My friend watches The Amazing Spider-Man for the FIRST time
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Thanks so much for watching everyone! I know this one has been requested for a LONG time. Glad we all got to watch it together. The rest of the gang will be back in the future!
Also, the full reaction to this one should be up on Patreon in the next day or so. Thanks so much for watching!
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Love the MFW and MGFW combo!
Finally. So exciting to see everyone's reactions on this one!
Omg that special opening!
*sees thumbnail*
This does bring a smile to my face
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Yes, Flash becomes Spider-man’s ultimate fanboy almost every time.
It's his character arc in a lot of comics as well xD
Yeah, it’s Flash’s thing, he dislikes Peter but likes Spider-Man
@@SpiderBatFan Also later on depending on the universe becomes Agent Venom
Even in spectacular spiderman he becomes spudermans fanboy
Basicly every flash becomes a fanboy of spiderman
@@littlesparrow303 and even later learns Peter is Spiderman and actually becomes friends with Peter alongside apologizing for bullying him.
Andrew is a seriously under rated actor, I'd highly recommend watching Hacksaw Ridge and Silence just for his performance in them if you haven't yet.
Whole heartedly agree. Love Andrew. He should've gotten an Oscar for one of those performances
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Hacksaw is my favourite movie so I’m definitely with you on that one 👍
Hacksaw Ridge is one of the best War Movies ever made imo, and a fantastic movie in general
How is he underrated then? People praise him constantly.
Matt had an issue with spiderman trash-talking but that's pretty accurate in the comics and still the only spiderman that has done it.
Exactly
facts
Yes Spider-Man always did quips and trash talk to the bad guys in the cartoons also. Trash talking and quips was even his super power for the comic strip suit in the first Marvel Spider-Man Game
well tobey did some trash talking in the trilogy but not as much as andrew
Yea but something I had a problem with Andrew was that I don’t think it was balanced really well. To me it came off as really annoying. But that’s just me
I mean.. Toby's Peter's motivation for becoming Spider-Man was to get money to buy a car to impress the girl.
Then it was "Hunt down the killer". It wasn't until later into the movie that he decided that he can use his powers for good. Just like this movie's Peter.
I mean I agree but Tobey didn't want to use his powers for good to make money and he only properly became spiderman because he also wanted to hunt down the killer and after that he just decides to keep on doing that
i-is that not what andrew did?-
@@NinjaC Yeah. That's what I said.
They're making Toby's Peter out to be morally better than Andrew's Peter. Which isn't true at all. They're literally the exact same.
Toby's Peter gets his powers and immediately uses them to try to make money to buy a car to impress the girl he likes. He doesn't go straight into hero mode. He then uses his powers to hunt down the dude that killed Uncle Ben.
Which; as I state in my comment; is the exact same thing Andrew's Peter does.
@@Saimeren right right okay
Jen: I'm a little worried that so many ppl are playing spooderman.
DC: HOLD MY BATMAN!
True
She shouldn't be, this is actually a good thing cause we'll have many more different iterations of the character.
Literally only 3 actors batman superman have been through multiple
@@Rushking20 i think they include the batman from the 60s and 80s and 90s but ye in the last few years it's not more than spiderman
@@arush8133 keep it in your pants tough guy, he's clearly saying she shouldn't be worried and that its actually a + that there are multiple iterations.
Gwen Stacy in TASM is probably the best Peter Parker love interest in all the spider-man movies.
I like her way more than Mary Jane. I do like Cindy Moon who's another great love interest.
Tbh all of his love interests are Rly good, except Kinda Liz and gwen from Spider man 3
Completely agree
It's Emma Stone. Who can resist her?
@@littlesparrow303 the sad thing is this Gwen is actually Ultimate MJ but blonde and with other similarities to what's the Gwen character as a base
Matt’s issue with Spider-Man trash talking and quipping is the reason andrew’s my favorite. That’s one of the biggest things that makes Spider-Man Spider-Man, in the comics when Spidey stops talking that’s when the bad guys know their screwed.
Why do so many people complain about 3 actors playing Spider-Man but nobody ever says that same thing about characters like Batman or Superman who each have been play by over a dozen different actors
Right?! Like make it make sense
EXACTLY
Ikr they are weird
It's cause they all want to keep the one they grew up with as a kid but they don't want to accept that the Raimi movies weren't actually that great. It's the same reason they do the whole "good Spider-Man but bad Peter Parker" thing, even though literally no other superhero gets the same treatment. They want to keep the idea that the Spider-Man they grew up with was the best otherwise they feel like they're failing. It's sad.
Exactly My Point
If Jen doesn’t know Andrew Garfield, I highly recommend watching Hacksaw Ridge. He does an amazing job in that movie
If anything, I was shocked when she said she didn’t know who he was bro fr.
The Social Network as well
Hands down the best movie he's done yet in his career.
or social network
I bought the dvd of Hacksaw Ridge because I saw it playing on tv and loved it! Andrew did an amazing job
Congrats to Jen on catching the fact that Peter’s teacher from the Raimi movies is Curt Conners from this movie!
Wow, never noticed that. My mind is on a plot twist right now. Thanks!
Multiverse confirmed
And also Spike from Notting Hill.
They binge these things man. She maybe watched the other one a week prior. It’s not like she had to wait ten years between them. Lol
it’s not the same actor?
Its funny how Holden doesn't like how Andrews Peter starts off as a revenge thing yet in the Raimi Trilogy that Peter ends up practically leadin a man to falling out a window and dying
The main difference was that the burglar tripped on his own and while Peter was angry… he didn’t have the intent to kill
@@nehemiahbarnes-williams also in Amazing Spiderman he just kinda forgets about the criminal.
@@nehemiahbarnes-williams A slight excuse but is was done better in the Amazing Spider-Man.
@@corneliusquincydavenportic1913 he doesn't forget. He just knows that isn't important anymore. Instead of focusing on 1 killer he should stop someone elses uncle from being killed
@@TaiThePharaoh Not an excuse as much as it is an explanation of character motivations. The Raimi movies handled that plotline way better because at least it stays consistent with Peters arc. In TASM it doesn’t really lead anywhere but that’s my 2 cents🤷♂️
32:38 I agree with Jen. Gwen is a far better character than Mary Jane, and Emma Stone is a far better actress than Kirsten Dunst.
better character? idk if you're talking about the movies or the comics but if you are talking about the comics then hard disagree, MJ has way more personality and a lot more interesting backstory
@@zack8865 Comics? Hell no. Movies? Hell fucking yes.
