High School Debate Championship 3.16.18
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- For more than two decades, The City Club of Cleveland has hosted the annual High School Debate Championship. Every year, the top two area debaters square off in a classic "Lincoln-Douglas" style debate at a Friday forum. This year's debate is between Isaiah Paik of University School and Sebastian Williams of Gilmour Academy. The resolution is: The United States ought to provide a universal basic income.
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I wonder if the debaters were distracted when the people were speaking during prep. It just makes this round even more impressive with how well they can focus.
I've had to watch 4 of these in one day. Please help
I'm doing this for fun. :3
I feel your pain. I suggest caffeine although my leaders advise against it
Josie :3 Me too. I want to learn how to debate like Christopher from SME Confederate Flag Debate. I am already a good debater, but not as good as him.
same bro..... but i just put it on a second monitor and play minecraft while listening to the debate
i like to draw while listening to debates
Looking back at high school, Debate should have really been a core class and not an elective. It teaches you how to critically think, form your own beliefs, develop self confidence, and stand up for yourself. These skills are useful as fuck in real life.
The first guy talking about modern slavery and such really lost me. He tried to make a point by scrambling a bunch of different evidence and just really lost his argument.
Time stamps for class:
Affirmative Constructive - 6:05-12:14
Negative Cross-Examination - 12:30-15:32
Negative Constructive - 18:00-22:25
Affirmative Cross-Examination - 25:14-28:05
First Affirmative Rebuttal - 30:55-35:08
Negative Rebuttal - 37:53-44:07
Second Affirmative Rebuttal - 46:30-49:40
thank you!
All people watching the video for the debate. Me watching to see what the food people are eating.
Lool I'm watching it for my debate class, as a good debate example
Sebastian really lost points due to not having set and stone examples but a response of “many studies done”.
Kind of ironic a couple kids in private school are debating something they will never experience in their own lives.
How is that ironic
That's a nonsensical statement. Reasons being: 1. There's no relevance there. 2. People don't need to have experience on an issue to have an opinion on it (do you think all politicians need experience on this issue to have an opinion? did you have opinions on having children without having had children before?).
@@nickm.5931 You're reading too much into it. No one said that those students needed to experience the subject to have an opinion on it. All that was observed was the irony of it.
That's an ad hominem fallacy, by trying to invalidate someone's argument by attacking the person as opposed to their argument.
@@acemxe8472 no its not. just as fuckwithnolames stated, youre reading too much into it trying to act smart while being blatantly wrong
Me: *thinks about joining debate*
After watching the video: Ohh..you have to be smart to do that...
Miss Doe i Just joined yesterday, Im sorta smart ig, but im sure you could do it. At least give it a try you might really enjoy it
EVERYONE STARTS OUT BAD I PROMISE
@@shooting-raw5349 not exactly. I thought the same thing but once I learned the basics its pretty easy to write your case. it just takes time and practice
my thoughts exactly
its fun hearing these debates
They do an impressive work 💪 in this brbate😮
"you guys good?"
Formal English level: god..
Really appreciated the commentary 👍
in his illegitimate jobs point he started to talk about child labour but that implies that UBI would extend to all minors and then that means that parents would just be getting double or triple what other people get with UBI, this would also mean that UBI amounts would probably reduce for the higher amount of recipients, which would probably make it not enough for workers to have leverage over poor working conditions.
(first speech)
Asian guy is very well spoken, but on my side, i think the other guy dug himself a hole in that he wasn't able to compromise and picture the testimony the asian guy was trying to convey to the audience. What speakers need to be very aware of is the grounds of the debate. This is to always refer back to freedom and wellbeing on the basis of feasibility so that their proposition prevails and outcompetes the other . The red tie guy sticks to his guns and solely believes UBI is flawless and neglects the hurdles in the way i.e. 3 trillion dollars being pumped into the welfare system and keeping fingers crossed that it will feed back into the system via taxes. Both very good speakers, but had the red tie guy approached it differently i.e. better analogies, economical framework and an attacking approach ( by scrutinising the asian guy on how the targeted welfare programmes are fragmented and each states obliging to their own laws creates a belt of inequality between states. the Asian kid believes in selectivity, all or nothing, humans can only incur one source of deprivation i.e. You can be abused by your partner, but cannot be unemployed or vice versa). You can be defensive in an debate, but at times find the sweet weak spots to burden your opponent. Utmost respect to the speakers, I think it was a draw.
Very well said. Although I do believe the asian guy won this one. Both very articulate and enlightening in their own ways.
@Plautus egal honestly the ability to turn a debate about US economics into an opportunity to flex that you're both racist and homophobic in one sentence is impressive and shows a lot of mental capacity. Can't wait to see you flex that when you participate in a debate championship and win like isaiah did
@@tiaspeece7945 shut the fuck up!!! It was a joke, he was trying to be ironic
And different from all the intellects in this comment section
Racism = funny if used right in my opinion.
