The Rog Ally comes from the factory with PTM7950. And just an FYI, for temperature comparisons tests like this, you should always lock the TDP and Fan Speed to a fixed number for both test.
You don't lock the TDP if you are hoping to see a performance improvement due to lower temps allowing the TDP to maintain a higher output. If he was only looking to compare temps then you would be correct. In this video he made it clear that he was looking for a performance boost had the temps maintained lower levels.
Throw the PTM in the fridge (not freezer) for about 1 hour before using it, it will help you with the installation and also help the compound take a better shape around the chip
@@Threewlz The trick that I use to apply PTM7950 is to directly apply one uncovered side of the pad directly to the GPU die/CPU IHS, and once everything's stuck to the surface, only after do I take off the 2nd plastic layer and attach the cooler. Helps to prevent situations where the pad sticks to the plastic layer instead of the GPU/CPU
@@Threewlz The paste is stored inside 2 overlapping plastic strips so that should be fine, but you should also store it inside the airtight plastic bag it comes with and also don't leave too much air inside.
You'll likely noticed improved performance as time goes on (days/weeks/months). The PTM7950 will keep squeezing down when above the Phase Change threshold. It can get down to 0.038mm or 0.0015" (1.5 Thousandths of an Inch).
I'm gonna add some to my GPU does this mean I'll have to periodically tighten my mounting screws around the GPU die as time goes by and the PTM get's thinner and thinner?
@astoraan6071 No. You won't be able to tighten the screws beyond their normal stopping point when you reassemble. They will tighten until they come to a stop. The springs or spring screws will compensate for the Phase Change getting thinner.
@@snarksdomain Okay because I am getting high GPU Hot Spot temps and Deltas on my GPU and was gonna use the "Washer mod" to add more pressure and see if that helps while I wait for my TPM 7950 to arrive.
I think we have established that there is no point whatsoever to doing this unless it was a few years down the road and the factory paste was no good anymore.
@@mikeb3172Yes there is. One internet goofball failing because he (admittedly) didn't even follow the instructions doesn't disprove careful lab results.
PTM 7950 is actually unique if their is any air between it and the heatsink it will slowly squeeze it out, and actually they found testing 1000+ cycles it was performing better than cycle 1
According to the instructions, you are supposed to apply the PTM to the heatsink after its wipe clean with IPA. Then you are supposed to heat the heatsink to about 30C to 35C before attaching it. PTM in theory solves the problem of pump out by turning back into a solid. It will continue to perform without the need to change it.
If you want something cheaper with the same performance as the PTM7950, look in to the Laird Tpcm series. A 9inx9in sheet is around $30 at Digikey/Mouser which makes this much better value per CM^2 compared to PTM7950. Also, you can get TPCM 7000 in 0.125mm thickness compared to the 0.2mm thickness of the PTM 7950.
You should try Thermal Grizzley Carbonaut, nearly as good as LM but less chance of destroying everything. You still need to make sure it doesn't short out on anything, but at least it has zero chance of leaking out when applied.
PTM7950 is used for longevity. It lasts longer where other pastes fail (usually due to the pump out effect). It's the best way for consoles and other devices that are not easy to open up every now and then. Regarding performance, decent pastes will beat it in stress tests hands down when tested immediately after application.
Sankar smells like onions and poop hands. PTM will also outperform everything but liquid metal, and when it comes to consistency it tends to outperform that as well outside of laboratory tests. IRL, and after waiting for it to settle in (it's phase change), it beats everything on average. Everything.
i got PTM7950 on my liquid devil 7900 XTX dropped hotspot by 20c which is a watercooled card, so do not think it wont work with watercooled card it will if the chip gets hot enough, gpu's have hotspot areas that get really hot so its perfectly fine for that.
I like these kinds of videos. I was definitely hoping to see some differences. I have applied the thermal grizzly kryonaut extreme and slightly brought down temps, but like you said, nothing compared to the same stuff on the steam deck.