I woudnt say better actor... But better character for sure
@@zack8865 I mean, we're clearly talking about the movies. Considering this is a comment on s video about the movie.
Maybe so but I'd still take mj over gwen even from the movies.
I like the uncle Ben in this movie because he reminded me exactly of a childhood mentor of mine who passed away the before this came out. His words and even his looks are so similar. It brings me joy seeing him. Rip mr Dave 💗
Really? I was ehhh about Ben, especially the way he died. Wtf is an old man going to do after taking the firearm from the guy? Aim it at him and then what shoot? Making him a hypocrite? The guy would’ve overpowered him and taken it. He had no business doing what he did but ehhhh. Love aunt may, and Andrew’s Peter was solid.
@@discolullaby5777 he likes it cause of a personal experience
@@discolullaby5777 it's his principals and reflex, suppose somehow after a party a female is returning home barefoot and gets caught in between many local gangsters in the middle of the night, what is the first thing she does? try to outrun them while wearing heels. Makes no sense right? but that's reflex, these are the moments where you don't have time to think you just........... Do it
@@arush8133 what you said mades no sense in the literal aspect of view. A female returning to home barefoot? and how could she pull up her heels out of of nowhere to outrun them? If she had time to pull up and put her heels, she could cover long distance by that time. And I don't see how it is connected to reflex. If you are giving an example make it clear and better be connected. And in Uncle Ben's case, it is just fight or flight. Why should he fight someone who was not making a move of those civilians and the fact that he is armed. They just made uncle ben dumb and it is not even any reflex.
@@arush8133 but its literally a consealed carry which is legal lmao. he never saw the robbery so basically, Ben saw someone who dropped their legal gun and tried to steal it? so dumb omg
Even Stan Lee said that he imagined Peter as a nerdy but confident guy, Peter's been always a confident guy in the comics, especially after he graduated high school
even in the spectacular spiderman cartoon he was confident but nobody gonna talk about that
Agreed. Like... My boy dates models and constantly has girls attracted to him. He's not as dweeby as I feel Tobey's Peter Parker was portrayed. Just because you're smart doesn't mean you're socially inept!
@@socialgh0st facts
@@socialgh0st Agreed, I liked Garfields version does have his awkward moments but he's also more confident even if he stumbles. It felt like there was more emotional range than Tobey's. They kinda kept that confidence with Holland's.
@@socialgh0st That's after he gains superpowers. Anyone would gain a huge confidence boost after gaining superpowers.
I loved the suit, because it looks "realistic" and intimidating. A suit someone would make themselves
The all star casting for the grandparents. Sally Field and Martin Sheen, should be highlighted. That helped add depth to those relationships.
I absolutely agree… except that they’re not his grandparents.
@@ParzivalTheThird my bad aunt/uncle.
I dont get the criticism that Andrews peter is revenge driven at first as if tobey wasnt? I get that andrew had the suit and was still out for revenge which is fair but i dont think its fair that andrew gets criticised for being revenge driven at first as if tobey never was. (Keep in mind i much prefer Tobeys movies and adore 1 and 2)
Fr and Tobey even killed the guy that he thought was his uncle’s killer
@@noahmoreno3972 he didn’t but I get what you mean. Both were revenge driven. The only reason it appeared longer in this movie is because he couldn’t the find the guy lmao.
Agreed
@@noahmoreno3972 Did he really kill him
@@tobsonasanya4765 he let him fall to his death so I’d say yeah
Every time Holden say he like Spider-Man 2 I'm like....
We know.
If not anything else, I absolutely LOVE the way Spider-Man moves in this iteration, especially when he crawls around the lizard dude's body like an actual spider. None of the other movies tried that, and I think it's both visually cool and also makes alot of sense characterwise.
Matt must get used to this silly Spiderman humor, cause that's how spiderman is in the comics, Tobey's Spiderman badly accustomed fans with his serious and emotionless attitude xD
Totally agree. Spidey's humor is why he's one of my favorites. Saying that he's trying to be like Deadpool, created 30 years after Spidey, was pretty ridiculous.
100% agree!
Matt sounds stupid.
@@RichAraujo Yeah idk I dont find the reactions with Matt that good.. no offense to holdens friend but the my girlfriend watches are far more enjoyable
2 things:
Peter didn’t just change his motivations after saving a random kid on a bridge. He started to doubt himself during the dinner scene, when Captain Stacy started to explain his actions, and why what Peter was doing wasn’t actually protecting anyone. THEN it was the Bridge Scene. Then right after was the great shot of him staring at his mask on the ground. That whole sequence of scenes was to show his contemplation of what he was really doing. It’s called “showing-not-telling” He then went after the lizard because he felt responsible for helping Dr. Connors create the lizard, and didn’t want innocent people to get hurt.
Also The Lizard didn’t fully change back to Dr. Connors multiple times. Yes, he changed back to human on occasion, but he still had the influence of his Lizard half. So him saving and protecting Peter at the end was to show that he was FULLY restored.
Lmao calm down it’s okay they just had their own thoughts. These things shouldn’t have to be explained so much they should be grasped within an instant during the first watch of the film.
@@jaycemcqueen306 but they are known to not catch on to things a lot and then bring down the movie because of it
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I fully agree and some of their criticisms of this film was things that happened in Tobeys trilogy. Like the whole thing about Andrew hunting down In or Ben's killer which Tobey did in the 1 and 3 Spiderman.
Well said
Matt trying to grasp some bygone jims throughout the movie was hilarious.
It was sad cause they always seemed like they were setting them up and always fell flat.
LMFAOO FR
@@Puckett. facts. Movie is very sub par
I think the big problem was, Sony was trying to put out another Spider Man film, pretty fast after Spider Man 3 kind of "failed" (although commercially it was a HUGE money earner), before the MCU started trying to come in and possibly get ahold of the License and IP. Business wise makes sense, but if you rush things, not necessarily going to come out great all the time.
