In the Mind of Clyde Shelton: Yes, he's definitely a villain, an anti-villain at best
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this entry we’ll be taking a closer look at the mind of Clyde Shelton from Law Abiding Citizen.
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Even though he somehow gets outsmarted at the end… he still wins. Yeah he didn’t get his giant finale or whatever but the two people who attacked him died horrifically (well deserved) and he took out the judge, Darbys attorney, and many others. He had already lost everything and was only interested in hurting the legal system by causing mayhem and showing the flaws of our legal departments in the process. It was a suicide mission from the start and whether or not he got as far as he did or further didn’t matter to him. He died with his family the day he was attacked.
That's the best summary of this movie I've ever read. Never thought of a lot of it that way.
To be honest, Nick was the real villain, not Clyde. I see Clyde as a martyr for trying to expose a truly flawed and broken "justice" system.
You missed the magnum opus: Clyde's whole mission was to show how flawed the legal system is. Nick however, kept to his morals and beliefs throughout most of the movie. At the end though, Nick killed Clyde. Nick could have used all of the evidence he accumulated to put Clyde away for life. He could have gotten the man convicted easily, but he chose to hang the legal system and deliver his own justice by killing the problem, a similar justice that Clyde exercised in the beginning of the movie. By Nick killing Clyde, Nick showed that Clyde was right. When a lawyer, someone who's job it is to act according to the law and to understand it, chooses instead to act against the law in the pursuit of justice, what does that say about the law?
I remember this guy he is one of the most underrated villains in cinema history.
He is not a villain
This film actually had me rooting for Clyde…
I wish he had won in the end but Hollywood would allow that out of fear it might lead others to do the same.
But I was rooting for him to win also with a ending similar to that of the "Usual Suspects."
At the end of the day the Justice System made Clyde do what he did.
He wasn't the villain. Jamie Foxx was the actual villain in this movie.
edit: I should have read the comments first. Everybody agrees with me.
yeah i think that’s the point
@@Freakazoid12345 and Jamie didn't want to be the villain that lost. So they wrote in some bullshit about the bomb being under the bed and killing the hero who was mad the system didn't give him justice.
@@user-df2fl1pj6q basically Death Wish, Terminal List, Batman, The Punisher, all stories of vigilantes getting justice when the justice system failed them but they are all portrayed as the hero, even if it can sometimes be technically called the, "anti-hero".
One of my favorite villains that should’ve won but Jamie Foxx made them rewrite the script so his character won. A better ending was if Clyde died by his own bomb but his plan was completed to fruition.
Clyde did not deserve to Win. He was a Monster who had TOTAL disregard for Innocent Human Life. He Killed Innocent Live's who did NOTHING wrong and were Merely following the Law as its what is the Right to do. Nick an the other's Tryed ALL they could to get both ames and darby put away for Good, But even the Law has rules we NEED To Follow. Otherwise, We are also the badguys. Clyde losing his family does not give him the right to destroy other families.
@@seanmager1168 he didn’t deserve to but he definitely should have
@@seanmager1168 Except many of those who were "following the law" weren't. The corruption was rampant in this movie, the judge admitted that since she's a judge she could do what she wanted, Nick didn't pursue the two criminals because he wanted to keep his conviction rate high. He didn't even try to convict both men, instead choosing a deal which saw the death of the guy who broke into a house and stole some stuff, sparing the guy who raped and murdered Clyde's wife and child. Sure, there are some who are doing their jobs, but the point is that they're allowing and following this corrupt structure. Going along with it because it's beneficial for them to do so.
While Clyde wasn't the good guy, but I was definitely rooting for the man.
