Why Arthur Weasley vs. Lucius Malfoy Got CUT From "Chamber of Secrets"

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  • Опубликовано: 20 дек 2024

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  • @factorfantasyweekly
    @factorfantasyweekly  17 дней назад +10

    *Quick note:* I am well aware of the extended cut and the extra scenes which showcase some of these interactions (I believe I even mention it in the video). But, just like for the first movie, we will follow the theatrical cut for this series, and then at the very end as a bonus episode we'll dive into all the extended scenes. 👀 I am looking forward to it!

  • @ivantimofeev6580
    @ivantimofeev6580 19 дней назад +26

    There are three items in Borgin's shop that will be important later in HBP.
    1. The cursed necklace. Hermione saw it again in the 6th book. Draco tried to send the necklace to Dumbledore, but cursed Katie Bell instead.
    2. The Vanishing Cabinet. Harry was hiding inside it, but didn't close the door. It is definitely the Cabinet, because its pair in Hogwarts will be mentioned later in this book. It's gonna be broken, and that's why Draco will have to fix it four years later.
    3. The Hand of Glory. That withered hand that grabbed Harry - Draco will use it to light the way to Death Eaters after letting them inside the school.

    • @DreadKyller
      @DreadKyller 19 дней назад

      Yeah that scene had some serious setup for a later payoff.

  • @saeedshahbazian9889
    @saeedshahbazian9889 19 дней назад +29

    I think the cabinet is the vanishing cabinet from book 5 and 6. In the books, Harry is careful to keep the door ajar to see what's going on, so no vanishing

    • @reeceemms1643
      @reeceemms1643 19 дней назад +1

      At the time of the book release I don't think it was, it depends on how much was planned.

    • @stuartmcnaughton1495
      @stuartmcnaughton1495 19 дней назад +12

      @@reeceemms1643 It was planned. In Chamber of Secrets chapter 8, The Deathday Party, we get the first mention of the vanishing cabinet at Hogwarts. Harry was in Filch's office being disciplined for trailing mud into the school, when Nick saves him by persuading Peeves to knock over and break the cabinet on the floor above. Filch told Mrs. Norris "That vanishing cabinet was extremely valuable". It's not a coincidence that both of the paired cabinets were first mentioned in the same book.

    • @mikebrown1881
      @mikebrown1881 18 дней назад +4

      @@reeceemms1643it was planned, in the same scene Harry watches the cursed necklace Draco attempted to send to Dumbledore in book 6.

    • @arinerm1331
      @arinerm1331 13 дней назад +3

      @@stuartmcnaughton1495 The Vanishing Cabinet at Hogwarts is also the one into which Fred and George shoved Montague, the Slytherin Quidditch player, who was caught in limbo until at last he decided to try to Disapparate, resulting in Montague's stay in St. Mungo's.

    • @MHShah17
      @MHShah17 10 дней назад +1

      I think it's confirmed to be the opposite side_partner of tge same vanishing cabinet. It's not working so Harry doesn't get transported, but in the 6th Draco is fixing the partner in Hogwarts, once fixed, the path is reestablish and tge death eaters can use the one at Borgin an Burkes to enter Hogwarts. (I think tge first book mentions one of the players on tge Slytherin Quiditch team getting shoved into it by the twins, but after he's out, the connection is broken, and I don't remember if it's mentioned again until Harry's trying to hide snape's book in tge room of requirement before Draco fixing it allows the death eaters in.

  • @punchylarue4619
    @punchylarue4619 12 дней назад +4

    I always wanted more of Mr. Weasley. Hope they add more of this rivalry in the upcoming Max series

  • @dilsedesi1704
    @dilsedesi1704 16 дней назад +13

    Lucius and Arthur's fight also gives us idea why other weasley kids(exept Percy) are like that. We see so many instances in the books where they don't care to get their hands dirty if anyone insults their family (the famous ootp scene). It also makes me remember when Ron suggests Harry to punch Malfoy if he couldn't think of any hex during the supposed duel in the 1st book. But in the movies its shown as Arthur didn't say anything as he couldn't think of a comeback which is seriously not how Arthur Weasley is.

