Fact Fiend Focus - What is the SADDEST Cinematic Universe?
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2024
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I rate Sophie Turner putting her hands up and saying "They cast the wrong actress and that actress is me". Can't help but respect it
Wait, that happened?
@@Chazz_K She was chosen for a role due to her public following being larger and she has been open that it was the wrong choice and the other actress was a better choice.
Quite a respectable thing to be frank.
Don't care for her acting but she does seem like a cool person.
She isn't even that bad, I thought she did a pretty good job
People really forget that the MCU was considered a daft idea right up until the Avengers and it's runaway success.
Can we get an honorable mention for the Hellraiser universe. Where at least once they took an already written script, for an entirely different movie, and just crobared in a few cameos and the one they churned out in a couple of months before they lost the rights.
It's not a universe though, it's a series, there's no other properties crossing over.
One of the reasons the hobbit sucked was because it was supposed to be directed by Guillermo Del Toro, but he pulled out because the studios kept delaying things. Peter Jackson stepped in at the last minute to take over, but hadn't done the same level of prep as the rings movies. He said afterwards that he was having to make a lot of it on the fly, whereas the original movies were meticulously planned out. Plus the whole stretching the content across three movies instead of one or maybe two.
This is the happiest universe, because Fact Fiend exists in it
If that’s true 💀
@L Light Yagami is Kira!
@@armayafox1328 I think you might be talking to the second L
@@grinreaperoftrolls7528 Well, shit.
Hey L did you know?
The dark universe attempt was pretty sad. Especially when you realize that universal was the first to do the cinematic universe with their monster movies that was before a cinematic universe was even a big thing. They were basically trying to make a remake of their old cinematic universe to follow the Marvel trend even though universal did it first before it was "Cool". And I died on the first movie! Lol!
@Harold Torruella what do you think the Tom Cruise The Mummy movie was all about?
@@themeshow1011 Do you mean Tom Cruise ft. Sexy Mummy the Movie that was supposed to jumpstart the Dark Universe?
@@themeshow1011 It was all about Tom Cruise.
Failing with such a huge bankroll behind it is impressively bad, but you gotta give Universal some credit for shutting down that idea before wasting any more money on it.
@Harold Torruella the old school Universal monster movies from like the 60's, all took place in the same universe.
I started watching you guys not to long after my mom passed away a couple of years ago you helped me so much during a dark time I'm glad you guys are still going much love from a random Mexican
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About Ash Williams though, there was a comic mini-series that acted as a sequel to Freddy vs Jason with Ash as the protagonist... And then another one that brought in some old survivors from the respective franchises and Freddy setting the White House on fire if i remember correctly... Shit's wild
Freddy's glove is in Evil Dead 2 in the outside shack and the necronomicon is in Jason goes to Hell along with Freddy's arm, also, in the first Nightmare on Elm St, Nancy is watching Evil Dead. All those little references led to those comics and Freddy Vs Jason.
The Johnnie Depp Invisible Man movie did come out, but no-one saw it, because it's invisible.
Genius
Behind the mask is a movie like the one pitched. It’s set in a world where Freddy, Jason and Michael are cannon but focuses on a person wanting to be the next new slasher
Leslie something isn't it?.
It's still weird seeing Brad but I'm glad to see him being involved, he has a good presence.
He looks like he smoked a joint prior haha
@guadalupearteaga7839 I went to high school and college with Brad, was one of my best friends growing up, dude has never touched a joint in his life 😂
I would love to see a Lovecraft cinematic universe where every movie is the adaptation of one of his books, since most books are connected, many of them mention Abdul Alhazred and the Necronomicon, The Shadow over Innsmouth and The Mountains of Madness mention Cthulhu etc.
Though, I think it would be extremely hard to adapt Lovecraft’s work to movies, and unless they were directed extraordinarily they would probably flop.
Congrats I love your suggestion and totally agree. Disregard the fake prize winning whatever comment
There's been tons of adaptions of his work, most are kinda bad, Re-animator is awesome though as is Necronomicon and the recent Nic Cage film Colour out of Space.
