Night in the Woods - Restoring the Broken? (Janitor / Mae Theory) | SwankyBox
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- Who is the mysterious Janitor in Night in the Woods? And what is really going on with Mae Borowski? In this NITW theory, we pick up where we left off as we try to unravel the mysteries of Possum Springs!
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I think it's interesting that Mae's journal entry for the Janitor includes that she might actually enjoy being a janitor herself. A passing of the torch perhaps?
This is my personal headcanon as well except for the fact that mae is already the same type of entity and fully self-aware in the game but just doesn't realize it is a game mae just think that everything feels fake doesn't that sound like someone who is self-aware it can have two meeting's: an allegory to disassocia or a character being self-aware but why can't it be both and all honesty someone being self-aware and someone being disassociative could be viewed as the same thing but one is not the other. Not all disassociative characters in fiction are self-aware but all self aware people in fiction are disassociative I may be wrong I may be but always something to think about as a possibility
The Grandma was referencing how Mae beat the shit out of that kid with a baseball bat when she was a kid. The Grandma said "A bat in your hand" and "Red shapes on the grass" The red shapes on the grass was talked about before when talking to Bea or Gregg on the couch when they were talking about why she beat up the kid.
yea I was going to leave a comment saying that too, I was pretty shocked that he thought she was referencing the dreams.
Now that you have mentioned about the birds having wisdom in the game, it is really surprising that the game didn't reference "canaries in the coal mine." It is the idea of how miners would put birds in the coal mines to see if the gases were toxic or not. Even though the birds aren't canaries, it would be likely that this would be the reason why there are no canaries and well bird characters having the wisdom.
we used to use this phrase a lot, I haven't heard it since my last job.
my theory is that this game is awesome
That theory was later confirmed
There is a lot of evidence pointing towards that
I need to test that theory and play it a third time this year
For science
Yeah, I think Mae was suffering from some deep, troubling depression, and disassociation. They also mention the town doctor isn't very good, he's a fill in for all types of work, and she probably never got the actual help she needed after her break down, leading to her coming back to town.
My theory is that there may be no, or little, super natural stuff going on. The cult is far more... sad in that way, a cabal of old men throwing people down a well, committing to murder out of superstition and false hope that magic will bring the town the prosperity it needs. People do irrational things when they're desperate, and sometimes the next generation will just follow what they've been told about those irrational things.
I think Mae facing the Black Goat had more to do with her facing her inner demons, like you said, but I think while she is fighting depression and a slew of mental problems, I think the biggest thing she battling is the concept of entropy. She's dealing with a big picture, her town, her friends, her house, even herself will all not exist one day, and since the town is dying, and she's depressed, she's staring at the heat death of the universe and thinking more about than anyone can really handle like that. She even mentions in her dream that everything was gone, Possum Springs didn't even exist anymore, but she had some acceptance, and thought she could rebuild.
MeTheMeZ But if it wasn't magic how could he pass through walls and teleport?
That is a thing, it's not a perfect theory.
The only time I really remember it actually happening was the fence at the edge of town, the cult only mentions there were rumors one of their own could do it. I don't think it's too crazy to imagine with how long they'd lived there he knew a more mundane way through the fence, like a hidden hole, that Mae didn't. After all they've been doing this a while, and I can see them making a secret way through the fence to make their sacrificing faster.
I did have a thought on the bugs, and her nightmares, forgot to write it down! So, I don't dream much, or have many nightmares, but the times I have the most vivid, and often nightmares, is when I'm running a fever, or under extreme stress from life, and I actually think Mae might be both. She passes through the forest on her way back into town, and she goes to a party deep in the woods. You know what the bugs kind of look like to me, ticks. I think she may have picked up a tick early in the game, began running a fever from something she caught from it, and mixed with her daily stress, lead to her have trippy nightmares about things she's struggling with.
MeTheMeZ He also went up the shaft without any space to get through. Unless there was a bottom hatch he crawled up the entire shaft as the lights flickered and piopped up in seconds.
MeTheMeZ TL;DR: Mae is suffering from existentialism.
I realized that Mae is really determined. I mean even after everything that has happened she still pushes forward. She still continues on even after the incident that has occured. Even after hurting Andy she still continues on with life. And she does because of her friends' support. If you actually think about it the game focuses on real-life problems people face everyday. Mae has gone through a face in her life when her life just shatters in front of her. Just like what this video had, Mae tried her hardest to fight her inner demons. Some people are afraid of doing that. But Mae shows that it won't let her down. Mae is a hero, even if we don't realize it.
