on very low performance, single core systems with very small amounts of memory, such as antique PCs, Pale Moon cross compiled without SSE2/SSE instructions is absolutely unbeatable, there is no other secure, maintained browser compatible with modern web features that can run on such systems without completely locking up. It sits at 35% CPU usage with 2 tabs open to light websites under a minimal sysvinit debian on a pentium III 500 with 384MB ram. all other browsers are blown out of the water by this it's no comparison
A+ as always. Fast and thorough. I've run them all too. Now it's Brave default and Librewolf as second. Until ? With a 200 mb connection I don't see browser speed as an issue either. Back in DSL(2-3-4 mb) ol Bravo was seemingly a bit quicker.
I wish you talked about Vivaldi, it's the best for me but it's not completely open source no one even came close to performance, customization and appearance wise.
I think you're way off with you're assumption that most Linux users use Chromium instead of Google Chrome - way off. I'm sure browser market share in Linux is not much different to what it is on MacOS or Windows. As a web dev, I don't even bother doing anything more than minor optimization for FireFox anymore. To this day they still don't have support for backdrop-filter().
Right? When I switched my parents to Manjaro, there was no reason not to continue using Chrome. It was familiar to them and was obviously more convenient. It all depends on your purpose of using Linux. For them, it's not privacy, it's not having to deal with flaky Windows driver support on ten year old hardware.
strange that you included 2 blink engines and 1 gecko engine, and not included a single webkit engine like konqueror, epiphany or midori. Really only 3 engines left (although 2 are cousins, they still are different engines). pls include gecko, webkit and blink in next test. thx
For browser, currently I am looking for the most lightweight one because I'm running on an old PC. Firefox while runs good, consumes a lot. Librewolf is only slightly better
From what I could find, chrome has a even higher marketshare on linux than it has globally, though chromium's share is higher than normal on linux (able to get in the top 10, which it isn't normally)
Do some unpopular browsers. ❤️ I'm glad chrome won cuz I'm using this shit. But I like Firefox too and it has a few more customization options which is cool.
Of course chromium and edge have similar benchmarks, they both use Blink as their browser engine. Blink is Google's web engine, which they forked from Webkit (Apple's web engine used in Safari) which was forked from KHTML (used in the Konqueror browser in the KDE Linux desktop enviroment). Before using Google's Blink engine, Microsofts browsers used Microsoft's own engine (Trident). FireFox has always used the Gecko engine (It looked like Mozilla were going to replace Gecko with Servo, a new engine developed in Rust, but Mozilla ran out of money and couldn't afford to continue development on Servo)
Its not *just* that. blink is a rendering engine while V8 javascript engine (imo matters more although it is used inside of blink). Engines aside they all are just chromium + theme. Brave is basically chromium + custom config and theme. They all really are the same shiet
it’s sad to know ff is the slowest among these, but I’ll keep using it, as I don’t want the web browser market to be only chromium reskins. the more competition the better
@@guyperson6567 it’s not a choice just to say you don’t use a chromium reskin it’s to support the possibility that some other browser may compete. If ff dies at this point google has the total opportunity to tool the internet to only work in a reasonable sense on chrome.
@@comicsans1689 waterfox got only funded by system1 and the guy is still free to do whatever he wants. but i aint stopping anyone from making up conspiracy theories that they're forcing some tracking glowieware to be added into waterfox.
Even with ff being slow, it's not noticeable. I would still choose ff just because it's not chrome and chromium, and Google has already shown they are willing to use their dominancy to break web standards.
@@yourfellowhumanbeing2323 how so? Executing javascript happens after downloading it fully anyways right? So downloading it slowly and then adding 40 extra ms shouldn't be as noticeable? I am speaking as someone with fibre so if I am wrong or missing something please correct me.
Okay so I have a problem with firefox when I type really fast on some typing websites, it becomes laggy. But when I test on chromium it doesn't laggy at all.
I just can't deal with how slow, and crashy firefox is. Any time I use it I end up having it crash constantly. Though I do tend to have a looooot of tabs open, chromium browsers handle it like a champ, Firefox completely fails.
@@pawepiat6170 I meant for the extreme cases, I use fibre at home, but in the place where I am right now, the internet here is very unstable. Else there is no problem lol. I have to use this internet for 5 more months 😢
Opera started out of Norway, and might still be developed by Norwegerinos. I think the Chinese own most of the stock, though. Also, it's Chromium-based now, like almost everything.
