GAS VS DIESEL - Do You REALLY Need A Diesel Truck? - Truck Talk Tuesday [Episode 1]
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- Let's talk about the never ending topic of Gas Vs Diesel. Many folks will claim you need a diesel truck, but I really question the motive behind that decision.
I answer the question of whether or not you really need a diesel in 2017. I answer the question of gas vs diesel based on my experience, limited knowledge, and what makes sense for my business.
What do you guys think? Gas or Diesel? What engine do you guys currently run? Love to hear your opinion! Leave a comment below!
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So you know my thoughts, what are yours! Gas or Diesel? What engine do you guys prefer?
I Love my Cummins but as others have said diesels aren't great now for stop and go, on and off during mowing. It DOES kill the emmisions system. I deleted my 09 after it plugged the dpf about 4 years ago during a snowstorm. it was the best thing I did. I'm keeping that truck as long as I can its only got 86k on it and almost 5,000 engine hrs. Mostly from plowing. I'm currently looking to expand the fleet and been looking at gas trucks that's the route I'm going now gas engines have come a long way in the last 10 years power wise. It's cool to say you got a diesel but the way the epa ruined them it's not the best choice for local landscaping.
True that
Brian's Lawn Maintenance I prefer a 5.9 cummins because of the reliability and the durability of the engine and if I was in your shoes and I wanted a truck I’d prefer getting an older Diesel truck to get better reliability than these new Diesel trucks with emissions bullshit on it
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Brian's Lawn Maintenance You are correct you may not need a diesel to pull what you’re pulling however you have to think about it from an engine stress point. Will your 6.2 gas engine pool that? yes but is it putting 60 to 70 maybe even 80% of its effort into doing so?Where as a diesel engine will pull it no problem however it’s going to be putting 25 or 30% of its effort into doing so.With that being said my boss just switch from a 6.2 L gas engine to the 6.7 L diesel and went from spending $60 a day in gasoline for the truck to spending 25 or $30 a day in diesel for the truck.If you do the math on that he makes back that extra eight or $9000 for the diesel engine within the first year or two.
I’ve been a diesel mechanic by trade for 22 years and I absolutely agree with your evaluation of gas vs. diesel. Only get a diesel if you are towing 10k daily. Don’t get me wrong I love diesel trucks but the cost of them makes it difficult to justify one. That’s why I drive a 20 year old Suburban!!😁
Right! Plus the Emissions on the diesels are the pain! And in Wisconsin it’s very hard to find delete kits for diesels
I think you made the right choice. These new diesels do not like stop & go driving, and extended idle time (going job-to-job in neighborhoods, starting engine and shutting off often). It really takes it toll on the emissions system. Clogs the particulate filter faster & uses DEF much faster.
truckguyjoe All great points, totally agree
I couldn't have said it any better. My 09 6.7 Cummins plugged up from that type of work. Deleting it helped it tremendously. I'm looking now to add a second truck and going gas.
truckguyjoe that’s why I️ bought a 2016 super duty gas I️ looked at diesel thinking this better gas mileage and idle time between jobs then I️ talked to my mechanic and researching diesels are made to run not around town plus the exhaust cleaning system takes a crap and could cost $$$$$$$
truckguyjoe maybe on older trucks, ford has it figured out on the 17-19’s, I have a 18’ 6.7, as a daily, I live 10 miles to work, only have 8900 miles on it, zero issues, my brother has a 17’ with 62k, zero issues, my uncle has a 16’ with 113k, zero issues, all daily drivers. I believe this to be true with most manufacturers, if they sell 1million vehicles and only have 20-30k with issues than that’s normal or a good thing, it’s the luck of the draw when you make a vehicle purchase, your not guaranteed anything, although we expect differently, that’s just being nieve, and stop and go doesn’t use DEF faster, quite the opposite actually, DEF is only injected when exhaust temps reach 800 degrees, atleast on newer ones
Do older diesels have that problem?
As a 20yr mechanic I’ve tried preaching the diesel vs gas thing since the cost of diesel fuel has gone so high. Unless your pulling skid steer plus weight daily all day your never going to benefit from a diesel in cost. I fell into a 07 Cummins because someone didn’t listen (my niece) on not needing a diesel to pull her camper once a month and not knowing how to work on them. Told her if you can work on it a used diesel will bankrupt you. Well 3 months and 6k later I took over the payment but it’s never going to get a plow and will be a heavy haul only next year when I get the 250 gasser
If I wasn’t going to be pulling over 20,000 lbs for my business in the mountains on a consistent basis, I’d get that new Ford 7.3 V8 coming out. But I’m going to go with “need” a diesel, even though a good gasser can do it. I think most diesel buyers could get by with a gasser.