@@CrazeeAdam and the problem is they could have done better if they just continued from it. Quitting and trying to do it over again from the start is just stupid. They already created this foundation why not improve upon it? I feel like alot of studio drama between rami, tobey etc played a role in what was happening. Because the numbers don’t lie. And even if the reactions weren’t as good as the first 2 they still were overall positive especially if we look at the critics & audience perception of the film. It’s overall positive
The soundtrack is SO good for this one. James Horner's music really soars in this film.
rip
Underrated score
Matt wanted a "with great power comes great responsibility" line so bad, I could see it.
Uncle Ben technically said it, just not in the "same raimi" way which btw THE SAME RAIMI WAY ISNT EVEN THE RIGHT WAY. The NWH way aunt may said is the exact right way for it to be said
I agree with Jen about Gwen. More than Mary Jane, Gwen is actually treated like a true character from the start. Mary Jane was not done justice in the Tobey films, she’s almost like a trophy in the first movie-no depth. Gwen and this spidey have great chemistry and actually feel like a real couple, I couldn’t say that for Tobey and Mary Jane.
Yeah, gwen is more helpful too, she’s smart af and she helps peter a lot, and she is also genuinely loves peter parker not because he’s spiderman, and the fact that she stays with him until the end is more mary jane can do in tobey’s movies 😂
"Andrew Webber is the director?"
"Marc Webb"
Idk why this exchange is so hilarious to me.
This version of Spider-Man was the best BY FAR. So much closer to the comic, chemistry was amazing. Stan Lee had his best roles in these one.
I wouldn't say it was closer to the comic then spiderman 1 which was almost identical to the comics regarding Peter.
Andrews spiderman didn't fight in a boxing ring, Uncle Ben was a lot more stern and strict in this version than wise like in the comics, Peter getting bitten by the spider in the film was incrediblely different from the comics, Norman wasn't even the first green goblin in the sequel only the carrier of some goblin desiese and auny way was infamously older in the comics then in this movie.
Things that were accurate in this movie was Peter making his webshooters, Gwen being a love intrest before MJ I believe, his humour and trash talking and his parents being super spies.
Besides that I would say this version was definitely not the most comic book accurate, but good it actually was is up to you.
Really
@@user-vc5rp7nf8f lol nah, they gave us Spider-Man 1-2 plus far from home. Not Sony's fault the writers/director messed up the 2nd 🤷🏽♂️
@@thekodex1186 not the whole story but the Spiderman aspect of his personality and abilities is the most comic accurate
@@thekodex1186 Raimi's story version was the most closest to date. It's just that Andrew is probably the best wise-cracking Spider-man to date.
Teacher: "Don't make promises you can't keep."
Peter to Gwen: "But those are the best kind."
Gwen in her head: "OMG, he's disrespecting my father's dying wish. He's so hot right now." Lol
It does make sense that Peter focuses only on revenge after Uncle Ben got killed, after all he felt responsible plus it’s also the first thing he did in the comics, he was hellbent on killing his uncle’s killer. Personally I found it interesting that Spider-Man simply started out as a way for him to get revenge only to then realize he can use it to help people and in so having a moral obligation to do so. Neither Toby or Tom focus on the spider bite too much either, it’s something that happens and then there it is, if anything they emphasized it more in this film. Also I simply don’t understand how people hate this suit, it’s the most unique one and it’s honestly gorgeous to look at.
He wanted to right his wrong the only had parts i had problems with was the parent storylines
Well said
I know this might be an unpopular opinion but I really think the Raimi trilogy gets so many upvotes is because of the nostalgia and I don't mean that they're not good. I enjoy watching the Raimi trilogy but I really can't stand Tobey Maguire as either Peter or Spidey. This one though was a pretty good film and doesn't get the credit it deserves. I wish they hadn't fucked up the sequel and Andrew could've gotten some more to do with the character.
The suit is unique. Gorgeous though? I don't agree there. Pete didn't immediately become heroic in the comics, but once Uncle Ben died and he caught/dealt with the burglar Spider-Man was truly born.
I agree. And when Matt mentioned that there was no big moment on the "I am spiderman" bridge scene, my immediate thought is that it was leaning on a more serious feel on Peter's realization that he has the capability to save other people, but it's a really big responsibility. I really liked how Andrew Garfield delivered that line, like his voice cracks. Like Peter is still hesitating to be Spiderman.
Plot twist: Matt 100% knows he can turn the mic off. He just wants to give you a treat during editing
The Amazing Spider-Man has to be the most underrated Spider-Man movie and I honestly think it's accurate to the comics in quite a few ways. Also I loved the intro lol
Andrew's depiction of Peter reminds me of Peter during the Michael J Straczynski comic run of Amazing Spider-Man. I personally like it best and feel it's overall more accurate to comic Spidey in general. Tobey's Peter feels like a dude who's never left the house. That's a little too extreme for a dorky kid imo. Maybe you could get away with saying Tobey's Peter is more akin to Silver age debut comic Peter to a certain extent, but beyond that I don't really think so.
Andrew's portrayal of Peter did give me vibes to Stan Lee's run on Amazing Spider-Man around the time John Romita was the head artist during the late 60s to mid 70s
@@The_Blue_Otaku That's fair. Funny enough, his son John Romita Jr, would be the artist mostly drawing Spider-Man during Straczynski's run. 😆
I love how Jenna always notices something most people didn't, she made a good point about the milk lol
Sassy mate didn’t think I would see u here how’s it goin
I always thought he just didn't have enough money to buy the milk at the moment. Like, he's not poor, but just didn't have the cash on him at the time.
@@mikeoxlong4480 Holy fawk it's Nolsey. How's it going ya druggo?
@@whadiyatalkinabeet9960 yeh nah it’s been pretty fackin good sass mate doin a bit of this bit of that, going smoko
I love Andrew's Spider-Man, but his Peter is alright. It's so odd hearing Jen have the opposite take 😂
Andrew's Spider-Man has the wisecracking, movement, swinging, and action ripped straight from the comics.
Agree his Peter Parker wasn't too good but his spiderman was perfect
I feel the same way, Garfield’s Spider-Man is honestly the best live action portrayal, but his Peter Parker sucked. It’s weird Jen literally described that she felt the opposite of the consensus of most fans.
I was really taken back when she said she didn't like his spiderman.
I swear Toby cracks a total of like 6 or 7 jokes the whole series lol
Andrew's Spider-man had great early career Spider-Man take
Toby's 1 and 2 had good Peter.
