What’s the point in paying a fare for a notorious crooked organization like the sfmta? Let alone lack of cleanliness, service and safety to name a few.
The point in paying is maybe you have moral compass, that it’s the right thing to do. So your attitude is “well other people are breaking the law, then so will I?”
They get all the free stuff.....regualr tax paying ppl might as well just quit job, waive white flag, give up since cost of living and necessities is so high, and get free stuff too
Blame TV news for telling everyone that others are evading fares, so additional people chose to also not pay. And Muni's fare inspectors plan is wasted money. There's no way a fare inspector is gonna catch enough fare evaders to cover their $72K starting salary. Because for a $2.50 Muni fare, that means 2,400 evaders per month (80 per day or 10 people per hr). On the other hand, if using fines ($50-$124 fare evading penalty in SF) to cover that $72K salary, that means only 120 evaders needed per month (4 per day). In other words, these fare inspectors have an incentive to catch people that can pay the fine. So all the fare evading homeless, drug addicts and vagrants will continue to roam free without consequence.
No. They don’t pay because when you use the clipper card through your phone. You only need to tap it once every two or so hours because of the transfer option. Therefore most people getting on and not tapping are not taping because they already paid. If you want to stop toll evader in this sense. Require people to tap on and off every time.
@@iseeflowers if so I’ve been misinformed and have been doing it wrong. When I started using muni I’d get on each bus and tap as with any other bus. But it wouldn’t take it after the first tap. And the bus driver told me you don’t tap more than once for payment. It won’t accept it. Once you pay you have 2-1/2 hours of transfer and the only way to check it is going into your wallet to that clipper card and look at the history. That’s how you prove proof of payment if confronted. Otherwise. You tap once, pay. And walk into other buses without doing anything while your transfer is valid. This is why bus drivers don’t pay attention to your actions in payment anymore.
Taxes should pay for public transportation, we shouldn't be paying money to get fares from the poorest people in society who are doing the most to help alleviate traffic.
fare inspectors dont ask to check fare when it's latinx, homeless, and black people. i saw this a few times at bus 49, they only asked white and some asians
@@TohaBgood2 keep lying, i took 14R the other day they let all the latinx, blacks, asians, junkies off the bus before they start checking and only checked mostly white and some asians who dressed nice
At least 66% of unhoused think it's a lifestyle, feel entitled to steal, to bus rides, etc. MUNI has one of the best FREE disability & senior pass systems in the country, these passes are subsidized and their use gets income for MUNI, yet these people cannot be bothered. I have to add wealthy kids with skateboards & foul mouths skip fares & go on shop lifting sprees in larger numbers than are counted. There's got to be a better way to triage those in genuine need that want to work to get back on their feet. This is madness.
Great so they're going to spend extra to pay for fare inspectors who won't actually go after people who are evading fares....perhaps if public transit was safer, cleaner and actually ran on time, people would use it.
Who wants to ride muni if there is a choice? $3.00 for adult fare and can only use the fare ticket for TWO hour period. That is like you pay when go to grocery shopping, you better hurry and finish and get back on the bus before your ticket expires or you have to pay another $3. Not only that you can expect to be packed like sardines on some buses. They should make it 4 hours for the transfer ticket before it expires.
As a Californian living in New York, I can say investing in fare gates is an endless money pit. Your million dollar faregates are going to be weakest at a single point (the emergency exits). Make a reliable service that people feel comfortable paying for, and people will come and pay. Every dollar that goes towards combatting fare evasion can be used to run more frequent trains, more frequent buses, creating BRT, expanding tram lines, etc. Also shouldn't companies subsidize commutes as is common in Japan?
I remember riding muni bus once filled with homeless, the ticket cop hopped in checked everyones tickets but bypass the homeless people. They only gave tickets those who can pay but the homeless gets to ride for free. They didnt even kick them off.
The other day on muni i saw a fare inspector go up to a black guy on the bus and ask for his ticket, the guy literally yelled "get outa my face" and they did....then they went up to check an Asian guy and hauled him off the bus when he couldn't show a ticket. It was rather funny.