    • @zephodb
      @zephodb 4 дня назад

      Also it is supposed to show how 'older world' the Wizarding World is... in England in the 1990s if you were to get in to a brawl like that at a London shop... you're both going to the Police station, and ONE of you is going to Jail, at least in the over-night lockup once they decide who is at fault.
      In the Wizarding World, which is much more like the 1800s than the 1900s... Someone breaks it up, and tells them both to go soak their heads... no police getting involved. Again, that's just not how the 1990s London would work.

  • @BeteBlanc
    @BeteBlanc 17 дней назад +8

    I love the subtle mongoose vs snake rivalry between the families

    • @hukgonzo
      @hukgonzo 5 дней назад

      What mongoose? #curious

    • @BeteBlanc
      @BeteBlanc 5 дней назад +1

      @hukgonzo
      Mongoose kill snakes, even cobras (google). A weasel and a Mongoose look very similar. So it's thematically cool for Slytherins and Malfoys to hate Weaselys. And for Weaselys to always end up in the school house that has a traditional rivalry with the snake house. The books are full of subtle nods to things like this.

  • @TheWanderingFire
    @TheWanderingFire 19 дней назад +12

    Lockhart's requirement for his students to purchase his books for class strongly reminds me of one of my uni profs - ALL his books were required reading. 😂

    • @warnasamika
      @warnasamika 11 дней назад +1

      Abusing the power.

    • @aliostrowski1935
      @aliostrowski1935 11 дней назад

      And several of my proffesors just threw out the books as a whole
      I only had one proffesor who actually could have written his own book as he had a docrate

    • @stringsalive20
      @stringsalive20 9 дней назад +1

      A doctorate is not a requisite of publishing a book. (Speaking as someone with a doctorate, who is also a professor). It is odd that you’d only have one professor with a terminal degree in their field. I’ve published a bunch, and have some of my work in reference texts. That said, I haven’t published my own book; but that’s not exactly odd in my field.
      Also… your professor should feel that their work is the best option to teach from. If they didn’t think it was important enough to go through the work to research and publish, they wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) have done it.

    • @aliostrowski1935
      @aliostrowski1935 9 дней назад

      @stringsalive20 he just didn't think you could learn as much from books as you could doing what they were teaching
      Yeah most of my teachers had bachelor degrees it's illinois and all were actually very knowledgeable

  • @Mr_Timi1
    @Mr_Timi1 19 дней назад +11

    The scene in the book where Arthur and Lucius throw down, sort of mirrors how Harry and Draco's "duel" was described to Harry by Ron in Philosophers (Sorcerer's) Stone

  • @sonicfreak04
    @sonicfreak04 19 дней назад +7

    theres two deleted scenes where we meet Mr Borgin, infact one of the deleted scenes was the proper introduction of lucius which followed the book.

  • @ohemgee38
    @ohemgee38 19 дней назад +7

    They are allowed to do magic on the train. The end of this book mentions them using the last bit of their time being allowed to use magic, Hermione would have certainly gotten in trouble for doing magic in diagon alley.
    There are many instances where magic is used on the train rides: Hermione repairing a glass door, Draco and gang getting jinxed to oblivion on 2 separate occasions and Draco using petrificus totalis on Harry.

    • @Auron3991
      @Auron3991 3 дня назад

      The books did mention the method used for detecting is imprecise and imply it tends to be overlooked in areas a lot of magic is already expected. In the Chamber of Secrets, Harry got accused when Dobby used magic specifically because he was the only known magical being in the house. In Order of the Pheonix, Umbridge was almost certainly monitoring the Dementor attack.

  • @RiseeRee
    @RiseeRee 19 дней назад +6

    An interesting change in the movie is that Lucius says he will see Arthur at work, but they don’t work together in the book. Lucius is a school governor, but he doesn’t work for the Ministry of Magic.
    Also, I think that since the movies were geared towards kids, they removed most of the fist fights from the entire series to discourage trying to solve problems that way!

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield 19 дней назад +5

    Fun thought it would have been to see Arthur Weasley having a scrap with Lucius (and very much in keeping with the "rough lads" portrayal of James Potter's school year) I do love Mark Williams' delivery as he presents himself as the bigger man in that confrontation

  • @UnfazedPhoenix
    @UnfazedPhoenix 11 дней назад +1

    This is cool. Love seeing someone who actually read the books.