@@ArgonRUclips 1st, Thank you for Not being cruel and insulting to me. I also will Not Insult you. But NO OFFENSE to you AT ALL dude, But you are VERY wrong. when the Judge said she can "Do whatever she wants" She was Implying Using her Cell Phone. Not the Case. and also, about Nick, He never said he was trying to achieve a "PERFECT" conviction. Nick Like NEVER said, "Screw Justice. Im trying to be a BIG star" You can see on Nick's Face he's Sorry he made the Deal But if you REALLY do think about it, he HAD NO CHOICE. He wanted to Put them Both away. He DID. But the odd's of them Losing the case and Both bad guys Walking free with Zero Prison time was HIGH. they had a 60% chance of losing and Only 1 40% Of winning. The system is NOT corrupt. Corrupt means Causing harm when meant to do Good. Or using something for your own personal gain instead of whats Good for everyone Else. CLyde is the 1 who's REALLY corrupt. as he's BLIND and ARROGANT. Clyde CANT See the Truth. and the Truth is, the system is NOT 100% Flawless and Perfect. Sometimes the bad guys get the BIG time in prison. Sometimes they get a Little time. sometimes they get NO time. thats JUST The way the World Work's. Sometimes the bad guys Go Free. I Mean, what was Clyde trying to achieve??? does he REALLY Think if he Starts Killing Innocent people the system will be "Magically" Fixed? or the City will Like................. I dont know, "Make Clyde its Leader" So no offense Dude, But PLEASE Dont root for clyde. As he was Foolish Monster. Like, he thinks the system is Hurting people. and Yet, He never takes into consideration ALL the Innocent Live's he's ruined. The pain he's Caused these Innocent people's friends and families. Clyde Murdered Innocent people. Also, they Had NOTHING to do with the Case. Had NO Power to change it at all. Clyde is KILLING People who did NOTHING Wrong. They were JUST doing their Job's.
@@ArgonRUclips Few more things I wanna say. at 1 Point in the Movie Clyde says ALL Need to be held accountable for their action's. He's talking Like the people he's Killing did something Bad and they need to be punished. He's WRONG and he's CRAZY. and also, its kinda ironic Clyde says that. As he ALSO Needs to be held Accountable for HIS Action's. and He REALLY did Do something wrong. He Murdered Innocent people who Hurt No1 at all and Also Could not have changed or altered the case even if they wanted To as its Not in their Power to do so. they dont have the Authority. Also, Clyde Cant bring back his Family. When Nick says to clyde in the movie, NOTHING clyde does is gonna change Anything, He's Right. Clyde Blowing Up Innocent Live's is not gonna change the system. All its doing is Ruining Innocent Live's and showing how Evil clyde is. Clyde thinks the system is Doing Harm and Yet, HES the 1 who's Murdering Innocent people who had NOTHING AT ALL to do with what happened to his Family. What happened to Clyde's Family was Terrible. But hey, sometimes bad stuff happens to good people. It does Not give them a Excuse to Become A Madman.
He's not a villain. He's an anti hero. The justice system does not have limitations, its operating exactly the way its supposed to and THAT is the problem. To remain indifferent or neutral is to be in tacit consent of it.
I think he's the hero, Foxx is the anti-hero. Dude brought justice to town.
Jamie Foxx’s character was an egotistical coward, who cared more about his win ratio then justice
If he would’ve gone after the scumbags, the way he went after Clyde. None of that would’ve happened.
I challenge anyone to watch the wife and daughter, get raped and murdered and not do the same thing if you have the capability
If you wouldn’t avenge them, the way, Clyde did then you shouldn’t of had them in the first place
It’s also quite amusing, that people think that Jamie Foxx outsmarted him
He wanted to die as soon as his work was done
The only terrible thing he did, was kill the attorneys in the jail
It’s almost like the very end of Dexter, where he kills the innocent cop and realizes that he needs to be stopped
100% agree, if that happened to Nick’s wife and daughter he would 100% want to do the same thing (at least to Darby and Ames) that Clyde did.
The villain is Jamie Foxx, Butler is the Hero 100% He was justice.
He was trying to save Jamie Foxx's character.
Justice for Sarah? Someone who had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter’s killers? They were both villains for different reasons
Justice is reason without emotion.
@@winser21when someone is uniformed in enemy colors, they cease to be an individual. Sarah even admits she's sacrificed the things that make her a person to pursue her career in "justice." Sarah is just another part of the enemy force, needing to be killed to eliminate the greater threat she has sided with. She wasn't innocent.
He’s not a villain… his wife and kid got killed and shows the bullshit of the legal system…
Shelton was a true embodiment of what Harvey Dent said in The Dark Knight "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
He was an unknown/silent hero who served probably in the CIA or NSA. Darby was Shelton's Joker, he gave him that push, because madness like the Joker said is like gravity, all it takes is a little push.
Very underrated villain. I admit that I was not keen on Clyde at the time, but have now come around to understanding him, and his motivations. Can you delve into the mind of Patrick Bateman next please?
Man's a hero ngl
He's not a Hero. He's a Mad man and a Terrorist and a Deranged Lunatic. He does not Approve of the Way the Law is written and he's unhappy with it. So what? that does not give him the right to try and Destroy the City.
