's only one definition of the term, public can also refer to the people as a whole, which is what socialists mean when they say they want public ownership of property and the means of production. Profit and rent are also the definition of extortion yet you conveniently leave that out. You can't claim to be against taxation while being in favour of rent, rent literally is taxation just on a private level. Libertardian "logic": when the government does it, it's bad but when corporations do the exact same thing, it's good and perfectly justified!
@@Kitkat-986 your whole rant about "taxation is literally rape!" is also a complete strawman because nobody ever even mentioned taxes in the first place, I'm against taxes too since I'm an anarchist but I'm also consistent with my beliefs so I'm also against profits and rent which are also theft and extortion.
@@tessaPMpro No, that's the trick. When socialists say they want everything to be publicly owned, that does mean government owned. A lot of people think there's a difference, there isn't. Publicly owned means government owned. Even public libraries receive government funding.
How are profit and rent extortion? Let's start with rent. It's a consensual exchange of services. They provide you the service of housing you in exchange for money. And since both parties are consenting, either one of you can break the agreement. They are not forcing you to pay rent, merely entering a mutual agreement with the tenant to provide housing in exchange for money. If anything, theft would be demanding that someone house you for free. To force someone to provide you a service without compensation is theft.
As for profit being theft? That is utterly ridiculous. When you work for an employer, there is a mutual agreement that they take ownership of the items you produce in exchange for paying you for your labor. You can negotiate for better wages, or search for work elsewhere if you don't like the conditions.
Alternatively, if you're determined to own the fruits of your own labor, you can take out loans and work hard to create your own company. If you poured decades of your life, into building a company from nothing, wouldn't you be a bit upset if some young socialist came along and insisted you were a thief for making money off of an endeavor you spent a good portion of your life to build up?
@@tessaPMpro I never said taxation is rape. I said taxation is extortion.
Why do you hate profit so much? What is wrong with someone selling a service which you can choose to use or not to use? If you don't like the thing they're selling, don't buy it! It's pretty simple. I don't particularly like Apple products. I don't own an Iphone, because I think they are overpriced garbage. But the difference between socialism and capitalism is that in capitalism, no one is holding a gun to my head to make me buy the Iphone. In socialism, you have no choice, you WILL pay for the services, whether you use them or not, public health care for example. That is extortion.
Also, how is rent extortion? No one is forcing you to pay rent. You can stop paying rent and the worst that can happen is you need to find someplace else to live. Is it extortion that a store sells bottled water because people need to drink water to survive? That's silly.
Commies coping in comments smh
LMFAO this is GOLD (and BLACK)
Capitalism is when corporations do stuff
The more capitalism, the more stuff they do
And if they do a real lot of stuff it's FASCISM!
Not really fachism is also a form of marxism but mixed with nationalism.
@@jami1153 No, just no.
Fascists were never socialist. Fascism is in response to a growing socialist movement. They kill and imprisoned socialists, communists, marxists, union/labor leaders, and even the liberals.
Fascism is capitalism in decay.
@@tvfandashow6222 Fascism is anyone i dont like, unless they wear nazi symbols, then they are a free thinker. Ima do you a good deed, just use the patented response "Yuo hate capitalism yet you exist! Iphobe vuvuzela" and be done with it. These mouth breathers dont deserve your time.
@@jami1153 I'd advise you to read Michael Parenti's "Blackshirts and Reds" if you still hold those believes to give you a deeper understanding of the differences between those two
@@jami1153 zaza moment
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LOL. Wolf looks demented 😄😄
He is.
Socialists are against privatisation. That doesn't mean that this position is the core of socialism. Nationalists who are pro-private-property can also believe in government regulation.
Socialism is social ownership of the means of production and Scientific Socialism (the Marxist one) is basically a state where the ruling class is the proletariat and the economy isn't based on profit. As class conflict ensues and the burgeoisie ceases to exist, the "state-owned" enterprises would naturally become owned by unions and the workers and the state would cease to exist.
I can debunk you by simply copying and pasting Wikipedia
A state is a centralized political organization that imposes and enforces rules over a population within a territory.
A system which is build on the rulership of the Proletariat is also a state, so your whole argument is wrong.
Second nationalist are not for private proberty as the name suggest nationalism is a form of collectivism.
Capitalism is a economic systeme based of private proberty.
Your comment implies that you do not really know what private proberty means.
Private proberty is the legal controll over an object or person if the goverment regulates a proberty it is not your full private proberty anymore because you are not controlling it.
So any ideology which is pro goverment is in itself anti-capitalist because it is taking my proberty away from my own body by controlling what i am allowed to do and is always taking my proberty of my objects by taking my controll over the objects away by taxing and regulating.
If the goverment in that case is a democratic organisation it is at the same time a socialist institution which makes goverment intervention socialist.
,,Nationalist can also believe in goverment regulation"
A nation is an individual country considered together with its social and political structures as a nation.
Here you have it nationalism is always a political and therefore a anticapitalist ideology.
Third scientific socialism i have never heard that word before
Nationalists always are pro-government.
Nationalism is about the state being powerful in order to maintain something that the Nationalist values about his country.
national socialists said their systems were privatized, so they were capitalists. you can trust them because they are telling you.
n-no, the national socialists aren't socialists. you can't seriously be saying that just because you trust them to tell you with their name? what? they share an origin with the other kinds of socialism? their systems are closer to socialism than they are to capitalism? hitler literally said he was improving on marx's system? they were just saying that to get the favor of the people. as we all know, marxism has always been the most popular opinion among working class citizens, and the national socialists really cared about the popular vote from their subjects.
This might be the worst video ever. Jesus Christ
I don’t get it
i dont get it...
The video is mocking Wolff because he's really wrong about the economy.
He's quoting anarchists as if they're wrong when they're really right. Socialism really is when the government does stuff but Wolff says that isn't the case.
The autotune baby crying, the guy firing the pistol and the ringing at the end is the form of mockery.
@Gemeiner Ossiraptor Well explain how we don't get it and you do.
@Gemeiner Ossiraptor wdym? Libertarians provide a very coherent argument against socialism and communism