  • @Melly_6
    @Melly_6 19 дней назад +6

    I wish we could have seen Arthur throw hands in the movie ❤️

  • @DreadKyller
    @DreadKyller 19 дней назад +7

    While for the most part I can agree with your statements, but you are incorrect about magic on the train. It is allowed, the end of book 2 explicitly mentions them enjoying their last hours they're allowed to use magic on the train "Too soon it was time for the journey home on the Hogwarts Express. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred, George and Ginny got a compartment to themselves. They made the most of the last few hours in which they were allowed to do magic before the Holidays." And in later books a LOT of magic happens on the train, from Malfoy and his crew getting hit with tons of spells from the DA members, to Ginny's hex that got Slughorns' attention, and much, much more.
    Furthermore the trace doesn't tell the Ministry who performed the spell, this is the entire reason for the plotline with Harry's near expulsion due to Dobby. The Ministry becomes aware that magic was performed in the presence of an underage witch/wizard, but not who performed the magic, since Harry was known to be the only wizard in the general area they then assume it was him, in a place like Diagon Ally that would be going off all the time, there's a lot of magic going on all over the place there, so if a student was using magic there and it wasn't actually seen by others, the Ministry would not be any the wiser. This goes on to be a part of the overarching plotlines of the inequalities of students with magic families compared to muggleborns, as for example the Weasleys are able to do magic at home without any issues because the Ministry wouldn't be able to tell whether it was the kids or the parents who performed it, and to checkup on the family every time a spell was used would be a massive waste of time.

  • @dilsedesi1704
    @dilsedesi1704 19 дней назад +7

    In the extended version, we see borgin and burkes scene though slightly shortened.

    • @saeedshahbazian9889
      @saeedshahbazian9889 19 дней назад +1

      I was going to comment that. From what I remember, it's pretty much what happens in the book

  • @phosphorus4
    @phosphorus4 19 дней назад +3

    The Weasley’s practically ignoring Harry plays into chaotic large family tropes, where there are so many kids that no one is missed when they go missing. You already get a disorganized feeling from the burrow, which is littered with magical stuff strange to Harry; then add a family of seven-which, yeah, isn’t that big, but way more people than Harry’s used to as an only child-and you get one big…whirlwind of…something

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 18 дней назад +2

    Differences between the book and the movie used to really bug me. Then it hit me. The books and the movies are not the same story. They are alternate versions. Things that happen in the Harry Potter books have nothing whatsoever to do with things that happen in the movies.
    A classic example is the book and the movie 2001. These two were written together as a collaboration between Clarke and Kubrick. Originally the plan was to have USS Discovery travel to Saturn where they discover that the moon Iapetus was not a natural object, it was a stargate.
    At the time little was known about this tiny moon other than the fact it is half white and half black. There were some who thought Iapetus could not possible be a natural object (it is natural) and in the book it would be an alien artifact left by the same beings who left the monoliths.
    However, Kubrick could not properly depict the rings of Saturn in a way that would look good, and so he decided they would all go to Jupiter instead.
    In the forward to 2010, Clarke makes clear 2010 is a sequel of the movie, not the book.
    This was when I realized, the book and the movie are not the same story.

  • @Debatra.
    @Debatra. 19 дней назад +5

    This movie made me feel like they were going to set up a running gag of Hermione repairing Harry's glasses in every film, but then they just stopped doing it.

    • @madnessman1520
      @madnessman1520 7 дней назад

      I like the idea that hermione was always fixing harrys glasses even tho it seems like a pretty easy and very useful spell that harry should have been able to do himself lol

  • @coldun85
    @coldun85 19 дней назад +3

    Out of all the characters I
    love gilderoy lockhart as his character was so outrageous, he was almost a caricature of myself.

  • @kalegolas
    @kalegolas 19 дней назад +5

    Yes, harry hide in the same cabinet, it was good that he didn’t closed it completely. The cabinet at Hogwarts was not broken yet so if he did he had got to Hogwarts ”a bit” faster than he planned 😅 And a lot more confused. But some of the teachers lives at the castle full time so an equal confused professor had probably helped him back to (I base that on the fact that Trelawney and Hagrid does that, but of course Hagrid was not at home during that day. But I find it very unlikely that they are the only two who lives there full time).

  • @michaelodonnell824
    @michaelodonnell824 18 дней назад +1

    One element that you omitted that was key to understanding why Lucius Malfoy dropped Tom Riddle's diary in Ginny Weasley's cauldron is that the "Muggle Protection Act that is causing the Malfoys so many issues is authored by and being pushed by Arthur Weasley. Malfoy, not knowing what the Diary actually is, does know that it is from Voldemort and he wants to embarrass Arthur Weasley - hence his dumping the diary on Ginny...