You and Swankybox just opened my eyes. I didn't think of her battle with mental illness as a fight against her inner demons
One note about the gas theory, while I don't necessarily prefer that one, it's likely Mae would be more heavily affected. It's mentioned twice that she's a lightweight when it comes to any kind of substances, mentioning that she often gets woozy from cough medicine and Bea commenting how it only took 2 or 3 watered-down beers to make her drunk enough to puke. It's a fair assumption that if the gas theory is true, she's going to be the one going craziest because of it.
sentinelmoonfang Being easily affected by alcohol would not necessarily translate to being more susceptible to other substances. It is something to consider though. Good work!
It's REALLY uncanny how similar Mae and me are when it comes to things in life. Being a college drop out, 20 years old, messing up a lot, bottling things up, self doubt, possibly losing grip on reality itself, close friends basically being the only outlet of happiness. Minus the whole celestial/elder God cult thing. I never thought I'd connect to a cat in video game....even more than things in real life. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, oh well. I love Mae and her characteristics!
palindinX niqqa i thought im the only one
For me, feel that the main characters are relatable for me. Mae represents my mood in depression, Gregg represents my positive mood, bea represents my loneliness and stress, angus represents my serious mood and chill mood, and germ shows my weird and loyal side. This feels odd, but it just makes me love them more.
palindinX i guess we are alike
palindinX And just _how_ many times do I have to roll my eyes?
So, a year later, it's worth noting that the Germ scene IS in the Switch version.
For real?
@@davidchurchman5771 yeah, though a lot of the dialogue in the grandma scene has been removed to tone it down.
It's also not only on the switch version, but in every platform the game is in, as a free update.
@@radial8955 I just played through the game a few days ago and I must have missed it; how do you get the scene?
@@davidchurchman5771 you have to do all of germs friendship scenes, which iirc are going to the bridge and going to the parking lot. I havent done it in a while so I dont know the specifics.
Really love how deep you analyzed this game. I think Night In The Woods tries to leave everything open to interpretation, but I think it tends to point the player in the direction of accepting the supernatural aspects as true; it seems unlikely that everyone is participating in the exact same delusion due to the gas leaks, but I suppose it's not out of the question. You do make an interesting point that our perspective of the events could be tainted as well, as we are experiencing the world through Mae's eyes.
Great video as always!
Man, it's kind of a shame that the whole scene with Germ got cut from the game. I hate it when content like that gets cut from a game because of "time constraints." It's like, just finish it, and who cares if the game takes a little longer to come out, you know?
But, anyway, awesome video (:
Yeah, I know what you mean. Like, I get it that you have stop working on the game at some point, but this scene seems like it was of too much importance to just be let on the cutting room floor.
I read it was also cause they wanted to leave it more ambiguous what was going on.
They can always finish the cut content and patch it in.
Madcat9246
Germ is bae
They actually plan on finishing it, and other cut scenes to add them back into the game. They're also making another supplemental game about the Killer incident.
The janitor's constant door fixing could also represent the mending of Mae's options in life as she undergoes this mental breakdown and recovery.
Actually, thinking about it, the two times the janitor appears fixing doors are when:
1. Mae's 'doors' have been shut by dropping out of college, in the beginning of the game
2. When any other 'doors' of Mae's are quickly swinging shut as she lays passed out in a hospital bed
I finished this game yesterday and loved every moment of it
*Update: They've added a lot and took away little in the game. You don't talk about how Casey went "missing" when you first hold his poster. But you do get to have the option to go to Germs house, you can talk to his grandmother, you can eat sloppy joes. It's cannon now, it's not hidden.*
I think the forest god may be a reference to the short they did called "lost constellation"
I believe so as well. In my play through I didn't actually run into them, as I accidentally finished it before heading back. I have seen that you can encounter them though.
He looks like an owl-deer thing and is super angry
Isaac Gerard But then again it was a story about Adina Astra trying to go to the Forest God but we never actually saw the Forest God.
+Justin Mark Rivera No, you can see it depending on how you play it. It was a deer owl thing. Look it up
I really would like to understand this worlds mythology better. The fact it was given the attention to details as it was, makes me feel like it really is a important part to their world.