Tom's is a good mix but also feels like a new generation. Is defiantly a great teenage Spider-Man.
I feel they rushed so much of the start of Andrew's character development because it was relatively recent to Toby's and they didn't want to release a movie that had too much recycled content. They wanted to hit the ground running (or swinging). I also think thanks to Toby's series Spider-Man's character was as well known outside of comic fans as Superman and Batman at that point. So they took the gamble in rushing what they could. It's where I feel they've done better with Tom.... I understand wanting to see iconic moments but if they have been done and are still fresh in audiences memories, I feel they've got 2 choices, deliver the same thing in a different way and possibly have audiences give a review saying "You can skip the first, it's a recap" OR don't do it and assume the knowledge and reference it, something I feel they have/are doing with Tom's
Using names of the actors for understanding here, actors are all great, the pitfalls of any of them mostly comes to writers and directors.
I think she said it from a acting point of view
I like the Spider-Man suit in this film because it honestly feels like something someone on a budget would make I like that he took different pieces from like mundane items like the eye pieces are from sun glasses and the web shooters are made from handwatches
One of the things I much appreciate in the Webb versions is that the lighting, sets, and costumes look and are real. Where the MCU Spiderman is all CGI, even the suit. And that the villains pose a physical threat, than using technology and Peter never fist fighting
They literally built an entire New York city, practically, on a sound stage. Pretty much everything you see that takes place in the city was shot on set. That sort of film making is something we don't see much in a lot of blockbusters especially something like the MCU as much as I love it.
And when they DO use CGI, it’s literally the best superhero CG ever done.
@Grand Generic You're right in a sense that it isn't CG behind the scenes (besides Iron-Spider suit), however they definitely overlay the whole suit in CGI to cover all the wrinkles that actually make it look real. It comes off super flat looking and lacks actual definition. Watch TASM2 VFX breakdown by Imageworks. TASM series straight up has top tier CGI for any Spider-Man film or superhero films in general imo.
Despite the very unfortunate way the second one turned out, I really think this one is extremely underrated. Super well shot. So human. The CG is incredible. Andrew gave a great performance. Gwen was great in this movie and actually had agency instead of being a damsel in distress. Also just for a matter of personal taste Andrews Peter always resonated with me a lot because he was a lot like me when I was a teenager. He felt more realistic, human, and relatable.
Of course, both movies have great soundtracks (but I prefer TASM 2’s soundtrack), both have great cgi, great action, and great chemistry with the characters.
I think the second one is _also_ extremely underrated.
The second one was good
the second one is goated
Yeah, this is my favorite Spider-Man movie of all.
Jen: “I really liked Tobey Maguire”
*everybody loves a hero*
“they love me!”
"Tobey was a hero. I just couldn't see it."
@@boristheblade9496 goated reply
I love how matt and Jen have just come to love stan lee, especially the fact that matt is pumped and Jen just says "its stan leeeee 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰"
I love Andrew's story because almost everything that happened to him and to the people around him was a direct effect from what his parents did.
Jen: I like Tobey in the suit better than Andrew in the suit.
Holden: okay the marriage is still on
I always thought Andrew was the better Spider-Man personally, he's got the snarky quips and angst -- Tobey just had.... Corny shit to say. Tobey's definitely the best Peter Parker, though.
@@oduinn7948 that’s the point lmao , it’s supposed to be cheesy , you know , because Spider-Man’s jokes are cheesy and lame which is what makes it funny. I like AG as Spider-Man as well but his jokes literally have people being hurt/killed in the background just to make a one liner lmao which to me makes him a worse Spider-Man
I actually think andrews movements in the suit are really really good and Im a fan of it. I also liked the suit alot. that being said I HATE is peter parker
@@donn780 yeah 100% AG web slinging is the best
@@chrisbrown113096 and the little things like the head tilt and the iconic spidey jump
Actually in the comics Betty Brant is his first love interest. Likewise in the comics Peter is not a dork like Tobey, yes he is a nerd but a charismatic one and always had luck with the ladies except for the fact that he always had to attend to spider-man responsibilities
I also love his motivation was revenge. I think Tobey’s Spider-man would’ve donde the same if he hadn’t “killed” Ben’s killer at the beginning. I think its believable that his grief mixed with this new power would fuel him until hes “woken up” with Gwen’s father words and finalle becoming the hero at the bridge.
Overall its not a perfect movie but I think Andrew’s character gets too much shit.
Wait so Liz was after Betty? I thought Liz was before Betty.
@@JBurnz001 well he had a crush for liz but ya know she was like the typical bitchy highschool girl so he dated betty instead
A few years ago I finally could read the first Spider-man issues and you could see the revenge motive and anger in those stories. Peter finally realized he was wrong. As far as I can see this one have a different Peter but a more acurate Spider-man. In the comicbooks Peter gained some charisma under the costume and that´s exactly what I get from this Spider-man. Tobey´s Peter in the other hand was more identical to the original source material. I love the Raimi Spider-man but in those I felt the only fuel that Peter needed was MJ and ant May and in TAS Peter looks emotionally connected to everything, his parents, his uncles, Gwen, Captain Stacy, etc. That was more appealing to me. Anyway I love both of them.
I think Andrew Garfield is the best actor to play Spider-Man and Peter Parker. He can convey emotions without even saying a word.
I think 7 is fair. I think everyone did a fantastic job besides the writers. I genuinely enjoyed Andrew's performance. I think these movies are underrated and I appreciate them trying to take Spider-Man in a different direction... just disappointed by the overall writing. I felt bad for Garfield once these two movies were finished and they moved on to the MCU. I think he could have been a great Peter and Spider-Man with some better writing.
What’s the different direction they took him in you’re referring to?
I agree
Garfield and Emma stone carried this version of the series
Andrew is better actor out of 3 by long margin writer's screwed him up
Andrew ia the best for Playing spiderman but Unfortunately the movie is not the best
I'm actually surprised there was a backlash about Spiderman's suit in this movie. I thought this suit was the best suit out of ALL the spiderman movies. I like the darker color eye lends, I'm not sure what you would call it but the bumpy look the suit has all over looks kind of cool. I think it gives it more details rather than just looking like a smooth cheesy spandex look. So it shocks me that people hated it so much.