Can't wait for a reply
;)!!
gay
yeah that's the concept of offense and defense, you need both to win but when I judge I always consider defense above offense, meaning if one side did nothing but attack their opponent and never responded to their opponents attacks while their opponent only defended their case but made no attacks against them, I'd vote for the latter cuz at least they uphold what they said.
lmao I barely catching up some of the word they were saying. They talk damn fast I don't even know what topic they were on lol.
Who’s here because of trump and joe biden
Topic is: The United States ought to provide a universal basic income.
Yikes. The first few minutes I already have at least 5 to 8 different counter points against the first kid.
Can you name them please? I'm trying to learn :)
Let’s hear it (:
It's been 3 months dude where is it at?????
@@geteheh3h3636 I think he was capping
@@neilmehta5573 nah man, I was chunking.
Me literately here to flex in my grade 10 debating teachers
Oh my God I wish I had watched this very debate before attending NSDA 2018 China😭
Omg ur profile pic😂
did you really get a 1600
i wonder where they are now
Time keeper. SLOW DOWN
second dude killed. The first guy was given an easier point to argue but his evidence was still lacky
Don't think UBI is an easy thing to argue for
This debate made me fantastic
And encouraged for something
I think non-domination was a bad VC here. If the idea is that no one should control your actions, then you can't really make an argument that there should be an UVI because there is still an actor (the gov) dolling out the money. You're still dependent on the whim of the actor which, because of the UVI, has control over you.
Let me know if I'm wrong though.
1958 Lincoln Douglas debate?
Yeah year after Benjamin Franklin was president
i think it is horrible how there are not enough students willing to help out with kids in poor neighborhoods
What is this about? I didn’t watch the whole video
The woman introducing the debaters spoke TOO FAST and does not understand the concept of " a pause "..for variation and emphasis !
Not necessarily. Watch this: ruclips.net/video/e4MzZ_WS_Ww/видео.html&ab_channel=PremierDebateAmerica
The kid on the left had no chance. I don't think he even believed he picked that side of the argument.
the Asian looked much more confident and well-spoken.
It doesn't matter how they speak it's what they say that matters dumb ass
Alex Nather he never said that the Asian guy deserved to win because of that. Just that he was more confident and well spoken. Learn to read dumb ass
Alex Nather - it actually matters a lot how they speak. You can say a lot of valid, strong points. But if your voice is shaking and you sound unsure, people aren’t going to be convinced.
@@XxRosexX96 wrong, this is Ohio, but in most real national circuit debates, people do this thing called "spreading" (speed read) and its exactly what it sounds like. Before a speech each debater emails out what is called a "doc" which is what they will say in the speech. The catch is that you can only use what you say to defend ur position.
Fred Vima - ok and...?
Sebastian would not abuse anyone Sebastian just doesn't seem to know what is really going on
I quit my high school's debate team, because it turns out I'm not so smart after all. In the last competition, I got beat by a guy who's 17 and heading to the _tenth_ grade. And that's not all: I go to my city's public high school; he goes to the much smaller and less popular charter school that accommodates certain students. I know him because he's my friend's cousin, and it didn't take long to know his character. He is slow; he always needs clarification and accommodations to the instructions you give him. I felt for sure I could beat him in the debate competition, but he actually had--and this really does pain me to say this--greater points to counter mine. They were so deep and logical. After losing to a guy who often "doesn't get it" and will be a seventeen-year-old sophomore in a tiny charter school, I realized I didn't have what it takes for debate team after all. I always thought I was so smart, but it looks like I'm stupid, huh?
I mean if you describe his school environment to be more advantageous and accommodating than yours then you should definitely see that as a plus for you. As it seems for him, he wasn’t able to put much effort into mastering his debate skills and had a higher likelihood of success in debate tourneys because of adequate third party assistance, it would be obvious and sound to say that you are the more competent one. Keep pushing my dude 💪 you’re already well self-aware.
@@positivefraud3012 No, his school isn't more advantageous. I meant it's much smaller (at least 10 people graduating and approximately 15-20 students per grade) while my school has way more graders and graduates. And I hear his school is an easier learning environment. As far as I know, they make classes and assignments simpler. Smarter people don't need that school, when they can rise to an academic challenge and be in my town's public high school (that's one reason I can't believe I lost to this guy). I'm surprised his school even has a debate team; that and cross country running is it. My school has way more teams. As for this particular student, I don't know his backstory or methods to gain debate skills. But that's not the point; the point is, he just doesn't grasp information and instructions as quickly as anyone could. He is SLOW. I can totally see him scratching the top of his head with a finger while saying, "I don't get it." I'll admit I don't know what his grades are, but he once told me he had to switch out of his chemistry class to take his own simpler assignments to Special Ed. Yeah, that sounds about right. And that's why I'm horrified I lost to THIS guy in a debate. Debate teams are intellectual challenges for deep thinkers who got the brains to counter different brains. I CAN'T lose to a guy who's in a tiny charter school, slow at grasping in general, switched to Special Ed for chemistry (a class that is so easy, by the way), and is graduating at age TWENTY. That's just...ridiculous! So I gotta ask, does my losing to him in particular make me stupid?
