My girlfriend watches Captain America for the FIRST time || MCU Phase 1
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- We've finally made it to Captain America: The First Avenger on Jen's journey through the MCU.
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I didn't even know potato was an audio setting LOL
Unless this is a joke
Is the my friend watches WandaVision still coming? We’re behind so many episodes now :(
Holden we all need to pray for Jen to like Winter Solider.
@@clippower03 I believe Holden said they're gonna finish the dceu then do the last 4 episodes of Wandavision in one shot. By then they could probably do the first half of Falcon winter soldier
You didn't tell her about the serum was the origin of the hulk?
*Jen getting annoyed at all the info Holden is withholding*
Holden: "I can do this all day"
We love captian and tony equally
witHoldening
@@justjester5682 goddamn it you beat me
Holden.... HOLD THE DOOR
@@Buphelous 😈
Captain America isn't about his power. It's about his honor, integrity, and his penchant for never giving up. The super soldier serum just exaggerated those qualities.
*~honor~*
He's a paragon. Even in winter soldier and civil war he remains a paragon
Like she said in the beginning, he's basically Superman; A perfect man like you would see in a magazine
right yes, love this comment. he is my number one favorite mcu character
“Everything special about you came out of a bottle.”
The sly looks to the camera kill me every time.
Because as we all know there are no noseless characters in Harry Potter
Holden is Jim Halpert
Jen: "Everything special about you came from a bottle."
Cap: "Come on Jen. Put on the suit. Lets go a few rounds."
woahooohooo
😂😂
Lol
If Jen hates Captain America's helmet I CAN'T WAIT for her to see his outfit in The Avengers 😂😂
Coulson leaves the chat
Yo she's gonna hate it 🤣🤣
That is America’s ass...
No wonder the director killed of the
Son of coul
I always thought that , why couldn’t they make the outfit look the same as in the first avenger , the avengers one made him look so weird
The fact that Cap didn't change is part of the theme of the movie... He gained this body and this power but he still stayed the same in his values
Which is fine. Which is why she said she still liked the character. But in terms of a movie, I can see why someone would say that is boring
@@haridaspalleeri6765 Thats why they made the ending a tragic one.
@Nyda facts. He didn't get corrupted by the power.
yea Cap is like Superman. they are born good, they don't have to have something happen to them to do good
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Its a good linear story arch... when the main character has to stay the same while the external world tries to change them...
Jen literally becoming Tony Stark. She was so close to just saying everything special about cap came from a bottle.
Lol. You know she is gonna love it when that line is delivered. First it was Anakin, now it’s Tony. Poor Holden. You know she is gonna be all about Vegeta down the line too.
ROFL!!! I thought the exact same thing!!! Now, we gotta wait and see if she reacts to that line in the next movie. Lol
@@Etticos. Ok personally I feel called out because Vegeta was and is still my fave. And so is every antihero/villian usually lol
@@nbucwa6621 oh those types of characters are my favorites too!
When does she almost say that
Jen: "Cap was boring, there's no character development."
Holden: "I can do this all day..."
Nice
She started smiling the second she saw Loki and later Thor. A woman knows a god by sight!
Lmao
*has matt flashbacks*
Its funny cause Cap actually has really good character development, shes mixing it up with character progression 😂
Steve stayed the same inside, despite being transformed on the outside. Tony stayed the same outside, while he changed on the inside.
I agree completely. But I was also thinking:
Steve was tempted to change for the worse from the outside (to be complacent in a world where to do so was wrong). And Tony was tempted to change for the good from the outside (to stop being complacent in a world where to do so was wrong).
Actually it may seem Steve always makes the "right" decisions simply because he is 'the good guy with no flaws' but people will be lulled into a false sense of security if they think that...
Perfect explanation. I wasn't a fan that he was trying to dog Tony for changing because the world said so and because he is easily swayed. No he changed because he saw that the path he was on was causing nothing but harm and he changed FOR the world. Not because the world changed him
@@anakinskywalker8610 Yeah. Anakin.
Haha, just kidding
Very Insightful--have my Like.
Excellent
Dude I dont care what anybody say, Capt is my favorite from MCU, if not the most favorite of all time!
oh yesssss he’s my first favorite!!!!
My favorite is Peggy Carter and *she's* the reason THIS is my favourite MCU movie!😘
Holden about Red Skull: "He´s not a fish." I just love that has to be clarified. :D
Kanye is trying to convince everyone that he's not a gay fish to this day.