I'd love to see more NITW theories! This is such an interesting & underrated game.
Eli Steph y underrated for now, give it time.
@@dynomite463 underrated
i just got sad when the game ended. i wish some one could turn this in to a animated series
man this game hit quite close to home for me. i myself have anxiety and disassociation problems, so seeing someone else struggle with that stuff felt weird.
It is nice to see that they added the cut scene into later editions, granted it is changed a bit with it being not as direct as the original cut scene.
I'm a total trash mammal!
I'm not the only one who thought of Bruce Almighty with the janitor! Yay!
Those scenes aren’t deleted now so that’s awesome!
It would very much seem that the player is meant to have their own perception of what's going on. At least that's the way I like to look at it. Whether you think Mae's dreams, and the cult's beliefs are real, or think it's all part of mental illness, and delusions from hard times, -you- the player are meant to have your own perception on what's going on.
And true, there is stuff happening that you don't know of, like the janitor (which I really like this theory for him btw,) but I don't think there is one answer, either that, or I think the answer isn't meant to be fully understood.
People do suffer from this kind of stuff, whether you refer to it as mental illness or whatever. And this game does a great job of helping you see things from their perspective.
Scams isn't a cat, If you look A. He has the mask on as he's falling with the shaft. and B. In a trailer you see him in a 360 and he has teeth like Bea and other lizard like ideas. So it's possible this is actually the old man who seems to hate you, There is also some proof of this. When your at Harfest he seems to be watching you, He looks up as you look by. Now you may say that "He's just a grumpy old dude" but it's possible he was acting like he was senile as a cover. he also is in the church with you possibly to make sure you don't die pre-sacrafise. And also when Germs grandmother is talking it's more likely she is talking about when she was beating that kid with a bat as she talks about how Mae only saw shapes "Red Shapes" as Mae says to gregg. Another odd thing is that she also talks about how her or her father or her grandparents did something dark in their past. In your grandfather's safe there is a tooth. One of the newspapers talks about how there was a group of people who used teeth as almost like a right of passage. This is just some stuff off of my head and I'm not even done with playrhthough 2. Anyways hope this is of help.
Also, It is hinted the Janitor is the forest god. He plays the role and seems to be there in all the big moments. It's possible he is making sure that Mae stops the cult.
I believe the person in the original trailer is just one of the cultists. In the game files it shows Eide's head as a cat. However, the graphic is solid black so you can't see anything but his outlines. It's very clear it is a cat though, and the file name has the words "true head" in it.
SwankyBox Ah, Sadly I can only go off of what I remember from my first playthrough. Personally I think either way his true identity in the end doesn't matter much mainly because it won't change much. If we do know him he's a minor character if we don't then that would be worse. Shame that there isn't much about it because it would have been awesome if they actually sort of attempted to make a reason to look for his identity. I honestly hope they expand the story with DLC someday but it seems unlikely.
My Theory: We do look through Mae's best friend after she is injured, so we, the player might be the janitor and know that Mae is experiencing the truth. The hole, the rift left in her soul caused by depression, gave the black goat a chance to break her down. (i.e. "We only recruit worthless members to society")Try to convince her to join him, with the other cultists.
Problems with your theory (as far as I can tell):
Poison gas affects everyone differently, also could be a blame made by the media.
Her friends were with her the entire time with the cultists.
The janitor might be reincarnated as the statue
Oh! and it doesn’t explain why the guy in the mine elevator was able to get from way down there to up at the top like that. Or how he could run through the fence.
I'm glad Mae & her friends can be at peace. (mostly)
I hope they return. To see them go through more in another game to show how strong their bonds are.
The janitor is the gate keeper and he has taken the form of a mortal to travel to our realm and "fix" the broken doors and restore balance between the living world and the spirit world.
I think for Mae its a mix of both. The gas is definitely speeding up the process, but she has a lot of issues she needs to sort out. One I feel shows just how deeply shes pained is when Bea drives her home. When she cries, at first it was the typical "im too drunk" cry, but soon shes bawling her eyes out, and not in a pretty way. What Bea said hurt her a lot more than she lets on
The scene about Germ's grandma being prophetic is in the current build of the game. I got it when I played through the first time so it probably isn't rare to happen upon nowadays.