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Yea, Firefox is quite slow, but I still prefer to use it. FF has far superior customization options when compared to Chromium. Imo there's only 2 browsers available to Linux: FF & Chromium. Edge and all the others are just chromium clones.
...Safari runs on Wine because it used to be a Windows executable and Apple compiled it for Windows a very long time ago, alike QuickTime and iTunes for Windows. What you would get for Safari is just a really ancient version on Linux and it would not compare to the modern macOS version.
Turns out the general crowd doesn't really know how to file bug reports. Probably explains why non-Linux OSes have so many bugs and security flaws. I would bet Linux bugs get fixed quicker too.
Edge is pretty good on Linux, and its has its own merits over vanilla chromium, but Firefox as default in most distros is still the way to go (at least when is not a snap...), the irony is that Firefox on Linux is becoming Internet Explorer
Thanks for the comparison Outlaw. Microsoft Edge being the best browser by a mile really took me by surprise, but your glowing review of it was all I needed to switch over me and all my family to Microsoft products!
There is a difference between the Firefox performance and how it is compiled! While on Debian Firefox got abou 78 in jetstream in my laptop, when I compiled it on Gentoo, I got 110+
@@superslimanoniem4712 probably because of my compiled version being specifically made for my CPUs architecture. Also, I pass some extra flags through clang to llvm in order to explore some newer features that haven’t been made standard like the attributor pass and function specialization/ hot cold splitting .
For me, performance really isn't a concern because I know my internet speed is the limit. My biggest concern is who has the best add and tracker blocking by default. For me that is Brave, zero hassle and ready to go.
I dont know why the smart guys in github ,make a perfect fork with chromium ? Straight stripped down version of chrome and edge!! I am fed up with the unnecessary bloats they fill in the browsers. Just opening a 6 tabs takes up half of my ram. All we need is a stripped down ,minimal , hardware acceleration supported no nonsense basic browser. I am yet to see one....
That pretty much is what chromium is. It's pretty much running the minimum needed for modern web standards. Now if you don't mind webpages being broken you could probably get it super light. But most of that ram usage is down to the v8 engine it takes a bit of resources to run a language interpreter for each page, then you have a lot of web devs that just don't care about how light weight their pages are and it just kind of compounds.
@@ChaosTherum i know chromium is the bearbone of the big guys. But,chromium still is heavy for my used case scenario. I primarily use couple of websites about 8 hours a day for my job. I never wanted to use a full blown browser to use in those couple of particular websites. For general uses , i can take any browser...be that chrome or edge.
Because there are 30 million lines of C++ code, in chromium. To put in perspective typical Mark Twain's book is 385K lines, that would make it only a small fraction of all that code. Now it's not just some text we're talking about here, but a precisely fragile and utterly complicated piece of craft which is badly designed and 99.99% of people in this world will never be able to understand it all.
I understand why you didn't use Google Chrome, but I would have liked to see the results. It could show people if there is a difference between chromium and chrome
I had to switch to it since firefox kept getting worse with every update. Firefox even wiped my browser profile after a crash once. The only thing that sucks in any chromium based browser, at least for me, is crappy wayland support. Firefox worked perfectly on wayland, while ungoogled chromium has some minor graphical glitches when ozone is enabled for native wayland support. Really pleased with it otherwise.
the reason I started using brave was because Firefoxs slowness was getting to much for me. however in the tests I've done just refreshing pages to see which browser reloads faster it was still better than edge, so interesting results
The reason I choose chromium over firefox is that it just loads quicker. I don‘t really feel a difference on my gaming machine since it has new hardware, but on my x200s thinkpad with a core 2 duo, I can definitely feel the difference (firefox starting on average 2 seconds later than chromium) which is a damn shame, since I would love to use firefox, but when it takes like 5-8 seconds sometimes to load, it‘s not worth it for me.. :(
@@ananamusly already did all those things and it does not make firefox faster than chromium (at least for me), librebooting was the main reason I got the laptop, just a fun side project, but I love my x200
I can confirm that Firefox is worse with performance, because if you try to run any flash games, you'll never hit good framerates. I'll still use it though, because it also hogs up a lot less resources.
or web based emulators. although that may be not strictly javascript. i never got good framerates and there is always heavy sound crackling. no issues at all in chromium.