Clyde was murdered in cold blood by the supposed hero. Jamie Foxx's character is the villain
Clyde isn’t the villain.
can't hate the guy, Jamie Foxx's character Nick was too full of himself. wished they didn't change the story and wish clyde won at the end.
at least clyde change Nick new ways of not making deals with criminals.
this movie is sadly overlooked
Clyde did not work with the Department of Defence, he was with the CIA which I believe is a separate entity. Other than that I agree with your assessment.
the villain most people wanted to win lol
Clyde was not the villian.
Clyde isn't a villain. He's the tragic hero who loses to a corrupt system because he underestimates the willingness of the DA to murder every prisoner in the Solitary Confinement wing of the prison.
He WAS a Villian. As he Murdered innocent people. "GOOD" People, Hero's Dont Kill People who were JUST SIMPLY doing their Job's and Contributing to society. The People Clyde Killed, He thinks they were against him, they were not. they were JUST SIMPLY Following the Law as its written. ALso, He says he wants them to change and Fix the system, Guess what? THEY CANT. they dont have the authority nor the power to change the system.
He was not a villain
This one of my favorite movies. Great analysis.
Jamie foxx was the villain
Clyde wasn't the villain. Nick, the judiciary, politicians, and law enforcement played the villains. It's the laziness, complacency, failures, and incompetence of the justice system top to bottom that fill the role.
Beware the fury of patient men...🤷♂️
Never lost empathy for Clyde
was hoping Nick, for being very self centered and only thinking about what is best for himself, was gonna face death
Can you do Ratigan from the great mouse detective??
Id say hes one of the rare villians of the story that shouldve actually Won in the end. Similar to Hannibal Lector .
Nick, "I Don't make deals with murderers anymore."
Clyde, "Well done. Bravo. Maybe I wasn't such a bad teacher after all."
Nick, "Like I said Clyde, it's a decision you'll have to live with for the rest of your life...which I figure by now is about twenty five more seconds."
The one thing that always gets me about this film is that Nick Rice made the deal without informing Clyde beforehand. In most cases like this, the prosecutor always tries to get the "okay" from the family before they make any kind of deal or decision to take the offender(s) to trial. I also don't get why they went to Darby for testimony. In real life, they would have talked to Rupert Ames, gotten him to testify against Darby (unless his lawyer is beyond incompetent), which would have spared his life and sent Darby to death row. I see it as almost a wrongful execution in the first place since Darby's testimony is false.
I don’t think Clyde is really a villain. The justice system is the real villain here when you look under the surface. I always root for Clyde when seeing this movie because he lost his family and they denied him justice and moved on like it was just another day in the office and he flipped their world upside down.
boom sucker punch comment, well said
It was nick's ego that broke clyde's belief in the justice system. Poor guy
Boo Hoo. that Does NOT give Clyde the right to Do what he did. As He Was Killing Pretty much ANY1 Nick Knew and Was Friends with. Clyde ALSO Has a ego. as In, Clyde Has Marked pretty much ANY1 who works with the LAw and justice system as "evil" And he's SO CONSUMED By his Grief and Rage that he's Just MINDLESSLY attacking Innocent people, People who Had NOTHING to do with the Deal, With his Wife and Daughter being Killed and Also, Had NO Power Over the case and the system and could Not Change it AT ALL. Dont say clyde is a "Poor Guy" He's Not. He's a Psychopathic Monster who Murdered Honest Good people who WERE JUST doing whats Right, As Following the Law IS RIGHT. as Its what separates us and Makes us Better then the Thug's we Try an Lock Up. The system is Not perfect. True. But that does Not mean some1 Should Have the right to Destroy it and Terrorize a Whole city.
@@seanmager1168NOBODY IS TRYING TO HEAR THAT WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR FAMILY WAS MURDERED YOU WOULD DO THE SAME THING JUST LIKE CLYDE DID. NO MATTER HOW YOU PUT IT YOU WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY. CLYDE WAS THE GOOD GUY IN THIS MOVIE. I DONT CARE YOU WOULD DO THE SAME THING OR SIMILAR IF THE SYSTEM DID YOU THIS WAY YOU WOULDNT WANT THEM TO GET AWAY WITH THAT EITHER!