The updated game includes this scene if you interact with Germ as much as possible and I'M SO GLAD!
Remember when at the hospital the janitor says: "Supposed to be fixing a door." they ask "Here?" "He says: "No." That means he didn't finish working on that door he was working on, he finished his work for that day because you gave him a fiascola (That means you are starting the game and the night is coming and the woods are outside.) Just like at the end, the woods aren't the complete end, just like the complete start. After he fixes the door at Mae's old house, everything goes back to normal.
I think that when the Janitor comes where Mae is in the church, i think she is dead, that´s why all spoke their words like when some one die, but, when the janitor comes and the trancition happens, i think, he... somehow changed the things and saved her, how? may be he is a god, may be he has sorta of control of the game, maybe he can change realities, to one where Mae is dead, to other when she is only enjured.
the janitor could be a reincarnation of the statue man
Doctor Stitches! that was my thought
I think that within the story itself, it all has to do with supernatural stuff and lore and all that, which will be incredibly difficult but incredibly fun to figure out, but I also think that all the fantastical events that happened during the course of the game are put there as a more physical way to show the emotional journey that Mae is going through. Basically one of my favorite ways to tell stories: Awesome lore and stuff that also doubles as a metaphor for the more human version of the character's journey.
The cut Scene at Germs house is in the full game, at least i was when i played it yesterday.
No idea when they decided to add it
I have this weird connection between things I'm trying to establish in this game. We see animals, we see humanoid animals, and we encounter animal 'gods' through Adina and Mae. I have to guess that these animals into the 'humans' we see. Meanwhile, these gods, whether cosmic aliens or metaphorical, seem to be able to 'die' and transform, seen with the forest god and 'janitor'. It seems also that 'humans' can become the gods, or perhaps all these gods were 'humans' stuck in animal forms after death. One example is Ibon becoming the Black Goat, and the other is Corbin the cat thief becoming the supernatural cat we see in 'Lost Constellation', maybe even the cat god we encounter is Mae's dream.
A game about a character battling personal and literal demons and dark forces.Sounds like a game after my heart. Especially, Mae being tormented by her troubled, dark past and failures. That instantly caught my attention.
I really think that the reason why we see the world of NITW as all animals is because of Maes mental state and that helps to influence some of the other paranormal things in the game.
Another spiritual bird in the game is the forest god. I'm referring to the one in Lost Constellation Adina encounters. Its a large owl with antlers. Maybe the birds around town are descendents of the forest god?
Are we not gonna talk about how Aunt Molly isn't in the epilogue????
Sophia Jasper I really think Aunt Molly was part of the cult. Her cryptic speech, the way she kept warning Mae, saying how "being in the wrong place at the right time" could be bad, and turning up after the cultist kidnapped that kid and passed through the fence. As if she was watching out. And Mae and the groups first seeing the cult where she falls after nearly getting shot is her being at the wrong place and the right time. There are quite a few members of the town you notice go missing, typically towns people who look like they are workers/laborers, which the cultists are implied to be. Ah I love this game.
She's in the epilogue? If you jump along the wires on top of the town I think you miss her. EDIT: in the weird autumn edition she is added in.
Possum Springs seems like a supernatural hub, like the Lovecraftian locations of Arkham and Indsmouth.
The great thing is that now, those unfinished scenes are finished and in the full game!
I think when Mae says she sees just shapes, shes referring to the games art style.
Or the game is visually symbolic of how Mae sees things.
@@AntiFaGoat hmmm never thought about that, thank you for a new side on a game I love!
Oof... Hearing you talk about the depression thing hit me pretty hard...
Because I also have a similar kind of depression.
But my theory isn't much of a "theory" but more of an explanation.
When she was playing that game, and the computer broke, that caused her depression. She lost something that she had grown so close to. And to see it turn into nothing but shapes and colors led her to believe that everything she once known and loved will end up that way, too. She couldn't handle the pressure of losing everything, so she distanced herself from reality.
I feel ya buddy. I went through it too
Sasuke Uchiha I have trouble getting through life because of my depression.
shit happens bro.. I feel ya
She got depressed because of a video game? The fuck?
Peasham I agree....huh?
I don't know if it was added in a recent update, but I found that "cut" Germ sequence polished and in-game when I played last week
Why does no one point out that the harfest begins with Mae getting into a huge fight with her mom, and perhaps pushing her psychosis that follows.