I was about to say something about Brave until I saw the end if the video. 0.05%, huh. I guess Brave is just more popular in tech-savvy circles for now; I thought it was more popular than that.
People who know the company politics of Mozilla also prefer Brave. They should've stayed apolitical instead of shilling to the left. Also you don't have to rice the shit out of Brave to make it work perfectly.
You really will though, with my usecase Firefox is borderline unusable it starts to chug at about 50-80 tabs I've never hit a limit on a chromium browser.
I was excited at first, but the small number of browsers here just don't give me any useful data. First off, no ones going to be running edge on Linux. At least not nearly enough to make it 1 of only 3 browsers you're testing. Vivaldi would've been more interesting there, as its a more propriotary chromium based browser I think you would be more likely to find. Also, Thorium should've been in here. While there's certainly reasons to be critical of it, it does claim to be the fastest browser, so in a benchmark of linux browsers for speed, its a very noticable omission. And I'd be kinda interestied in Chrome as well in comparison to Chromium. I think a couple of the default browsers would've been nice to see too. Things like Falkon, Gnome Web, etc.
The Firefox GUI is some much more usable to me compared to Chromium, and in daily usage I cant tell the diff in performance unless i wave like 20 tabs open lols
Would the benchmarks be different with degoogled chromium? It looked like you used the original google chrome Edit: I know It‘s the same engine. But I‘d love to know if the google bloat/ spyware makes a difference in performance
I was on a really low end laptop (2 core 1.6Ghz CPU and 4GB RAM) before getting a new one and I can confirm chromium was noticeably faster than firefox in day to day tasks and RUclips video playback on chromium was infinity better than firefox (both had hardware acceleration enabled, it's easier to enable on firefox but once you manage to enable it on chromium, it's just way way better)
so Microsoft copies a browser, adds some proprietary code, makes it a liiiiittle (practically nothing) slower than chromium... but hey, what do you know, some linux youtubers out there saying edge is "the best browser on linux"... this makes me understand A LOT. Also dude, the fact that when you mention edge for linux you laugh (unlike some other youtubers stepping over it as the most natural thing in the world) makes me understand that you still retain your sanity in this crazy world.
@@fitmotheyap it is, if it's a work laptop. There's finally no reason to install another browser if you're not using your own computer, so as far as I can tell, that means it's a pretty decent browser and by definition "the best" for many use cases. If you're on Linux though, yeah, it would be a bit weird to use Edge since the "decent browser is pre-installed" argument doesn't work in the same way with Firefox being so commonly included in distros.
@@awesomeferret I absolutely agree with you. So my point is, I really don't understand why some youtuber feels this "urge" to tell everyone how nice is Edge on linux. For the sake of...? Fairness? Information? For me it's lack of ethics.
@@rawmaterials3909 I think it's because it's is legitimately nice (come on now, it is) but it's not worth the tradeoffs to many people who are dedicated to Linux. It's not exactly redundant, but it has a similar effect. And no be honest, the the novelty of Microsoft bringing their browser to Linux is the reason why so many Linux RUclipsrs motion it. It's newsworthy, like it or not. If it gets the views, you can't really blame the creators.
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That's the reason i don't use Firefox, it's ironic that firefox works better on windows than linux, it's like they don't care about the few users that are keeping them alive. I a fairly powerful pc and i still feel than Firefox is slower, especially for graphical applications
As a super-potato laptop user I can confirm that loading my own HTML files is MUCH faster on firefox than on chromium. Also CSS based effects (animations; text changing color) are less choppy on it.
I remember when my pc got infected with a ransom, Edge automatically removed all my accounts and changed all my passwords, i don't know if i'm the only one who got to experience that
honestly seeing a memory usage metric and also any webkit representative would be nice in one video like this honestly I might do some testing like this some time in the future to see it's very insteresting
I’m looking at some Windows 10 benchmarks here, and FireFox isn’t this far behind at all there. Could this be a Mint thing? Maybe some more tests are needed.
Hey mental outlaw, have you ever heard of the MNT Reform laptop project? I think it would be a really cool project to cover on a video and I think it could use some more coverage in the FOSS community.
I'm curious how surf would perform here since it's so different. Not that I would use it but just to see how much a super-simplified browser helps with performance.
