FBI Agents Have to Wear Crap, Baggy Suits - Fact Fiend
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Does Karl not know who Josh Brolin is?
I knew the actor in MIB3 was cast for looking like Jones but didn’t realise it was Josh Brolin until I found the clip for the edit as it’s been a few years since I’ve watched the film.
Hope that clears it up.
-Karl
Wow Karl is very polite, I wonder if he is part Canadian? Or are Canadians just the polite part of the British?
@Fact Fiend I can relate, as I also forgot it was actually Josh Brolin until this video showed him... 😅
@@torm0 *Sir Arthur T. Polite, he was knighted posthumously in 1779.
@@torm0 he popularized the phrase "Domo arigato Mr. Roboto"
I saw a video where the FBI were waiting on a guy to leave his house, so they showed up in street clothes pretending to be journalists and waited.
I saw a picture of about 10 FBI agents in a field (some sort of event thing) and they all looked the exact same
@I_will_commit_war_crimes are you talking about the 5 men looking like phratt Boys with the same haircut and clothes in a circle?
@@EvidentlyEezy probably
@@EvidentlyEezy no it was one where a group of maybe five? We're standing outside of a guys house and the journalists said when they got there they were dressed like slobs.
@lewislabuff8862 nah we talking about different things, I've seen the photo you're referring to. But what Myself and the other person were talking about is the photo from the 2nd capitol building rally.
I don't remember a ton about Men In Black III, BUT
There's an establishing shot in the beginning of the movie, going down into the MIB headquarters, and it's...okay, it's full of CGI aliens walking around.
The shot is repeated after J goes to the past, but ALL of the aliens are practical effects instead.
I just remember being delighted by that little love letter to practical effects of the past, and using it as a way to show time travel - we're in the '60s, so let's use '60s film techniques!!
I do like MIB 3 And haven-t noticed that. Thank you for pointing it out. I-m watching it again this weekend.
@@ColorblindVic What's up with your apostrophe key/button? Just curious.
@@Arcanist_Gaming My keyboard was set to spanish and I didn't realized until it was already posted
@@ColorblindVic Oh, that makes sense lol. Mine will switch into Canadian French all the time and turn any symbol into É , so I probably should have thought of that
That is the best use of okay cgi ever.
You'd be surprised how invisible you become when you put on a hi-vis jacket.
The FBI suit image is pretty much based on the old "IBM look". The idea was to be an everyman - who just happens to have a gun and a badge. You are supposed to blend in. Which obviously evolves over time.
Same thing with spies (probably).
My favorite G man from pop fiction is Gman from Half Life. Dude just appears in the corner of your vision while you're fighting for your life and he just walks away. "The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world."
Been watching the original Inspector Gadget cartoon, and it is better than I remember! One of my favorite parts is how the commissioner would give Gadget his orders in the most ridiculous disguises, and Gadget always gives back the note before it self-destructs. As the show goes on, the commissioner always tries to find a way of giving Gadget his orders without getting hurt in the process, but no matter how he does it, he always is in pain afterwards. You'd think he would stop making the note to self destruct after reading, but he never does.
Especially since he could just eat it.
I know it's not but why does this comment feel like it was written by a bot?
@@MisterMosfet maybe I just made it too run on? Wasn't intentional.
@@MisterMosfet Because it was made by a bot dude.
As someone who works for an FBI-equivalent in another country, I can tell you this:
In the office, we don't even dress "business casual". We can pretty much wear whatever we want. However, once we're on assignment, this changes drastically.
I think Men In Black works best when it embraces its B-movie origins. They aren't super serious ultra badasses, they are just people who become badasses through experience and surviving a LOT of shit that kills people. The casual "I always thought one of my teachers was from Mars" "Oh yeah, Mrs X, she's from Jupiter. Well, one of the moons.", or in MIB2 where it turns out the sorting machine is an alien and K just reacts to it with "No Smoking!" and taking his cigarette and putting it out. I adored the way J got in not through being the best gunman, or the smartest, but by taking in everything, questioning it, and finding a solution. The fact that he moved the table, and shot the one character who was out of place because she had some hyper advanced science books.
The fact that time travel required you to go exactly the right speed and it was that or go splat on the ground was perfect. The fact in the 60s their neuralisers had dial-up, and so on. The movies are not good, and that's what makes them great.
not dial up
it was battery pack
@@NoNameAtAll2 It was both, he had a giant battery pack and then it started doing the dial-up sounds to get ready.
I remember every time my ex gf found a pair of jeans or shorts or a dress with actually pockets she got so excited and I was always confused until she explained/showed me that women's clothing rarely has real pockets.