Muni has a spending problem. Most people are paying their fares. Work on reducing costs. Perhaps use more trolley buses on long lines such as the 9 and 9R. It would reduce fuel costs. Just resurrect some of your older trolley buses, no need to buy new.
Make the buses more frequent, every bus I take is chock full of people and there’s no chance id get a seat. I have the monthly pass but still won’t tap it unless I get a seat.
Why do grown adults take the bus, or BART. Dont they have a damn car??? Those public transportation vehicles are gross and nasty and nothing but homeless bums with lice and AIDS get on them in San Francisco. The Bay Area is gross. 🤮
How hard is it to pay your ride on Muni? For me, it's a way to get my own act together and for those that don't, they are contributing to make the deficit grow which can lead to cuts on both routes and service hours.
My issue with SFMTA is that they frequently bump up the fare in a city that is expensive to live in. And before you go and tell me to move, I’m a native, born and raised in SF. This wasn’t an issue growing up. This city has allowed issues like homelessness and mental illness to proliferate and eventually these folks end up on the buses. Don’t believe me? Do yourself a favor and ride the 9 San Bruno, probably the most disgusting, and sketchy line in the city. Plenty of fare evasion officers ride it but how are you gonna get a homeless person or an erratically behaving person to cough up $2.50? Let me help you out, they don’t the fare evasion officers allow them to ride only bothering other riders.
No strict enforcement and no consequences, leads to rampant bad behavior. My suggestion: 1. Ist time caught, warning 2. 2nd time caught, $100 ticket 3. 3rd time caught, $1000 ticket plus community service. Use the money to hire more officers!
Incorrect. There's no 1st time warning. Fare evading penalty is $50, and up to $124. So usually Muni fare inspectors don't bother to harass the usual suspects, like homeless, drunks, vagrants, etc. So these miscreants get no incentive to stop their behavior. Muni inspectors tend to only harass people that can pay the fine, to generate revenue for Muni. In other words, nothing improves.
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People know there are zero consequences for breaking the law. What's the point in paying if other riders aren't?
What’s the point in paying a fare for a notorious crooked organization like the sfmta? Let alone lack of cleanliness, service and safety to name a few.
That's exactly it .
A conscience?!
The point in paying is maybe you have moral compass, that it’s the right thing to do. So your attitude is “well other people are breaking the law, then so will I?”
The perpetrators are J B supporters
Fare inspectors don’t ask the homeless or mentally ill for their fares, they go straight to the tax paying citizens.
Drug addicts ride for free!!!😵💫
They get all the free stuff.....regualr tax paying ppl might as well just quit job, waive white flag, give up since cost of living and necessities is so high, and get free stuff too
Right on Brother ..... I asked them the exact same thing one day ~ They said ... ya we know those people... who are U. people kidding..
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wouldnt that be consider discrimination?
Both BART & MUNI have totally ignored fare evaders since 2020! What do you expect??? Both BART & MUNI are horribly mismanaged!!!
Blame TV news for telling everyone that others are evading fares, so additional people chose to also not pay. And Muni's fare inspectors plan is wasted money. There's no way a fare inspector is gonna catch enough fare evaders to cover their $72K starting salary. Because for a $2.50 Muni fare, that means 2,400 evaders per month (80 per day or 10 people per hr). On the other hand, if using fines ($50-$124 fare evading penalty in SF) to cover that $72K salary, that means only 120 evaders needed per month (4 per day). In other words, these fare inspectors have an incentive to catch people that can pay the fine. So all the fare evading homeless, drug addicts and vagrants will continue to roam free without consequence.
We had a fare inspector one time and he was bragging how he was making 45/hr and harassing people
I think the increase in fare evasion started when they let people board from the rear doors.
Exactly! That was a poorly thought out way to get the passengers on board if you want them to pay.
But there are people walking through the front door and still don’t pay. Drivers don’t want to get hurt by asking. This is SF.