Makes sense man. I appreciate your point of view! No one are loading videos like this. Keep it up!:)
The half ton vs 3/4 trucks would definitely be a good topic to discuss for the lawn care industry. Definitely would like to get your specific opinion on this because I will be looking for a newer truck probably at the end of next year
I think you made a well informed choice. Never heard anyone make that point about the so called higher re-sale value of Diesel. Makes total sense though. I do know that Ive been driving a diesel since 2008 and I have found it overkill for what I need. I dont think I would buy another diesel again. I have had my truck a long time and it has served me well but when I got it gas trucks didnt have the power and torque they do now. Heck even half ton trucks can pull 10,000lbs now, which is unheard of back in 2005 when my truck was made. I also find as I get older that I get tired of the noise and smell of diesel.
+Lawn Care Business Success Absolutely pal I agree 100%
i have a 1997 ford f250 heavy duty 5.8 with 330,000 miles and it works like a champ
Gas...very few people in lawn care need a diesel. Gas is lower cost like you said and lower cost of ownership. I have had a couple 6.4 Powerstrokes over the years. They are fun!
LawnCrack I love those 6.4’s! Fun to drive
Try ram 6,4 Gas!
I have several old 7.3 diesel's and I will not get rid of them. I can tell you run away from any newer diesel engine unless you are rich and money is no object. The newer ones are junk because of the emissions and the sensors have sensors for the sensors.They don't get a significant increase for fuel mileage and diesel fuel cost more and more unreliable. Sad they ruined them..If you do cross country towing or do heavy towing you have to get a diesel. You made the right choice.
Gas vs. Diesel. The age old question. However, the answer would be simple if Ford were to take their 5.0L and put twin turbos on it and put it in the 250. Just sayin, I think that would be the go to engine for everyone who uses the truck for work/daily driver. Low rpm torque, better fuel economy from being a smaller displacement. ;)
Man the 6.2 is a awesome motor. Every bit as powerful as the dearly loved 460. I've driven a 6.2 in a 250 and a 350 dually with heavy utility bed. Very impressive in both trucks.
Just curious, why do you not like the 3.5 eco boost? It has all you mentioned with 470lbs of torque. I get 24 plus miles per gallon with super crew 4X4, when unloaded on the highway.
I went for the gas. I love it. Reasonable mileage. Lots of power. Make sure you get the 4.30 gears. 3.73 gearing is a little bit weak. Difference in mileage negligible.4.30 gears 30 percent more torque.
I'm with you 100% on this. The last new truck I purchased was in 2015. It was just over 53K for a gas model. The upgrade to diesel was an additional $11055! Sure theyre cool but not $11K cool. It just isn't needed for what most of us do not to mention, I don't keep them long enough to make the benefits pay for themselves.
Dan from GTA Landscaping in Toronto Canada. I have both Gas and a Diesel. I find my diesel is much better when it comes to fuel cost on a weekly basis. We maintain over 60 residential lawns weekly and bi-weekly service and when we running our 2010 f250 gas engine we were spending between 200 to 250 per week but when we switched over to our 2012 F250 Diesel we spent 150 to 180 per week. Yes agree it's a lot more cost wise when purchasing but I definitely see the cost savings. Our biggest expense is fuel and labor in the landscaping business. I love my diesel when we pull our Bobcat and 2 ton excavator you can feel the power to pull. To my opinion if you service your equipment regularly it will last longer just like any machine.
Good advice, agreed!
I agree 100% with you Brian. We purchased a gas F-250 as well. We couldn't justify the Diesel option. When we considered how much we needed to tow and price of diesel vs gas it was a no brainer.
"You're paying for that resale value up front." Exactly. A nice 6.2 V8 will do fine. Heck, I drive a '93 F-150 with the 5.8L, and it tows my trailer and lawn equipment just fine. Not much affected by the additional weight. Keep up on the brakes, trailer brakes and oil changes, and you'll be fine!
Amen pal
I been flip flopping back and forth on gas vs diesel but u r 100% right it cost more. And if u go out of state and u run into a problem on the road with a diesel your going have to fig it out and find a shop to fix it. With gas just take it to a shop and give them 3h and your back on the road. Plus it may be harder to find clean diesel OTR in some areas.
All great points! Very true. Had mine 5 months, no complaint at all!
I jast got the 2018 gas and I love it so far. I pull a 32ft RV that's about 8,500 lbs up a 6% grade every weekend which is ok. I have to go in 2nd gear and do 35mph but it gets me to the top. Sure a diesel would take me to the top at 60 but saving 9,000 bucks was worth it. I agree with you on repairs. A diesel would break your bank.