We concluded that it's in part because the same people who make the clothes also make the purses. If women had pockets most women wouldn't buy purses.
Its actually cause back in the day they didnt want women to hide spells and such in their pockets.. and not all women carrying purses
having been a boy recruited into being the 'pockets' to hold gear for his female friends on an average night out, i can sympathise... there is a very real struggle between maintaining a decent contour-hugging outline vs. having your mate have to haul all of your miscellaneous rubbish all night long on your behalf
Let me guess, the people who make women's clothing also make purses.
It's also because clothing companies think that women don't want pockets because they'd ruin our "womanly figure"
@@stephaniec9539'Back in the day' Women's clothing was made with massive pockets because woman had to work too, which meant they had to carry tools sewing and weaving etc around as well. Removing them is primarily a function of *modern* clothing being tailored to look like it's painted on, and the seam from pockets ruining that. And possibly the very real history of women with large dresses that had hoodie-type pockets sewn in using them as tools for shoplifting. Maybe read more actual history and less feminist propaganda.
I picture the FBI in those navy jackets with FBI written in big yellow letters across the back. Now, the CIA, on the other hand, the CIA is a three letter organisation that I envision as an army of nameless, faceless suits.
Really wish you could have cut to Archer telling everyone he's a spy to pick up women, or his air Marshall shenanigans! Oh, and his suit advice to Cyrel! Would have slapped SO hard! Director's cut!
My favourite Who Am I scene, and possibly favourite Jackie Chan fight scene in general, with the guy in the back realizing everything is a weapon for Jackie and getting rid of anything on his body that Jackie can and will use against him.
Including his gun? 😄
@@korganrocks3995 Oddly enough he doesn't even keep it loaded since he prefers to beat his opponent into submission.
I mean if you want to try and keep more of the john wick illusion, I imagine you could have a suit tailored to appear well fitting while actually having the neccessary bagginess and longer pockets needed in the neccessary locations inside.
It's easier said than done.
it takes a lot of alterations and careful fabric choice to get something you can move freely in, looks good, and let you carry what you need.
You need to go the custom suit route since no fashion brand has that specific use case in mind and at that point you're spending upwards of 600$ at the low end from somewhere like indochino
@@TheLyingFigureconsidering how he was the world's most feared hitman as well, he'd likely have the necessary funds to pull it off
@@sev1120 Yeah John totally could I just meant it isn't worth it cost wise for the average person
That clip from "who am I" was an awesome little nugget. The number of times I've met people that had no idea that movie existed, is crazy! It's a classic, in my opinion.
I wish this video was about three times longer, I could listen to these conversations all day. Love your guys' stuff!
Thing is, expensive suits aren't meant to be tight. A lot of the ways they're made are specifically intended to make you comfier, and a decent blazer can be pretty good at concealing firearms. But I don't imagine most FBI agents have 3-5 grand bespoke suits. And in a lot of ways for a lot of people, if you tell them to have loose suits they might just fit properly. Not that I haven't sold ones to guys who are also totally fine with them being too loose but tighter is defo more common
Columbo has the best suit in fiction simple as. Beyond Iconic, endearingly scruffy, and with bottomless pockets
I don't think I've ever heard the "if you ask a cop if they're a cop they have to tell the truth" trope done straight. I hear it referenced but always either said by stupid crooks, or being refuted by someone that's confused for a cop.
I love that "Some guy that looks like Tommy Lee Jones" is Josh Brolin. You know... Thanos, Cable, and a whole slew of non-comic characters.
Yeah sometimes Karl tries too hard to be contrarian and it's a little annoying
Cause his point isn't about that it's important who it was they got, just that they managed to find another good actor that happens to look convincingly enough like the original.
@@Tores444 I've seen Josh Brolin in several movies, and I couldn't have told you that was Josh Brolin, despite normally being freakishly good at recognising actors... like seeing some random british actor and recognising him from a cameo appearance in an episode of Doctor Who or whatever that I saw once more than a decade ago. Sometimes the recognition software malfunctions, doesn't have to be contrarianism.
I saw a cop in a suit on the bus this week (Australia). The jacket was taylored (he was a big, solid, blocky bloke) the sholders fit and everything below hung straight, vertical and even. Same with the pants, it was hard to exactly read his stance. At a glance, it looked like his feet were together but he's on a moving bus so his feet were apart (like a ready stance). That was what drew my eye in the first place.
edit: missed a word
So, that actor who looks like Tommy Lee Jones? It's Josh Brolin you know, Thanos, Cable... The Goonies..*nods* I assume you knew this ... But I felt I should put it here for those who didn't clock it.