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on very low performance, single core systems with very small amounts of memory, such as antique PCs, Pale Moon cross compiled without SSE2/SSE instructions is absolutely unbeatable, there is no other secure, maintained browser compatible with modern web features that can run on such systems without completely locking up. It sits at 35% CPU usage with 2 tabs open to light websites under a minimal sysvinit debian on a pentium III 500 with 384MB ram. all other browsers are blown out of the water by this it's no comparison
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@@keeganb6216 Darude - Sandstorm
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But why care about performance on ancient PCs? It's 2021
@@NamNguyen-yh8we we may live in 2021 but some countries are still living 10+ years ago, So the people living there just cannot afford new stuff.
Firefox might be slow but it's not noticeable. It's not a speed race anymore in the browser wars. When I use chromium I use Vivaldi btw
Vivaldi is proprietary.
@@joshix833 so?
"not noticeable" ??? firefox is slow as hell
Installed edge browser on Linux yesterday 💪
Who would've thought you would make a vid 🤣
This comparison is too sane.
A+ as always. Fast and thorough. I've run them all too. Now it's Brave default and Librewolf as second. Until ? With a 200 mb connection I don't see browser speed as an issue either. Back in DSL(2-3-4 mb) ol Bravo was seemingly a bit quicker.
I wish you talked about Vivaldi, it's the best for me but it's not completely open source no one even came close to performance, customization and appearance wise.
My number one criteria for a web browser is extension availability.
Vivaldi, best browser I’ve ever tried
Maybe, just maybe, the Rust programming language used from firefox slows it down.
Wait Edge is on Linux? Wow Microsoft sure is showing their love for Linux.
I use Links btw
I'd suggest doing a long-form video contest. I've found that Chromium tends to kind of fall apart with videos.
I think you're way off with you're assumption that most Linux users use Chromium instead of Google Chrome - way off. I'm sure browser market share in Linux is not much different to what it is on MacOS or Windows. As a web dev, I don't even bother doing anything more than minor optimization for FireFox anymore. To this day they still don't have support for backdrop-filter().
Right? When I switched my parents to Manjaro, there was no reason not to continue using Chrome. It was familiar to them and was obviously more convenient. It all depends on your purpose of using Linux. For them, it's not privacy, it's not having to deal with flaky Windows driver support on ten year old hardware.
strange that you included 2 blink engines and 1 gecko engine, and not included a single webkit engine like konqueror, epiphany or midori. Really only 3 engines left (although 2 are cousins, they still are different engines). pls include gecko, webkit and blink in next test. thx
For browser, currently I am looking for the most lightweight one because I'm running on an old PC. Firefox while runs good, consumes a lot. Librewolf is only slightly better
it's usually firefox forks that run best on low powered devices and weird configurations, like iceweasel, icecat, waterfox and such.
From what I could find, chrome has a even higher marketshare on linux than it has globally, though chromium's share is higher than normal on linux (able to get in the top 10, which it isn't normally)
I['m pretty sure that the opera browser is chromium based, but very cool video
Do some unpopular browsers. ❤️ I'm glad chrome won cuz I'm using this shit. But I like Firefox too and it has a few more customization options which is cool.
Of course chromium and edge have similar benchmarks, they both use Blink as their browser engine. Blink is Google's web engine, which they forked from Webkit (Apple's web engine used in Safari) which was forked from KHTML (used in the Konqueror browser in the KDE Linux desktop enviroment).
Before using Google's Blink engine, Microsofts browsers used Microsoft's own engine (Trident).
FireFox has always used the Gecko engine (It looked like Mozilla were going to replace Gecko with Servo, a new engine developed in Rust, but Mozilla ran out of money and couldn't afford to continue development on Servo)
that last bit is unfortunate
@@Lacter12 Hey Puro :v
That's pretty cool, I didn't know all that.
@@Lacter12 no it's very fortunate if it was written in rust there's no doubt that trains people were in there making tons of shitty code
Its not *just* that. blink is a rendering engine while V8 javascript engine (imo matters more although it is used inside of blink). Engines aside they all are just chromium + theme. Brave is basically chromium + custom config and theme. They all really are the same shiet
it’s sad to know ff is the slowest among these, but I’ll keep using it, as I don’t want the web browser market to be only chromium reskins. the more competition the better
competition would imply the rival app attempting to be better, not just existing as the contrarian's choice
@@guyperson6567 it’s not a choice just to say you don’t use a chromium reskin it’s to support the possibility that some other browser may compete. If ff dies at this point google has the total opportunity to tool the internet to only work in a reasonable sense on chrome.