No. They don’t pay because when you use the clipper card through your phone. You only need to tap it once every two or so hours because of the transfer option. Therefore most people getting on and not tapping are not taping because they already paid.
If you want to stop toll evader in this sense. Require people to tap on and off every time.
@@jonleestaples don’t you still have to tap even if you have a clipper transfer on your phone when you get on the bus?
@@iseeflowers if so I’ve been misinformed and have been doing it wrong. When I started using muni I’d get on each bus and tap as with any other bus. But it wouldn’t take it after the first tap. And the bus driver told me you don’t tap more than once for payment. It won’t accept it. Once you pay you have 2-1/2 hours of transfer and the only way to check it is going into your wallet to that clipper card and look at the history. That’s how you prove proof of payment if confronted. Otherwise. You tap once, pay. And walk into other buses without doing anything while your transfer is valid. This is why bus drivers don’t pay attention to your actions in payment anymore.
The fare inspectors cost tremendously more than the fare loss!!
Taxes should pay for public transportation, we shouldn't be paying money to get fares from the poorest people in society who are doing the most to help alleviate traffic.
fare inspectors dont ask to check fare when it's latinx, homeless, and black people. i saw this a few times at bus 49, they only asked white and some asians
Ride the 9, EVERYONE gets the business. This isn’t a racial thing as much as you’d like it to be.
Lol, complete nonsense. Everyone gets their fare checked.
@@TohaBgood2 keep lying, i took 14R the other day they let all the latinx, blacks, asians, junkies off the bus before they start checking and only checked mostly white and some asians who dressed nice
At least 66% of unhoused think it's a lifestyle, feel entitled to steal, to bus rides, etc. MUNI has one of the best FREE disability & senior pass systems in the country, these passes are subsidized and their use gets income for MUNI, yet these people cannot be bothered. I have to add wealthy kids with skateboards & foul mouths skip fares & go on shop lifting sprees in larger numbers than are counted. There's got to be a better way to triage those in genuine need that want to work to get back on their feet. This is madness.
Great so they're going to spend extra to pay for fare inspectors who won't actually go after people who are evading fares....perhaps if public transit was safer, cleaner and actually ran on time, people would use it.
Who wants to ride muni if there is a choice? $3.00 for adult fare and can only use the fare ticket for TWO hour period. That is like you pay when go to grocery shopping, you better hurry and finish and get back on the bus before your ticket expires or you have to pay another $3. Not only that you can expect to be packed like sardines on some buses. They should make it 4 hours for the transfer ticket before it expires.
As a Californian living in New York, I can say investing in fare gates is an endless money pit. Your million dollar faregates are going to be weakest at a single point (the emergency exits). Make a reliable service that people feel comfortable paying for, and people will come and pay. Every dollar that goes towards combatting fare evasion can be used to run more frequent trains, more frequent buses, creating BRT, expanding tram lines, etc. Also shouldn't companies subsidize commutes as is common in Japan?
MUNI harasses their customers.
Remember, they are not law enforcement and you can refuse to show ID
I remember riding muni bus once filled with homeless, the ticket cop hopped in checked everyones tickets but bypass the homeless people. They only gave tickets those who can pay but the homeless gets to ride for free. They didnt even kick them off.
The other day on muni i saw a fare inspector go up to a black guy on the bus and ask for his ticket, the guy literally yelled "get outa my face" and they did....then they went up to check an Asian guy and hauled him off the bus when he couldn't show a ticket. It was rather funny.
...exactly.. unlike in Samtrans.
Lol, what are you even talking about? f something like this happens they just stop the bus and call the cops until the person is removed.
If the riders don't pay, it means services are not needed. Cut services.
Ridership should be free and subsidized by the state. The board of directors must work for free.
How about you work for free stop with the stupid shit people got bills to pay
Muni has a spending problem. Most people are paying their fares. Work on reducing costs. Perhaps use more trolley buses on long lines such as the 9 and 9R. It would reduce fuel costs. Just resurrect some of your older trolley buses, no need to buy new.