Mind = blown! After all these years, now I find out he's not a fish?! Could they not just put a line in the movie explaining that? Colonel Phillips: "That Red Skull guy, you know he's not a fish. Right?"
Jen: Well if he's not a fish then why are we even watching this movie?!
Is he not?
@@bp51082 What you talkin 'bout, Willis?
The storytelling done by the MCU is incredible. Cap’s conversation with Dr. Erskine the night before his transformation has so much depth to it after everything that’s happened. That scene brings me to tears every time I watch it now.
Crazy how this 10 year old scene resonates with the current MCU as Sam Wilson tries to be a good man and not a perfect soldier
Cap and Dr. Erskine's values are timeless
Bucky is the perfect soldier while Sam is a good man. You can see why Sam was chosen
Erskine's deep concern with finding someone who wouldn't be corrupted by their power is a really good message. Steve's big heart in the pre serum portion of the movie really sold me on a character I never thought I'd care for going into it the first time.
yes all the movies make us so much more emotional now
"Is there somebody in Harry Potter missing their nose?"
"No"
*cough* *cough* we don't talk about him here..
Lmfao that killed me
Remember, he must not be named
Domingo Rubies if he would’ve said he mu
He must not be named
Holden, don’t forget you’ve had the advantage of seeing Cap in 7 films. This is the first time Jen has seen him. I didn’t like The First Avenger as much as the other Cap films, but he’s my fave MCU character now.
I think Holden's always liked him tho, since the beginning. But I feel you
I liked Steve from day 1, still my fav in the end, right there with Loki .
It's a cruel world to live in. And it's easier to be a Tony when you have billions, but far more difficult to be a honorable Steve when the universe feels like it's set on giving you hell. I'm more of a Loki person myself
The first avenger is where you should fall in love with cap. But I’m an OG cap fan so that first film did it complete justice as a fan but I can see if you aren’t a cap fan it might seem like an okay film. To me this was the best origin movie of all the characters including Tony but Iron Man 1 is my second fav
Raghu Sharma yeah i fell in love with him when I watched the first cap movie. I did not like him as much when I watched the early avengers movies before. Now he is also my fave and this movie is the best origin movie for me. Never liked iron man that much
Yep
"You wanna zipline onto a train full of Nazis?"
"Yeah!"
She's a keeper.
And dead
This could be the beginning of the end of the relationship, LOL.
🖖🍻
Yeah, but don't we all? I mean, come on.
sign me up
I love how excited she is for the Avengers at the end. Literally all of us 10 years ago.
Holden slowly realizing that everyone he knows is team Iron Man while he sits in his lonely corner of Team Cap.
Lmao
I am team Cap
Iron man is a better character to me but as far as ideals go, Cap was right in civil war, especially the comic version.
@@pnut3844able Cap was on fhe right side in my opinion.
@@tick1180 they were both wrong in civil war, you can see it from both sides , i was stuck in the middle but when tony found out cap kept that secret from him , i was team tony .
You can't say that Steve Rogers didn't change. It was just subtle changes. He became more confident. He realized that sometimes the right thing to do, doesn't always mean following orders. He went from wanting to die for his county, because he had nothing to lose. To having something to live for, but still being willing to sacrifice himself to save others. He's consistently a selfless and duty bound person. But his attitude and motivations change.
I mean... She can't tell the difference between a hat an a helmet...
@@jpbenavides4969 😂
He is a flat character he changes the world and people around him this is perfectly shown in civil war where his ideals from WW2 still show in the modern world where things aren't so black and white anymore and he is willing to be known as a war criminal for his friends and beliefs
Totally with Holden on his views on Cap. There is just something great about a guy just being a good guy because it’s the right thing to do. No hidden agenda.
Team Cap all the way!
I love the idea that this could turn into a journey to find Holden a friend that likes Captain America
Give her time. I left theaters after Civil War with the sudden realization that Captain America was my favorite Avenger. He is now my favorite superhero across the board.
Same dude. The ending of civil war was so ground breaking, and after Cap gave that speech (from the letter) and showed up to the prison to free the other heroes, he immediately became my favorite.
@@insertnamehere2746 That film was where I saw the value of his virtues. He never backs down from a fight. He always does what is right even if no one thinks it's what's best. I also agreed with him not wanting to be controlled by some political entity with an agenda.