@@Trighhorn good let them die. ff is terrible
@@aws96314 ff is only terrible out of the box
@@batorerdyniev9805 I really hate how slow it is, and for the average users it's not worth it to go and play with settings
dont screw with us waterfox users
theres like two of us and we will get sad if you say anything bad
3.5
If Waterfox didn't sell out to an ad company, I would have kept using it.
@@comicsans1689 waterfox got only funded by system1 and the guy is still free to do whatever he wants.
but i aint stopping anyone from making up conspiracy theories that they're forcing some tracking glowieware to be added into waterfox.
More categories of Olympics would be nifty. Both the practical and the weird ones.
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You mean four eyed cat man, right?
@@mark35720 he means luke smiths deepfake
Even with ff being slow, it's not noticeable. I would still choose ff just because it's not chrome and chromium, and Google has already shown they are willing to use their dominancy to break web standards.
The slowness of ff only becomes noticeable for people with unstable network connection
@@yourfellowhumanbeing2323 how so? Executing javascript happens after downloading it fully anyways right? So downloading it slowly and then adding 40 extra ms shouldn't be as noticeable? I am speaking as someone with fibre so if I am wrong or missing something please correct me.
Okay so I have a problem with firefox when I type really fast on some typing websites, it becomes laggy. But when I test on chromium it doesn't laggy at all.
I just can't deal with how slow, and crashy firefox is. Any time I use it I end up having it crash constantly. Though I do tend to have a looooot of tabs open, chromium browsers handle it like a champ, Firefox completely fails.
@@pawepiat6170 I meant for the extreme cases, I use fibre at home, but in the place where I am right now, the internet here is very unstable. Else there is no problem lol. I have to use this internet for 5 more months 😢
Opera started out of Norway, and might still be developed by Norwegerinos. I think the Chinese own most of the stock, though. Also, it's Chromium-based now, like almost everything.
I think most of the dev team works at vivaldi now.
Yep pretty much all the old Opera devs went to Vivaldi. I wouldn't trust Opera these days.
Yep even Opera is Chromium now
@James that makes sense since Vivaldi looks more Opera like than Opera itself, all the cool experiments happen in Vivaldi now.
@@gnuMan I really wish Vivaldi would go open source, it looks really cool but it's proprietary :(
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@@singletona082 doubt it.
Way too unprofessional.
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Despite Firefox being slower in benchmarks and despite me loving chromium based browsers, I always feel like Firefox is snappier while browsing..
exactly that’s why i still use firefox over any chromium browser
I'd like to see how Yandex browser fares. Perhaps there's some based slavic technology that we aren't aware of.
Ye I'd like to see this as well,slavs always pull things outta nowhere
@@fitmotheyap
>inb4 cyberpunk 2077
@@Bagginsess shhh
cyberpunk was a mistake
@@fitmotheyap
>inb4 arma jank
>inb4 stalker jank
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It is OK comrade like AK, jank does not mean wont work, only that work is not pretty. Like mines, why are you not working comrade?
not gonna lie, yandex came out of nowhere, one second I have never heard of them and the very next theyre everywhere.
Finally someone who's charts are as visually disgusting as the ones I make.
Those are some A+ charts.
Installing a Microsoft browser on Linux just to be edgy.
Please don't kill me.
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Using bing on google chrome while using windows 11 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
@@kristiyanivanov7414 now
Edge has really good text to speech which I enjoy
smart guy for the please don't kill me
honestly good old firefox w/ privacy options enabled is unbeatable. best features, best overall support and open source.
And shit tons of customization opportunities with user css support.
The native screenshot is pretty neat!
Yea, Firefox is quite slow, but I still prefer to use it. FF has far superior customization options when compared to Chromium.
Imo there's only 2 browsers available to Linux: FF & Chromium. Edge and all the others are just chromium clones.
You also have gnome web, tbf
...Safari runs on Wine because it used to be a Windows executable and Apple compiled it for Windows a very long time ago, alike QuickTime and iTunes for Windows. What you would get for Safari is just a really ancient version on Linux and it would not compare to the modern macOS version.
Yeah.. probably not a good idea to use ancient browsers
I just like Firefox on linux. Idk why it just feels natural
Exept that Firefox works better on windows than linux 😂
Because it comes pre installed
@ not on arch
Despite making up only 2% of operating system users, Linux users make up 52% of bug reports.
