She may not gave expressed it as calmly or as nicely as the second girl but I thought the first girl had way stronger arguments and counterpoints. A little better executed and I think she would win easily.
Its about preparing for everything. The first girl cracked abit when she was being cross examined and got to emotional. A strong parry of the question on speeding would have done wonders. Something along the lines of driving has licencing and laws pertaining exclusively to it so can not be held to the same standards of ownership.
That's insane. I'm thinking of joining my school's debate team (not that I'm confident and want to win all of them, but instead because I'm a poor public speaker do I wanna learn more of it), but these debaters are INSANELY good at this, speaking and thinking so well on spot😭😭😭
This is done on purpose; the format of LD debate prescribes that opponents address/face their judges and generally should avoid addressing the opponent directly. It certainly feels awkward at first but is very deliberate. This is also why they both try to refer to opponents in the 3rd party outside of c-x (the opponent, the affirmative side, etc)
@@alyssanguyen9704 it depends on wether your team chooses to choose side or motion. In the national debate association’s forensic debate tournaments a coin is flipped and you either get to choose the resolution or wether you’ll be gov or opp, but you don’t get to choose what side you’re on knowing the resolution.
The first girl wasn't bad I just think she said actually too much and didn't speak as clearly as she should've. Her arguments were actually pretty good.
QueenOnni McA the second girl was clearly the more astute public speaker and did very well to maintain a calm demeanour in her presentation. However, I didn’t like her body language, facial expressions and tone of voice during the cross examination. She came across as somewhat condescending and arrogant during cross examination.
I think maybe they have time limit.. but i find her arguments more convincing. However the other girl calm tone makes up for her lack of argument strength.
@@jasminexma Yeah, she was definitely very nervous. Her opponent picked up on this and tried to rattle her even more during the cross examinations. You can see that the winning girl very deliberately tried to frustrate and unsettle her at every opportunity, and not give her a chance to get into her rhythm.
@Rick Mortar Pressed much, they said you cared enough to reply, I bet there were people who didn't care and didn't like or reply, that's what 'not caring' means and stop using 'handicap' as an insult because it really isn't, and it's a very derogatory term to use because is it someone's fault they were born without something you have? Man gtfo, I usually don't reply but you're as annoying as needing to pee during a 3 hour journey to London from where I live. I replied back to you because I care about how much of a fucking BITCH you are and it would pain me not to say anything, and if you dont care about comments dont reply, even if it takes 10 seconds to reply, you STILL cared for 10 seconds BICH.
both of them are! I feel like the blond girl might have been anxious or scared because of the big crowd. She was great but i feel like the Tia won this because she was more confident and locked in the topic and dodging pivots.
These candidates are absolutely remarkable, Im going into 8th and im planning to start a debate team when i get to high school, because we don’t have one currently.
Yeah she talked fast and stuttered a bit. She has 4 minutes to respond to a 7 minute speech packed with information. This is the hardest speech, and if she doesn't respond to every part, then her opponent will nitpick it out.
I agree that drugs should be treated as public health. Allison’s arguments were pretty good but there was some things I would’ve to make sense and she was a little nervous
I just finished wining 3 debates in a row and am watching this video for my finals tomorrow and i have never felt so stupid till now but it iz what it iz :)
@@helenaschair I made it to the finals of the interschool one and am prolly gonna go for international levels now And I did win the finals too, I made a interschool record too 😆 Thanks for asking tho
Tia's arguement only works if the drug she is talking about has a higher proportion to make you commit a crime while on it. Alcohol for example, is linked to excessive violence and other crimes. I'd be hardpressed to find any evidence showing marijuana use makes someone violent, its a possibility there may be studies but no significant conclusion. Tia is the better debater, but by her logic, we should be banning alcohol as well, and her point about criminal justice and rehabilitation being used together is weak because once a person gets a criminal record they are highly unlikely to be employed and recieve societal benefits thus maintaining them in a poverty cycle which we know to cause drug addiction and drug relapse. The other Girl had an easier position to argue but she needed to stop going on about systemic racism as it was pretty irrelevant to the debate.