What if Mae was a sacrifice for the cult but the was revived (like turn the medium) because she saw the shapes? Maybe the shapes are a sign?
This could have "Mae-de" all the difference...sneaky
My part of a theory involving Mae: Definitely depressed or having a mental illness of some sort, each certain demon/alien animals represent her and the ones who are close to her. Bear, representing Angus, Squirrel representing (I think Gregg?), Crocodile, which is Bea, and the Cat, Mae. Some mental illnesses are said to somewhat 'predict' futures, or as a type of Deja Vu thing happening inside of her dreams. Well.... either a mental illness of some sort... or she was born as a part of omnipotent higher being, or at least part, anyway. As her life is obviously not normal based off of the circumstances, such as the Janitor, which may be a type of god, choosing to monitor Mae throughout her endeavors. Mae also had a random day where she just.. Snapped, and saw everything as shapes and calculations and lines, this may be a part where she had been enlightened, seen whichever dimension she lives in, such as a 4th dimensional being looking down o a 3rd dimension. I don't exactly have time, or the memory to type everything out. Please remember this is only part of my theory.
The scraped scene that you talk about was included in the Switch (and other consoles I guess (if it came out on other consoles)) and it took me by surprise when I saw it
I always thought the janitor was a guardian spirit that watches over the town.
Also he and Germ's family could possibly be color variants of grackles or some form of corvids (crows, ravens, jackdaws, etc) which are considered spiritual animals who often are associated with the dead and spirituality.
The birds in Possum Springs may be seen as such, and if so, then that explains why the birds seem so spiritually inclined and involved in the town.
The scenes you mentioned are actually present in the game now
i knew i loved this game but i couldn't figure out why but from this theory it makes sense. u just discribed my whole life. college ruined me too mae.
The scene where you go to germs house and meet his family was not cut out. I’ve played NITW twice now and the second time i talked to every talkable person and the last time you get the chance to talk to Germ by the parking lot he takes u there. The only thing missing from that scene was when the grandma mentioned she knew about mae’s dreams, so just a tad bit more vague. But yes jumping on trampoline was fun and Germs brother was hella sus for saying he sees u and we dont see him LOL
What about The "Casey is Missing" Problem?
My theory is that Casey was Eide
As unlikely as it may happen. I'd love to see DLC content or even sequels to Night in the Woods. I really do want more to the story, characters, and setting than the game offers us. Maybe answer at least some of these loose ends.
true
Mae's disassociation with reality didn't influence the paranormal stuff as her friends also saw the cult and all of that, and things slowly began to appear to them as well. However, I do feel like some things became more extreme, like when she stops in the middle of the cave... Still gonna blame a demon goat, though~
janitor is forest god for sure, godtender brown in longest night says that the forest god is close to death, or as close to death as a god could get
FYI: they put a lot of cut scenes back on with the weird autumn edition update! I actually played that scene with Germs family. It was really cool
I think I’d like the game better if the whole thing was created by her depression and her friends went along with it to help her because that’s what the story should be about. Not about demons, aliens or gods, but about mental illness and it’s affect on life. That would make the game so much better in my eyes. The game would feel so real and emotional.
Death of the author is an important phenomenon to understand when interpreting hidden information in a plot. Specifically, the creators said that the cut content revolving Germ's grandma is not canon, therefor it cannot be canon. By adding cut content to the official plot it can make other elements that did make the final cut less consistent. Sometimes things are cut for a reason and the surviving bits are shaped to function without the cuts. This is why Undertale theories have such a labyrinth of unexplainable bologna: people keep trying to cram in plot tokens that no longer fit the big picture.
right but they did do an update where they added the cut content in so i think it counts in this case
If the Janitor were a god, I feel like he'd be more of a Janus-esque god. This Roman god was the god of doorways. Doorways between the future, the past, etc. Mae mentions that the future may be happening or may have already happened, the exact representation of Janus. This would also make sense for the Janitor's appearance now. He has gone through the door to the future. He now is older. And he is also fixing doors, which a god of doorways would do if the separation became intact.
I wonder if Germ and the janitor are related given Germ's proximity to both Mae and the cultists.
Nice video, decent analysis.