The writers were the weak link in the Andrew Garfield movies. The cast did amazing and as much hate these movies get I think they are underrated. They have issues no doubt but I do genuinely enjoy them.
I prefer the suit from the amazing spider man 2 but i like this one too
I personally think the amazing Spider-Man 2’s suit looks cooler than the first one
I do agree though the first suit gets a bunch of unnecessary hate
I think people wanted it to be more comic accurate...
The fact that you think this is better because the classic design is cheesier is everything wrong with the appeal of this movie in my mind.
This movie specifically tries to to pander to people *who don’t like Spider-Man or comic books.* It feels like Bryan Singer made this movie; it doesn’t want to be a good Spider-Man movie at all. It just wants to ride the success of The Dark Knight by making everything edgy and gritty and realistic and modern, except without any real meaning behind it. Movies-especially comic book movies-should either be escapist entertainment or about a message. The older Spider-Man movies were about messages; life lessons like responsibility, perseverance, being steady, forgiveness. This film isn’t about anything; it’s just a darker and more edgy origin story that actually-disgustingly-tries to copy some story beats from the original. Lastly, CBMs shouldn’t be afraid to have fun with themselves. As if comics aren’t chock-full of MCU humor. Just go camp; it’ll pay off. The original Spider-Man movies went camp, and it worked. This movie doesn’t even work as a big dumb action blockbuster because it’s trying way too hard; it’s taking itself way too seriously. Peter quips in like two scenes, but other than that, he’s a broody James-Dean-type character. *THIS MOVIE CHANGED ITS MAIN CHARACTER BECAUSE IT’S ASHAMED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM.*
But that’s just my two cents.
andrew garfield's peter deserves way better material! he's so good in the role and I actually like his take on the character.
“He’s making web shooters out of a watch?” but no issue whatsoever with two organic web shooters on Maguire’s wrists that defy all logic. Cool.
I mean if you told someone i got powers from a spider bite, the first couple of things people are gonna think of is making webs and sticking to things. I get that it's not accurate to the comics but it is way more likely to get that than super strength and spider sense.
@@TheQuadFather45 I’d love to know how spider webs spinners/shooters would end up on that area of the wrist specifically, as well as there being two of them. Spider sense is a mental change, spider strength is a change in overall physique. I highly disagree with your sentiment. Even Raimi himself said it was for simplicity’s sake and nothing more.
@@sparagua851 I'm not talking about the movie makers reasoning or what scientists might say, I'm talking about the average person. If you were talking to the average person and told them to guess what powers you got from a spider bite, they're most likely gonna go for the 2 things most known with spiders. Sticking to walls and spinning webs. Organic web shooters sounds logical to me.
@@TheQuadFather45 so instead of basing your argument on something you can prove, you’re going on the basis of assumption? Not really ideal for an argument, but if you want to hold that opinion that’s fine I guess
I mean your argument is that getting organic web shooters from a supernatural spider bite is totally illogical which you can't prove either. All i was saying is that most people would be like, "oh this guy can make webs after getting powers from a spider? Hmm makes sense." But don't get me wrong, i totally get that it's not accurate to the comics. I've just seen a couple people act like getting web powers from a spider makes absolutely no sense and i just disagree.
Next week from Holden: "Matt's Dog Watches Air Bud".
the dog looked like he enjoyed the movie more than anyone else
I’d tune in
"shut up and take my money,hardman!"
Holden he was sick and he got cured that’s why he turned good, the lizard was still in there when he turned back he even was having inner conflicts, but after the antidote he got cured.
This franchise outshined raimi trilogy in cinematography, cgi, action & swinging, suit, quips, colour grading, soundtracks and yes of course, the romance.
Agree
Definitely not the Action and Soundtrack lmao.
this uncle ben was much more of a tragedy than maquires. earlier when he said if you can do good, you have a moral obligation to do that, and thats why he grabbed the gun, they set it up perfectly and much better than a corny wrestling match, not even to mention the fight they had, something like that happening right after a fight makes it hurt far more
its weird that Matt says that Andrews Spider-man makes such jokes even tho it’s the most comic accurate of all Spider-man adaptations
If the jokes suck, then they suck. And movie is such a different format from comics.
Yeah, he ain't the best Peter, but he's tge best'Spidey
@@Curseco you are taking it all wrong. he just said that andrew was a comic accurate spidey. And it is true . Tobey wasn't much of a wisecrack during fights
None of the live action spider man are accurate to the comics
@@Sid271 Wrong lol
Andrew's performance is still my fav. His acting really won me over and he's still my fav. There are so many comics so honestly just comparing it to the previous movies is where ppl go wrong
I'm surprised Jen had never heard of Andrew Garfield. You should definitely watch The Social Network and Hacksaw Ridge, it has great performances from Garfield.
33:12 You can argue that his motivation wasn't to kill and get revenge for a murder rather he just wanted to catch the person who killed Uncle Ben instead of letting him roam free. In my opinion, I don't think Peter would have killed him if he managed to catch him.
Edit: Also, in Raimi-verse, Peter started out by exploiting his powers to get ahead in the wrestling match at least for the fight we see and then he also "hunts" for Ben's killer and lets him die.
It did start out as revenge though. He goes around beating up random thugs to find the guy. He even says to one of them after he checks for the tattoo “This would’ve been a whole lot worse”, he was probably gonna kill that man or at least give him the beating of a lifetime before turning him in.
In the Rami one yea he hunts down the guy but he doesn’t go around to every thug in New York. When he finds him yea he beats him around for a few seconds until Peter breaks his arm and he trips out the window and dies. But Peter learns his lesson that same night. He’s on the top of a building crying because yeah he may have gotten the guy and now he’s dead but Uncle Ben is still gone and nothing has changed. And after he goes home to comfort Aunt May and they talk about Ben and that’s when he takes to heart what Ben had said about great power and becomes Spider-Man.
Andrews Peter doesn’t learn his lesson about what it means to have the powers he has until the bridge scene which from the montage I’m guessing maybe a week has passed since Ben died. He finally becomes Spider-Man a few days to a week later.