Could not agree more. The new 6.2 are extremely powerful. I let my neighbor load my dump trailer full of wood, unsupervised. When I came to pic the trailer up, I thought the wheels were going to bow off the trailer. The truck pulled it no problem. Unless your doing long, highway towing like a transport truck, gas is the way to go!
Your thoughts are right in line with mine. Most the diesels I see are grocery getters and a few people who actually need them.
Spot on. I went with a diesel......i tow a bobcat and job trailers daily for concrete construction. You made the right choice. The 6.2 is a great engine with plenty of power for general towing. The first time I drove a 6.2 f250 I was like holy crap this thing hauls @ss!
Thanks pal!
Yes it does
You made the right decision! The best value out is a 05 - 07 6.0 then “bulletproof” it...should be around $22,000 to $28,000. Stay away from 6.4 and heaven forbid you have caught in a “ReGen” on 6.7...to many emissions! 6.7 are made to run hard and for long periods and not a grocery getter. Nice truck, I would have done the same thing!
I agree, buy diesel only if pulling heavier loads and need the power. I just bought a new 2017 ram 1500 crew cab with the 5.7 litre hemi. I love it , has more than enough power for what I need and has 4x4 for the winter.
Totally agree. I had my first diesel way back before anyone had them. Engines last much longer now but the rest is all the same. Glow plugs, injector,filters, costs a ton to fix and they smell. If your diesel does not start your screwed. Gas is the way to go. I think once everyone gets over the diesel thing will all be laughing at why we all need a diesel. Like you said long haul with a trailer would be the only exception.
you touched on all the major points i touch on when people ask me this question. the only time you should buy a diesel is when you absolutely need it. i mean if your flowing in cash and dont mind blowing tens of thousands of dollars for nothing, then by all means but for the rest of us that need to make a logical purchase your right on the money. not to mention the lastes gas heavy duty engines (6.2 6.0 and 6.4) are all very very strong capable engines
Thanks pal
After lemon lawing 2 powerstrokes and a Cummins having a brand new completely stock truck in the shop for 65 days I went gas and I'll never go back I haul 11000 lbs with my stock trailer never had a single problem or a hill I couldn't climb
Well I hope you are right about the gasser. I just sold off a Titan diesel after only 20 months of ownership. These new diesels suck with the emissions. I had a 6.0 before that I deleted egr on and it was way better. The Titan I had in shop a couple of times for emissions and a couple of other small things. The cost of maintenance was insane if you have the dealer do it. it cost me 249.00 for fuel filters, 89 for oil, and every 20k they recommended tranny and diff flush. Last time I was in it cost me nearly 800 bucks on a truck with 20k miles on it. Only reason I paid dealer is because I didnt want to give them any excuse to not warranty the truck. I purchased a 6.2 2017 lariat with 9k miles on it. I am flying 1500 miles from texas to pick it up in CT this next weekend. My Titan did tow nice but really thinking I wont notice much but the higher rpms and fuel mileage while towing.
For my usage, the 6.2L gas made more since that the 6.7L diesel. With my truck, I can still pull my brother's 22k tandem dually gosseneck trailer with a 14K tractor on top just fine. Plus, owning a gasser, the cost of ownership is almost nil compared to owning a diesel.
Your decision was well thought out. I think if a guy is hauling less than 9000 pounds on a consistent basis, a 6.2 is they way to go. My uncle is a rancher who pulls a 32’ goose neck stock trailer loaded with about 7000 lbs of three string bales of hay and uses a 6.2. He simply can’t afford a diesel and the 6.2 does the job. It’s not a fast, but when your pulling that much weight, it’s not a race. He also pulls the same trailer loaded with calves to the sale barn about six times each fall and again the 6.2 works. All of this at elevations over 6000’.
Also running short distances that you do the diesel would never get to peak operating temperature. Witch would cost in the long run on maintenance/repair
I totally agree with Gas I pull Travel trailers all over in the summer Delivery/Setup I am totally fine with gas! And the cost of repairs are way cheaper and not to mention repair down time faster with gas! Great Video! Cheers... :)
What about the gas mileage? We are getting ready to buy a 35’ rv
I tow a 30 Ft travel trailer and have both a diesel and gas truck. The Gas gets 8-10 Mpg and the diesel is a solid 14-16Mpg with a larger gas tank so I can go even further. I prefer towing with my diesel all day every day.
You made a great choice. As you said unless your hauling heavy loads nonstop across the country or something where you really need the Diesel, Its not worth it. The premium cost for a diesel upfront isn't worth it unless you hold onto the truck forever. The 6.2 is a great motor though. I have a 2014 F-350 with the 6.2 and I regularly tow between 5k-6k and the motors plenty of power. Best of luck for the future and look forward to more videos like this.