I completely agree. The aff debater has better standing grounds on her debate Neg just knew how to counteract all her talking points a lot better. If it was constructive v. constructive I would’ve put money on Aff
Great example of an LD debate, analysis and presentation were on point. Much respect to both finalists as it was extremely hard fought, though the right woman won in the end.
Neither of them was speaking fast at all. This debate was in front of an audience, so they both spoke super slow. And if you think either of them was overly complicated, you need to open a dictionary. Here's an example of an average Varsity LD debate round --------> ruclips.net/video/e4MzZ_WS_Ww/видео.html
@@mysticfellow9843 Oh look, a Redditor. going to tell all your wholesome keanuchungus friends about how you destruction 100ed a libtard with facts and logic while blasting soviet anthem earrape?
This Tia girl is a High School student? She's smarter than me! I can't tell whether she comes from a breeding ground of lawyers or if she's a future senator.
There's a systematic way coaches train for details, such as controlling & emphasizing expressions, rounds of mock-debates, and they pay good money for the coaches in private schools
Don’t think so low of yourself. They really aren’t “smarter”they just did hours of research on the topic. The difference between you and her is that she spent her weekend inside her house researching for a debate. And you spent the weekend hopefully having fun or relaxing
This makes me want to join debate again :,) I was pretty good for being the youngest one there- At my first little competition, I was in fourth grade while everyone else was in middle school-high school and I got 2nd place-
im in my school's debate team, and we are nearing our first practice debate! im nervous so im doing research on debates to prepare myself, Tia is absolutely amazing! she has definitely become an inspiration for me :>
The long-haired girl talks SO fast that much of the argument flies by way too fast. Hard to hang on to a point because it's so fast you can't even process it.
She has 4 minutes in her first speech, and 3 in her second. The negative has 7 in their first and 6 in their second. They have more time to make and respond to arguments, while the first speaker has to talk fast to do the same.
First girl : Stays on track, makes good and valid points, has evidence, strong speaker, nervous but courageous enough. Second girl : Drives off track to a different topic, only oppose the opponent, weak and not interesting, uses complex vocabulary, calm and collected.
I believe that nobody commented because the comments were turned off until around a week ago (mid July of 2021). The vast majority of views took place back in 2019. Anyways... 11th!
They try and compare driving laws to drug laws but when you're driving unimpaired you are in the right state of mind to take action and put someone in harm, when you're on drugs you don't have that right state of mind to differentiate what's right and wrong.
I saw a movie that mocked how fast students in debate competitions talk ("Candy Jar", Netflix). I thought it was an exaggerated depiction. Now I see that the movie was right to the point. Schools teach students to talk this way? Unbelievable.
hahahahaha. This is analogy is a mere reflection of what was happening. I love it when women debate as they have a tendency to get bitchy about it hehehe( Btw i am not misogynistic, I am speaking of empirical evidence)
The first girl, Allison, was speaking far too quickly and without rhythm. She brought up some valid points, but overall her position was definitely defeated. A distasteful icing on her position was the frequently political correctness trying to suggest racist everywhere, greatly exaggerating.
For anyone wondering if they should join I think you should think you should think about your social skills and your talking skills. If you're shy and not good at speaking up then I suggest you don't, if you like sharing your opinions and speaking outloud then obviously yes it's also a good way to learn how to speak to others better. Best of luck everyone 😘 stan loona
People who consider joining debate, Do not let this scare you lol. It will take a long while before you have to faced with such immense competition (Unless your in college lol) because firstly you have to be able to build up your confidence before you can put yourself in a situation such as this. These girls have trained themselves for this sort of environment and anyone is capable of doing so.
Allison's minority discrimination critique of Tia's rule-based utilitarianism was novel to me. Anyone know where she might have gotten that from? Shame debates come without sources.
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This combines my two worst fears, public speaking and confrontation. I could never do this.
i used to be really scared of public speaking and confrontation as well, but then i joined debate and became a lot more confident. u should try it too
Overcome it.
@@cloudiigazebro i was terrified of public speaking and got fuckin drafted into the debating team
@@qck498😂
literally
I’m watching this while contemplating whether I should join debate or not 💀
Same bro
Same
Same here lol
Same
dont
She may not gave expressed it as calmly or as nicely as the second girl but I thought the first girl had way stronger arguments and counterpoints. A little better executed and I think she would win easily.