And yes I saw the Andrew films before the Rami ones and I prefer the Rami movies. So I have no “Rami Bias”
@@Smoicast these movies played out very differently though, the thief in this movie was never caught while the thief in the raimi movies died right after uncle ben's death. and peter didnt even forgive sandman for what he did until the ending of the third movie
@@Smoicast Like Zack said, these movies played out different. Your viewpoint makes sense and is def valid but if bully maguire didn’t catch the killer I’m sure he would have done the same and would have gone to any and every thug he could find checking to see if it’s the right one. It gave both versions a very small character arc but it shows each way. Although, the actual reason for Andrew to hunt for the killer is to show the audience how he develops the suit and web-shooters while sticking to the story through a montage. If we got a similar version of tobey building his suit we might not have seen Andrew go around beating people up. (Hopefully that last point was clear it’s kinda weird to write it idk)
@@antoniolandos1650 no I get it but the Andrew montage we see of him making his suit and the webshooters (it’s nice and funny scene don’t get me wrong) but he’s purely making them to go out and beat up thugs to find the guy. He starts off with a mask because the first guy he went up to said he’d remember his face. Tobeys montage yea we see him magically have the suit he drew a few days ago but in his montage after getting the suit he’s doing good stoping criminals and saving ppl. And he’s doing it to honor what Ben wanted Peter to be.
Idk I think I also just blame the fact that Amazing Spider-Man came out after the Dark Knight and then every movie after during that time had to be dark and gritty.
That’s another thing too, a minor complaint, but you’re gonna take Spider-Man a character with bright red and blue colors and only make him fight at night. Only exception bring the school fight with the lizard.
@@Smoicast another excellent debate in the spider-fandom 🤝
That opening was hilarious. I just wish we could’ve heard Tobey’s “Oh my back”
Actually, regarding the “Great Power comes Great Responsibility” line… That’s not exactly a line that Uncle Ben says. Is something that Peter says to himself after he stopped the thief that killed Ben.
However, I have to point this out: When this Uncle Ben confronted Peter and talked about Responsibility and stuff, there’s actually some lines that are copy-paste from the Ultimate Spider-Man comic books. I actually read that comic and I still have it, so knowing that they gave a wink to the Ultimate comics there made me appreciate this movie better.
Close but no cigar, Peter doesn't say it either. The comic's narrator says it- no *character* actually says or thinks it in the original story. It's Stan Lee saying it, not Peter or Ben.
@@CirqueDuFreak2000 Right. Sorry.
@Matt Murdock He did, but as you noted, that idea came MUCH later- like, in the 80s. So the quote is *originally* said by Stan, is my point. It's not some critical part of the origin that Ben must say it.
@Matt Murdock I actually read all of Ultimate Peter as a kid, it was the first comic I ever read start to finish! And I get where you're coming from, my point was just that him not saying the exact words (or in MCU, not saying them at all) shouldn't be taken as a failure of the adaptation necessarily. I liked Ben saying a variation on the concept in ASM, and I liked Tom's Peter expressing a variant on the concept himself in Civil War
@@AdrianKHPkm2797 No you're still on point dude good logic.
I feel Jen enjoyed this Spiderman more than the first ones, but she doesn't want to hurt Holden's feelings. Garfield is a better Peter Parker and a better Spiderman, the suit in the first ones is better because it's a slightly more bright red and blue, and the eyes are not so dark in the Raimi trilogy. But this Spiderman showed the story why his Mom and Dad died, which gave the story more depth. Gwen and Peter had awesome chemistry (no wonder they ended up dating in real life) clearly better than Mary Jane and Peter in the first trilogy. The villain was not as good as Dr Oct or Green Goblin, that was the only criticism you can have really. But he still gave Spiderman a tough challenge. Aunt May here was more like an Aunt, instead of a Grandma like in the Raimi trilogy. Don't really get Holden's criticism of Peter starting off wanting revenge as he gets his abilities, Toby Mcguire did the same thing he went to go fight instead and wanted to beat someone half to death. Overall 8/10.
in holden defense i guess its because it lasted longer in the webb flim but it seems doggy of a arguement to make
@@jadenbryant9283 definitely, it can also be argued that Tobey's Peter was actually successful in his search for revenge (as he essentially caused the death of the person he thought to be his uncles murderer) while Andrew's Peter ended up ditching this thirst for revenge and didn't actually cause any permanent fatalities
Peters motives were not as high as you assume when he first gained his powers. The first thing he used them was to make money to buy a car so he could impress girls. Hence the wrestling and even talk show appearances. I actually like this suit better than the Raimi suit. I did not care for the silvery webs on the suit, the original black webs on red make the suit look less cartoony. Also did not like that the webs were not flat. They where "bumpy" and not flat on the suit.
This is easily the most underrated Spidey film
@@ericb9252 the best spidey*
Gary did you make it to the world's end
@@ericb9252 ok tell a reason why he's the worst. Sorry there's so many reasons why Tobey's the worst out of all
I love how he was waiting for the "with great power comes great responsibility line" and ended up so disappointed.
I like the way they changed the quote
@@_Jesper_ yeah but I still prefer the " With Great Powers comes Great Responsibility " line over this
@@animal-rights I like the way you said "I prefer" instead of something like it is the best or nothing is better than
Matt questions everything these days. Like as if everything's supposed to be logical in films, or COMIC films.
ASM is way more accurate than the raimi ones were. Holden is just one of those blind Tobey lovers who can’t see any flaws in those movies. Andrews suit has gotta be the best live action suit we’ve ever gotten. Stop being a hater Holden
the only thing bad about asm is the sequel
If you mean the suit in the second movie I'll give you that. If you mean this movie's suit then your on crack.
@@xxhobocatxx2869 yeah this suit ain't good, and overall the raimi movies are better, but I love Andrew as spiderman and I prefer this over the MCU movies
It's written poorly though
He's a hater because he has a different opinion.Ok mate
I agree with everything you said, except the MCU version of the great responsibility line being watered down. Peter was 14 in civil war. And..
1. When you can do the things that I can.. (Gets powers)
2. But you don't.. (Doesn't stop the robber)
3. And then the bad things happen.. (Ben dies)
4. They happen because of you.. (Peter feels guilty and responsible for being the indirect cause of uncle ben's death)
These to me, sound exactly like what a 14 year old might make of that.
Now if you're upset about the lack of acknowledgement of Ben in the MCU or Ben not saying the line himself, I would agree with you.