Thanks pal, good to hear that! Rock on
Love my 17 f250 with the 6.7 it's a money maker but I did pay cash in full. We haul 6 ton of material at least 3 days a week
Many of the people that give me shit at work etc about going with the 6.2 (traded in my 2016 6.7 for it) drive 65,000 dollar brand new 6.7’s that have never pulled a trailer or have pulled a trailer that belongs behind a ranger lol they usually bring up mileage as a big plus a lot too which I will agree, my 6.7 got better mileage but not by much when unloaded. Towing was a different story, the diesel got much better mileage, but I still pay less for fuel now sooooo.......I guess I never saw the “big” savings there unless you towed for a living on a daily basis where the small savings over long periods of time would be worth it. Also maintenance costs are much much lower. I hauled two chords of wood to my house recently and it didn’t even know the weight was back there, rode really nice too! Diesels can pull a ton of weight and if you need one, I totally understand but many of the people who push the diesel so much don’t even use it for what it was intended. Just the ability to say, “I have the 6.7”.
Agreed 100%
I am with you on the diesel. I bought a crew cab XLT in 2017 and it had its share of injector issues. Friends of mine seem to live in regeneration mode. If I had the courage to do the DPF/DEF delete and run a 5" exhaust, I would stick with diesel, but I don't, so I didn't. I ordered a 2019 F350 Regular Cabwith 6.2 and 4.30 gears. I don't tow, but I want to run a good 37-38" tire and don't want to regear.
If ford came back out with a 4.9 I6 for SuperDuties but with modern goodies like 24 valves 6 bolt mains and in Ecoboost form, that would be very impressive!
Maybe talk about tires. All terrain vs all season vs snow-specific, etc
Great topic! Stay tuned, that's coming!
I couldn't agree more with your logic. I ending up getting the cummins 2500 just because the dealer had a promo to upgrade at no additional cost. ...$0
A bunch of big landscape companies here had Ford diesels F-250-550 and I always saw them broke down along the highway. Now it’s been a year or so and I see them all running the 6.2 gas except for their big dump trucks. I am looking at an F-250 King Ranch and need to evaluate if I can trust the 6.2 since I always had 5.0 , 5.8 and 5.4 engines which all were easy peasy maintenance and had long lives. Good big with very good points. Drive say and stay safe so you can continue to enjoy the ride y’all. 👍🏻
Coming from a Powerstroke owner, you made the right choice based on your needs. Absolutely. A new 3.5 EcoBoost F-150 would have been more than enough for you honestly. They're twice the truck your old one was. But, I love the new Super Duty as well and you're probably not in that truck much more at all than a loaded 3.5 F-150. Those suckers are $$$ too. Great choice again.
Thanks pal. I needed the 250 for plowing, but otherwise yeah, the 3.5 F150 is an awesome option.
Brian's Lawn Maintenance Ahh I must have missed the part about the plow. Another good reason for your choice.
I just run car tires on my trailer. They are rated for more than my axles and aren't limited to 55mph. I've never had any issues.
Trailer tires have more ply making them much stronger and last longer.
You present a great bunchs of points for gas and I agree. You may wish you had diesel for plowing. Bottom line numbers talk 10 000 isn't pocket change
Truth.
Great Truck, Great points! Not sure where you’re living. In Wisconsin during the winter when we get 10” of wet snow diesel is a great bonus, I agree with some of the previous posts buy 5 years old or so, save on the $9k difference. Gas vs diesel on mileage is usually 50% greater towing (compared 7.4l and 5.8, and 5.0 gasser to 7.3s- no emissions :) )get about 6-10 towing with gas and 14.5-16 with 7.3 towing the following: 10ft dump trailer with 6ft sides-bobcat, compact tractor, 3/4” stone, sand, wood chips and 7x16.5 car trailer 2 diesel commercial lawn mowers- Ferris and deere.
Yeah for sure I feel ya
Finally someone addressed the higher resale value of diesels. I have a 20 year old 7.3 and it works for me with an 11,000 lb 5th wheel. I'm keeping it because in the diesel world a 7.3 is cheap to maintain. If that truck needed to be replaced and I went new, I'd go gas. The cost for new is crazy and I only tow maybe 2-3000 miles a year and hit mountains maybe one week a year. The extra power would be nice, but its a nice-to-have and not a have-to-have.
in most cases i agree diesel is not worth the upgrade in price. the only reason i got one for my truck was because they pretty much threw it in because of the sale at the time (chevy colorado 2.8L Dmax)
Best Gas vs diesel video ever ! Very neutral and honest video !
Great topic Brian , congrats on your new truck. She's a beaut ! I bought a new 2016 Ram 2500 last year with a Cummins 6.7 Diesel because I was seriously thinking about doing some hot shot work. Afterwards , I some how got into mowing last summer . You are right , I don't need the diesel for what I'm doing with it but I may go ahead and buy a 30' float for winter work. Not much snow here in Oklahoma. Just a few thoughts ! Take care.