Its about preparing for everything. The first girl cracked abit when she was being cross examined and got to emotional. A strong parry of the question on speeding would have done wonders. Something along the lines of driving has licencing and laws pertaining exclusively to it so can not be held to the same standards of ownership.
The second girl won on the flow by a landslide, it's just the first one had better lay appeal.
True, but she forgets to address a quite a few of the opponents points/counter arguments.
@@_cosmos_4219 she didnt signpost the clearest but she didnt drop anything.
2nd wasnt really reading a paper
13:48
"Ok cool"
Wow the informality is just too wholesome
compared to circuit debate this is SUPER formal
That's insane. I'm thinking of joining my school's debate team (not that I'm confident and want to win all of them, but instead because I'm a poor public speaker do I wanna learn more of it), but these debaters are INSANELY good at this, speaking and thinking so well on spot😭😭😭
NO BECAUSE I’M IN THIS EXACT SITUATION RIGHT NOW 😭
ME TOO GIRLYPOPPPPP
@@lunamoth6sameee
@@bts.stan101me too
Real
it's a shame they were not facing each other with their own separate lectern... this setup makes it a bit awkward
This is done on purpose; the format of LD debate prescribes that opponents address/face their judges and generally should avoid addressing the opponent directly. It certainly feels awkward at first but is very deliberate. This is also why they both try to refer to opponents in the 3rd party outside of c-x (the opponent, the affirmative side, etc)
Yeah david stebbins said it right. Its meant to be like this
How does one become this good at debating? Impressive.
I definitely agree with the first girl, but I thought the 2nd girl was a much better debater
Yes me too!!! The 1st girl is definitely correct but the 2nd girl is making herself sound really good !
Your allowed to choose your side? SAY WHAT?! I GET FORCED TO DEBATE A SIDE WETHER I SUPPORT IT OR NOT
@@alyssanguyen9704 it depends on wether your team chooses to choose side or motion. In the national debate association’s forensic debate tournaments a coin is flipped and you either get to choose the resolution or wether you’ll be gov or opp, but you don’t get to choose what side you’re on knowing the resolution.
The first girl wasn't bad I just think she said actually too much and didn't speak as clearly as she should've. Her arguments were actually pretty good.
QueenOnni McA she seemed super nervous
QueenOnni McA the second girl was clearly the more astute public speaker and did very well to maintain a calm demeanour in her presentation. However, I didn’t like her body language, facial expressions and tone of voice during the cross examination. She came across as somewhat condescending and arrogant during cross examination.
I think maybe they have time limit.. but i find her arguments more convincing. However the other girl calm tone makes up for her lack of argument strength.
@@jasminexma Yeah, she was definitely very nervous. Her opponent picked up on this and tried to rattle her even more during the cross examinations. You can see that the winning girl very deliberately tried to frustrate and unsettle her at every opportunity, and not give her a chance to get into her rhythm.
She’s moving too much, and too many “actually “.
This gives me anxiety
Feel you
@Rick Mortar 144 people do. And clearly you care enough to leave a reply.
@Rick Mortar Pressed much, they said you cared enough to reply, I bet there were people who didn't care and didn't like or reply, that's what 'not caring' means and stop using 'handicap' as an insult because it really isn't, and it's a very derogatory term to use because is it someone's fault they were born without something you have? Man gtfo, I usually don't reply but you're as annoying as needing to pee during a 3 hour journey to London from where I live. I replied back to you because I care about how much of a fucking BITCH you are and it would pain me not to say anything, and if you dont care about comments dont reply, even if it takes 10 seconds to reply, you STILL cared for 10 seconds BICH.
@@aphradite321 you sank his battleship there bro, 😂 you live in London yeah? I’m just down the road from you Brighton.
@@aphradite321 ouy chill out mate
The girl who did the intro spoke at about a million words a minute. Holy speed girl !
You can slow down the speed on RUclips.. all of the people in this video are psychopaths btw..
exactly she should slow down a little
Fast doesn’t equal smart
@@ExoticNebulachannel true
Yeah I agree, her points would sink in more if she slowed down.