@@7ANGEL7VISION7 NO I WOULDNT. SCREW OFF! CLYDE IS NOT A HERO! AND ITS DISGUSTING TO SAY AND BELIEVE HE IS! HE's JUST AS MUCH A MONSTER AS DARBY WAS! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! ALL THOSE PEOPLE CLYDE MURDERED, THEY ARENT "GETTING AWAY" WITH ANYTHING! THEY FOLLOWED THE LAW! ITS BEYIND THEIR CONTROL. LIKE THAT 1 GUY SAID, "WE ARE ITS IMPERFECT SERVANTS" THEY FOLLOW IT AS THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. CLYDE LOST HIS FAMILY AND THEY DIDNT GET JUSTICE, BOO-HOO-HOO. THAT IN NO WAY JUSTIFY'S MURDERING INNOCENT LAW-SERVANTS/WORKER'S. AS THEY ALSO HAVE FAMILY'S! GET. A. FRIKKING. REALITY CHECK. THIS IS NOT THE 1ST TIME THE LAW FAILED US, AND ITS NOT GONNA THE LAST! AS RE-WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE! WHAT CLYDE DID, NOTHING CHANGED. THE LAW DID NOT CHANGE, AND HIS FAMILY DID NOT COME BACK TO LIFE! SCREW OFF. I DONT CARE HOW HORRIBLE CLYDE'S DAUGHTER AND WIFE WERE KILLED. THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE TERRORISM.
@@7ANGEL7VISION7 screw you.
From a psychological point of view, sheldons daughter kept him human and her absence allowed him to give in to the darker side of him.
I dont feel he was a villain he was a man who became a shadow of himself when the speck of light in the darkness of who was, was extinguished.
I feel like the word you are completely missing here is justice.
He was an anti-hero when he went after the two criminals who killed his family. He became an anti-villain when he went after the lawyer.
That’s a concise way to put it.
@@inthemindofavillain no it isnt, the people saying hes a tragic hero are the ones in the right here, especially that one comment that gave a really good take as to why hes a tragic hero and why people, ie u, try to interpret him as a villain despite this fact, google the meaning of a tragic hero. u want to cry about innocents? cry about clyde's wife and child.
Clyde noticed a flaw in the Justice Department, all he was really doing was re-educating the system so actual justice will be served for the future
Clyde is my hero
5:15 I think that sums up why Clyde was so angry.
I thought I was watching a movie about Frank Castle, A.K.A. The Punisher. Hard to tell the difference. Don't you think?
While I am a supporter of punishing criminals when the law fails to do so, Clyde should've just focus his vengeance on the two criminals.
Yeah I agree. He pushed it when he went after the attorney.
@@GabrielleSeunagal DAMN RIGHT. Clyde Was CRAZY. As he KILLED innocent people. He MURDERED INNOCENT People who were NOT a part of his wife and Daughter Being killed At all. And also, A LOTTA the people Clyde Murdered, they had NOTHING to do with the Deal and also, they Had no power nor control over the Case.
Clyde wasn't the villain.
Wrong. Anti-hero is what you were trying to say.
"Yes, he's definitely a villain, an anti-villain at best"...
There's no such thing as a stupid opinion, but there is deffo a such thing as a wrong one. And your opinion, that Clyde was an outright villain, is factually incorrect.
This was a very good story. Please do one on Dr Lecter
One of my favorite villains of all time 👍
Yes he’s mine too.
hes not a villain
@@nathanpierre1868 While I understand from the perspective of the channel's explanation as to why he'd be declared one, I personally don't think he is. Clyde Shelton was simply a person who wanted to expose the corruption and hypocrisy of the criminal justice system along with as least to me that not everyone deserves " justice" like the character Clarence Darby after what Shelton did to him.
@@vectorman7140 Hes not a villain. He's an anti hero or a tragic hero. Clyde went to war on the system and that includes those who aid and abet it. Wether they're "just following orders" or not is irrelevant. To comply is to be for the system.
And he realized very quickly, after giving the system a chance, that is indeed not broken, but diseased and corrupt, meaning its operating just the way its intended to operate. Thats why he took matters into his own hands. The reason people dont like him or cast him as a villain is because he represents/embodies the person/thing which puts as spoke in the reality they're comfortable believing in.
A logician(i am a student of logic) once told me that no ruling value system allows for the unmasking of its underlying principles.
That means the good or the bad(especially the bad) of any given social system is not allowed to be examined and if it is, it is not allowed to be interfered with since too many people have a stake in it because of the perceived stability it brings to their lives.