I understand completely why you bought a new gas powered truck I did the same thing, I bought a 2016 GMC 2500 regular cab with the 6.0 liter because I didn't have a trade in to offset the cost and I have an 08 Duramax with 280000 miles in my fleet that's bought and paid for but for the snow plowing I do a crew cab dually isn't practical and I wanted to have a new truck that I could 100 percent rely on. My plan though is to trade my truck in when it's paid off and replace with a Duramax. As far as general maintenance the cost difference per year with the DEF fluid factored in is maybe less than $200 dollars more and at least with the Duramax Diesel they are so refined that you don't see the big issues like the 01-04 injector problems. As far as the Ram with the Cummins they are still plagued with software issues relating to their emissions systems and Ford in my opinion seems to be unable to build a reliable diesel engine. The new 6.7 is the best engine they've had since the 7.3 but it's far from perfect. Finally with the extra $10000 price tag it is a big hit up front but they hold their resale value if you keep up on your maintenance and you keep the chassis from rotting right out. I can still sell a rust free 2001 Chevy 2500 cab and a half short bed Duramax with under 150000 miles for 20 to 25 grand.
I went with the 6.7 powerstroke. For what you do the gas is the only way to go. I tow anywhere between 7500-17000 pounds, so it makes sense to go with the diesel. I can cruise 75 do with 15k+ uphill.
You made the right choice for sure. Im about to purchase a new truck this year and going gas bc for what I pull diesel is just not needed. Not to mention the higher upkeep cost.
What ya picking up bro?
Brian's Lawn Maintenance 6.2 gmc or Silverado. In between 3 different trucks at the moment.
Congrats bro
Hey Brian my brother in the lawn business remember when I said I wanted to go with the ram 6.7 Cummins. I test drove it .don't get me wrong its a beautiful truck but it was more of a soccer dad's truck. My choice was the f250 exteaded cab I will not call it the super cab lol. No Sun roof I love it even though Ford has a lot of bad things going for it you know your driving a truck. And not a car with a bed
Get whatever truck works for you pal. I don’t think the Ford’s have “anything going bad for it”. Don’t lean on other people’s opinions to buy a truck. You’ll find nothing but mixed reviews and few facts presented.
I pulled 13500lbs all last year with a 6.2l and really didn't notice anything but fuel economy and green light acceleration over my 6.7 diesel. The motor is more than capable no justification needed. The trailer was 3700lbs with a mini Ex that would very in weight depending on the bucket/ attachment. Stock weight of the mini is 9500lbs. Also my 6.7 has sensors/DEF faults all the damn time and has had them since day one. It doesn't break down and never leaves me stranded but it does cause downtime when they are in the dealership getting worked on. Never saw one light on the 6.2 over 65000km
Not much else to say man. 100 percent agree with you. I also went with a gasser f250 recently. Perfect for lawncare. I thought I wanted a diesel until I ran the numbers of my business.
Ya I mulled over the decision for 6 months. I am so happy I went gasser.
Good video. I think the diesels are total overkill in North America, I know they pull quite heavy loads but they are way too expensive to buy and maintain from what I can see. I know they can be very luxurious as well as get a job done but the expense is nuts. Your weight you pull isn't too high but you can get a Ford Ranger in Ireland with a 3.2L diesel or even a 2.2L diesel that's rated to tow 7,714 pounds.
I agree with everything you said in this video. I was in the exact same boat as you it seems. I had a 2009 F150 and went with a 2013 F250 (6.2 Gas). Wanted a diesel to pull my travel trailer with but didn’t want the extra cost upfront and extra maintenance cost. Since I don’t pull everyday then I couldn’t justify the extra cost. My 6.2 gas pulls a 33’ camper that weighs in at almost 9K loaded just fine. Thanks for the video
We have both we try to stick to diesels for our big manufacturing plants and private roads and gasser for residential driveways and smaller lots. Our diesels are 7.3 workhorses
Smart choice getting a gas since you do a lot of starting and stopping! I have a F350 with a 7.3 and I do not like using it for mowing. Just bought a F250 with a gas V10 for the mowing crew. I love my 7.3 but gas is best for mowing rigs!
I was just going to say that most landscapers don't need all that and torque and horsepower now if you were in construction then yes it's just a waist of money in my opinion
The diesel just has the cool Factor! Diesel generally have less payload and can make snow plowing difficult, if you need your payload available for your snow plow and your ballast...
True. I don't know if you can even put a DXT on a 250 chassis with a diesel for example. Probably a 350 would be needed.