I beg to differ, you lost fair and square it doesn’t mean your less smart , it only shows there is still room for you to grow and the thing about debate is, much like the law who has better points goes a long way than who is right or wrong, you just self examine yourself in the most fair way possible, only smart people can be smart enough to admit when they didn’t cut it. I can not convince you enough of your own brain power. It would be nice for you to go up against him again
Preparation prior to the debate levels the playing field. A person who isn't "smart" (i.e. quick witted, thinking "on his feet") can outperform a smart debater simply by preparing more in advance. If you are losing debates, you may not be carding enough evidence, writing enough briefs and especially writing and rehearsing blocks. You should be pre-preparing cross-ex trees. Pre-formulating and practicing arguments, counter-arguments and counter-counter-arguments (blocks) until they flow off your tongue with ease. "Smart" = realizing the amount of time for prep is "infinite" prior to the debate compared to the time allotted during the debate. Better prep prior to the debate reduces the mental overhead required during the debate, thus freeing your mind to focus on immediate tactics and overall debate strategy for the round. Hence, the better prepared you are, the "smarter" you will appear during the debate! Great debaters are always thinking about how to improve their debate performance outside the debate. Whether they are working out at the gym, playing a video game, running a cross-country race or reading a 19th century literary poem, they are focused on using that experience to be a better debater. They eat, sleep and drink debate. It permeates everything they do. They understand that there is always someone out there right now working harder at debate than they are and they do everything in their power to offset that disadvantage. They are never focused on "winning" in and of itself, rather they are concerned with demolishing each and every argument they encounter. They hunger and thirst for another argument to dismantle and crave learning and understanding in order to do just that. They understand the weaknesses in every argument they make better than their opponents. They understand that quitting is losing.
nah you just need to learn a bit more, lots of debaters were genuinely awful until junior or senior year
The pettiness
Yeah very petty
pay attention to people who are good in school
You know, the one on the affirmative looks like 'Wally' from 'Where's Wally?'
Where's Waldo?
oh my gosh you're right
today I took a cold bottle of water while at a Dragon Boat race the person is like 'that is for my team' "aren't you going to say thank you for your service?"
I watch this to fall asleep 😴
Loving this debate
Sebastian said the word finally so many times in his first rebuttal.
Rebuttal
: There are better, cheaper, and safer alternatives to the problems you brought up. Give people free housing on a six-month probation period where they have to have weekly counseling and apply for jobs. This creates jobs, reduces homelessness, and connects people to resources. This is paid for by the equivalent amount that would have been spent on long-term welfare. Make prostitution legal and taxable (Reno style) to remove pimps. Like, legalized marijuana, this will turn a crime into an economic boon for the state. Also, allow online escort sites (like Indeed but for sex workers) so there is a paper trail of who they were with... to remove Ted Bundys and abuse. Create temporary safe houses for people who are in a domestic abuse situation and have it funded by alumni who were saved through the program.
Although this might not solve the issue of people being reliant on their employers, which means employers still won’t be forced to raise salaries, because the housing thay the government would give will be such a standard of living decrease that it wouldn’t be too different to completely loosing ur income
this helps me not bee bored
i wish i could buy some dinner
hair also can interfere with active participation for some students
Yea the 1958 Lincoln Douglas debates
Sebastian Williams GIlmour Academy my oponent did not really address this
Seneca Nation UBI people who received it had to pay increases in community college tuition and books
Sebastian should have won the whole thing. He nailed it from the beginning. What a bummer.
he conceded that bad ppl will get a UBI and that kinda screwed him over
r u dumb
his first weak was super weak, he got destroyed in cross ex on both sides and all of his arguments were refuted. his values were also begter upheld by the neg. he definitely lost
they them theirs
can they just go away
Imagined being named Sky-Forest cool name tho
we need to not walk away from people holding up a cardboard sign by a freeway
the reality is many more young people want to attend community college and cannot afford community college
Wow
we should see in writing too we need essay competitions
the answer is no
That Asian dude tore that other dude apart
6:18 "Because human beings are only unique through our capacity to choose.."
Protip- Don't start a debate using a sweeping generalization littered with ambiguity.
Eh, high school tho lol
@MVP Ares I think "enslave" is the word you're looking for.
@@mta7444 you started out so level headed, too.