When applying PTM7950 just cut it slightly bigger then the die so you can push the PTM7950 around the edge of the die so when you peel it the excess comes off and perfect size pad is on the die, PTM7950 is also reusable apparently so when putting back the cooler on grab the excess flakes and put them on the center of the die it will burn in and melt and spread across the die again, altho if not tested it, i might test it on my laptop soon when i got time to take it apart cos my gpu core is 107c under load on my 10+ year old laptop :D
Not sure if you can get better results with PTM7950 but for me dropped hotspot temp down by 20c on liquid devil 7900 XTX 92 vs 60 to 70c hotspot since it's melting point is 45c it still works really good on watercooled card, perhaps PTM7950 works better if the cooler can also keep up so maybe its already at the limit of what the cooler can soak but it can potentially improve over time, if its just as good as your repaste i would not do anything PTM7950 will last entire lifetime of the device, unlikely normal thermal paste that pumps out dries out and starts performing worse after couple of weeks, altho your PTM7950 aplication is not perfect since it tore the pad, i would've personally re done it
they didn't do the testing properly, so there was no difference... PTM7950 has to go trough many heat cycles before it has good contact. they should had gamed few hours on it before testing performance.
That's not a NUFF!!! The only thing that can slightly increase fps when lowering TEMPS is liquid metal!!! You need to insulate the chips around the processor.
@PCWorld Adam, the only way you can get better temperatures is to change the heatsink and fan. No great thermal paste will be able to get the heat out of the console if the heat is tramp in the heatsink.
PTM 7950 actually doesn’t experience degradation due to it being a phase change material. In the data sheets Honeywell actually states that after 1000 -55c to 100c cycles the performance actually improves. Basically the more you break it in the better it is
100% agree ... 11:07 that's definitely too much for thermal paste . All you need is a very thin layer . That much of thermal paste actually perform worse than having a thinner layer . This guy has NO CLUE at all. I suggest everyonr should Watch some better channels like Linus tech tips videos ... and learn how to do things properly.
Yeah, I do remember reading that. We actually filmed this about a month ago and I've been using that Ally since. Just fired up both tests and didn't find any changes unfortunately... -Adam
That's the worst thermal pad application I have ever seen. You tore it many many many times. Even with that it stayed the same as thermal paste. You could have gotten 2-3 degrees better. That's a lot to me. but next time put it in the freezer for 30 mins before the application. and lift in a sharper manner. just lifting in a sharper manner would fix all the issues but you need the extra help. But well done on the video as a whole.
Very cool test - very interesting. That is WAAAY too much paste on the TG Kryonaut application for the die-size. Like triple the amount of what would have been far more than enough lol. We all know that too much non-conductive paste can't technically hurt, but people cleaning the mess next time it's opened up might be inclined to clean away the masses of excess and thus have a higher risk of damaging the SMDs which are now unnecessarily covered in excess paste. The thermal pad application looks quite fiddly and difficult to apply, but ultimately it seems to all be a wash - I would keep the stock paste personally. Thanks for the testing!
Why is this "person" doing "reviews" like this? He obviously has no clue what he's doing and would be better suited to stick with phone reviews. When you start off by letting us know you're terrified to work with Liquid Metal it tells us everything we need to know. Not quite as bad a the "Verge" dude but he's in the ballpark.
100% agree ... 11:07 that's definitely too much for thermal paste . All you need is a very thin layer . That much of thermal paste actually perform worse than having a thinner layer . This guy has NO CLUE at all. I suggest everyonr should Watch some better channels like Linus tech tips videos ... and learn how to do things properly.
100% agree ... 11:07 that's definitely too much for thermal paste . All you need is a very thin layer . That much of thermal paste actually perform worse than having a thinner layer . This guy has NO CLUE at all. I suggest everyonr should Watch some better channels like Linus tech tips videos ... and learn how to do things properly.
@@bboyalanleung123 Not even what I'm referring too. I meant the lack of information, the lack of planning, the poor execution. The editor tried to save it. But you can't spin flax into gold.
11:07 that's definitely too much for thermal paste . All you need is a very thin layer . That much of thermal paste actually perform worse than having a thinner layer . This guy has NO CLUE at all. Watch some Linus tech tips videos ... and learn how to do proper.
Should have used kpx for the paste, i trust kingpin to make the best product on the market, but thats just me, so why not try the best to see if it works ot not
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The Rog Ally comes from the factory with PTM7950. And just an FYI, for temperature comparisons tests like this, you should always lock the TDP and Fan Speed to a fixed number for both test.
You don't lock the TDP if you are hoping to see a performance improvement due to lower temps allowing the TDP to maintain a higher output. If he was only looking to compare temps then you would be correct. In this video he made it clear that he was looking for a performance boost had the temps maintained lower levels.