  • @stuartmcnaughton1495
    @stuartmcnaughton1495 19 дней назад +5

    Hermione wouldn't have been caught using magic in a place full of wizards like Diagon Alley. The trace only shows that a spell has been cast in the vicinity. It doesn't identify who cast it.

  • @catholiccontriversy
    @catholiccontriversy 17 дней назад +1

    With how things were shot and edited, I agree with the movie making Lucius's first appearance being in the book store. In the deleted scene he just kind of calmly appears and acts friendly with a peer, whereas in the book store his cain comes down on Draco's shoulder and is very confrontational with Harry and the Weasleys. It's a much better character introduction in the context of the movie.

  • @connie40star
    @connie40star 17 дней назад

    In the movie"HARRY POTTER AND THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS" there is a bonus cut that has extras that weren't in the theatrical cut and one of the scenes showed where Harry is hidden in the cabinet (the one Draco mends in year 6) and you here all of the dialogue between Lucios and Borigin.

  • @tobydelk2922
    @tobydelk2922 15 дней назад +1

    I can see why it kind of got cut out. I mean it is funny and does get a few laughs especially even today by me. But at the same time, I think it would have slowed down the flow of a Chamber of Secrets. I mean there was a lot they had to cut out for the Chamber of Secrets movie and one of these moments was one of the best ones they could have cut out especially along with the Ghost Party.

  • @timnolan1802
    @timnolan1802 8 дней назад

    I've been reading the series since I have seen the movies a bunch of times, just so see what's different. Not only are there changes between books and movies, but there has also been some changes in the U.S. printed books versus those originally written in the U.K. (mostly due to the use of some slang terms that we Americans would likely not understand). I'm currently on Goblet of Fire, and enjoying the series. Am also thoroughly enjoying your synopsis of the differences.

  • @laceyregister8726
    @laceyregister8726 18 дней назад +1

    It would have served mister Malfoy right to get the snobbery punched out of him!!

    • @thecajunphoenix
      @thecajunphoenix 14 дней назад

      Arthur Weasley's not the only one to punch Lucius Malfoy in the face in the books.
      In "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix", Sirius Black III also gets to punch Malfoy in the face as well.
      Not that Malfoy can't hold his own with his fists as well.

  • @digitaladventurer2142
    @digitaladventurer2142 19 дней назад +1

    The big reason is they wanted to keep the movies more family friendly. They actually remove a few other physical fights from the movies for this same reason.

  • @UltimatePerfection
    @UltimatePerfection День назад

    15:14 While that's true, I doubt in a highly magical place such as Diagon Alley anyone would notice with everyone doing magic all over the place, nor would Trace be any kind of useful considering it only says that magic was used but doesn't say who did it. What are they going to do, arrest every student who was there to pick up books?

  • @insaneinnixa
    @insaneinnixa День назад

    There is no thinking it is the vanishing cabinet. It absolutely is the vanishing cabinet connected to the cabinet peeves smashed to distract filch. The say as much later in the books. Montage gets stuck in the broken cabinet in hogwarts. He could hear stuff from B&B that is what gave Draco the idea to fix the cabinet at hogwarts.

  • @jaykobanstaett1183
    @jaykobanstaett1183 18 дней назад

    12:23 This scene was filmed but it was cut from the theatrical version.

  • @dilsedesi1704
    @dilsedesi1704 16 дней назад +1

    They literally made Harry say lumos in 3rd movie in his house, and then talking to minister about underage magic. Where is the logic.
    But atleast these 2 instances can be backed up as on train and the diagon alley, its only wizards and witches(and parents of muggleborn), so its safe. Also Ministry can only trace the place and not the person due to which Harry got his first warning. And Fred and George say they do magic constantly in Burrow cause no one can trace.