OMG the way they talk during the cross examinations is really informal. Its so funny lol. True friends LMAO
in more circuit (progressive debate) this is considered super formal. We tend to very informal moments. This CX seems kinda robotic to me
are you sure it's funny to you?
This is what reading random Twitter arguments feels like
LOL
Watching these debates is my only fun these days. Thank you for recording the debates!
it's funny this is from a year ago cause debate videos are literally being my salvation for this quarantine lmfao
@@nana-dr1yf it only gets worse my friend
tia is a phenomenal debater, her language and everything really tied everything together
I would beat her
which one is tia
@@DrMontraysthe one with black Hair
both of them are! I feel like the blond girl might have been anxious or scared because of the big crowd. She was great but i feel like the Tia won this because she was more confident and locked in the topic and dodging pivots.
Tia was a clear cut winner with regards to her whole presentation
This was a scintillating debate. Kudos to Tia Speece & Allison Sewell.
Scintillating? Really you dweeb?
@@chrisreynolds2410 what’s wrong with the word?
perfect way to describe it!
You should put in the title what this debate is about...
i agree
44:27
She's going to give you facts but all of them are from my world.
Man that's called a Winning Argument
This feels like a debate between an evil corporate mastermind and an innocent Elle Woods type hero and I’m living. 👏 👏
These candidates are absolutely remarkable, Im going into 8th and im planning to start a debate team when i get to high school, because we don’t have one currently.
I DID IT YALL 🤭💪💪
@@MadPenguinRizzGood job!
@@MadPenguinRizz nice one. Keep us apprised!
The second person was quite informal but she was more calm and steady
Yeah she talked fast and stuttered a bit. She has 4 minutes to respond to a 7 minute speech packed with information. This is the hardest speech, and if she doesn't respond to every part, then her opponent will nitpick it out.
me watching this in preparation for my debate tournament on Monday trying to see how people make strong arguments
Good luck!
How did you do?
me rn my debate is tomorrow 😭
I agree that drugs should be treated as public health. Allison’s arguments were pretty good but there was some things I would’ve to make sense and she was a little nervous
I just finished wining 3 debates in a row and am watching this video for my finals tomorrow and i have never felt so stupid till now but it iz what it iz :)
how was the debate tho it's been a month now
@@helenaschair I made it to the finals of the interschool one and am prolly gonna go for international levels now
And I did win the finals too, I made a interschool record too 😆
Thanks for asking tho
@@harshadakashyap9474 good job!!
This made me realize Zuckerberg never outgrew the nervous and jittery tendencies of a high school student on a platform.
The first girls vocal pitch would start high and then end low in almost every sentence LOL was bugging the crap out of me
Lmao same it just seems so weird
It’s like she has everything memorized. Kinda robotic
Reminds me of Buzzfeed Unsolved
Her tone is lecturey which seems to diminish confidence
Tia's arguement only works if the drug she is talking about has a higher proportion to make you commit a crime while on it. Alcohol for example, is linked to excessive violence and other crimes. I'd be hardpressed to find any evidence showing marijuana use makes someone violent, its a possibility there may be studies but no significant conclusion.
Tia is the better debater, but by her logic, we should be banning alcohol as well, and her point about criminal justice and rehabilitation being used together is weak because once a person gets a criminal record they are highly unlikely to be employed and recieve societal benefits thus maintaining them in a poverty cycle which we know to cause drug addiction and drug relapse. The other Girl had an easier position to argue but she needed to stop going on about systemic racism as it was pretty irrelevant to the debate.
I completely agree. The aff debater has better standing grounds on her debate Neg just knew how to counteract all her talking points a lot better. If it was constructive v. constructive I would’ve put money on Aff
The goth girl has a bright future ahead of her. I hope she's happy and doing well now.
So what she was unhappy and not well at the time of this?
@@sharkbite5744 ratio
@@smoothehezi9801 RUclips W
im looking at this video for ideas about the debate club I'm starting
You need to master debating before you can teach it yourself
Don't do it. It is a waste of time unless you are preparing to be a career politician.
@@epicmoments2049 You become a master by teaching and i already know a fair amount
@@jupitereye4322 Colleges like that kinda stuff
Great example of an LD debate, analysis and presentation were on point. Much respect to both finalists as it was extremely hard fought, though the right woman won in the end.
