Excellent video. Clear and concise, interesting and informative. I got just one question: "Can a speaker driver work without a permanent magnet?" You see, you did get asked that question, after all! Hahaha.
You could try to connect the inner electro-magnet to the opposite poles of the voice coil in a hum-bucking setup so the amplifier drives both coils in opposite polarity. This may be more efficient and effective since the electro-magnets would push and pull eachother.
@@Sorin_DIY So the idea set me off on a path to look into this and they exist and are called Electrodynamic Speakers. Most are very old but some high-end companies still make them.
@@George.___thank youu I was always wondering if that was a thing since I also thought it would use the energy more efficient but never knew for what to search
radios in the 1930s were made with electromagnets, the electromagnets were part of the power supply and acted as a "choke" in part of the high(ish) volt supply. They used about 50-100 mA but had thousands of turns. Congratulations you re-discovered something from 90 years ago!
Oh yes ... I’m going to wind this coil by hand as it wold take too long trying to use faster methods ... LOL ... I know that experience all too well. 😀. keep up the great work 😀👍
Just connect ends of vibrator coil and stator coil ,that wouldn't require a seperate power supply ,also help in reduce heating of stator coil due to ac current flowing in it
great video! ive always wanted to make my own speaker and this is a good starting point.. as a suggestion for non-magnetic speaker, how about a plasma speaker?
Put a heat sink and thermal paste to the electromagnet, years ago I had almost the same idea but lack of materials and budget is always my great enemy, it took me 2 years to make my stun gun and almost same amount of time to my workbench power supply after that it has been 3 years now and i have not completed my gauss rifle
Did you check the material of those washers? I think the magnetic saturation and the permeability may not be very high, which makes the magnetic field less powerful. Of course, better materials may be hard to find.
Also, the suspension could be a little tight, if it's only the material that has to stretch. You could probably get better bass with a suspension of which shape also stretches, not only the material. I know you probably intended to make this just as a test. But I wanted to share a little knowledge if there's someone who's interested in going further with this design. Thank you for the good video! 😃
Hi. in this video I only wanted to test this theory, so I built a simple speaker driver. in an older video I built a much better speaker driver that sounds pretty good. this speaker suspension will work for medium range drivers. these washers may not be the best material for an electromagnet, but this is what I could find. the coil is very important and also the position of the coil, to concentrate the magnetic field where is needed.
It will work, but the sound will be weak. the electromagnet needs a high current to create a strong magnetic field, the amplifier is not powerful enough.
I figured a way to do it with no magnet or coil or any power source. I think if I put a coil on it that it would just melt.. so I substituted the coil for spinning plasma. Maybe you would like to help me out on my project. I'm going to build it very soon. I designed a couple of speakers made of granite and I mount them facing in opposite directions but sharing the same center. It should make a doughnut around it and levitate. I have all the parts designed. It's a thermoacoustic device.. using sound to make heat and sound to spin heat in a doughnut where it condenses into water that gets vibrated apart into hydrogen and thermally heated into plasma and spun in the same doughnut. I'm more of a mechanical person... some help or advice with the speaker part would be appreciated. I will figure it out eventually once I build it if I need to put an electromagnet on it. It's an ac device using water with no fuse and so the amperage could go quite high....I could put a magnet and coil on it but that would be too easy.... my idea is that it may not need it... for sure it doesn't need any wires because the sound is coming to it wirelessly....old school way with a wireless microphone. I eliminated the need for wires and an amplifier by using a 454 lb xylophone key as a microphone and having it rest on the edge of the disks... transferring the vibrations it picks up directly to the disks...It makes it wireless. The disks in turn take the sound and blast it into the underside of the xylophone key in a feedback loop. The sound created inside spins everything in a doughnut.. and all the cold air gets sucked though the center hole of the disks in a continuous doughnut... the spinning plasma becomes the coil and the current conducting through the granite disks creates the vibrating magnetic field.... and so I think I eliminated both. Come to think of it .. the galaxy is the same thing.. spinning plasma and no permanent magnet or coil.....
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Very early speakers and headphones used an electromagnet driven by the amplifier to move a metal diaphragm, I had a speaker for a short time that worked that way. Super inefficient though.
The main thing this speaker is missing is a good *magnetic return path.* As shown, the return path is long and through air... very bad for performance.
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Reminds me of how old fashioned speakers were made, before permanent magnets were really a thing for consumers
Man, this video is great with a lot of information, funny humour and electronics. I love it please keep up the good work.