  • @franky.378
    @franky.378 19 дней назад +1

    Wow, i just finished my hp marathon and now this 🎁👌

  • @iambadatnamingthings3547
    @iambadatnamingthings3547 19 дней назад

    1:54 got jumpscared by myself 😂💀

  • @michaelself801
    @michaelself801 12 дней назад

    That’s the twin vanishing cabinet to the one Fred and George sticks Montegue in it breaks while he’s in there and when they get him back the dump the broken cabinet in the room of banished items from the room of requirement

  • @jessehouse3187
    @jessehouse3187 2 дня назад

    I'm schizophrenic, I had this book read to me by an ex gf, it was after the movies had come out so I had material to drawn on I guess, but I totally schized the scenes from the book that were missing Back into my memory of the movie. I vividly recall the fight scene between Weasley and Malfoy as it broke out into the street as though id seen in the film,
    *I e of the best parts (yes there are good parts) of being Schizophrenic is reading... My experience when I read is beautiful. Reading when ur on the edge like that can also help bring u back safely

  • @middlifekrysis4750
    @middlifekrysis4750 7 дней назад

    The fact harry saw the second book but didn't address it is wild.😂

  • @nickglass2959
    @nickglass2959 16 часов назад

    It's slept on that Mr and Mrs. (we're focusing on mr.) Weasley Raised a whole line up of Gangsters. In their own ways each of the Weasley children excelled at whatever they applied themselves to. That and they ALL stood on business, and I bet cash money that came from their Dad standing on his morals about "what sullies the name of wizard." and so on. That and when he instinctively ask "How'd it go?" Vs scolding the boys for taking the car. Mr. Weasley is that mf simply trying to be a calm and happy family man.

  • @billysmith5409
    @billysmith5409 12 дней назад

    Lucius doesn’t work at the Ministry of Magic. He’s so rich he doesn’t have to work. It always bugged me that they added him telling Arthur “I’ll see you at work.” Because Malfoy doesn’t have a job.

  • @dirtyhobo4252
    @dirtyhobo4252 19 дней назад

    I came for the Lord of the Rings. Stayed for the Harry Potter. Subscribed!

  • @mikebrown1881
    @mikebrown1881 18 дней назад

    It is the wanishing cabinet Draco uses in book 6.

  • @heymimi5388
    @heymimi5388 18 дней назад

    I hate how the movies showed the Wesley’s cowering when they were actually always ready to defend themselves in the books.

  • @RobertL.JonesJr-hz8vl
    @RobertL.JonesJr-hz8vl 12 дней назад

    I had the pleasure of reading the first seven books to my Niece and Nephews before seeing any of the movies.

  • @briandaleske5139
    @briandaleske5139 12 дней назад

    I think if a (HARRY POTTER) show got made someday; The moment when Arthur Weasley, fights against Lucius Malfoy, it should be shown in the show.

  • @JasonwithaJay
    @JasonwithaJay 18 дней назад

    IF you want to make the argument for the kids using magic, we know that the ministry can't tell exactly who cast the spell, only the location where the spell was cast. So, using magic in Diagon Alley or the school train would make it impossible for the Ministry to know who is casting magic. Making enforcement impossible.

  • @phtevenj
    @phtevenj 11 дней назад

    i thought i was imagining Draco showing up in the store, but i guess i was thinking about the book

  • @nintendogamingchannel1007
    @nintendogamingchannel1007 19 дней назад

    FactorFantasy
    Do you expect upward 80% Each Book be faithful adapted for TVShow?

  • @dees3179
    @dees3179 10 дней назад

    The movies don’t actually make sense as stand alone stories, the editors got a bit carried away. If you don’t have some extra knowledge about what was cut or changed you stand no chance against the plot holes, and there are enough already. I understand that the movies will be truncated and adapted, but they still need to have a coherent plot, and they just didn’t. It’s a source of great frustration for me.

  • @dubwhite852
    @dubwhite852 10 дней назад

    Arthur is one of my favorite characters. I would have loved watching him take Malfoy’s lunch money….

  • @moshecallen
    @moshecallen 3 дня назад

    Yes, it's the same cabinet.

  • @kalegolas
    @kalegolas 19 дней назад

    I completely agree

  • @UnfazedPhoenix
    @UnfazedPhoenix 11 дней назад

    It's not hidden if people read the actual story - you know ..the books. 😂😂

  • @KathleenLechner-p6u
    @KathleenLechner-p6u 10 дней назад

    Hermione's parents changed

  • @Chellebelle121
    @Chellebelle121 13 дней назад

    Poor Errol, lol!

  • @KathleenLechner-p6u
    @KathleenLechner-p6u 10 дней назад

    ❤❤❤