I respect Cap, but I’m still a diehard Ironman fan. I left Civil War a bit peeved at all of the characters betraying Tony, but respecting why Steve did what he did. (Still think Tony is ultimately in the right tho. He would have helped them if they had just listened.)
...This isn’t spoilery right?
@@DarkFoxKirin Tony had good intentions but ultimately the accords did more bad than good. Many enhance people did sign them and registered. The list got out to anti inhuman groups who then got violent and even killed people who had registered. Requiring those with power to wear tracking bracelets. Probably end up trading them like they were weapons. If Im a super hero I am not letting someone strap a leash on me like a pet. A super gets captured by a border near me and I cant cross to save him until a bunch of politicians go through a bunch of redtape and deem it necessary. The super could be dead by the time I got there.
@@rickbotic6063 But Tony was advocating to have the accords edited and changed to benefit the enhanced more. It wasn't going to be the final say. Signing it was just to get the public to calm down and afterward Tony and others worked to make the accords more in their favor. I'd rather not be hunted down to be put down or locked up like a rabid dog.
Holden: You want to zipline onto a train full of Nazis?
Jen: Yeeaaah.
That’s my favorite pass time
Me: Sadly - even today in 2021... it is actually still a distinct possibility. :(
Hell yeah dude
Who wouldn’t?
@@ccricers Not me fuck that lol.
"Not a perfect soldier, but a good man."
Aaaaaahhhh, gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME...
It's my favorite scene in the whole movie. The score hits a little differently as soon as Erskine says, "That is why you were chosen".
Amazing.
@@emmanuelr.9066 It's my mantra every time I wake up. I don't have to be perfect the entire day, I just have to do good to others...
There are 2 types of people in the world. Ironman fans, and Captain America fans. And they end up dating each other, because opposites attract
"I really like the bondage guys!" Well, I guess we know what Jen's into.
Jen is such a mood 😂
Steve: "Women don't wanna dance with a guy they can step on"
Jen: "awww"
Peggy: *angrily shoots at Steve*
Jen: "I like her!"
Jen: "Oh that looks fun, can we do that!"
Holden: "You wanna zipline onto a train full of Nazis?"
Jen: "Yeah!"
If ur girlfriend doesnt wanna zipline onto a train to fight nazis man thats unfortunate
Who wouldn't want to zipline onto a train full of Nazis?
@@nimrodd000 exactly
@@nimrodd000 Not me lol
He wasn’t trying to “join the army”, he was trying to do something significant to make the world a better place.
The army was just the only way to do that at the time.
Nope, that is exactly what he was trying to do. Without any understanding that this would end up causing a number of unnecessary deaths among of his comrades because of his physical condition. He has absolutely no self-preservation instinct and this is the worst possible quality for a soldier. And he would have successfully enlisted by forging the documents, unless the doctor noticed him and took with him for super-soldier program.
If he just wanted to be useful he could have applied for a job on a factory- making bullets, trucks, weapons, food, but instead he did everything to get to the front to punish "bullies", bringing death by his own hand. That is nowhere near being a hero, the man has no responsibility, and seems to be not even aware of such thing.
@@user-fp1gl2lq3b you’re focused only on the mechanical reality of actions and consequences and not on the emotional and psychological reasons behind those actions.
I didn’t say that what he was trying to achieve was possible or that it was a good idea for him.
I said he was trying to achieve something noble.
The mechanics of how he was going about that are seperate from that.
Also I was rebutting the idea that all he wanted to do was get into the army for its own sake. Which he wasn’t.
I find Cap so inspiring because he is almost an ideal man because of his strength, agility, endurance, physical presence but what truly makes him great is how he uses his abilities for good and never compromises on his values even when he is put in difficult situations.
Captain America 1, says "Strength doesn't matter. Heart, is what matters."
Cap: *is a good guy because he never compromises*
Also Cap: *refuses to take responsibility for his actions, breaks international law, causes a civil war between his friends, and breaks his friend's heart all to help one of his old buddies who is a fugitive*
@@hanburgundy4317 he breaks international law to protect Bucky who was framed for something he didn't do and also he never intentionally started a civil war with his friends, he just wanted to make it to the jet in time to reach Siberia which his friends never let him do, they just simply refused to hear his side of the story and started the fight causing him to fight back. He even admitted his mistake to Tony in the end by stating that he should have told him about his parent's death but didn't to avoid conflict which was clearly wrong and therefore took responsibility for his actions.