Probably good fodder for a Netflix series
This would be great, especially if they just give small, shadowy glimpses of the creatures.
Guiellermo Del Toro, Peter Jackson, George Miller teamup.
Dracula Untold made 215 million against a 70 million dollar budget. Far from a flop. The problem was that it didn't make that money in the US. Shame. Movie is a blast.
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Yeah, it was ok, as was I Frankenstein and the earlier Van Helsing, both attempts at starting a universe.
It was actually more like 140 million to make when you add marketing cost (which is usually same amount as production cost so another 70 million) which means it made 75 million meaning it made back its production cost but not the full cost meaning it was a flop
Voicing my enjoyment of the ‘hanging out on the couch’ video-style, hoping we see more of you guys discussing/arguing in this format
When it comes to the hobbit movies, it's incredibly important to remember that Peter Jackson didn't want to do them. He wanted Guillermo Del Toro to do them, and frankly I think had he got his way there, the result would have been far better.
Imagine an Indiana Jones and The Mummy crossover with Harrison Ford, Brendan Fraser, and He Kuy Quan returning as Short Round (though I guess it would be Tall/Big Round now).
You would need to age up Brendan Fraser by at least two decades in order to make that work.
Their characters would have absolutely HATED each other, and it would have been glorious to watch.
And gut feeling is that they would have had really good chemistry. 👍
@@matthewgrgaddie Nah, throw in time travel and it'll all work out, and national treasure while you're at it.
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@@RAFMnBgaming Hell, let's throw in Tomb Raider and Relic Hunter too.
"I'm hopeful for the world but I've met people who live in it" needs to be on a T shirt.
I still think that the dark universe could have been good if it weren't for Tom cruise
Now to be fair. Tom Cruise didn't make the strange writing choices or directing choices that made that movie so all over the place and so confusing and tone deaf. Tom Cruise is just an actor. It could have been good if with him in it if it had good writing and directing and very little studio interference.
@@MillieGriffin he basically had it re written so he had more screen time. It wasn't just him being an actor in the movie
Fine. I'll take the L or whatever. I still think it would have had potential even with Tom Cruise in it but that's mostly because I've already thought of a way better version of the script for fun.
I think when they mentioned Swamp Thing (which is a DC Comics character) for universals Dark Universe they may be confusing it with creature from the black lagoon (which is the actual Universal horror character they probably meant )
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They're getting confused with DCs Dark Universe, they were going to attempt it with Constantine getting a team together consisting of Etrigan, Zatanna, Swamp Thing and others I can't remember, didn't happen but they did make a pretty kick ass cartoon film of it.
A King Arthur universe would've been so cool.
I love this setup!!!! Just 2 friends sitting on a couch, talking, and having a good time. Please keep doing this from time to time.
I'll always love the Rankin-Bass stop-motion christmas special cinematic universe.
Best quote, "I'm hopeful for the world, just not the people in it." Love it
Saddest cinematic universe would be what Sony is doing with Venom. Doing all these movies loosely based on Spiderman... without including Spiderman.
altho, imo the venom movies are still good (however they really do need spiderman to be a bit more interesting)
Especially as thanks to the multiverse events recently Venom will be in the MCU, doubt it'll be Tom Hardy though as he went back to his (Spiderman free) universe.
The hobbit series had 3 good bits, the troll charging a wall and knocking itself out, the line "These bats were bred for one purpose, war" because that's just so fucking funny to me and finally the random free range pugs in laketown chilling on the pier.
First video I've seen with this format, and I do like it, the show started as friends having a chat and now it's shown
I would LOVE "what if" series of more franchises, I absolutely love the idea of having really out there scenarios that aren't canon, but are fun or interesting to think about made by official means and such, Marvel's What if series was so good, so I have hopes for other IPs to do that
I would LOVE if they did that in animated series for STAR WARS. Cuz they did a "what if" comic book series for it back then.
Idea... someone needs to make a poster that says "Fact Fiend Cinematic Universe (lasted longer than the Dark Universe)" and it should have everyone in fact fiend but HORRIBLY photoshopped in.