I understand the first girls tactic, speak really fast and complicated to confuse everyone
Neither of them was speaking fast at all. This debate was in front of an audience, so they both spoke super slow. And if you think either of them was overly complicated, you need to open a dictionary. Here's an example of an average Varsity LD debate round --------> ruclips.net/video/e4MzZ_WS_Ww/видео.html
@@qabbala1015 she seems to be speaking so slow now
@@qabbala1015 r/whooosh
@@mysticfellow9843 Oh look, a Redditor. going to tell all your wholesome keanuchungus friends about how you destruction 100ed a libtard with facts and logic while blasting soviet anthem earrape?
@@qabbala1015 chill out man, but lmao
it's the fact noone commented that I just felt like i had to comment 💀💀
lmaooo
I think if the second girl used "but then" less often, her argument would have flowed smoother. Other than that she killed it.
I know a korean word well expressing this situation. 자강두천. Face off between two confident geniuses.
I know a Chinese word to explain the debate 无聊 bored
@@masterrhythm4596 The debate is bored? that makes no sense
This is GOLD! Keep it up and load more, please. Greetings from Italy
Hate from canada❤
This Tia girl is a High School student? She's smarter than me! I can't tell whether she comes from a breeding ground of lawyers or if she's a future senator.
There's a systematic way coaches train for details, such as controlling & emphasizing expressions, rounds of mock-debates, and they pay good money for the coaches in private schools
You think senators are smart?
@@averagejohnson3985 Lying isn't for the weak-minded
Don’t think so low of yourself. They really aren’t “smarter”they just did hours of research on the topic. The difference between you and her is that she spent her weekend inside her house researching for a debate. And you spent the weekend hopefully having fun or relaxing
@@eliscott9327 you never talk to a kid before?
This makes me want to join debate again :,) I was pretty good for being the youngest one there- At my first little competition, I was in fourth grade while everyone else was in middle school-high school and I got 2nd place-
Was it not separated by grade or class men level?
I can't believe people actually think that this was a fast debate. Non-spectator LD rounds are usually WAY faster that this
im in my school's debate team, and we are nearing our first practice debate! im nervous so im doing research on debates to prepare myself, Tia is absolutely amazing! she has definitely become an inspiration for me :>
The long-haired girl talks SO fast that much of the argument flies by way too fast. Hard to hang on to a point because it's so fast you can't even process it.
The ben shapiro technique
lol watch any circuit round
She has 4 minutes in her first speech, and 3 in her second. The negative has 7 in their first and 6 in their second. They have more time to make and respond to arguments, while the first speaker has to talk fast to do the same.
I don’t even know how debate works. Thanks RUclips Recommendations
why do i stan them
the first girl had so much to say.
The only problem with her was that she spoke in the manner as if all her points were straight from text books.
damn, the black haired girl blew it out the water with the closing argument
Okay, cool.
neg completely killed it! really good debate
First girl : Stays on track, makes good and valid points, has evidence, strong speaker, nervous but courageous enough.
Second girl : Drives off track to a different topic, only oppose the opponent, weak and not interesting, uses complex vocabulary, calm and collected.
I present eloquent, logical arguments with objective unequivocal evidence when I debate my wife and yet she still wins every time.
probably bc shes cool
The first girl is faster than Eminem
lol
lmao
Both of them did incredible and did extremely well in the competition, as well as both being so pretty :-)) I look up to them.
I thought the girl in thumbnail was Greta Thunberg for a second
this should be an Olympic sport lmao
such a shame there was no evaluation from the judges at the end.
Omg I’m dizzy! Allie slow down just a little bit, take a breath and maybe just one cup of coffee beforehand 😉 good points though.
I think the format of Lincoln Douglas needs fast speaking. I'm pretty sure its called spreading, and it helps with time limits.
Tia's argument blew my mind.
we live in a society
Pain 😔
Had to watch Allison's part at 0.75 speed but overall they both did very well.
The debaters are so good!
I want them both as my lawyers! :D
Har Har Har😂😂!