Nice project! Just a note, impedance is usually measured at 1kHz and not DC
You've done all I needed to try ... Very good job .. loved your trials
Excellent video. Clear and concise, interesting and informative. I got just one question: "Can a speaker driver work without a permanent magnet?"
You see, you did get asked that question, after all! Hahaha.
I never thought this was possible, you did the impossible, nice.
You could try to connect the inner electro-magnet to the opposite poles of the voice coil in a hum-bucking setup so the amplifier drives both coils in opposite polarity. This may be more efficient and effective since the electro-magnets would push and pull eachother.
I tried it and it sounds very weak, probably because the electromagnet is weak. it needs a better coil.
@@Sorin_DIY So the idea set me off on a path to look into this and they exist and are called Electrodynamic Speakers. Most are very old but some high-end companies still make them.
@@George.___thank youu I was always wondering if that was a thing since I also thought it would use the energy more efficient but never knew for what to search
@@Sorin_DIY Have you tried both polarities? I imagine only one would work or produce any meaningful sound for that matter…
@@Sorin_DIY I found a video with this exact principle in action!
m.ruclips.net/video/_AtZOcq6EqY/видео.html
great work, sounds beter then all my speakers i ever build
radios in the 1930s were made with electromagnets, the electromagnets were part of the power supply and acted as a "choke" in part of the high(ish) volt supply. They used about 50-100 mA but had thousands of turns. Congratulations you re-discovered something from 90 years ago!
Hello Sorin, you are the best !! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Very cool, make more loudspeaker videos, maybe even some that I can use on a daily basis, I think it would be really cool
Oh yes ... I’m going to wind this coil by hand as it wold take too long trying to use faster methods ... LOL ... I know that experience all too well. 😀. keep up the great work 😀👍
Just connect ends of vibrator coil and stator coil ,that wouldn't require a seperate power supply ,also help in reduce heating of stator coil due to ac current flowing in it
great video! ive always wanted to make my own speaker and this is a good starting point.. as a suggestion for non-magnetic speaker, how about a plasma speaker?
Nicely explained as always. Best wishes
Thank you - but i was hoping to find a no-magnet solution (even without an electromagent) - just two opposite leightweight coils
1:54 killed me 😂😂😂
i find your videos enjoyable to watch , nice editing , etc. Keep it tot asa =))
Will it be better if we use the same audio to feed the magnet instead of DC current or on top of that?
No, it sounds better with the audio signal in the voice coil.
@@Sorin_DIY
Well, coils like AC more than DC and also that's one of the advanages of using dynamic magnet.
Another great video!
Heres a little fun fact:
A voice coil is basicly a ElectroMagnet!
(But just modified so that it can vibrate the speaker cone)
I always wanted to do the exact thing you did
Thanks!
Put a heat sink and thermal paste to the electromagnet, years ago I had almost the same idea but lack of materials and budget is always my great enemy, it took me 2 years to make my stun gun and almost same amount of time to my workbench power supply after that it has been 3 years now and i have not completed my gauss rifle
I was hoping to see an attempt at powering the electromagnet with another audio amp as some bonus footage.
A fild coil speaker, very coool!!!
Great ideea!
anyone with a brain would instant know
yes
there is a thing called electromagnet
and heck, there is also something called piezoelectric speaker
Excellent vid.
Did you check the material of those washers? I think the magnetic saturation and the permeability may not be very high, which makes the magnetic field less powerful. Of course, better materials may be hard to find.
Also, the suspension could be a little tight, if it's only the material that has to stretch. You could probably get better bass with a suspension of which shape also stretches, not only the material.
I know you probably intended to make this just as a test. But I wanted to share a little knowledge if there's someone who's interested in going further with this design. Thank you for the good video! 😃
Hi. in this video I only wanted to test this theory, so I built a simple speaker driver. in an older video I built a much better speaker driver that sounds pretty good. this speaker suspension will work for medium range drivers. these washers may not be the best material for an electromagnet, but this is what I could find. the coil is very important and also the position of the coil, to concentrate the magnetic field where is needed.
@@Sorin_DIY fun facts about your speaker that you made, that exactly how vintage speakers where made before permanent magnet was invented ngl no cap
Great power with great responsibility😂😂
Throw it in an enclosure tuned to closer to the mid range bandpass.
Connect positive to negetive and the same for other 2 terminals and then connect them to 1 amp it will be stronger
See, why DC why don't you hook the electromegnt to the same lines as the voice coil ?!
It will work, but the sound will be weak. the electromagnet needs a high current to create a strong magnetic field, the amplifier is not powerful enough.