@@kristoferstoll587I agree. Gizmo's way wouldn't be representative of how these devices work IRL. They throttle on max EDP or temp.
That explains why the stock performed the best the PTM already had time to settle. I just put some on my 7900XT and so far it is IMPRESSIVE.
Throw the PTM in the fridge (not freezer) for about 1 hour before using it, it will help you with the installation and also help the compound take a better shape around the chip
isn't it dangerous that it might condensate and oxidize something on the gpu?
@@Threewlz The trick that I use to apply PTM7950 is to directly apply one uncovered side of the pad directly to the GPU die/CPU IHS, and once everything's stuck to the surface, only after do I take off the 2nd plastic layer and attach the cooler.
Helps to prevent situations where the pad sticks to the plastic layer instead of the GPU/CPU
@@Threewlz No. Refrigerating the pad is recommended procedure.
@@VIDS2013 too late, I've freezed my into oblivion
@@Threewlz The paste is stored inside 2 overlapping plastic strips so that should be fine, but you should also store it inside the airtight plastic bag it comes with and also don't leave too much air inside.
Man, some charts in this video would be HEAVEN.
You'll likely noticed improved performance as time goes on (days/weeks/months). The PTM7950 will keep squeezing down when above the Phase Change threshold. It can get down to 0.038mm or 0.0015" (1.5 Thousandths of an Inch).
Just got to watch your vids before seeing this, yeah, should’ve done a weeks worth of testing before replacing TIMs.
I'm gonna add some to my GPU does this mean I'll have to periodically tighten my mounting screws around the GPU die as time goes by and the PTM get's thinner and thinner?
@astoraan6071 No. You won't be able to tighten the screws beyond their normal stopping point when you reassemble. They will tighten until they come to a stop. The springs or spring screws will compensate for the Phase Change getting thinner.
@@snarksdomain Okay because I am getting high GPU Hot Spot temps and Deltas on my GPU and was gonna use the "Washer mod" to add more pressure and see if that helps while I wait for my TPM 7950 to arrive.
@@astoraan6071 don't end up cracking your die. just wait for PTM7950 to arrive.
I think we have established that there is no point whatsoever to doing this unless it was a few years down the road and the factory paste was no good anymore.
They have clearly tried everything 😅
Even years down the road there's no need to change PTM-7950...
@@mikeb3172 unless they actually release the PTM 7958 pad version which is currently exclusive to lenovo only
@@mikeb3172Yes there is. One internet goofball failing because he (admittedly) didn't even follow the instructions doesn't disprove careful lab results.
Unless you have a 7900xt or xtx gpu that has terrible pump out issues
Also worth checking whether the VRAM thermal pads are making good contact - if they squish on application they might not work too well on replacement.
PTM 7950 is actually unique if their is any air between it and the heatsink it will slowly squeeze it out, and actually they found testing 1000+ cycles it was performing better than cycle 1
According to the instructions, you are supposed to apply the PTM to the heatsink after its wipe clean with IPA. Then you are supposed to heat the heatsink to about 30C to 35C before attaching it. PTM in theory solves the problem of pump out by turning back into a solid. It will continue to perform without the need to change it.
Fun fact: If you put the PTM7950 in the freezer for a few minutes before application, the protective film will come off way easier.
some says dont put in the freezer which is the right one ? does freezer can broke the ptm7950 instead cause it's too cold?
Take a drink everytime Adam says "good enough".
We'll all be tipsy before finishing the video. :P
@@WoOolisL Honestly... After the video is over we should just meet up at the ER.
Those are great Time Spy results for a handheld, I was getting around 3600 aggregate score on 1080p with a GTX 970 and Core i5-9500
If you want something cheaper with the same performance as the PTM7950, look in to the Laird Tpcm series. A 9inx9in sheet is around $30 at Digikey/Mouser which makes this much better value per CM^2 compared to PTM7950. Also, you can get TPCM 7000 in 0.125mm thickness compared to the 0.2mm thickness of the PTM 7950.
The fact that there is usually room for better cooling makes me wonder why these companies put the best cooling solution in in the first place
You should try Thermal Grizzley Carbonaut, nearly as good as LM but less chance of destroying everything. You still need to make sure it doesn't short out on anything, but at least it has zero chance of leaking out when applied.