I'd just go full throttle and have the Cenobites shatter the horror multiverse, and have all the different versions of every slasher villain meet and either go at each other, or team up into an army. Imagine an army of Jason Voorhees, going up against all the versions of Michael Myers and Leatherface, with Freddy and Chucky teamed up with Candyman and Ash to try to keep reality from disintegrating into nothing. You could turn that into the equivalent of the story of World War 2 or Vietnam, only in the horror multiverse, and make a trilogy out of it.
Check out the Hellbound movie pitch video here on RUclips.
Freddy, Jason, and Chucky team up to escape hell with a new character while Michael tries to destroy the new characters real body. They use all of those movies as canon set-up for what happens in the movie. Hell is full of horror characters.
Hellraiser (the Lament Configuration) is the framing device/bid twist for the whole story.
But there's only one of each of these characters unless you include their remake counterparts, do you mean versions from multiple realities?.
@@TheMattrking The box isn't called Hellraiser, it's the lament configuration or lemarchands box.
@@scottneil1187 Which is why I named it in the comment; the Lament Configuration is something only Hellraiser fans would know. I call out Hellraiser as it’s the thing that general audiences would get, but I clarify that I am talking about the Lament Configuration in the parentheses for those who are in the know.
PLEASE DO MORE OF THIS, I love this set up and more conversation style video
So I just found this out but Tom Cruise was supposed to be Van Helsing, but he eventually moved over to The Mummy.
Peter Cushing is and always will be Van Helsing to me.
We are faraway Brad now.
If im remembering correctly matthew lillard was supposed to be in scream 3 but due to script leaks they had to rewrite the script a bunch so eventually he got written out. They said after his death in the orignal they sent him to an insane asylum and he would have been there between films.
Imagine that they do that for SCREA|VI
Well, I guess it could have worked. He only had a TV smash his head the electrocute him.
That moment when you realize that there's a character missing from Monty Python and the Holy Grail: Merlin
Gilliam was supposed to play him but they cut him to bring the film closer to the Arthurian legend. Tim is the remnants.
This type of episode where as soon as the premise is introduced you can see Karl rapidly looking around, like he's downloading, remind me of that one vidya game where his ultimate move is just talking the person to death for massive damage
I'm convinced if they filled those dark universe offices with goths the films would never have failed
Late comment, sorry. But I really like this layout! It's just much easier for me to concentrate on people speaking when I can see them and you both look more comfortable than standing in front the of screen, like when Karl had the desk it looked more comfortable for him. And with everyone on here doing more it seemed more awkward for them to stand there in front of the green screen. Maybe I've just gotten used to the podcast format, tho, with everyone in comfortable seating. Haha
I want a movie where Ash Williams just kills a bunch of old slasher villains
There’s a “fan-fic” story here on RUclips that is a really good movie pitch that assembles the 80’s horror Avengers for an adventure through Hell. Freddy, Jason, and Chucky team up with a new character to try to escape hell, while Michael rampages through a hospital to destroy the new character’s body before they have a chance to kill satan.
It’s worth listening to the pitch called Hellbound.
"Oh, I am hopeful for the world! But I have met people, who live in it!" - Karl
for your final vision.
there is this great comic con video where voice actors from different cartoons read the script of Star Wars Episode IV as their characters
The AvP universe is much bigger than you state, there's the five predator films, the six Alien films, Blade Runner and its sequel and Soldier, unofficially some of us include Outland too.
I always wanted to see a Indian Jones meets Brandon Fraser mummy movie crossover
The game Dead by Daylight has Ash Williams facing a bunch of slasher killers and that’s a blast
The Godzilla universe, Legendary forced Toho to not make movies the same year as they did, and the development hell for Godzilla vs Kong made it impossible for them to make a proper sequel for Shin Godzilla. They had Anno Hideki on board, there were even rides with Evangelion and Godzilla together!
The equivalent to a "Dective Crossover Universe" was done as a spoof in Murder by Death circa 1976. It crossed Ms. Marple, Piorot, Charlie Chan, Sam Spade, and Nick & Nora from the Thin Man movies. Pretty dated (and another example of Peter Sellers in yellowface), but still enjoyable.