@@hanburgundy4317 Yikes imagine just ignoring all the context because you hate Cap. The mental gymnastics are insane here.
@@aaronyayger
;)
Jen makes a good point here...Cap doesn't really show his character arc until much farther in the MCU...he definitely has one, but it takes a lot longer for it to fully develop
The part when Peggy reaches for caps chest was genuine reaction from the actress Haley Atwell seeing Chris Evans shirtless for the first time and they kept it in the movie 😆
Tony: I don't trust a man without a dark side.
Cap: let's just say you haven't seen it yet...
🥺
right!!!!👀
Here comes,mission report December 16,1991 😂
"He's missing his nose"
"Remind me to show you harry potter"
"Is there somebody in harry potter thats missing a nose?"
"No"
Lol
fucking lmao, the look at the camera after too
Tyrion Lannister has entered the chat
😂😂😂
Missed opportunity to say “you know who”.
Has she never watched any single popular movies?
I think I enjoy the My Girlfriend Watches more than My Friend Watches. I love them both, but Holden withholding spoilers brings me joy, and Matt doesn’t ask enough questions. 😂
Props to my man Holden for being so dedicated. He really got into it and brought a mic from 1942 for the intro
I discovered your channel last night, and ended up staying awake much longer than I should have! Y'all are so entertaining to watch! I love seeing Jen's reactions and hearing her takes as she discovers these movies anew, and, Holden, your knowing looks to the camera are hilarious! Love the content!
I think Winter Soldier is when Cap started becoming more peoples favorite
For me it was from the first Avenger. More that Thor and Iron man, cap is the definition of hero. Not saying that Thor and Tony ain't heroes but Thor is a God and Tony is a billionaire, playboy. But Steve is just a kid from Brooklyn.
No. Hardly anyone thinks captain America is their favorite. His character is boring as fuck.
@@randybobandy9828 Yet you came into this video. Maybe you are Boring as hell.
@@amarnathcr7335 - I fell hard during the First Avenger and never looked back.
Exactly. They started him off as this icon. Winter soldier humanized him and made him a lot cooler as a person.
Jen: Every character development of Captain America came out of a bottle.
😂
good one
She definitely an iron man fan 😂
@@SelfImprovement1111 Absolutely.
"Every thing special about you, came out of a bottle, Rogers."
Holden getting his heart broken every time he makes someone watch this one.
"I would say a 6.5"
Holden: *dies inside*
Always loved this movie. Never understood the hatred. The 40s flair and music are great. Steve, Peggy, Philipps, Erskine... all likeable and good characters.
It's especially great character writing that Steve is so likeable while being such a white meat babyface, always trying to do whats right. Its easy to come off as a douche. And that is in no way happening.
It's ok if Cap's first movie didn't win Her over. Captain America (in my opinion) doesn't become a badass until the second movie The Winter Soldier.
It doesn't have to be. Winter Soldier I found to be literally one of the best MCU movies and Cap the second most boring hero throughout everything (after Spiderman of course) including the next phases to date. The Winter Soldier is literally carried by Bucky.
@@PinnacleNL spider man is *BORING?*
@@PinnacleNLSHUT UP
Jenn: OMG, they bring everyone together!
Me: She's starting to believe
Did anybody notice that both Cap and Tony both had a nice scientist with a acent helping them become a hero
And both met the same fate:(
O.O
@@prodigion1 yep
*an accent
Meanwhile Thor
Holden: all I want is to find another Team Cap fan.
Jen: I’m on Team Iron Man
Holden: Pain
The thing is that I don't think most people were team cap after the first Captain America movie. Captain America only gets really good in the subsequent films.
@@Vortex1988 agreeed 💯
@@Vortex1988 i liked cap since captain America first avengers
@@repoedokami941 OK, so maybe 5% of people were huge Captain America fans after the first movie. I'm just saying, I think most people were pretty lukewarm on the first Captain America and Thor movies. They were either low budget or looked very low budget. Both were very rough and I think had most people thinking, "I hope they can pull off this whole avengers thing. Hopefully the studio doesn't completely scrap it."
@@Vortex1988 true
OH MY GOD! if she likes Phase 1 this much she is gonna go insane watching phase 2 & 3!