PTM7950 is used for longevity. It lasts longer where other pastes fail (usually due to the pump out effect). It's the best way for consoles and other devices that are not easy to open up every now and then.
Regarding performance, decent pastes will beat it in stress tests hands down when tested immediately after application.
For direct die cooling PTM7950 is superior to every traditional thermal paste.
Sankar smells like onions and poop hands. PTM will also outperform everything but liquid metal, and when it comes to consistency it tends to outperform that as well outside of laboratory tests. IRL, and after waiting for it to settle in (it's phase change), it beats everything on average. Everything.
@@Jasontvnd9It's also what's used on the ROG Ally. So this video is stupid LoL
Remember PTM7950 will be bit worse at first then get better after like 5 minutes and even better after like a day.
ye was a waste of time when I saw they started testing straight away after applying it...
Yup....The official instructions is 60 degrees load for 30 minutes.
7c drop in low temps and average GPU clock speed increased 400mhz with Kryonaut extreme on a Z1X
Honeywell will do even better if you let it settle.
For the liquid metal, you can use a special coating to seal in the parts near the cpu so it won't short circuit
I think that I read that you should put PTM7950 in the freezer before applying it. So it would be easier to remove protective foils.
Good tip!
Just three words... KRYOSHEET TEST PLEASE!!
That sheet is conductive.
i got PTM7950 on my liquid devil 7900 XTX dropped hotspot by 20c which is a watercooled card, so do not think it wont work with watercooled card it will if the chip gets hot enough, gpu's have hotspot areas that get really hot so its perfectly fine for that.
I like these kinds of videos. I was definitely hoping to see some differences. I have applied the thermal grizzly kryonaut extreme and slightly brought down temps, but like you said, nothing compared to the same stuff on the steam deck.
That's some interesting music that you're playing while you're undressing the system😂
11:17 that enouf to repaste 2 more times mate 😳
Adams life would be in danger if he killed the ROG Ally with LM Gordan would go into a murderous rage.
When applying PTM7950 just cut it slightly bigger then the die so you can push the PTM7950 around the edge of the die so when you peel it the excess comes off and perfect size pad is on the die, PTM7950 is also reusable apparently so when putting back the cooler on grab the excess flakes and put them on the center of the die it will burn in and melt and spread across the die again, altho if not tested it, i might test it on my laptop soon when i got time to take it apart cos my gpu core is 107c under load on my 10+ year old laptop :D
Loving the mazapanes on your desk!
Would have rather seen kryonaut v2/extreme but good to know about how itll go.
I want the frore systems modkit for the Ally.
Not sure if you can get better results with PTM7950 but for me dropped hotspot temp down by 20c on liquid devil 7900 XTX 92 vs 60 to 70c hotspot since it's melting point is 45c it still works really good on watercooled card, perhaps PTM7950 works better if the cooler can also keep up so maybe its already at the limit of what the cooler can soak but it can potentially improve over time, if its just as good as your repaste i would not do anything PTM7950 will last entire lifetime of the device, unlikely normal thermal paste that pumps out dries out and starts performing worse after couple of weeks, altho your PTM7950 aplication is not perfect since it tore the pad, i would've personally re done it
they didn't do the testing properly, so there was no difference... PTM7950 has to go trough many heat cycles before it has good contact. they should had gamed few hours on it before testing performance.
Ally comes from the factory with PTM7950
That's not a NUFF!!! The only thing that can slightly increase fps when lowering TEMPS is liquid metal!!! You need to insulate the chips around the processor.
Bad news : can’t improve on stock
Good news : you don’t need to replace your stock
Good job Adam!
If you use a liquid metal, try to get a foam barrier so it stays isolated. Also careful not to overdo it.
Yeah not sure how liquid metal would hold good in a device thats moved around as much as something like this
@@jeffreypeters5578due to superficial tension it will not be a problem.
@PCWorld Adam, the only way you can get better temperatures is to change the heatsink and fan. No great thermal paste will be able to get the heat out of the console if the heat is tramp in the heatsink.
PTM 7950 actually doesn’t experience degradation due to it being a phase change material. In the data sheets Honeywell actually states that after 1000 -55c to 100c cycles the performance actually improves. Basically the more you break it in the better it is
Hear me out now. Shave his head, add about a hundred pounds of muscle and he'll look like that wrestler Ryback lol
This is painful to watch...