Also agree with everything Matt said. Was really excited to see Jen's reaction and she delivered. I loved her take on the movie. Please watch Spider-verse with her, so she can grasp the multiverse concept better. Love ya Holden :)))
I think that his phrasing was extremely dumb. He doesn’t really sound like a smart individual. 14 year olds don’t talk that way we actually use proper words and form proper sentences lmao
you say you do not agree it was watered down then continue on to prove it was watered down.
@@ohv8550 Okay, give me an "proper" example of you believe a 14 year old Peter Parker would phrase that since you seem to have experience in the extended vocabularies of, I'd assume, a majority of 14 year olds. This is a serious reply, I'm not tryna snarky or anything. Genuinely wanna know your take.
@@donaldcurry1020 I would say it was watered down and downright stupid if Ben said that. It makes sense, to me at least for Peter, but hey, that's just my opinion.
@@blight1658 what do you mean by give you an example?
"I keep finding out there's more people who've played Spider-Man."
Wait until Friend finds out about ITALIAN SPIDER-MAN!
@GamerBear supaida man
The TASM movies aren't my favorite Spider-Man movies, but they have my favorite Spider-Man.
Gwen is not a damsel in destress, like a tool to make Peter act or develop. She's self-sustained and complete part of the movie
As much as people hate TASM2 I think it’s one of my favorite Spider-man movies despite its many flaws. So I’m excited for you all to watch it!
Also does Matt know about the new Batman coming out in 2022?
I see you are a man of culture as well :-)
Matt sitting down after Gwen’s dad didn’t give any bygone jim moments was so funny 😂😂
“That line was so Deadpool”…. Deadpool was based off of Spider-Man… Deadpool’s pitch was basically “let’s make an r rated Spider-Man with guns”…. So technically Deadpool’s lines are so Spider-Man…
I’m so glad to see you guys back for a video like this! I love you guys together watching these movies and Matt like always says the funniest shit and Jen has some funny reactions as well all of you do this is so awesome!
This movie felt like they wrote it, looked at it afterwards, and thought, "We really need some overarcing plotline to carry over into a sequel.... I know, let's go back and add something about Peter's parents into it so even the diehard fans will have a mystery to return for."
"Hmm... that seems odd to throw in at the beginning without more.... so now we have to throw in a teaser at the end."
"There... I'm glad I watched a ton of 90's tv series that discovered by adding an overall main plotline to a weekly serialized drama, we can create the illusion that 'there's this greater purpose to the story' so viewers keep coming back eek to week."
.... ugh....
Love this comment sm
Actually the aspect of peter’s dad was included from the very beginning. The main theme of the movie is about fatherhood and trying to find yourself through looking for something that you lost (sucks that half the lizard scenes were cut out).
If you go back and watch the first trailer for this movie it actually portrays it as a mystery that surrounds Peter’s parents. That was Marc Webb’s original goal, to make that mystery, but the studio like scrapped all of it (and then did the same thing in the sequel lol)
Everything about the parents was so dumb even gwens “ghost dad” moments in the second movie were awkward and out of place.
On the one hand there *is* intrigue about Peter's parents in the comics.
On the other, it was never *this* tied to the main plot, I'm pretty sure the only reason they added it here was to make it feel less like a rehash of Raimi. Not sure it worked. I think the setup in ASM1 is alright but the payoff in 2 is ass.
Martin sheen as uncle ben gets me everytime. He's so good
Jenna's questions about how Peter couldn't afford milk but could afford items to make a suit - that night, he stormed out of the house without his stuff and that's why he doesn't have enough change on him when he is at the store. Peter isn't broke (he's certainly not rich but) in this movie, he does have money. It was 2012 and he was a teenager, cash or nothing. No cards, no swiping your phone.
TASM 1 and 2 are my favourites from the whole lot of them. Chemistry is also the best in these movies. Absolutely love Peter and Gwen.
Waiting for the plot twist that every time Holden says his favourite Spider-Man film is Spider-Man 2, he's always whispering "The Amazing" in front of it.
i think in the end it was a complete reversal of the lizard serum which is why he had the change of heart... but in the beginning when he reverted back he was like a junkie trying to get a fix. It was still in his system and he was mentally wrestling with the effects. In the comics the human persona; Connors had a wife and son and typically they were his anchor for fighting to become the Lizard and trying to do the right thing despite the curse of random transformations.
I think the MCU “responsibility” quote comes from his MCU mentor, Tony stark. It’s not the “when you can do things and don’t and that’s when bad things happen.” It’s definitely “if you’re nothing without the suit, then you shouldn’t have it.” Tony realized the suit makes him super, but the heart makes the hero. That’s what inspires Peter to be a better person and a better hero. That always gives me chills.
no, Peter already knew what responsibility was before Civil War, that sentence tells you that something bad happened because of him
Hands down my favorite Stan Lee appearance, Rocking the Classical music oblivious to the chaos behind him LOL. All though his appearance in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was fricking hilarious.
I kinda like it more when Jen is alone with you she seems to express herself a lot more and makes her personality shine a lot more which is critical for a video like this not to mention I like her personality much more than the others
Edit: I wasn't trying to be rude or insult of his friends I just thought that Jen was a lot more restricted in this video than she is normally
Yeah, I agree. Honestly, I enjoy “My Girlfriend Watches” a lot more.
I kinda get it, but I also like an outside take on things where the others aren’t as emotionally invested. Plus they made solid points, and it’s hard to give joke time to go around. When two guys are in a room together, once one joke starts, it’s an avalanche and hard to get a word in edgewise.
@@joelhenry5489 ..rude
I always wonder if people think "Holden won't mind if I insult his friends." LMAO who thinks he'll look at this and consider it when you gotta jab at people he cares about in the process?
@@boohoo723 the price you pay for putting yourself out there. Fair?, no, but that’s the reality
Andrew's was the most comic accurate and darker version 🔥
Definitely not most comic accurate but I suppose darker
Not really comic accurate
@@Hfxnn he means in comparison to the other two
@@hellodigitalworld8224 Andrew is not comic accurate at all tobey takes that place by far only difference being the organic webs
The fact that Holden has Mean Girls memorized down to the condom quote got me weak please show Jen Mean Girls
33:09 I can't determine if this was downright hypocrisy, biased, or a mixture of both. Nonetheless, this was embarrassing and a little frustrating for me to hear this.