Turns out the general crowd doesn't really know how to file bug reports. Probably explains why non-Linux OSes have so many bugs and security flaws. I would bet Linux bugs get fixed quicker too.
Edge is pretty good on Linux, and its has its own merits over vanilla chromium, but Firefox as default in most distros is still the way to go (at least when is not a snap...), the irony is that Firefox on Linux is becoming Internet Explorer
What are these merits? Am considering to change from brave to edge or chromium, but don't know yet.
at least Firefox Desktop is functional. the real new IE is definitely Safari.
or Firefox for Android (sad face)
@@guilhermerodovalho9988 Vertical tabs, Search in Sidebar, Sleeping tabs, Optimisation, downloads, etc.
Thanks for the comparison Outlaw. Microsoft Edge being the best browser by a mile really took me by surprise, but your glowing review of it was all I needed to switch over me and all my family to Microsoft products!
lmaoo.
He only uses librefox.
Make of that what you will.
@@Subuzgreatest Its a joke
Gold
There is a difference between the Firefox performance and how it is compiled! While on Debian Firefox got abou 78 in jetstream in my laptop, when I compiled it on Gentoo, I got 110+
And this is under llvm 12. I still haven’t managed to compile it under llvm 13 + PGO
Could it be an overhead thing?
@@superslimanoniem4712 probably because of my compiled version being specifically made for my CPUs architecture. Also, I pass some extra flags through clang to llvm in order to explore some newer features that haven’t been made standard like the attributor pass and function specialization/ hot cold splitting .
When a standard only has one implementation, those who control the implementation control the standard. We need more non-webkit browsers.
ungoogled chromium gang
Unsuprised. When was the last time FF actually competed with chrome based browsers in benchmarks?
i think about 3yo. ff made an update of their rendering engine and they crushed everybody
@@MrDadidou quantum my beloved :)
Epiphany (webkit) instead of Edge would have been more interesting
Brave is a pretty good compromise for me. Its fast and has pretty nice privacy features out of the box.
For me, performance really isn't a concern because I know my internet speed is the limit. My biggest concern is who has the best add and tracker blocking by default. For me that is Brave, zero hassle and ready to go.
Frank Hassle
I miss all the "advanced configurations" Opera used to have. Like forcing turbo all the time and loading thumbnails at 25% quality only XD
lol man
I loved opera turbo but i think you can do similar things with unlock origin
I dont know why the smart guys in github ,make a perfect fork with chromium ? Straight stripped down version of chrome and edge!! I am fed up with the unnecessary bloats they fill in the browsers. Just opening a 6 tabs takes up half of my ram. All we need is a stripped down ,minimal , hardware acceleration supported no nonsense basic browser. I am yet to see one....
That pretty much is what chromium is. It's pretty much running the minimum needed for modern web standards. Now if you don't mind webpages being broken you could probably get it super light. But most of that ram usage is down to the v8 engine it takes a bit of resources to run a language interpreter for each page, then you have a lot of web devs that just don't care about how light weight their pages are and it just kind of compounds.
@@ChaosTherum i know chromium is the bearbone of the big guys. But,chromium still is heavy for my used case scenario. I primarily use couple of websites about 8 hours a day for my job. I never wanted to use a full blown browser to use in those couple of particular websites. For general uses , i can take any browser...be that chrome or edge.
Because there are 30 million lines of C++ code, in chromium. To put in perspective typical Mark Twain's book is 385K lines, that would make it only a small fraction of all that code. Now it's not just some text we're talking about here, but a precisely fragile and utterly complicated piece of craft which is badly designed and 99.99% of people in this world will never be able to understand it all.
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I understand why you didn't use Google Chrome, but I would have liked to see the results. It could show people if there is a difference between chromium and chrome
Kenny, the true browser is clearly.
Edge. Microsoft bill based edition is the most fastest and private.
RIP mozilla. We live in a society
i use firefox developer edition but never use the developer tools
i use firefox nighlty. Because the logo got a cool color.
I use Librewolf and searx because simplicity and it just works
Firefox stable (with ublock origin)
My 1st question is always if ublock origin is supported.