*I dont know about that but... there's those purists who believes that Phase 1 is the best MCU Phase and they claim that movies after them have decreased in quality.*
I think it's the opposite
@@johnelmartagbago3764 I can understand that but the other phases have created individual masterpieces who are much better when compared to the movies in phase 1. The reason people like phase 1 more because it was instrumental in the beginning of the mcu and also because of the nostalgia as characters like captain America and hulk are more well known during the comics than characters like Dr strange or falcon.
@@johnelmartagbago3764 Wow! I actually did not know that. Not that I don't like Phase 1 but I think Phase 2 and especially 3 gave us some of the best comic book based movies in history.
@@soumyadipmondalbca-1465 I agree. The later phases are indeed greater, more experimental, and more fun. But you cant change the fact that there are those Phase 1 Fanatics out there.
I was rolling when I heard her reasons for liking Ironman more. She makes very good points but I'm not sure she understood why Captain America can be a great character as well. The contrasts between Ironman and Captain America makes both better characters.
“You’re a laboratory experiment Rogers. Everything special about you came out of a bottle.”
The world changes Tony Stark.
Steve Rogers changes the world.
People relate to Tony Stark's flaws.
People aspire to Steve Rogers' goodness.
Stark changes the world.
Steve is changed by the world.
More Tony on both
@@genghisgalahad8465
Disagree.
Tony's arc was that he realized he was making the world a more dangerous place, so he eventually sacrifices himself to save it.
Steve returns to a damaged, soulless world and makes it a better, more honorable place. One of his most famous quotes (which was said by Sharon Carter in Civil War) is, "When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - 'No, you move.'" The world doesn't change Cap. He's the anchor everyone else clings to.
@@charmlessman1 the modern world changes and changed Cap. SHIELD being infiltrated by HYDRA changed Cap’s worldview. Tony changed Cap in Civil War. The Winter Soldier and Wanda changed Cap by him siding with them over being a Boy Scout. Then again, he’s an independent thinker since his beginning. He’s not just a “yes, sir, whatever you say, sir” when he went to rescue men in First Avenger against orders. And he changed in The Avengers when Tony and Bruce prompted him about Fury’s secret dealing to procure weapons made from the power of the Tesseract.
Stark changes the world for good and bad. He was responsible also for Ultron (although Scarlet Witch had a ton to do with that!) He settled down and had his family but worked out the solution to quantum time travel and therefore changes the post-snap world. SNAP*
@@charmlessman1 actually cap totally changed after civil war. Being on the run for 2 years will change anyone.
Not a perfect soldier, but a good man.
Consistency is a very undervalued trait...People tend to be impressed with the changes shown in a short time, e.g body transformations. But I think its far more impressive consistently fit for like 20 years. Just because you're flawed and changed a bit and did the right thing now people tend to be more impressed because you surprised them, compared to if you're always good and have always done the right thing.
People tend to take that consistency for granted!
I love Iron Man but everytime Cap comes on the screen you just feel relieved & he gives you the feel that everything will be okay.
Agree
I see Holden has excellent taste in Marvel heroes....
Also hopefully his Jen warms up to Cap eventually like my own Jen did. I have a feeling she will since it is the best trilogy in the MCU.
Her genuine excitement for the Avengers trailer gave me chills.
Jen: She looks like a Snack
Holden: *Thinking of Voldemort's nose*
What nose?
@@stevenfriedman2902 15:46
@@georgefilmanimation ? what
She says "she looks like a snack" at 16:57
And why would he be thinking about voldemort's nose at that moment?
@@GentlyUsedFrog They just finished a conversation about Characters without noses
Jen: “is there somebody in Harry Potter who’s missing their nose”
Holden: “no” *looks at camera* 🤣🤣🤣
If she liked Iron Man for keeping her on the edge of her seat, I have a feeling she'll come around on Cap with The Winter Soldier.
Also, RIP Bucky. He shall be remembered fondly.
aaaand then come back to iron man side during civil war
@@euphoriapotion2075 Hahaha.
What is it with people who don't like people who are too "square"? That's a flaw in society that really rubs me the wrong way
Id honestly love a video essay or something from Holden explaining Cap's character and why he loves him so much. Even though it was in short bursts, some of the thoughts on him in this vid were so well formulated and insightful.