Make the buses more frequent, every bus I take is chock full of people and there’s no chance id get a seat. I have the monthly pass but still won’t tap it unless I get a seat.
Why do grown adults take the bus, or BART. Dont they have a damn car??? Those public transportation vehicles are gross and nasty and nothing but homeless bums with lice and AIDS get on them in San Francisco. The Bay Area is gross. 🤮
no gates at 16 & Mish... but U got em at 24.. what R U nuts..
Just like . Theft in groceries and other shopping mall.. nothing happened.. no arrests or no jail. Nothing.. 😢😢😢
Catch the real criminals. This is bull schiitt!
no more money for them. find a solution bit your politicians will just make it legal to evade
dress up like a homeless person if you wan to avoid fares. Fare inspectors wont' bother.
How hard is it to pay your ride on Muni? For me, it's a way to get my own act together and for those that don't, they are contributing to make the deficit grow which can lead to cuts on both routes and service hours.
SF is an expensive city to live in already. If some people are not paying it, why other people would pay?
My issue with SFMTA is that they frequently bump up the fare in a city that is expensive to live in. And before you go and tell me to move, I’m a native, born and raised in SF. This wasn’t an issue growing up. This city has allowed issues like homelessness and mental illness to proliferate and eventually these folks end up on the buses. Don’t believe me? Do yourself a favor and ride the 9 San Bruno, probably the most disgusting, and sketchy line in the city. Plenty of fare evasion officers ride it but how are you gonna get a homeless person or an erratically behaving person to cough up $2.50? Let me help you out, they don’t the fare evasion officers allow them to ride only bothering other riders.
It is $3 for adult Muni fare.
@@iseeflowers No, $2.50 for Adults 19-64 single ride.
@@el_puma_real that is when you buy online or use clipper card. $3 is when you board and pay on the spot.
No strict enforcement and no consequences, leads to rampant bad behavior.
My suggestion:
1. Ist time caught, warning
2. 2nd time caught, $100 ticket
3. 3rd time caught, $1000 ticket plus community service.
Use the money to hire more officers!
Incorrect. There's no 1st time warning. Fare evading penalty is $50, and up to $124. So usually Muni fare inspectors don't bother to harass the usual suspects, like homeless, drunks, vagrants, etc. So these miscreants get no incentive to stop their behavior. Muni inspectors tend to only harass people that can pay the fine, to generate revenue for Muni. In other words, nothing improves.
😂 In SF, under $950 is free?
It's already $110 ticket for first time offenders.
@@aznfriedrice415 Then let's raise it to $500.
"Jefferey Tumlin"? Did his parents name him that?
This seems to be as much of a problem as bus drivers attitudes. Maybe there is a correlation.
people feel good about fare evading.... lol it's not gunna stop
Frisco is Out of Control !
Tammany politics and foolishness are wreaking havoc on a once-historical and progressive city, irrespective of any positive or negative outcomes!
Oh Well.
Use the Back door ...it’s free...
No, people walk through the front door all the times without paying either. And drivers don’t even ask.
@@iseeflowers well, don’t even get me started about the (2) Groups of People who NEVER paid anyway...
The war continues on the poor that fundamentally built this city. Even as the temporary unhoused struggle day after day to find work.
How did the poor fundamentally build the city if they are poor? What did they contribute? You sound silly😂😂
@@219farallones They have done the hard labor jobs that others don't want and now those that are temporarily unhoused are looking for their next job.
What are the jobs?
they're avoiding fares, not evading 😂
Japan does not have this problem.
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ride the muni in the evening, everyone skips. muni subsidises the poor
Not exactly. After 8:30pm, Muni transfer rides are free, unlimited until 5am.
Get a Part Job ... homeless and become "somebody". Or, move to the wilderness as Mr. & Mrs.
N. O. B. O. D. Y
Clown Show
Only 8% of MUNI revenue comes from fares. This is just to keep the assholes who complained about fare evasion happy.
Freeloading: it's the liberal way
Just like how liberal cities and states subsidize red states and towns year after year?