It is on all of them
I ran these on Safari on an M1 Mac:
Kraken - 418.5ms
Ares6 - 11.74ms
Jetstream2 - 232.578
Speedometer - 271
WebXPRT3 - 295
Motionmark - 2002.80
damn son
holy, you just convinced me to get a m1
if this is the basic m1, imagine how much better m1 max would be
Yo my iPad Air 2 running motionmark on safari only get 81.80 lol
2002??
do you think someone will somehow fork edge and make an unmicrosofted-edge?
I saw something like edge business edition or something that had less trash put into it but yeah I think someone should do that
Ungoogled Chromium might be the move honestly
This
I had to switch to it since firefox kept getting worse with every update. Firefox even wiped my browser profile after a crash once. The only thing that sucks in any chromium based browser, at least for me, is crappy wayland support. Firefox worked perfectly on wayland, while ungoogled chromium has some minor graphical glitches when ozone is enabled for native wayland support. Really pleased with it otherwise.
if only it didn't take 1+ hour to compile.. Seriously why is this still a thing
@@jgsource552 Ye
Ever heard of Firedragon?
no Netscape? Cringe
the reason I started using brave was because Firefoxs slowness was getting to much for me. however in the tests I've done just refreshing pages to see which browser reloads faster it was still better than edge, so interesting results
I don't like to be a shill, but Edge is so awesome, it has an amazing 'Read Aloud' feature as well as vertical tabs
still, firefox has the best tabs
Chromium shell or not, you didn't include, Brave, Opera, Or Vivaldi. Most Linux daily drivers use either Firefox or Brave.
I will never leave FF, no matter what this test says.
Although I use plenty of other browsers too
The reason I choose chromium over firefox is that it just loads quicker. I don‘t really feel a difference on my gaming machine since it has new hardware, but on my x200s thinkpad with a core 2 duo, I can definitely feel the difference (firefox starting on average 2 seconds later than chromium) which is a damn shame, since I would love to use firefox, but when it takes like 5-8 seconds sometimes to load, it‘s not worth it for me.. :(
You should be able to run an ssd and upgrade the ram on that laptop. Also you are able to have the bios changed to libreboot. The X200 is great
@@ananamusly already did all those things and it does not make firefox faster than chromium (at least for me), librebooting was the main reason I got the laptop, just a fun side project, but I love my x200
Terminal browser users: my my my what are we talking about here?
You guys got terminals?
This comment made me try out a few, thank you
don't worry, they cant watch youtube videos
@@spagootest2185
Umm, about that...you do know that mpv has a terminal client that doesn't need a graphics server to play, right?
I can confirm that Firefox is worse with performance, because if you try to run any flash games, you'll never hit good framerates.
I'll still use it though, because it also hogs up a lot less resources.
or web based emulators. although that may be not strictly javascript. i never got good framerates and there is always heavy sound crackling. no issues at all in chromium.
brave browser
I was about to say something about Brave until I saw the end if the video. 0.05%, huh. I guess Brave is just more popular in tech-savvy circles for now; I thought it was more popular than that.
People who know the company politics of Mozilla also prefer Brave. They should've stayed apolitical instead of shilling to the left. Also you don't have to rice the shit out of Brave to make it work perfectly.
Oh my god, noooo, my firefox does suck? No way.
Man, you really won't see the difference between them in real scenario
You really will though, with my usecase Firefox is borderline unusable it starts to chug at about 50-80 tabs I've never hit a limit on a chromium browser.
I was excited at first, but the small number of browsers here just don't give me any useful data. First off, no ones going to be running edge on Linux. At least not nearly enough to make it 1 of only 3 browsers you're testing. Vivaldi would've been more interesting there, as its a more propriotary chromium based browser I think you would be more likely to find. Also, Thorium should've been in here. While there's certainly reasons to be critical of it, it does claim to be the fastest browser, so in a benchmark of linux browsers for speed, its a very noticable omission. And I'd be kinda interestied in Chrome as well in comparison to Chromium. I think a couple of the default browsers would've been nice to see too. Things like Falkon, Gnome Web, etc.
"...but which one is the fastest?" Ah, that excuses putting fucking Edge above Firefox in the thumbnail.
Speed doesn't care about your feelings
Because Firefox is trash at this point
The Firefox GUI is some much more usable to me compared to Chromium, and in daily usage I cant tell the diff in performance unless i wave like 20 tabs open lols
0:00 That's my thumbnail!
Edit: I didn't see this earlier, but thanks for the card link
Opera is a Norwegian based company that has been bought up by a Chinese investor
Open 100 tabs (with active sites) and then run these tests.