When Jen doesn’t like Captain America
Holden in the inside: PAIN lol
Holden I am with you on Captain American. He is the glue that holds everyone together through to the End game.
Captain American
End game
Wow.
Not really he split up the avengers for two years you know
@@idk1147 I'd say the UN did that
@@tomn6800
The UN simply asked that the Avengers take responsibility for their actions; Steve didn't want any part of that - he wanted to do things his way. We saw that from the moment in The First Avenger when Steve disobeyed a direct command from Tommy Lee Jones: Cap does what Cap wants, what he thinks is best for him. He willingly broke up The Avengers just to help his old buddy; his old buddy that was, and plausibly still is, a programmable weapon directly responsible for dozens (hundreds?) of deaths. IDK how people can be on Team Cap for the MCU Civil War; I really can't.
@@hanburgundy4317 Well, that shows that you have never watched Firefly [tv series] and Serenity [follow up movie].
The confidence a studio has to have to put a trailer for their next movie at the end of the current movie.
I feel pretty confident that after the reaction to Nick Fury proclaiming The Avenger Initiative in Iron Man... Disney realized the release of The Avengers was going to be a big money-maker.
But, sure... it is very confident of them!
I'm pretty sure that is because Kevin Feige is a big fan of Robert Zemeckis
and Just like Back to the Future Part 2 he had the trailer added as a post credit.
@@robhax At that point Disney did not own Marvel Studios yet.
Back to the days of "James Bond will return in..."
@@ninjagustavson yeah thats why they bought them 🤗
I really like the conversation after the movie. It's nice to see two people obviously having the most respect for each other personally engaging in this discussion from totally different perspectives.
By the way, I'm almost 100% agreeing with everything Jen said and felt about the Captain and the movie (including the rating) :D
But I also agree with Holden in that we can definitely expect him to grow on you during his future adventures and the interactions with other characters/superheros. And Winter Soldier is a GREAT movie indeed!
Damn this series is going to change to "my ex-girlfriend watches" RIP relationship!
This movie is top 5 in the MCU for me. First MCU movie I ever saw in theaters when I was 7 years old. Absolutely love the message and themes of the movie. Thank you captain for inspiring me to be the best man I can possibly be.
I die laughing whenever Holden looks at the camera, knowing what he knows lmaoooo
Steve’s arc is about not changing in a world full of change, Stark’s arc is about making change to a world that he thinks needs it
Wrong
@@ChadKirk right
The way Holden defends and talks about Cap is the way I defend and talk about Snyder’s Superman.
me too
Captain America: Practically wins WWII, saves countless lives. Sacrifices own life to save others.
Jen: I didn't see any challenge. I wanted him to accomplish something.
so, in short, not to undermine anyone, but it looks to me (not that I agree or disagree) that Jen needs her characters to have clear flaws to overcome. Not what defines them, but things that can be fixed, improved, changed for the better. And Tony has them in spades. Steve was supposed to be the opposite by default, it's what made him Captain America...
I'd advise familiarizing yourself with flat character development arc idea (like Steve, Goku, but also Indiana Jones or James Bond) where a flat character, so by definition a fully developed character that does not change nor needs to change, is thrown into a various set of circumstances and events to react to and impact other characters, rather than develop their own. Hence since this movie every Captain America movie had more developing characters, to play off of Steve and use his unwavering character in full.
I'm not saying Steve has zero flaws to explore and fix, he has his fair share of issues to deal with, but they do not impact his own character in any way. And you can see that in Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, Civil War and Endgame a lot...
TL;DR - in my opinion Jen likes round characters more than flat ones because she cares more about personal character development than anything else. Hence Steve is not as valuable of a character in her eyes (so far) as for example Tony or Thor, despite the quality of their personal story and overall plot and elements of their movies...
Yeah flat characters can be fun to see them put into situations that would have most other people compromise, change or be knocked down. And you watch them struggle with that situation and it ultimately leads them to have even more conviction in their values and ideals. They come out stronger, but not changed.
@@eXponentia Yeah, agree.
I love that Peggy also moves towards the grenade as well. Shows in a subtle way while she was also Chosen. And I think it sheds more light on the conversation that she had with Steve in the car Donna about their struggles.
What If, Peggy was the one who...
Jen doesn’t like Cap
“Reality is often disappointing”
“But this does put a smile on my face”
When we dont see Jen in Holden's future videos...