Counter-Argument: Spider-Man (2002)
33:33 I understand this, but it's still impractical since it would've been boring. There's nothing interesting about a character having no development.
It’s definitely bias. Holden cannot accurately judge these movies because he’s a Raimi fanboy and grew up with those movies.
In SM 2002, peter officially becomes spider-man AFTER dealing with his uncle's killer and receiving some closure.
Here he becomes spider-man with the purpose to get revenge. the suit is already made and he still looking for the guy.
I feel like its a fair statement to make when the details of his origin are different.
@@Elipson52008 But here he wasn't spider-man yet, at least not the one that comes up later in the movie. The whole point of the revenge arc was to showcase his raw anger at the time, and the bridge scene was then incorporated to show that he finally became the "spider-man". Nonetheless, there was a lot of cut content (and I mean a lot of cut content that it extends the movie by like another hour) that explained peter's transition, on how peter said to Connors that Uncle ben was a bridge builder at his funeral (which is foreshadowing to the bridge scene that comes later on).
In SM 2002, Peter outright let the man die, I think that's a huge step up from what TASM was going on. (They also cut the sub plot of the killer in TASM halfway to make the theatrical cut precisely 2 hours which was a stupid move by the one and only Avi Arad)
Im a big fan of the ultimate spiderman run that started in 2000. That was my first spiderman comic. I didnt read the older ditko/Lee stuff until late. So this movie clicked way harder with me because its very much an ultimate adaptation. I love the tone and how everyone feels like people and not archetypes.
I loved watching Mat listen for the “with great power comes great responsibility” line.
I remember hating the suit when I first saw the movie because it was so different from Tobey's suit. But now the more I see it and all the swinging sequences, the more I like it. Maybe it's just because they did a really good job on the swinging sequences, still - gotta give credit where credit's due. The VFX for Spider-Man were top notch.
I dont know. I guess I am in the minority when I say that This is my favorite version of spider-man. The chemistry and performance of this group of actors and actresses really made me feel so much more emotionally involved with this story than the Sam Raimi movies. I am a 50 year old former police officer and soldier and no matter how many times I watch these 2 movies, there are so many moments that legitimately bring me to tears, unlike the other 2 groups of films. I think these two movies are more about Peter and Gwen and the villains are more of a backdrop.
Would've loved THIS uncle Ben with the Raimi aunt May
Im with you dude. This is by far my favorite spiderman
Yeah I loved the performance and chemistry of Andrew and Emma .I did like the 2nd movie . I would have loved to see more of them . The performance of this cast was so much better than the Raimi trilogy
Yes! By far the best, they have so much more heart
Dude Matt killed me with his searches for how ever he says Qui Gon Jinn moment 😂
The crane moment for me was the moment i knew that TASM knew that it was questionable where Tobey’s SM was webbing to. In this movie, they always showed where he was webbing to.
Most people don't even realize it (because of just how big of a cultural impact the success of the first Spidey movies were), but that "iconic" Uncle Ben line that everyone knows, everyone is waiting for, everyone judges other movies by... It's famous *because* of the Raimi movie! It wasn't even part of the OG comic - peter just figured out that life lesson on his own, not because of some death-bed wisdom from UB! In fact, it was retconned into an Uncle Ben line decades after the fact, partly, again, because of how popular it was in the Raimi movie!
Something to keep in mind when judging this movie for "not doing it." :P
Andrew Garfields Spider-Man is hilarious 😂
That’s why I like him
Best.... He embodies what spiderman is but tom is cool to
I hate to say it, but I’m starting to enjoy my girlfriend watches more. Matt still, even after 2 years of this, still is unable to have an open mind about things amd Jen is the exact opposite. Regardless keep up the great content!!” Love you all you guys Holden. Matt,Jenna and Jen 👌🏻👌🏻
I think Matt takes the fun out of it most of the time.
I agree, I couldn't even finish the video because of his friend.
This movie was bad so Matt’s takes were fine for me
Yeah I agree!!! 😔☹️
@Parvis but he is actively looking for reasons to NOT be entertained. Which bugs me as an optimistic movie lover
Matt constantly waiting for the “with great power comes great responsibility” line kills me 🤣
I feel like they’re blinded to nostalgia, legit all the criticism they make can be pointed at Toby as well. Also Peter is supposed to be a nerd who is confident. Man has games.
What can be pointed out to Tobey?
How are they blinded by nostalgia if they watched the Raimi trilogy within the last year.
Yup. Holden especially is being hypocrite when criticizing the Garfield movies
@@loveschalice45 Not the rest of them but you could say that for Holden
Yeah with how many love interests hes had in the comics Peter definitely has game lmao
I hate the people who like stuff they first time watched and whenever someone tries to do a different take at the same characters they don't like it or they straight up hate it. Just because Raimi Trilogy came first people criticised this movie so much I mean you can not just hate a different story a different version because you have seen a different version before people gave many reasons for why they didn't like different things related to this movie but the real reason was they were stuck to the raimi universe. People gave nothing more than biased reactions to this movie.
I get where you're coming from and maybe that happened at first but you also have to acknowledge the fact that the raimi movies were very accurate and very well done for the most part, and lots of people don't like change. I still prefer the raimi trilogy over most of the other movies but I'll admit that this movie isn't as bad as i initially thought it was.
I hope Holden takes a lot of what we said here and includes it in their TASM2 reaction. The main difference between Andrew's Spidey to Tobey's Spidey is that Andrew's has that quippy and witty nature side of Spider-Man that Tobey's Spider-Man lacked, even Tom's Spidey is getting wittier by the day, and to Matt's point Andrew's Spider-Man throwing jokes seems "Deadpooly" is because that's what it is supposed to be like they are 2 heroes who are exactly alike in quips but still different in nature kinda like 2 sides of the same coin, even the comics acknowledges this and they have both characters having some playful banters on the same panel. Also, I hope Holden discusses the Gwen Stacy situation in the next movie and compares it to the Gwen Stacy situation in the 3rd installment of the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy.
I like Andrew and Tom in the suit more than tobey, I just can’t believe it’s actually tobey in the suit, it always feels like a double
I love how every time Matt gets hyped up when it seems like the movie will say some words of wisdom they end up not landing and he’s just so disappointed lol