Here's an idea. I'm probably not the first to think about it, but a partial solution to the air marshals would be to have multiple per plane, with only one or two actually being "visible" to distract from the "active" ones.
FBI: Dress cleanly but don't look like you're trying to dress cleanly.
Rookie: How do I do that?
FBI: I dunno... dress casually.
John Wick's suits are tailored to fit his weapons
A lot of Air Marshalls are just off duty airline pilots on their way back to their home city
Best suit in fiction? Clearly the suit in The Tuxedo with Jackie Chan. I'd kill for that suit.
The day I realized that was Vincent D'Onofrio in men in black I said ain't no way,then I looked it up and just appreciated him more
Same!
Sounds like GTA5 portrayed FBI agents pretty accurately with the blue polo shirts and cargo khaki, or loose bland suits.
TBF, Breaking Bad was specifically showing that the "You have to tell me if you are a cop" troupe was not true.
So David duchovny's suits in The X-Files are proper FBI attire?
i love carls mug, i have a similar hello kitty mug and love them everytime i drink coffee
Before filming Dr No Director Terence Young took Sean Connery to a Savile Row tailor to get his first James Bond suit He said to Sean: 'All right, now it fits like the glove. And I want you to go home, and I want you to sleep in it. And I want it to become your skin.'"
As someone who's fascinated with the security world, and firearms, I can absolutely tell you that US airline security is absolutely a show, and that's about it.
I'd highly recommend watching videos from people like Deviant Ollam, explaining situations they've had while flying to different states with their firearms, and how bad the TSA is at actually preventing attacks, to the point that they arguably help criminals. You have to fly with your guns cleared, and in a locked, hard sided container. They're supposed to send those cases to oversize luggage to be scanned. They often will just not do that for some ungodly reason, and will insist on manually checking the bag, but almost never give the person the chance to give them the key to the locks, so they cut them off. They usually replace them with zip ties, or extremely bad locks, which they don't give you the key to, so they have to be cut off again.
So basically they often screw over the law abiding citizens, but make it extremely easy for a criminal to steal someone's firearm.
Deviant Ollam also has an excellent story about how the TSA stopped him because he had plastic knives. That's a fun one.
It's a total joke
This is the first video I've seen in my feed in what feels like a year! I didn't know it, but I missed you guys! Got a lot to catch up on now 😊
13:50 The funniest part of this scene is the fact the “dumb” guy talking about how undercover police can’t lie if asked, is in fact an undercover officer.
There's also several cases of undercover police officers starting relationships, and even marrying and having children with the people they're surveiling
i think karl might have forgot the beginning of the MIB movie was with 2 MIB agents stopping a truck of people and pulling one aside to take him into a field then reveling his full alien body. not when will smith is chasing the alien
FBI dress according to their position/roll. It also depends on the situation. If your ment to recognize them as FBI/Secret Service you definitely will, if your not meant to recognize them then you likely won't. Undercover agents are next to impossible to recognize. I can't go further into detail/explain where I get my info.
I know the tilde of Who Am I? Has a question mark but the thought of you guys not being sure of the movie even with Karl being a big fan, really cracked me up just you guys questioning if that is the name of the movie. Also you guys really make my day thank you
i concur with regard to nisha's comments regarding the 'princess' effect of wearing a corset + full-length skirt. my previous girlfriend was a bridesmaid in a wedding wearing that combo, and when she walked in, i got giddy from the sight... she looked magical.
The lack of uniformal attire probably is also so it is harder to spot when going too and from work, making it harder to threaten them and their loved ones, similiar idea for civil servants who have to declare money troubles but can still access highly private information. It is harder to force someone in a position of access to protected data when they are harder to spot day to day.
The Breaking Bad clip was a good example as long as you ignore the next five seconds of context where the guy turns out to actually be a cop lmao
Tuxedo with Jackie Chan
"go go gadget" is like "okay google"
I remember watching the inspector gadget movie ages ago, several years before I learned about the thing it was based on in fact. I don't remember much, but the tiny bits I do remember were brilliant, and it made a lasting impression on me. But that might also have to do with a scene where his body explodes uncontrollably into dozens of tucked away gadgets that he has no control over and the existential dread of being more machine than man, a freak of nature, sets in.
Best G-Man = Gir in disguise: "I am a government man. I come from the government. The government has sent me."
That's Thanos sir. And he locked himself into a hotel in Tijuana with every Tommy Lee movie to prepare for the part.