I figured up the numbers for myself recently and came to the conclusion that the diesel versus gasoline would cost about 20 to 25 thousand dollars extra over a course of 10 years. This calculates in fuel economy, fuel price, maintenance, initially investment, Etc. When you look at it that's the cost of a pretty good used truck that you would be paying extra to run the diesel.
I bought a diesel because of the power that it provides! Now granted it's not a 2017, it's a 2006! And that's what I really wanted! Because anything diesel after 2011 has the DEF fluid tank! But I plan on upgrading in a few years. Most of my accounts are not as close knit as some of the guys in the industry! I have a lot of rural yards as well
I agree, the older trucks are super popular for that reason, no DEF crap!
Wise choice Brian. Good solid reasons for your decision.
Talk about any other add-ons you might be doing for the truck besides the plow. Maybe some LED light bars, bed liner, etc.
Ok here's my issue. Like you I bought the same 17 f250. I traded in my 2011 6.7 diesel in because I used it year round for lawn and snow. I did have issues with the emissions and the tranny was starting to have issues at just over 100k. So I bought mine in April, and then I went out and upgraded my skid steer and so on. Well I really got busy with the skid steer and traveling putting in lawns and odd jobs. There is a huge difference obviously, in the 2 motors. Going from 0-60 it's a dog, the continuous down shifting is really annoying and the fuel millage is really bad. Now that is my input between going from a diesel to a gas. And I wasn't planning on hauling heavy equipment that much and that's just how my business is going. You have to plan on always growing your business and be ready. I was out of warranty and did not want to replace the tranny and egr system. Lots of money right?. But I now look at it this way, my main truck is my baby and it needs to be ready and be able to do anything and pull anything. And honestly my baby will never be out of warranty again because I'll never have it that long. I will probably get rid of it this spring and go back to the diesel set up. When you up grade again, it will be well worth it and you will probably never go back. I tried it and I do regret it sadly. Now I run Ford truck ( 2 others) a v10 and a 6.0. Those are the back ups. Love the 6.0 (bulletproof). V10 huge gas guzzler but good motor.😊⛽⛽. Love everything about the new truck but there is a big differance going from a diesel to a gas motor. But like everyone says, different situations.
All good points, and I agree 100%. In this example, I know for a fact I will never get into landscaping full time, nor landscaping anything that is heavy or can't be delivered for me from the Siteone I go to. I can still grow into this truck with more guys, pulling more mowers, and that right there is all I need to be able to have to double my income still in the next 12-24 months. And that is where I tap out with this business model, and that is just perfect for what I am trying to accomplish with it. Great points like you said about future expectations and where you want the business to be in 2-5 years.
Like yourself I started in 06, and continued to grow. Best of luck brother, you'll be just fine. Soon you will be running 2 trucks all week and killin it. Just remember, I was told this years ago, don't get too big to fast.
I understand the lack of power from the 4.6. I would like to see a couple videos from you about your truck.
1: Fuel Mileage in town and highway both pulling trailer and no trailer
2: Power / Drivability pulling trailer on highway at 60-70
I owned three gas trucks with 350s in them. All were good. Then I bought a used Dodge diesel and it really opened my eyes. The power is literally twice what I had before. Is it needed for lawn care? Probably not. But let’s face it Brian, none of us need new trucks, we could easily get by with a 1975 truck for $2000. I love my diesel and would buy another in a heartbeat.
True true ha!
I owned a 2015 6.2 f250, it’s a very solid truck and engine. As the rig grew, I had to upgrade to a diesel. The 6.2 was averaging 4-5 mpg.. I couldn’t take it any more. That’s hauling 9-10k daily on the hitch. Upgraded to a 2016 f250 diesel and it’s night and day. 12 mpg hauling the same rig. Soon as I roll 100k and delete it the mpg will increase even more. If you’re hauling light, gasser.. soon as you’re hauling heavy, diesel.
Bingo
I think a diesel is worth it if you’re towing or planning on keeping it for a life time. I don’t buy vehicles to trade them in. That’s such a waste of money and a guaranteed loss. I buy vehicles to keep them. And diesels go way more than 350,000 miles. But the new diesels are crazy with always needing the additives when you fill up. That’s just a flat out pain. Plus I tow a tractor occasionally. It’s all what you need.
I have a 2015 ram 1500 with Hemi 6inch lift and 37 inch tires . I pull a 6x12 v nose trailer everyday for work and avg. 10.6 mpg. Never had a diesel so I can’t compare the two .
Yeah, I agree I bought the gas 6.2L instead of 6.,7 Diesel too. I opened up the engine compartment in the diesel and the gas. The diesel engine barely fits in the compartment but the gas engine there much more room. It would be easier and cheaper to maintain gas. Also, I Won't be hauling extreme loads either. One thing I got was 4 wheel drive for snow and for off-road because that will be my environment.