Nice. More conversational than usual.
As for GoT casting, I liked Ian Glenn as Bruce Wayne in Titans. one of the few good decissions in this series
Terminator had the hardest falloff of any cinematic universe I can think of. Two good movies and a good TV show, but now it’s lucky to get a mediocre entry.
Agreed, Sarah Connor Chronicles needs more love too, great show, I'd give Salvation a pass too as at least we got to see the future for more than a second, quite like it. Alien had a pretty big drop off too but at least 3 has the special edition, which I Iove and Four is still entertaining, Ridley's other 2 can die though.
I like the old cinematic universes like RB Christmas specials and the old Universal Monsters. They didn't even know, when they made those movies, that they would be in the same universe until they grew together and eventually crossed over.
How it should be, organic synergy, not forced.
"Murder by Death" from 1976 was sort of a Movie Detective Universe film, although it had recognizable detectives with other names. I just rewatched it and remember that it was not very good.
They didn't had the Scooby gang. Major fail.
@GOD of TWINKIES You have a point there. The detectives were largely from The 1930's and 1940's. I didn't know who they were when the movie came out. It was only when I rewatched that movie recently that I understood. It was more a movie for my parents and grandparents.
@@jfess1911 great movies are for everyone, but i agree, you need a certain level of maturity for most movies to be fully apreciated.
@@godoftwinkies574 In Murder By Death, the issue was that it was a satire of 1930's and 1940's mystery movies and I had not yet seen the originals.... and that it wasn't very funny. They had actors playing caricatures of Poirot, Miss Marple, Charlie Chan, Sam Spade (Humphry Bogart impersonation), as well as Nick and Nora Charles from the "Thin Man" movies.
It had a lot of good actors, just a bad script. Peter Sellers in yellowface is particular cringeworthy.
@@jfess1911 quality is rarely high in Satire.
The fact that The Hobbit isn't as well crafted as The Lord of the Rings is that Peter Jackson had less than a year for pre-production and the studio constantly interfered, whereas for TLotR he had practically free range and 4 years for pre-production.
that's still like, a pretty damning condemnation, "the guy in charge of creative vision was rushed and pushed to and fro by the suits and that's why the movie was worse" still admits that the people in charge of making the decisions on the movies didn't care to allow the time and effort to be put into the movie that needed to be, which is the complaint being made
@@femthingevelyn I'd say, because of Jacksons talent the Hobbit movies turned out better than they should be due to all the studio meddling.
There was a saying I once heard. "Better, faster, cheaper. You can only pick 2 out of the 3." The person that told that told that to me basically said that he was always asked for all 3 but he kept telling them it's impossible and to pick 2 out of the 3.
There was a Mummy movie before the Brendon Frasier movie though. It starred the original Frankenstein actor, Boris Karloff, as the mummy. It's pretty much identical to Dracula, minus everything cool about Dracula.
I totally noticed the multicam sitcom style editing and I totally dig it tbh
Combine Fast and Furious with Back to the Future, where Doc's flux capacitor is taken from his long forgotten laboratory. Dom runs into thief when he tries to break into his car, where they get into a chase that leads them back to the perp's Safe-house. Dom finds that the perp is just a dumb kid but the capacitor is given as a sign of good faith. Installing it into his car, Dom gets the promised speed boost, but is sent straight into the past where it's up to him, and his small group of friends to survive the treacherous T-Rex as they search for a way to return power to the flux capacitor and back to their own time.
I would totally watch this, except you got it wrong about his small group of 'friends'. Those are fambly.
This is the only Back to the Future reboot that I would endorse
Please don't give them ideas!, the only route left to them at this point is time travel!.
I'm suddenly reminded of The League of Extraordinary Gentleman, and how that mightve been the start of a 'cinematic universe' if thibgs had gone differently....
You missed the Dark Tower, that was meant to connect Stephen King films... but they put a 7 book epic into 1 film...