Holden: _Reality can be whatever I want._
I am going thru a very hard time right now, I live alone and moved away from my family to pursue my college aspirations, and everything is online and I don't have a car so watching your videos really makes me feel like im there watching the movie with you guys and it gives me a sense of comfort, so thank you to Matt, Jenna, you and your girlfriend Jenna and everyone that has ever been in your videos. you help me get thru my daily life.
You can tell how much Holden loves this movie by the way he edits the reaction and the scenes he includes. (That is, if he is still doing his own editing)
It's incredible how well set up the dynamic between the 2 of them is for when they get to Civil War
IT'S ON!!!
“Your square with an edge we’ve been over this!” 😆😂
Squares have edges
In some ways, I guess Captain America (like Spider-Man) is a wish fulfillment character. The underdog with no advantages finally achieving a position of power and using that to lift other people up. It's a very classic story, but a good one.
We don’t get enough films about underdogs
@@acdragonrider We above all don't get enough films about heroes who are simply "good" and not overgrown man children with a ton of daddy issues.
@@swanpride Yeah. Is it that bad that some people out there are just simply perfect or aspire to be? At least making films about those kinds of people c an make us look up to them.
Technically Bruce Wayne was also never that flawed like iron man. He just had to learn to conquer his fear
But also not (tragic ending)
It was good to see Jen get excited about the Avengers trailer. It bodes well. Captain American is my very favorite hero, hands down. So I'm with you there, Holden. He has been and always will be the heart and soul of the Avengers. It's okay if he doesn't light Jen up, especially here at the beginning of her MCU journey. Remember, this is the first time she's seen him while you, Holden, have what sounds like a long history knowing Cap. I'm willing to bet that as things progress she'll take more of a liking to him. Thanks for a fun time rewatching Captain America!
My favorite line in this movie is "I'm not kissing you."
"You have no idea how to talk to a women"
*Jen immediately looks towards Holden*
Not a huge deal but I think she goes by Jen, jenna I'd Matt's wife I think
Lol
Holden reliving all the shit he lived through with Matt when Jenna started in her Iron man rant holden went "oh boy"
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that on the next video Jen is going to be really, really excited to watch The Avengers. 😂 We love ya, Jen!
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I still think this film is among the best Marvel has put out. They nailed the character of Captain America. Perfect casting.
I love how you 2 break down with the discussion at the end of the movie very engaging TBH. I want to write down my opinion for you 2 that will help with understanding Captain America for better or worse.
1. Captain America was created in 1941, 20 years before most of the the other Avengers like Iron man & Thor. They are worlds apart socially and what also comics stood for from the 40's golden age(perfect hero's) & 60's silver age(troubled characters).
2. Captain America was written in the comics to help save America and the world from the crisis & urgency of WW2 more significant than just a person wanting to join the military.
3.the first Captain America movie does the original concept of the perfect hero and leader like the he was meant to be in the 40's during WW2 irl. I enjoy the movie for staying true to that.
4. A big favorite point keeps being made for years now with fans or character breakdowns is the character arc or character growth. The truth is imo with certain characters I love, like Captain America is it's ok to already be the best person or already set in the right path. People like that do exist and have existed before. Not everyone has waited till there late 30's or need a dramatic crisis to become a good person or have a happier life. If that were the case for every person ever existed the human race will still be in the Iron Age TBH
5. Now to modernize Captain America and the connection with him joining the Avengers in the MCU & comics during the silver age. The 20+ year gap from 45 and 63 was a drastic change in America than any other 20 year gap in USA history TBH today's modern views primarily started in the 60's. Captain America was "A Man Out of Time" a title of his returning comic book btw. Those 20 years have the equivalency of 70 years like the movie actually is too 1945 to 2011.
I wrote alot more than I thought I would sorry but I actually have more to say without getting into movie spoilers and more American history. Nonetheless with these ideas I wanted to share the actual concept of Captain America golden age(perfect hero) & how I relate to him and what he represents 70 years ago & how that actually made me learn of him and see how he is relatable in today's world and my hero views.
Agree.
Holden is so fed up w/ Jen & Matt not liking Captain America 😂😂 I’m thinking Jenn likes the bad boys but doesn’t want to say it
Ikr she’s not admitting it
Soft spot is what they call "settling" now? She likes the bad boys and Holden aint one. And he knows it.