100% agree ... 11:07 that's definitely too much for thermal paste . All you need is a very thin layer . That much of thermal paste actually perform worse than having a thinner layer . This guy has NO CLUE at all. I suggest everyonr should Watch some better channels like Linus tech tips videos ... and learn how to do things properly.
You have to do multiple thermal cycles with both the Kryonaut and PTM7950, especially PTM7950.
Yeah, I do remember reading that. We actually filmed this about a month ago and I've been using that Ally since. Just fired up both tests and didn't find any changes unfortunately...
-Adam
PTM Will get to its best condition after a couple heat cycles.
One layer only! The thinner the better.
ptm is not about better performance, is about forgetting to repaste
You mentioned the steam deck. How well does the ptm 7950 work on the steam deck?
It works great. Not a must on an OLED. But if you have an LCD, it will drop your temps by 5-10c. I was very impressed by it.
The TPM takes time to cure, repeat this test in a month and you be surprised...
Do they have a metal back shell that turns the entire back into a heat sink?
I tested with kingpin Kpx 2c to 3c cooler
Really nice idea 💡
That looks like a pain. I just use a thermal pad
U need more that 4 Mazapan De La Rosa man!!! u have them lying around in your desk....eat them! :)
I was hoping someone would notice I put them there :P
I joked that I should try using it on the Ally at the end but I was too scared!
-Adam
Hey did you do the burn in period?
Where did you buy the ptm?
That's the worst thermal pad application I have ever seen. You tore it many many many times. Even with that it stayed the same as thermal paste.
You could have gotten 2-3 degrees better.
That's a lot to me. but next time put it in the freezer for 30 mins before the application.
and lift in a sharper manner. just lifting in a sharper manner would fix all the issues but you need the extra help. But well done on the video as a whole.
Very cool test - very interesting. That is WAAAY too much paste on the TG Kryonaut application for the die-size. Like triple the amount of what would have been far more than enough lol.
We all know that too much non-conductive paste can't technically hurt, but people cleaning the mess next time it's opened up might be inclined to clean away the masses of excess and thus have a higher risk of damaging the SMDs which are now unnecessarily covered in excess paste.
The thermal pad application looks quite fiddly and difficult to apply, but ultimately it seems to all be a wash - I would keep the stock paste personally.
Thanks for the testing!
Why is this "person" doing "reviews" like this? He obviously has no clue what he's doing and would be better suited to stick with phone reviews. When you start off by letting us know you're terrified to work with Liquid Metal it tells us everything we need to know. Not quite as bad a the "Verge" dude but he's in the ballpark.
100% agree ... 11:07 that's definitely too much for thermal paste . All you need is a very thin layer . That much of thermal paste actually perform worse than having a thinner layer . This guy has NO CLUE at all. I suggest everyonr should Watch some better channels like Linus tech tips videos ... and learn how to do things properly.
Fan cotroler is a solution
Liquid metal next!
So one trip down this road to end up looking foolish wasn't enough?
Never enough 😅
-Adam
Now do it with Liquid Metal 😂🤟
how long until it dries out and becomes ineffective?
It lasts as long as liquid metal. Much longer than traditional paste.
It is supposed to be a lifetime of device material, and the data sheets from honey well says performance increases over time
Are you torn into pieces?
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ok...
Dude. This video was not worth my time. Amatuerish and thrown together.This is PCWorld. You guys can do better than this.
100% agree ... 11:07 that's definitely too much for thermal paste . All you need is a very thin layer . That much of thermal paste actually perform worse than having a thinner layer . This guy has NO CLUE at all. I suggest everyonr should Watch some better channels like Linus tech tips videos ... and learn how to do things properly.
@@bboyalanleung123 Not even what I'm referring too. I meant the lack of information, the lack of planning, the poor execution. The editor tried to save it. But you can't spin flax into gold.
typical BS hype as per the norm any decent thermal paste will do....
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Use liquid metal 😂
11:07 that's definitely too much for thermal paste . All you need is a very thin layer . That much of thermal paste actually perform worse than having a thinner layer . This guy has NO CLUE at all. Watch some Linus tech tips videos ... and learn how to do proper.
Should have used kpx for the paste, i trust kingpin to make the best product on the market, but thats just me, so why not try the best to see if it works ot not