@@Sorin_DIY ok thanks I didn't know it, but in hind-sight it's quite obvious, that the sound will be weak
nice.now i make speaker without magnet cool
Long time no see your video Sorin😁
i have driver without magnet and it has impedence of 8 ohms it works well and only produces trebles or highs
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I figured a way to do it with no magnet or coil or any power source. I think if I put a coil on it that it would just melt.. so I substituted the coil for spinning plasma. Maybe you would like to help me out on my project. I'm going to build it very soon. I designed a couple of speakers made of granite and I mount them facing in opposite directions but sharing the same center. It should make a doughnut around it and levitate. I have all the parts designed. It's a thermoacoustic device.. using sound to make heat and sound to spin heat in a doughnut where it condenses into water that gets vibrated apart into hydrogen and thermally heated into plasma and spun in the same doughnut. I'm more of a mechanical person... some help or advice with the speaker part would be appreciated. I will figure it out eventually once I build it if I need to put an electromagnet on it. It's an ac device using water with no fuse and so the amperage could go quite high....I could put a magnet and coil on it but that would be too easy.... my idea is that it may not need it... for sure it doesn't need any wires because the sound is coming to it wirelessly....old school way with a wireless microphone. I eliminated the need for wires and an amplifier by using a 454 lb xylophone key as a microphone and having it rest on the edge of the disks... transferring the vibrations it picks up directly to the disks...It makes it wireless. The disks in turn take the sound and blast it into the underside of the xylophone key in a feedback loop. The sound created inside spins everything in a doughnut.. and all the cold air gets sucked though the center hole of the disks in a continuous doughnut... the spinning plasma becomes the coil and the current conducting through the granite disks creates the vibrating magnetic field.... and so I think I eliminated both. Come to think of it .. the galaxy is the same thing.. spinning plasma and no permanent magnet or coil.....
What happens when you have two voice coils, one inside the other, driven from opposite polarity signals?
it will create sound, but very weak. a permanent or eletro-magnet will create a much stronger magnetic field.
Hi I love your video.
Aye same yen9
bro
will the speaker work if the magnet coil and the voice coil are connected in series ????
(without using bench power supply)
if you connect the coils in opposite polarity, the speaker will work, but very weak and very distorted. it's not usable.
What if you powered the electro magnet with the audio signal passed through a rectifier? Would it work?
it will probably work, but the sound will be very weak, unusable.
Attach it to a piece of glass on the front, should sound better.
Next step, put it in a box. I’ll bet it sounds even better.
Hi Sorin, Sir, u e awesome as always, im still learning a lot from ur vlogs, plz keep doint it, u r bless for noob nerd like me 😁.
Could u build a solar power station, portable, for a solo off-grid stealthpacker like me. Teach me the simpler way, i believe so many people like me need it.
Big Thanks
Very early speakers and headphones used an electromagnet driven by the amplifier to move a metal diaphragm, I had a speaker for a short time that worked that way. Super inefficient though.
They would also use the speaker coil as part of the DC power supply filter.
@@stevebabiak6997 Yep, a 3rd for a choke.
Building it into a Styrofoam box should've made a fairly decent speaker.
bro can you make a Emergency Flaslight torch that is powerful to lit up a standard room of 10mx10m i mean a small Flaslight without fan
Yes, I plan to make something like that in the future.
@@Sorin_DIY ok brother thank you very much
👍
The main thing this speaker is missing is a good *magnetic return path.* As shown, the return path is long and through air... very bad for performance.
A speaker can work without permanent magnet for example my Fertin LB12 EX with an exiting coil and his power supply DC
use a drill on slow speed to wind the coil
way too many ransformers references lol, Optimus Prime would be proud, Megatron would replace Starscream with you
Or piezoelectric speakers (crapy but can do the job).
I suggest you to buy a 20$ oscilloscope kit. it will be very useful and you can upgrade to a bigger one when u have the money for it.
can you make a Bluetooth headphones from scratch pls?
Cool idea, but it doesnt worth it i think
It would be better if you made both coils the same resistance and conected them in reverse of each other
oc its well worth it, its Rough ready & works... now You go & make it work better now you know how.
I don’t think that would work because both coil fields would change at the same time so it either always push away or attract
So, what if all permanent magnets stop halfway through the video? What then?
Interesting
This is old tech nothing new...
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Most speakers sound like crap so this might be better and you wouldn't know.
Hmmm...if you used two coils that repulse each other...just a stab in the dark here
if you connect the coils in opposite polarity, the speaker will work, but very weak and very distorted. it's not usable.
@@Sorin_DIY I see. Thanks,man
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I'm 3rd
Sir please you can hindi speaking