That's not hard to understand
Dude the first speakers argument was so weak and didn’t really achieve anything
I greed he should have called the other guy the first winner
there is someone stalking me taking way too much interest
i'm here because i'm writing a character who's in debate club and i wanted to get a feel for how it is... yeah, let's just say this wasn't a good video to click on the see what the average high school debate student is like.
It’s better to speak to someone who does debate, because the match is just a small part of their debating experience.
@@nushnush9065 yeah, that makes more sense. my school doesn't have a debate club tho, and I don't know many people from other schools, so that may be kind of difficult. I guess I could find some random person online
@@sydneyloo5866 I Could have helped you but unfortunately I play on a different format.
@@nushnush9065 a different format? are there different types of debate clubs?
@@sydneyloo5866 yeah. There's Lincoln Douglas, public forum, British parliamentary, Asian parliamentary (I primarily debate with this format), etc etc.
18:51
then we need to stop making some items in CHina that those people are putting on to seem more appealing
would they buy soda or junk food
hairfarming is problem in many schools actually
sebastian kicks butt. the passive aggressiveness is awesome
but im really happy Isaiah won! congratulations that was amazing.
Sebastian dropped Isaiah's entire case and responses. He never clearly justified why everyone should get a UBI. He DID say it would overall help society, but he didn't warrant it enough with lots of evidence.
voting age could be lowered to 15
This isn't real debate, this is reading an essay off a paper. If you think using uptight words like "contention" and long, complex sentence structure is going to appeal to the average citizen (you know, the people who will actually be listening to you), you're delusional.
You two both seemingly understand nothing about speech or debate. They aren’t actually trying to convince everyone only the crowd and judges. Throwing in common slang ruins the entire concept of a formal debate. The use of these so called “uptight” words reflect the speakers vocabulary. They don’t have to aim for understanding from everyone. Only from their judges and peers who should also be prepared to use these “uptight” words to make their statement sound more professional and educated. Maybe if you listen closely you’ll be able to one day educate yourselves enough to understand what they are saying. This is a formal debate. Your idea of debate must be drunken screaming.
It’s a formal debate, the main point isn’t necessarily to win. It’s fundamentally meant to be a real debate, not a contest where you can show you’re the winner.
its this thing called a "card" which is a piece of evidence or a blob of words explaining or proving your point. If you change the card from its original state that can get you disqualified for violating evidence ethics. Also this isn't meant to "appeal" to the average citizen. Its meant to an exchange of ideas and arguments.
@Charlene Amee most of these people don't
The first speech was prewritten, the rest wasn’t... that’s how competitive debate works.
today there are fewer boring people because my phone is not on
more entrenched in society
child abuse is not only something affecting poor kids even i see questionable maybe human trafficking in Boston and Providence based on what clothes people wear in public
this person's debate style is odd and showing a lack of concern this william kid seems more motivated by money or acting role as an unconcerned
social safety net how about better housing optins
why billionaires
I actually felt quite strongly that pro had this one. I think his rebuttals of his opponent's case were compelling, logical, and evidence based while the con side lacked the same quality of rebuttal. I was surprised to find out that con had won. If anyone understands that decision better than I do I would love an explanation lol
he sounded better vocalities
It honestly depends on the judge’s paradigm
why is there some kind of exaulted status amongst these two students
go ahead bring the inflation that will really bee funny
some people like poverty and ain't lazy unlike some people
too much hair causes hate
maybe we need more talk shows more debates and we need more time before we grow up if we have grown up we can bee regenerative and reverse aging reverse some memes
Hormel Puree a horrible food product
the people being abused have more experience being abused and we need safer housing than housing interdispersed with dangerous people
Libertarianism? Anyone?
Boo
@@alexanderschott
Social PrintMoneyMocracy?
Hey, if the libertarian party can put up a more commercial canidate than gaff machine Johnson or Daryl the sputtering clown Perry is vote for them
the strange person bothered me and now i need to recharge however there could be weirdos outside taking too much interest in me
are you a urologist?
I think Neg kinda wasted his CX
Universal income 😂😂 what a joke
It’s not a bad idea
It's all fun and games until inflation
nice
lol im falling asleep
im only here cuz schoolness
imagine doing debate
hi RiceCrispy imagine judging people for doing debate
MarcusPlier11 imagine being gay and doing debate
hi RiceCrispy Why are you watching it then lol?
Hawkeye had to for my speech class
Hawkeye debates gay
theres alot of males usually looking for younger females
#paik4pres
cheese is like 78, dont debate, just aqi 74, 818 lol, rings, and pizza hut
Happy hat thursday
no UBI to serious criminals
i am not interested in this person
Jesus Christ loves everyone and be safe 😊
this is what is compared around the world by satellite imaging we already know the truth
I love how LD is like zero empirics
bahah that is not true, natcir debate is empirically based
hi