There is a level of evidence that this may be a product of Mae experiencing psychosis alongside coincidence of the organization working inside of Possum Springs. She is showing possibilities of either a mood or personality disorder; something along the lines of bipolar disorder or even schizotypal personality disorder. Stress may have led to tripping off a manic phase thus leading Mae to withdraw from college and increase her bizarre train of thoughts. There may be some hints to this issue being hereditary. We as the player see these hints in the interactions with Mae's mother. During the day in which her mother is going over bills, Mae reveals that her mother is often seen as moody, suggesting there may be some genetic predisposition to her developing a mood disorder.
This does not fully explain a lot of her early onset symptoms, as it seems that she has consistently had trouble making connections with others in possum springs. Her issues may arise from an ongoing sense of social isolation; her idiosyncratic behavior perhaps caused a rift between her and the people of the town. Her behaviors are bizarre and her beliefs are a tad strange, but she was stable until she drove off to college because her friend group offered her a sense of solidarity. When she left off to school she lost this support. When she entered college Mae started experiencing schizophrenic like symptoms, perhaps due to stress and a lack of support.
There is a lot of detail in NiTWs to be able to give rich speculation. It could all be real as well; maybe the line on her mother's side has some connection to the other side? Candy, Mae, and Molly all have the same "nightmare eyes" she goes on about at the fire. Molly does show some hesitancy when she first sees the arm, maybe she is a little more knowledgeable about the deeper secrets of Possum Springs.
I always thought it was a Darkseed type thing with the pit being the portal, and the janitor being the friendly darkworlder... which would make Mae Borowski Mike Dawson.
I enjoy these theories. :) I highly enjoy this game, and seeing more from this game with these theories is really enjoyable and filling in some gaps for me. :) Just subtle changes in gameplay like Selmers at the church with the rest of the people is just intriguing to me, and it gives the game so much replay value. :) Keep up the fun theories, Swanky. :) God bless yours and you! :)
I always thought that the janitor immediately vanished when going outside because he walked from there into the church/hospital scene.
The cut scene you are talking about is in the game, or at least it was in my play through. You just have to talk to Germ as often as possible and he'll take you to his house. Maybe it was added after this video or maybe you just didn't know but those scenes are in the game.
It was added in the Weird Autumn edition of the game
@@demimachia Ah, thanks mate. Didn't know that.
For some reason that state Mae and the janitor stands in front of has a circle that looks like a doughnut from that restaurant
I watched Jack play this, go watch (ep 5?) unless you know
Now here is something interesting, all of mae's friends by sheer clues from dialouge say that this is all gonna fall apart, meaning that gregg and angus are going to leave and bea is unsure about here future. Along with her parents and about the house, she feels that her memories are going to die! She came back because she had to put the memories back together or make them keep holding on. She is battling against her friends, family, memories, and even herself to keep it together. She feels that if her childhood isnt kept together then her life means nothing. Mae knows its a loosing fight but she wont let herself belive that. Her childhood was falling apart because somewhere in her mind (during college) that casey was gone. But what if i told you that CASEY AND MAE ARE THE SAME PERSON OR A SYNCRANIZED BODY! weird but i need more time to explain look under this comment for more...
Casey was probably a centerpiece of her childhood and with out him, the childhood is gone. oh, and how do we know that this is a fight of her childhood, it is depicted by....HER SIZE! she is still a child! she is 20 but she hasnt aged. her journey was actually to find casey. but here is another question, could there be another timeline in which casey doesnt end up leaving? share your opinion!
Oh and another intresting theory, what if the songs in the game actually were played a f t e r t h e g a m e. Especially wired autumn
This in some aspects seams alot like "Life is strange". For more clarification, weird autumn mentions something really specific "Sometimes you can't see someone Until they're goooooone" this is almost a direct refrence to when gregg says at the end of the game, do notice anyone missing today. this is also in a relation to casey aswel in the part "Her family drove her awaaaay" meaning that casey left because his family drove him away.
Or.... Mae could have already known since Junior high her childhood was falling apart and HER parents drove her away causing for a bigger meltdown. any way thats all i got GREGG RULZ OK?
But in the game, the cultists say that they kidnapped Casey and brought him into the mines and threw him down the hole to sacrifice to the pit
Casey and Mae can’t be the same person
Also you may of missed how the bird lady pastor mentioning God is in this church and not long the janitor walks in, which is part of why I think the janitor maybe either said God or a being associated to.