Or at least the 'boys who've been bad' aka the 'bondage guys'
Lol Jen stays with a Rogers, but she thinks about Stark
@@Etticos. I can already see it this way:
Jen Friendzones Cap, fucks Tony and marries Thor
Jen in every movie: "Is he a fish?" lol
If Jen likes Tony Stark, she is really going to love him in Avengers
Yep
"Doth Mother know you weareth her drapes?"
Can't wait to see her reaction to Avengers, Winter Soldier, Thor Ragnorak, Infinity War, and Endgame
Great reaction, Jen breaking Holden’s heart with the truth about Cap and Iron Man lol. Definitely agree 100 percent with Jen, cannot wait for the Avengers reaction
I know it’s never mentioned, but can we talk about how Jenn’s T-Shirt game is always on point?
^^^truth
Oh no. I noticed as well. Girl has taste!
"Steve doesn't have any character development."
It's not his fault that he started out as a good person. If we give credit to flawed people who turn good, why don't we do the same for "good" people who stay good? Characters don't always need development, if their character is already perfect for their story. You'll see in the 2nd and 3rd movies more clearly, that the story is formed around his perfect character; rather than forcing him to change, the story tests his morals instead.
He does develope
But in this movie he has a flat arc because the movie is suppose to show that he's a good guy that stands out in this war.
I'm a iron man fan myself, first super hero movie I watched and he's so interesting to watch him in action and develop
Great point!
Jen found ways to bring the fish into this movie as well
NGL i love it
Holden hit it right on the nose. Cap doesn’t change who he is, he doesn’t let everything and everyone around him change his beliefs, morals, and outlooks.
Captain America’s character is that he Doesn’t change. That he is the immovable force , the guiding light, and always does what’s right.
Plant yourself at the river of truth and tell them No, you move.
STILL NO ONE TALJS ABOUT HOW PEGGY ALSO RUNS TOWARDS THE GRENADE
Makes me sad🥲
I can hear Matt totally laughing watching this 🤣😂🤣
We need a Jen origin story! She's a military girl? News to me.
I, second that...
I third that
I, fourth that...
I think she mentioned it once in a mandalorian episode but that’s the only time
the after movie conversation makes me laugh so much....kinda reminds me of a superman or batman character type argument. everyone generally thinks superman is boring because hes to strong but the underlying theme is him staying true and good despite being so strong that no one could stop him
I just recently watched all the marvel movies for the first time, not knowing anything about any of them. And for me I’m the total opposite. I actually didn’t really like Tony Stark at the beginning but I absolutely loved Captain America. Now after watching all the marvel movies I like Tony and I respect his character, especially how much growth he as at the end. But I’m team Cap. 😊💙✨
*Video Spoiler*
*Jen's MCU Reviews/Rankings:*
- *Iron Man* = Good start to MCU. First 30 mins were 'ugh', good humour, love Stark. *(Not rated)*
- *Hulk* = CGI sucked. Overall good, predictable, not top quality, wouldn't see again. Loved Stark's cameo. *6.5/10*
- *Iron Man 2* = Not as good as 1st. Really good, Stark great, CGI amazing. Cheadle good, prefers Howard. Black Widow is meh. *7.5/10*
- *Thor* = Really enjoyed it a lot, more than first thought. In love with Natalie Portman. Heimdall favourite character. Liked better than Iron Man? *(Not rated)*
- *Captain America: TFA* = Cap didn't really do it for her. Liked Peggy, liked Cap's character in general. Red Skull entertaining. Felt flat. No character growth for Cap. *6.5/10*
*Order:*
Thor, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Captain America, Hulk
thanks for this!!!
@@nerdynerd9346 no problem
Nice
Jen's not interested in the body or the biceps. She likes the character growth from within.
So what i'm hearing is... Jen is team Dad bod?...
Idk she also said she really liked the Thor movies
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@@lateam9786 I mean, Chris Hemsworth is always an exception to any rule
@@BigScreenMovies Lmfao this is the truth
exactly i thought she was going to love Thor because of his big muscle and good looking guy but not at all. +1 for this girl haha
I normally could care less about reaction videos but for some reason you two Crack me up, and I honestly enjoy hearing your opinions! Looking forward to avengers next.
You know, I never noticed before that the Hydra weapons do the same exact whine before firing that Tony's Repulsors do.