@@nathanpierre1868 I concur with your analysis, Shelton is definitely anti-hero or a least a tragic one. Especially in light of the fact that he wasn't motivated by profit, fame, or anything else but simply wanted to reform the system despite the fact he was using violent means to accomplish his objective.
He was smart super smart he killed the da on purpose so nick could become it and he knew he could tech nick and he would change the system but he knew he had to die too so in the end it all went accordingly and he won
Clyde Shelton should be a Literal Me character!
If I'm being honest he wasn't the villain nor the hero.. I'd say 70% hero & 30% villain.. the justice system is the villain
People should see the alternative ending which how it should’ve gone! Clyde wasn’t a villain
Clyde wasn’t a villain
What makes Nick’s lack of sympathy even worse is that at the time of denying a grieving father Justice he and his wife were expecting their daughter……. Nick was a terrible person who deserved to lose!
One of the best villains of the last 25 years. Definitely top 10 for me.
Outstanding
Was Clyde's anger justified? Without a doubt. Do you have permission to kill innocents because they killed his family? Definitely not. The prosecutor handled Clyde's problem very poorly, but the damage had already been done, Clyde absolutely had to be stopped; he was going to keep killing innocents. Greetings to all.
the only problem I have with this "innocent" people rhetoric after rewatching the movie last night for the first time in years is that literally every single person in the legal system, from Nick to the detectives, the judge (who trumped up his charges and trampled on his civil liberties because Nick and his superior had a hunch, which only after that Clyde makes the phone call that kills her from the cell phone), even the fuckin mayor of Philadelphia (Viola Davis) is trying to find some loop hole in the system to stop Clyde and get him out of her town... every single person in the legal side of this film was trying to exploit the system against Clyde even when they had no real proof. Only reason they had confessions is because Clyde was making a point and didn't care if they detained him, served him better if he was locked away.
At the end of the day, down to even the Mayor herself who "had nothing to do with the murder of his family and the proceedings that happened after", every one of them were guilty still of trying to bend the law and the system to their benefit even against Clyde, which they knew was killing people but had nothing on unless he gave it to them. Essentially, Clyde made everyone look like idiots, even Viola says "I refuse to believe one man is more intelligent than Homeland Security, Philly PD, the DA's and everyone else. I don't care what loop hole you have to find, what amendments you have to bend, what civil liberties you have to take away, find something and get this man out of my city"
Like... in everything he did, they only proved him right on why he was doing it. All I'm saying
@@RebootDaArcanist Everything you say is true, so everyone pays, but by the correct procedure, because meanwhile a child comes across in the wrong place and at the wrong time...
I think you already know.
@Fernando Ruiz Cabral correct procedure? Out of curiosity, what would that have been? Clyde was deadset on being the villain and had completely succumbed to his methodical insanity. I doubt collateral damage was a factor in his book. So yeah there was no reason to think the sanctity of human life was a factor to him.
But when you say correct procedure... in a corrupt system that I already had you agree with was going against his literal civil rights, every step of the way, and bending the exact law that was supposed to be fair to all against him on suspicion and gut feelings.... what procedure was going to work there? As Clyde said: "lessons paved on blood weren't soon forgot" which leads credence to everything he was doing and how it wouldn't actually be forgotten soon. It literally sticks with Nick after Clyde's death and changes him fundamentally.... nit saying Clyde was right just saying he was exactly effective. If you have a better correct procedure that would have had the same lasting effect I would love to hear it. I'd like to reiterate before you state it, though, that they trampled all over Clyde's civil rights with no evidence on him at every turn of this movie thus proving over and over again how broken the system was
@@RebootDaArcanist whatever you say man. Greetings.
Most rational people will side with Clyde, some intelligent dialogue was sprinkled in-between some very weak personality tropes (it's as if 2 different writing teams wrote it).
I wonder how much regard of the human lifes of the ppl that are part of a rotten system would you have.... guilty of failing to deliver true justice to the murderers and rapist of your clossest family...
Too bad Clyde never went after Nick's family to actually teach him a lesson in the end.
He learned nothing.
He is like The Punisher. An anti-hero who see's what is wrong with the "justice" system and knows nothing will be done after it failed him and his family in a spectacular way.
Clyde should have won.
Plz plz put Indian movies like aaranya kaandam, andhadhun
not a villain