He'd already done it in Needful Things years before, not to mention Kings books all take place in the same universe anyway, seems like it should have been simple but not for modern Hollywood!. They did plan to make loads of films, a TV show and other media but scrapped it for some reason.
I think they implied the Dark Tower film is the reboot/sequel to the books. It's Roland of Gilead on the next go-through.
Yes! Real “What If?” films. I want the new & interesting. I won’t complain gents.
There kinda was a Robin Hood cinematic universe in the 30s-50s ... Robin Hood, Ivanhoe, Man in Iron Mask, etc.
This was a great conversation, thanks for sharing.
Sad to think that Universal has the original cinematic universe, and the most embarrassing failure of an attempt in the reboot of that same cinematic universe.
3 failures, Van Helsing, I Frankenstein and Dracula Untold and the dark universe.
The hobbit trilogy turned out how it did because Guillermo did a year or 2 of pre production for 2 movies and left before shooting, studio panicked and got Peter Jackson who wanted to save the production being a mega Tolkien fan, behind the scenes he was scrambling for what to shoot in next to no time, hence over reliant on CGI as shots were literally not planned, or maybe not even written, sometimes even on the day working out key decisions and then studio also decided to make it a trilogy because money. Andy Serkis became second unit director, having not much experience. Most of this info is in behind the scenes footage
When passion or profit informs your choices it will show in the end, because it will colour every decision based on what drives the movie to be made.
14:44 Aragorn was actually in Rivendell when Bilbo and the dwarves arrived there. He was like 9 at the time and didn't yet know of his lineage. My head cannon is that Bilbo met young Aragorn while he was in Rivendell both times and was sworn to secrecy by Elrond to keep Aragorn a secret from everyone, even Gandalf, to protect him from the enemy. This would explain how Bilbo and Aragorn are so good friend in Fellowship and how Bilbo could write the Riddle of Strider
Brad looks like a true norf fc geezer.
Absolute lad
imagine dom torretto gets lost in space, gets picked up by mercenaries and changes his name to riddick, all the riddick movies become him basically trying to get back home
Good to see you Brad. Moving like you did a lil while ago
invisible man ended up being amazing like absolutely increadible
I was just thinking how amazing it would have been if the dark cinematic universe accumulated with the remake of the Monster Squad.
Scream movie - starts with real people pretending to be horror/supernatural killers.
Which causes a few actual ones to show up.
Id love for the story to be good and grounded but then one of the villians jokes around and says "candy man" 3xs and boom we get like 2-4 real threats
The best cinematic universe is the View Askewniverse.
Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Clerks 2, Jay and Silent Bob's Super Groovy Cartoon Movie!, Jay and Silent Bob Reboot, and Clerks 3.
Coming Soon: Twilight of the Mallrats.
If I don’t see the dark multiverse on here I will be very sad
Jumper. Full of teleporting bastards and the good guys are serial killers. The implications of teleporters is horrifying.
You know what would be a good "credits" picture pose of when there is the two of you in the video? That bad photoshopped picture of Twilight where there's Taylor Lautner hugging Robert Pattinson looking at the horizon......
Dark Universe movies should have taken a few cues from "Monster Squad"
seeing all of this makes me happy about how well Star Trek is doing sure I'm not a fan of Discovery but others like it. but there are other shows I do like. there has never been more Trek.
Apart from Strange New Worlds it's all trash though.
@@scottneil1187 i like Lower decks. and as kids show prodigy isn't bad either. Picard had some major consistency issues. but season 3 had its moments. But strange new worlds is the best its thew one that in my mind captures the essence/idea of star trek the most.
20:42 Have Matthew show up as William Afton for no reason at all. I can already smell the brains of theorists round the world frying as they try to figure out how Scream 3 ties into FnaF
21:00 YO! Sherlock, Columbo, & Bruce Wayne solve Death Note...!
One comes to mind, it is the Robin Hood franchise. Unfortunately the Robin Hood movie did not perform as well as they wanted to, and so they scrapped the idea of creating a universe based off Robin Hood and his merry men. It was supposed to be a Trilogy at least. But after the failure of the first one, they completely scrap the whole idea.