What a great debate👏
Yo. Im a senior and I’m considering joining debate, it’s October rn. Should I? I do wanna be a better public speaker and be better at interviews.
you should, Debate is great
Debating against each-other is not a sisyphian-task if you have ideas, thoughts and words to express yourself.
This was a great debate 👍🏽:)
I believe that nobody commented because the comments were turned off until around a week ago (mid July of 2021). The vast majority of views took place back in 2019. Anyways... 11th!
i'm pretty speechless right now....
It seemed like they were both a bit confused in some moments lol
This is why I chose STEM. There is no debating involved with engineering. It is or it isn’t.
I chose STEM because I would crumble if I was to be an in-person debate 😂
THE GIRL WO DID THE INTRO WAS SOOOOOOO FASTTTT OMG LMAO. SPEED GGIIRRLLL
never heard of a debate team until today. might join
They try and compare driving laws to drug laws but when you're driving unimpaired you are in the right state of mind to take action and put someone in harm, when you're on drugs you don't have that right state of mind to differentiate what's right and wrong.
Making them stand inches apart triggers my anxiety lmao
Neg crushed it. Well done.
Is Neg the one that looks like Meg?
should i join debate if i have bad social anxiety?
I also have bad anxiety but I'm planning on atleast trying debate! So I encourage you to try it
I say go for it, it could be good for that
Great video. More like this please!
I wish my school had a debate team😢
Can I have the brief or cards they used
I saw a movie that mocked how fast students in debate competitions talk ("Candy Jar", Netflix). I thought it was an exaggerated depiction. Now I see that the movie was right to the point. Schools teach students to talk this way? Unbelievable.
We got to cram as much info as possible In Our time given. It becomes a nessesary skill
You should see policy debate then if you think this is fast.
This isn't fast at all lol
Its so fun to see non-debaters comment stuff on one of the most tech LD rounds lmao
I got on the debate team at school 😁😁
congratulations!
Both were amazing good job both
I would've totally joined a debate club in my high school had the club been a thing...
I mean, it feels like watching 2 people just talking to each other on a school bus
hahahahaha. This is analogy is a mere reflection of what was happening. I love it when women debate as they have a tendency to get bitchy about it hehehe( Btw i am not misogynistic, I am speaking of empirical evidence)
@@TheJoamirhawezi calling them bitchy is technically misogynistic sooo lol
Anuj Jain ya
must kilt just shut up an ignoble dolt that exist in this wrecked planet
@@123rtXd How is bitchy mysoginistic
wait, they're doing this willingly ?
where can i find the thank you speeches
Ur lame for da
None of us searched for this video
I like the second one better
Tia really reminds me of Kim Wexler
from Better Call Saul yeah!! haha!
That's quite awesome ❤❤❤and more helpful 🎉🎉😊
36:25 did she take speed
😂😂😂
Why does the guy doing the introduction have a yellow patch on the left eye of his glasses, and why?
The first girl, Allison, was speaking far too quickly and without rhythm. She brought up some valid points, but overall her position was definitely defeated. A distasteful icing on her position was the frequently political correctness trying to suggest racist everywhere, greatly exaggerating.
she actually did provide great information using racism as a contrast it’s just that her form was very off and rushed
I wish American Presidents and candidates were like this!
For anyone wondering if they should join I think you should think you should think about your social skills and your talking skills. If you're shy and not good at speaking up then I suggest you don't, if you like sharing your opinions and speaking outloud then obviously yes it's also a good way to learn how to speak to others better. Best of luck everyone 😘 stan loona
Allison clearly won this debate in my book.
😂😂😂 ...oh you're serious
People who consider joining debate, Do not let this scare you lol. It will take a long while before you have to faced with such immense competition (Unless your in college lol) because firstly you have to be able to build up your confidence before you can put yourself in a situation such as this. These girls have trained themselves for this sort of environment and anyone is capable of doing so.
Allison's minority discrimination critique of Tia's rule-based utilitarianism was novel to me. Anyone know where she might have gotten that from? Shame debates come without sources.
This might blow up. Probably not, but hi everyone seeing this video randomly 😂
I agree with the first girl, she has a better argument, but the second girl is a better debater in my opinion. At least I like her style more.
The blonde girl talk as fast as a rapper, impressive
Hard to understand though
These girls are at the level of Botez, the chess player