You're spot on. And this next year gas towing capacity is going to skyrocket AND you'll be seeing 4 cylinder motors in trucks. Diesel sucks in so many ways. Fuel price, DEF, repair, modifying, cost. No one should buy one until they get the new emissions figured out.
GM Emissions are figured out, Watch a Gale Banks video bud. I thought the same thing til I watched it.
I have a 2004 Dodge 2500 with a 5.9L with 215k miles. I mainly have the truck to tow the boat and like the power the diesel puts out. My F150 with a 5.4L tows the boat however the truck works very hard even though the boat is within the limits. If I had a lawn business with frequent short stops then gas would be more practical. I also like the fact that my diesel is pre-emission requirements and has been very economical.
You pretty much hit on all the points. The only reason to go diesel is if you do a LOT of heavy towing. The "better resale" thing always made me laugh. Yeah, sure it's worth more because you PAID more! lol
Lol yup, folks who drink the kool-aid say stuff like that. Resale, ha.
The best thing about plowing with a diesel is when you're in deep heavy snow. You have the power to push plus the weight to keep the front end from sliding sideways when the plow is angled. The same truck with a gas engine will have front end slide, the diesel pushes straight through. Besides that, no problem with a gasser. It's all about traction, so tires probably make a bigger difference. I've been plowing snow for over 40 years. Retired from it two years ago!
Just got a f250 lariat 6.7 powerstroke ..... because I can😎👌
You made a very good argument in regards to not needing a diesel to drag the lawn trailer. I'm inclined to believe the justification for the diesel has to be your snowplowing work with the truck. Thanks for the video, since I'm looking to replace my present truck. With today's half ton towing abilities, I can't justify the extra insurance with the 3/4 ton (commercial here in Florida). As far a resale, I had purchased a 2006 3/4 Dodge 4x4 new for about $45k. I got $21.5k after 5 years with 215k on the clock. Yeah, diesels do hold their value! Keep up the great videos!
Gregory Bogart good argument except towing in the right lane. Right lanes are for merge traffic and not ideal for heavy equipment. If the traffic is driving 80mph, my truck and equipment will also be ability to easily handle those speeds or more . That’s just me being safe out there and not impressing others.
But strong reality in this vid against diesels and being financially able to afford your payments.
Definitely make a topic about work truck modifications, i.e. bed liner, side caps, backracks, brushguards etc
Gregory Parachojuk 2 of those I can do. Got that in the works 👊
Gregory Parachojuk I would also talk about auxiliary backup lights for snow plowing Beacon lights extra parts for your plow, they make a boss accessory kit for that
Spot on. With your lite towing and a mostly in town stop and go driving, the gas motor is definitely the better choice.
Personally I went diesel, because 90% of my driving is Highway and that's where the fuel economy gains really show over a gas motor (and rolling down the highway is what the new emission systems like).
Both are great trucks, glad you're enjoying yours. keep up the good videos!
Thanks you too!
I have a 2011 6.7 diesel that is in shop right now with HPFP failure...costs of repairs are ridiculous. I do tow a 9,000 lb travel trailer but if I now wish I never got this diesel. This repair will be close to $10K!
You made the right choice,diesel is way too much 💰.i love my 6.2, mileage hurts the wallet a little but I know I made the right choice.keep up the great videos..Brian K
The newer diesel trucks with all of their new emissions crap aren't designed for short trips as much as I love the diesel trucks unless you are going to delete all the emissions equipment and tune it the gas is what you want. It's much easier to maintain a gas truck then diesel
Another good video. It seems like you made the practical choice rather than spending the extra money for something you don't need just to feed your ego. I've learned a lot from your channel. Thanks Brian.
Thanks Dayton
My experience new diesels have way to many problems. I’m going with gas for my business
I have a f 350 lariat with a gas engine. I also could not justify the extra money just to tow a mowing trailer and plow.you made a good choice. Happy Thanksgiving.
I went with gas and pull at least 7000 lbs or more every day and I can say so far I’m very pleased my new 6.2 pulls way better than my old 7.3 do and I don’t have all the emissions bull crap to deal with
nice tesla hat by the way. like you said it all in what you have to use if for. my stepfather work heavy equipment and has a 300 gallon diesel fuel tank and compressor and welders and he has the 350 diesel. he needs and uses all the power his diesel put out. he has his play truck and its an f250 lariat i think fx4 like your but its a 2013 and gas. this one has the cabover camper and has a removable 5th wheel hitch for if he need to haul a 5th wheel. but power wise his f250 never misses a beat with the camper and his 16 foot boat behind it.