The dark universe always upsets me because it was such a good idea and I wish it had a good execution
Well, talking about mummy movies, we all know most genres instalments come in pairs and the year prior to "the mummy" (1999) came "tale of the mummy" (1998) staring Jason Scott Lee.
I'd forgotten about that dumpster fire.
@@scottneil1187 a Masterpiece by todays standards. :D
Lord of the Rings vs. Aliens.
I'd watch that.
Slasher Villian Rom Com. The only way to have them all.
brad looks like he's about to cry, me too
crossover detectives: Murder by death. Slasher crossover: Cabin in the woods and freddy vs jason vs ash is in commic
In the grimdark future, there is only war
Batman didn't go back in time to meet Shelock Holmes. Sherlock is just crazy old in DC and was over 100 years old when they met.
Great topic
Pixar Universe is the happiest and saddest. So many great moments.
Russel Crowe as Mr.Hide would have been lit.
The MCU has been the SADDEST cinematic universe since 2019, only for the fact that Kevin Smith's View Askewniverse is technically canon in the MCU. Stan Lee had that cameo in Mallrats, and who was sat on a bus, reading the script for Mallrats, in Captain Marvel, which was set in 1995.....
So TECHNICALLY Jay and Silent Bob COULD show up one day......(fingers crossed that they don't!)
Man, imagine how much Smith would cry if that happened, ngl, I'd love to see Bluntman & Chronic appear somewhere though!, or at least Jay.
I love you guys. more of this =)
Speaking of cinematic universe.. Even tho it's Ezra miller... I seriously hope they make use of cramped spaces in the Flash movie. I think a problem of live action flash content is, that he doesn't really feel fast. There's a huge overuse of slowmotion, which in my opinion doesn't really make anything feel fast. Cramped spaces and fights in small rooms, is one of the best spaces to capture the flash'es speed, since it forces him to move around the entire room including walls and ceilings, in stead of just slowmotion running
Like Fox did with Quicksilver?. Those scenes are the best in the x films.
@@scottneil1187 nah it was all still slowmotion. I'm talking about realtime cramped fights
Toonsandwhich on youtube do have like a cinematic cinematic universe thing with a load of characters from movies interacting they even have a scene with a load of detectives like brad says
We need a cross universe of Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot, and Jacques Clouseau.
Even with all of Rowling's current shit completely disregarded, the later Harry Potter movies, and especially the Fantastic Beasts movies are just such soulless corporate blockbusters. All the life, whimsy and eclectic mania of the early movies and books were just sucked out of that franchise.
I thought they were all soulless to be honest, I really tried to like them but can't, the kids are insufferable in the early ones and the later ones are just meh. Fantastic Beasts was dire.
As soon as I saw the title, "Oh, another video on the Dark Universe".
I always love hearing about this absolute crash and burn, poorly executed plan.
Them: king Arthur
Me: oh yes, I forgot all about the Clive owen /kiera Knightley film. Didnt Arthur have like 7 trusted knights that were all going to have spin offs, and then they abandoned it after the Tristan and isolde movie because no one saw it and they realised that people only knew anything about king Arthur, and there were severe diminishing returns on other films they had planned. That must have been in like the early to mid 2000's, making it a cinematic universe that predates marvel by several years, and yet doesnt get any recognition for being a cinematic universe, making it a good choice for the saddest one.
Them: the charlie hunnam one?
Me: havent seen it....also, how does king Arthur take the 2 top spots for this question!
Idris Elba as Merlin... An ancient CELTIC mythological character? In that case I want Paul Bettany to be cast as Anansi when they make a film about him.
I think the monster one could have been really funny for how bad it would have been. But if you want to cast a big name actor to play the invisible man you go for somebody like John Hurt (I know he's dead but he had an amazing voice) or Idris Elba.
Andy Serkis is a safe pick for someone who won't be directly seen
@@AgentTasmania Of course! I can't believe he slipped my mind
@@AgentTasmania He'd sound too much like the one from LXG.