Ive noticed it myself in Ratchet and Clank and have basically more or less called the Plumber God, as mythologies of the past are full of situations where gods who appear on Earth not as great kings or lords but rather as humble positions. It also is effective too, cause while we go day by day through our lives, we never often consider the people who work tirelessly to make sure the world around us is maintained so we can, hence, why God characters in media tend to be Janitors or Plumbers.
I think the janitor went through the same situation as Mae, he found the black goat and the cult but moved on with life. remember they chose people who don't have a future and meaning in life? well I don't mean rude but he is a janitor at an old age but still remains positive throughout the game. The black goat could still be singing and calling out to him as well as Mae at the same time making their connection.
So if this theory is correct, could janitors being gods be considered a cliche/trope at this point?
Woah woah woah, is Selmers always there when Mae is in the church? I swear she wasn't there in Jacksepticeye's playthrough and he talked to her a LOT.
She wasn't in his playthrough because he chose not to stay and listen to her Poetry Meeting at the Library which is ridiculous to me because that is one of the game's strongest moments and the culmination of her arc, but, there ya go
for the record: lori and mr. chazokov can also appear in that scene, and they all have dialogue.
I would like to point out that I think the goat Ibon should be pronounced "E-bon" as in ebony. I love the lore of this game.
Pretty interesting.
the scene with germ's grandma and his family was in my game on pc. its just an extra hangout you can take
ahh man the game is so full of mysteries wait to be unraveled, and heres hoping you can unravel those mysteries, and find out what really is in the center of everything
I think there's nothing supernatural in the game at all and it's all a combination of crazy cult theories and Mea's own superstition and disassocation.
It's cool that they got some deleted scenes back in the Autumn update
This is such a lovingly interpretable game!
Yo I personally prefer to interpret shapes as mae dissociating but this is a cool theory too. For me, it's just more that I've personally dissociated like Mae has and like all people I like to heavily identify with fictional characters.
I suffer from most of the stuff that you mentioned near the end of the video and you described it very accurately and there is a high chance that theory is correct
I'm pretty sure the Janitor being a significant character in everything is easy to see due to his appearance in the hospital, and during the epilogue. Also, like in the video, the statue in the graveyard looks like the Janitor. I love seeing theory videos, but some theories are either stretching or are showing what's there already.
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If you look at the mural of the dudes in the trolley tunnel before Nuke possum springs is written on it, one of them resembles the janitor and conversely the statue in the cemetery. I always thought he was a founder of the town maybe the one who fell down the hole on discovering the black goat and instead of dying he got transformed into something else entirely.....like a ying and yang kind of thing.
Didn’t they add the grandma scene in the weird autumn edition? (Directors cut?) (I’m getting a “Donnie darko” feeling)
great video man I really love the topics you like to delve into
God damn, I hella connect with Mae on a deep level, having depression sucks...
I need to explore more of this game
Just finished this game and it was beautiful, kinda sad I couldn’t find much about it I feel like the game didn’t get as much love as it deserved.
Thanks for the subtitles!
Nobody seems to of noted this, they have re-added the lost scenes, this is canon now.
With the thing about depression, I suffer from depression too but I think it should be noted the difference between mood disorders (mental illnesses that sabotage emotions) and psychotic disorders (mental illnesses that sabotage perception of reality). Depression, a mood disorder, doesn't usually cause dissociation as it's a symptom of a psychotic disorder. But looking into things I think I found a diagnosis for Mae. Schizoaffective Disorder.
The umbrella term of a disorder when one has both psychosis and a mood disorder like bipolar or depression. I think bipolar disorder would fit Mae, as technically it does have symptoms of depression but also includes mania, including fits of anger. Remind you of anything? Like Dr. Hank telling her that she had anger issues? This would tie into her dissociation and hallucinations as well. I hope this helps and makes sense!
Maybe he's Mae's guardian angel?
If the Janitor had a voice actor it needs to be Morgan Freeman.
( video gets dark) Ad: "At happy Tails Pet Therapy..." RUclips you have the best sense of humor, my god.
MAEbe the janitor is the night in the woods equilivent to Jesus
germ's grandma is VERY interesting- his family in general. that deleted scene, like damn.
You could also just feel empty, feeling like nothing making you sound you don't feel