Chromium would really pull ahead at that point.
Would the benchmarks be different with degoogled chromium? It looked like you used the original google chrome
Edit:
I know It‘s the same engine. But I‘d love to know if the google bloat/ spyware makes a difference in performance
Waterfox is My Favorite. I think firefox limititarion is Due to the lack of Optimzation of Gecko but thats just a guess.
I was on a really low end laptop (2 core 1.6Ghz CPU and 4GB RAM) before getting a new one and I can confirm chromium was noticeably faster than firefox in day to day tasks and RUclips video playback on chromium was infinity better than firefox (both had hardware acceleration enabled, it's easier to enable on firefox but once you manage to enable it on chromium, it's just way way better)
Before watching this, I'm guessing it's a chromium browser with special additions for Linux users.
Firefox is reaping the benefits of diversity and inclusion.
Haha
How come you don't care about performance? Don't you have a zillion tabs open like us?
so Microsoft copies a browser, adds some proprietary code, makes it a liiiiittle (practically nothing) slower than chromium... but hey, what do you know, some linux youtubers out there saying edge is "the best browser on linux"... this makes me understand A LOT.
Also dude, the fact that when you mention edge for linux you laugh (unlike some other youtubers stepping over it as the most natural thing in the world) makes me understand that you still retain your sanity in this crazy world.
Yep
Finally,also it's not just on linux,some people really believe edge is the best on windows as well,it's nuts.(I am sadly a windows user)
Seriously though, everyone laughs when they hear Edge is on Linux, even if it doesn't make it to a video. It's friggin funny.
@@fitmotheyap it is, if it's a work laptop. There's finally no reason to install another browser if you're not using your own computer, so as far as I can tell, that means it's a pretty decent browser and by definition "the best" for many use cases. If you're on Linux though, yeah, it would be a bit weird to use Edge since the "decent browser is pre-installed" argument doesn't work in the same way with Firefox being so commonly included in distros.
@@awesomeferret I absolutely agree with you. So my point is, I really don't understand why some youtuber feels this "urge" to tell everyone how nice is Edge on linux. For the sake of...? Fairness? Information?
For me it's lack of ethics.
@@rawmaterials3909 I think it's because it's is legitimately nice (come on now, it is) but it's not worth the tradeoffs to many people who are dedicated to Linux. It's not exactly redundant, but it has a similar effect. And no be honest, the the novelty of Microsoft bringing their browser to Linux is the reason why so many Linux RUclipsrs motion it. It's newsworthy, like it or not. If it gets the views, you can't really blame the creators.
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That's the reason i don't use Firefox, it's ironic that firefox works better on windows than linux, it's like they don't care about the few users that are keeping them alive. I a fairly powerful pc and i still feel than Firefox is slower, especially for graphical applications
As a super-potato laptop user I can confirm that loading my own HTML files is MUCH faster on firefox than on chromium. Also CSS based effects (animations; text changing color) are less choppy on it.
No browser comes even close to Vivaldi when it comes to features, looks and customizability.
lol
I remember when my pc got infected with a ransom, Edge automatically removed all my accounts and changed all my passwords, i don't know if i'm the only one who got to experience that
Thats kinda sus though that it knows your passwords and accounts.
What about watt consumption ? Which one is the most efficient for e.g. laptops ?
honestly seeing a memory usage metric and also any webkit representative would be nice in one video like this
honestly I might do some testing like this some time in the future to see it's very insteresting
Edge doing worse in than Chromium just begs the question, what's the point of it
I’m looking at some Windows 10 benchmarks here, and FireFox isn’t this far behind at all there. Could this be a Mint thing? Maybe some more tests are needed.
You're a security guy, but them talk about running a 'Chinese browser'
I use Firefox for the aesthetic.
(I am “not” a furry.)
1) should be chrome, there's a difference between the open source chromium which edge forks, and chrome.
Hey mental outlaw, have you ever heard of the MNT Reform laptop project? I think it would be a really cool project to cover on a video and I think it could use some more coverage in the FOSS community.
I'm curious how surf would perform here since it's so different. Not that I would use it but just to see how much a super-simplified browser helps with performance.
i love how you put the results in the thumbnail
It would be interesting if you optimized browsers for your cpu with march mtune and at least O2
Please do!
Should have tested Opera instead of Edge.
Its bloated
It's Chinese spyware