My favourite suit is Gomez Addams' smoking jacket, the burgundy and black one. It is gorgeous 😍
I know right? I have a suit jacket that’s similar that I unfortunately am too large in the middle for now 😢
I really like Spike Spiegle's as a fictional suit. I wanted to dress up like him for halloween 2 years ago and it ended up being better to sow together a costume than trying to find a cheap blazer that was similar.
my friend had the fbi show up to his house (long story) and one of the guys was wearing a construction uniform
Favorite suit in fiction has to be the half white half black suit that two face wears in Batman TAS. Always wanted one of those.
I'm shocked neither mentioned the suit from Jackie Chan's The Tuxedo
What's terrifying is that law enforcement are allowed to lie to people during interrogations, a situation where your own lies can be used as evidence against you during trial. So police are fundamentally held to a lower standard and conducting their investigations than you or I are held to in living our daily lives.
In general, cops have a wide latitude to ignore the law when operating undercover as well. Meaning a cop may actually contribute to a felony in order to get someone on a misdemeanor. This actually happens far too often.
Then there's qualified immunity: The concept that it is not reasonable to expect a cop to actually be cognizant of your civil rights, while you still have to be cognizant of every possible law that you might break in order to avoid being arrested. So again, police are held to a far lower standard than the communities they are supposed to be protecting.
This kind of highlights the problem with police in the United States. They are simply positioned to be above the law by both legislative action and judicial decisions. And you can see why so many people just simply hate the police.
Ah so I am a FBI agent, not poor
Oh, look at mr moneybags over here with a suit!😛
Funky fact: FBI agents are trained to not laugh at anything. Heard it from an FBI evidence technician. That guy wouldn’t laugh at any jokes, even the nervous priest and the Monsignor joke, nothing.
Fictional suit: the tuxedo from the movie of the same name. Turns anyone who wears it into Jackie Chan with parkour skills.
15:42. Dude no one’s looking at your socks, Mr. Monopoly moustache looking fella
Josh Brolin played young agent K
Afted over a year of missing your vids, i am happy to sya i love this channel just as much as i did back then
Going back to men in black 3, and realized Josh Brolin was young Tommy Lee Jones.....
Josh Brolin is in alot of quality features....my favorite of which is no country for old men. Solid flick
This is the comment I came here for!
I believe Ninjas would do something similar.
They would dress similarly to any random civilization to better blend in.
5:30 - Best part is, that is Josh Brolin (aka Cable in Deadpool 2 and Thanos) and he wasn't much younger than Tommy Lee Jones.
I bet that was on purpose, because Tommy Lee Jones looks like he was born old! 😄
I would run to the television after school to watch the animated Inspector Gadget.
Two corrections: J Edgar Hoover (FBI director) is no relation to Herbert Hoover (US President). The Secret Service is in charge of protecting the president, not the FBI. the Secret Service is actually a branch of the Treasury Department, so their other primary responsibility is dealing with counterfeit money.
Don’t they have some secret ink library? So they can both keep tracked of marked bills, but it’s also to tell what ink a potential letter is written in, so they can track it down?
I swear I’ve heard that before.
5:15 when you realize young tommy lee jones is actually just thanos
OMG! Archer telling everyone he was a spy to get laid was actually genius undercover work. SOAB!
And here I am now thinking about how amazing these $1500 socks he should have had must have been, I'm wondering where I could acquire some.
I don’t think the socks cost as much as the suit (which was $1,500) but socks can can get pretty expensive. There are cashmere socks, merino wool socks, and I think some other kind that Karl did a video on.
There are also combat socks, designed not to smell too bad after a week on a soldier’s foot.
I’ve checked and the British Army have anti-microbial socks which are merino lined and waterproof.
On the Inspector Gadget thing, in-universe "Go-Go Gadget" is supposed to be the activation phrase for the mechanism that lets him use his gadgets, kind of like how you gotta have to go "Hey Alexa" before saying "Play Despacito". Functionally, however; it was just to give him a catch phrase.
My three favorite suits in fiction are Mr. Conductor’s suit from Thomas and the Magic Railroad (which I have a cosplay of), the Joker’s suit from Batman 1989 (I also have a cosplay of that), and the 10th Doctor’s suit from Doctor Who.
10:02 given the... other things he did as director of the fbi(hint this was around the civil rights movement) this honesty tracks
I guess this should lead on to "what is a well dressed super hero"? Cape? No cape?
Certain police agency in the USA don't have a law that says you are entitled to a phone call, but they have policy that would entirely you too one.