I think for your situation you chose right and getting the gas. I'm kind of in the same situation with my business and I currently have a F150 but I need a little more payload but I don't need a diesel.
good choice i have a 2012 ford f250 gas i love it
I've owned both. It all depends on what you want and can afford. Currently I have a gas engine. Honestly the truck I have now I just got a deal I could not pass up. Will I ever get another diesel engine?! Yeah I plan on it. Just a preference but I'll have both. Like you said do what works for you. Good vid and great points.
Thanks man for helping the diesel verses gas debate, diesels hold 15+ quarts of oil, larger oil filter add MPG versus maintenance.
Hi Brian, Just subscribed to your channel, you are right on gas vs diesel, I have two of each the diesels are the ones getting high mileage and most of heavy towing, the gas plow and sand/salt, in the off season they run lighter loads, the diesels are by far much more expensive to buy and operate, next time will be just gas with very little options, they are only work trucks the more you pay out the more you lose, I run a 8-10 year replacement, after that many years of plowing you don't get much for them I just send mine to auction now.
Thanks and good info!
Today's diesels are having issues with DEF system. Gas is fine as long as you aren't towing extreme weight. I do feel what you bought you could of bought a nice one ton dump truck that would make you money with a large dump capacity. My choice would of been a gas dump.
Ya I just don't do much landscaping, but dumps are nice! Everything I would need I could get delivered for next to nothing. My SiteOne is 3 minutes from my house, ha!
My neighbor tows his 6000 pound boat with a diesel Porsche SUV. Your clients would be really impressed if you pulled up to cut their grass with a Porsche.
Nice
Your neighbor is a doofus
My Dad Bought A
2017 Ford F-250 Standard XLT In Black With A 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel Because We Have A 37ft Long 5th Wheel Trailer & We Needed The Diesel Because If We Had The Gas We Could Not Pull It. 👍🏻
Diesels are no longer worth the price dif. Years ago at 4k, it was. At 10k, imo, no. Great analysis Brian.
Totally buddy
one thing you need to address is if you buy truck you have to write it off in 3 years if you lease it you can write off monthly payment Im thinking about a ram eco diesel
15yrs ago, I would've disagreed...
...but for those who don't require the slight boost in towing capacity, I'm all for FORD gasoline engines. I don't care if other companies claim more torque/horsepower. I've driven them all. Ford simply has the best combination of usable power, dependability, and efficiency. My only complaint, is that they don't offer the 5.0L in the F250.
Also, for people who typically drive around the 70-75mph or less range... you can get the 4.30 axle ratio in an F250 WITHOUT having to buy a commercial truck, and without having to buy some extremely expensive trim package. If you're a small business owner who's not in the fleet purchase market, Ford has the best company/service truck options. You can buy a stripped XL with vinyl interior, 4wd, 4.30 E-locker axles, extended range fuel tank, and NOTHING YOU DON'T NEED... for THOUSANDS less than the competition. What's so great beyond price point? Less to break/fail/replace over an easy 400k mile lifespan, and maintenance is A LOT cheaper.
I'm a huge fan of the old mechanical Cummins diesels, and I still love a 7.3 Powerstroke... but you can't buy one new with a warranty. As a professional hauler with more than 2 million miles in the seat, and more experience with modern DEF/catalyst diesels than I care to mention... I'm all for a gasoline engine in a pickup.
I just wish Ford would either offer the 5.0L in the F250, or design a 6.2L with a 32-valve head. with the right cam profile, it would seriously improve the low RPM performance and throttle response (the only thing I hate about the 6.2L)... but it's still better than other domestic offerings.
Wow, thanks for the tips and insight. And congrats on your driving record! My neighbor just passed 1 million miles. The company gave him an Outback giftcard.. LOL But thank you for the input, I agree 100% on what you added.
I think both newer diesel and gas pick up engines can last +300k miles easy. With proper maintenance. Great video!
I'll speak for just myself. Diesel is the way to go when towing, even lawn trailers. I own and run 5 diesel pickups that tow Lawn trailers every day. There is absolutely an up front cost difference but the overall savings is tremendous. Each truck runs about 35,000 or more miles each year (a set of tires). Your savings begin with fuel, diesels are built to pull more and run at lower RPM's therefore gaining better fuel mileage. Running at lower RPM's and less stress on the drivetrain leads to less repair for the abuse these trucks take (and all 5 are also plow trucks) and that leads into an extended life for the truck. When I ran gas trucks I was lucky to get 150,000 out of one, and yes we are religious on routine maintenance. Now, I have no problem running a diesel 200,000 to 300,000 miles and more. Trucks to me are a tool just like a mower or a rake. They are there to serve a purpose to accomplish a goal as efficiently as possible. You could mow yards with a commercial 48 but it is more efficient to pay extra for the 60 and mow more yards every day. Food for thought.