I think you meant to say J. Edgar Hoover. Herbert Hoover was a president. Love your work!
John Wick's suits are custom tailored for fighting and protection
Nisha's reaction to getting the question right made me chuckle
I remember watching Inspector Gadget at the movies when it first came out. I was surprised at how short it was compared to other movies at the time.
I spent a lot of time with secret service members a few summers ago, they wore Hawaiian shirts an cargo shorts almost every time I saw them
If I could, I would just walk to work everyday in full steel or titanium plate armor. I don’t live in a particularly dangerous area or anything, I just fucking feel like it.
best G-man in fiction? Seely Booth - Bones
This episode of Facti Fiend has Big Fact Energy
23:45 "Favourite suit in fiction"
I wouldn't wear it (and besides that, it's animated), but the lead character in 'Soul' has a very nice suit.
Frasier's outfits from 'Frasier', whether its suits or casual, are almost all nice.
Tommy Lee Jones wears this really nice looking overcoat in 'The Fugitive.'
The suits Jimmy wears in 'Boardwalk Empire' look nice.
This is an IRL example, but I was watching the 2023 State of the Union Address and Paul Pelosi was rocking a really nice suit and trilby ensemble. He actually pulls it off. Maybe it's his age. Looks very slick. And at 82 it shows he still gives a sh*t about his appearance.
For Nisha and the women's needing pockets in their skirts etc, Snag Tights make real pockets in their stuff and it changed my life. Can we push for Snag Tights to make a cool FBI style suit for women with pockets 😆
But wouldn't that suit be highly recognizable, and thus out the wearer as an agent?
@@derekstein6193 Shhh
Favorite movie clothes - Jackie Chan's The Tuxedo!
I cant not watch the cycling colored headphones and watch the skips for when they cut it lol
my favourite suit in fiction visually is probably Mr Knight's suit in the Oscar Isaacs Moon Knight. it'd obviously have to be a three-piece suit and that one? that pure white one with the double-breasted waistcoat with lapels and the mask and the gloves? it's exquisite
In My Blue Heaven, Vinnie calls out Barney's socks.
In processing once you are arrested there are phones you can call collect from or dial out to a bail bondsmen to bail yourself out
Going to guess it's so their gun isn't bulging through
"A series where every film is bad except the first one."
So Highlander.
Vincent D'Onofrio, The Kingpin to younger folk played Private Pyle (Full Metal Jacket) and the Thor tow truck driver (Adventures in Babysitting) in the same year.
Wait, THAT's what G-man means?
Government-man. I assume he's referencing the guy from the game Half-Life.
In U.S you can infact call someone other than your attorney, you can call family to help arrange legal representation, bail bondsmen to arrange bail, and even spiritual advisor (from a more fervently religious time).
In fact the fourteenth amendment to due process entitles you to it and to deny someone phonecalls counts as a civil rights violation. This also means you can't be held for an unduly amount of time before granting you your call, it may vary state to state but denying someone a call for more than an hour of arrest is usually considered a unduly amount of time.
Also no phoncall to legal representation can be listened to or recorded and used as evidence as it against the law to listen to a privileged conversation.
That said you don't ha e a right to call your bookie to place a bet or a friend to discuss fan theories about the latest TV show, it has to be directly related to your arrest and nothing else.
When you mentioned government man I really just wanted that scene from invader zim where grr comes in saying he is government man from the government
Yeah, some of them call it the "shlubby" look. Very non-threatening.
that ending came outta left field
Growing up near *Wappingers Falls, NY* during the 60s, whenever we saw *The Men in Black* it was a group of *I.B.M. Employees*
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Going back and realizing Thanos is in mib3..... dude is an excellent character actor!
@26:00 ish: I feel like the reason some films were shorter in the 80s and 90s was because they were expected to make most of their profit from VHS sales. And you probably couldn't get much more than ~90m on a VHS. You certainly couldn't get 3h, which seems to be the standard for movies nowadays...
(You could do the half-speed recording thing with home VHSs to get double the time for half of the quality, but I never saw a published VHS that did this. Perhaps it required a more "advanced" VHS player, and they didn't want to bet that people had that? On the other hand, I think published VHSs could sometimes cram a little more tape into the cartridge if necessary, so you would sometimes see published VHSs that had a longer runtime than anything you could buy for home recording.)
My favorite suit of fiction is the Tuxedo from The Tuxedo starring The Jackie Chan
I need to start Patreon because this episodes making me want to see what your thoughts are on burn notice, like the random spy stuff you've heard of that would be relevant to it.