12:18 you're shooting at iso6400 with a shutter speed of 1/640.... if you drop your shutter speed to 1/60, your iso can be at iso800, which will be pretty much clean from noise. unless you were purposely testing high iso, this is a totally avoidable scenario with no compromise. good review though and i'm glad you like the camera. and yes i do have two Leica M cameras. one film one digital.
thank you! i am testing the ISO tho in those bits to see how it does in low light with high ISO against my Canon 5D Mark IV :) what film one do you have? and digital? do you recommend a film Leica? I have a contax G2 I love
@@JessicaWhitaker cool cool. i have an M9, which i've had for 8 years and an M6 that've had for 13 years. I would recommend a film Leica if you don't mind the time and cost involved with film. Leica M in film gives you a whole new appreciation for the build quality. particularly if you use an MP, M3 or M2. those things are next level compared to my M6, which is already pretty good. the other thing is, the film M cameras (other than the M7), the shutter dial turns the correct way, and it's a lot smaller. the shutter feels different. the film advance and shutter lever is just a joy to use. the overall experience is a bit better than digital. you interact with your camera a lot more. they're a bit smaller too. so yeah, i would recommend one. i'd love an MP but time/cost/availability is a challenge for me.
Keep shooting your Contax G2 Jessica. That is one of the most satisfying 35mm film and Carl Zeiss lens kits that you could possibly wish for. Beautiful, crisp 3D looking images that keep you excited about photography.
It is very esay to set up,you should read the quick start guide before begin to use the camera,press the round botton in the dail and flip through the dail,the mode will display in the status screen,the touch focus function is in the focus mode in the menu.
thanks for reviewing the camera. 😃 The sensor is APS-C so naturally, Iso 6400 looks terrible. In that Portrait session where you shoot with 1/640 you easily could have shot with ISO1600 & 1/200. Price doesn't determine the features or quality of a camera especially with a Leica. You can easily spend 12k on a body +lens and don't even have autofocus.
Setting up my CL took less than a couple minutes for manual mode with ISO on the right top button. Really don't know what You are talking about here. The camera is very easy to use and to set up. It's an awesome camera for travel, street and landscape photography. I have mine now for over 2 years with the 23mm f/2 Summilux and the 60mm Elmarit 2.8 Macro and never looked at anything else since.
Just based on this video I love the colors and I think the camera works well in outdoors. I prefer practical review than being technical. I use fuji wherein the physical dials is fun to use, I'm too poor for leica cameras but it does look stylish and discrete when you shoot in public places.
Thank you for reviewing the camera. I am not sure whether you are a pro. photographer or not, I assume you are, and wanted to point out one thing. As some people below mentioned, your setting at night is not reasonable. None would use the shutter speed at 1/640 ISO 6400. It also depends on the lighting condition. At least I wouldn't set it like that when you know you have F/2.8 lens on. Then, you mentioned about the noise. Of course, it would create lots of noises at that high ISO. I am using Canon and Sony and even they both have a fine amount of noises at ISO 6400. I just wished that you could test it more carefully especially at night. But, overall, it was a good review. Thank you.
Thanks for the explanation man I was surprised how much noise those photos have in other reviews lowlight photos didn’t look anything like that also it was strange to me she was pixel peeping on an ASP-C camera
That was a very informative video presentation. Thank you so much. It would be interesting to see a comparison between the Olympus Pen F and the Leica CL. The Olympus Pen F looks just like the Leica but is 1/3 the price of the Leica CL.
I own a Leica CL too and I agree with you about its poor high iso performance, but I think that your problems setting up the camera were due to your previous experiences with other gears. I started photography with the Leica CL and it took me only five minutes to set it in manual mode and in black and white. Later I bought a Fujifilm x100s and to be honest it’s not as intuitive as the Leica CL...
C C I can’t comment on that for two reasons: - I shoot only in b&w... - I’ve never edited a single picture, I always post the jpeg as is on Instagram Photography is a wonderful game for me, I don’t bother about sharpness, pixel peeping etc. It’s the experience of seeing things in a way that my naked eyes couldn’t see, I’m not an artist nor a philosophist . I’m more like a child that loves photography for that sense of wonder that it is capable to donate. Sorry for my bad english. Bye,
For the same price: 2 sony a6400s w/a wide on one & a portrait lens on the other, plus iso 6400 clean. but it's so hard to beat leica glass - almost zero distortion & so sharp. great review & you're right about it shining in day time.
Well, you shouldn't really shoot a portrait at 1/500 ms - 1/640 ms with a 18mm lens, no wonder you get into the high iso's. With 27mm equivalent you should be able to shoot perfectly fine around 1/60ms, or if you have parkinson perhaps 1/120ms. And then you get into the 400-800 iso range, which the sensor should handle just fine.
@@sultanabran1 Yes, it's EXACTLY like saying that. There's always a legion of Clever Dicks who haven't yet figured out that while a Seiko keeps as good time as a Rolex, Rolex customers are in for the owner's experience--or else we'd all be using our cell phones to both keep time and take pictures. This is a Leica review.
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it is funny that one else mention how difficult it is to set up, thanks for that.
so many better alternatives than this camera, fujifilm XT-2 or X-T3 or hell even the X-pro3, was this bought because you like the way it looks? or because its high end? that's a question of curiosity
Test a Leica and you see. Have Leica Q and even if it’s 5years old it feels more modern and so much nice then Fujifilm. Now I like Xpro2 and Xpro3, but for a second hand price of Leica CL it’s a no brainer for me. My CL will arrive in mail tomorrow.
Is Leica in some kind of crisis? They have always been keen on highest quality in all what a camera could do. They pursued this goal in their choices of camera features, often to the detriment of versatility, because they gave utmost highest standards such a priority!
@@JessicaWhitaker and Chin, you may know already, but fyi Sigma is in alliance with Leica now and have just released their 56mmF1.4 (85mmFOV), 30mmF1.4 (45mmFOV), 16mmF1.4 (24mmFOV) APS-C lenses in Leica L-mount. They're the affordable 'Contemporary' line rather than the premium 'Art' line, though they hold resolution records anyway in the Sony E and micro4/3 versions. They're very well-priced - you could buy them all for less than the price of the cheapest Leica lens. Sigma also have an L mount camera (FP) which is very similar to the Leica CL, but with a full-frame sensor - it's not as versatile as the Panasonics (S5 etc) that have stabilisation etc, but it has very high level cinema features and is being used to film some scenes in Avatar II. It has a very high level cinemagraph feature which can be edited in camera. You should ask Sigma if you can review the 56mm for portraiture, or ask them for the FP with the equiv full-frame portrait lens 85mm ART D.
Honestly, this camera is not worth it for me judging solely on your experience. Don’t get me wrong, the camera itself is beautiful and you’re a talented enough photographer that you were able to get some gorgeous images from it. But that low light quality at that price point is not something I’d be able to justify. Especially for a travel camera. I’d be paranoid about missing a lot of shots due to the the sub par low light capabilities of the camera and that’s not something I want to worry about when capturing memories during my travels. I’d sooner invest in a Fuji camera and a couple of good lenses or one of the Sony Alpha crop sensor cameras.
I think Fujifilm X100V is the perfect choice for travel camera. I myself would love to have a full frame Leica Q2, but the 28mm is a bit out of my comfort zone.
@@KTK44 No, I'm not new to photography so I don't think I'm easily swayed. Yes, her ISO settings are pretty high in those particular images, which would introduce more noise, but I think she just had to use those higher ISO settings to compensate for the camera's poor capabilities of handling the low light conditions she was in. Sure, she could have lowered her shutter speed some to let some more light in, but regardless it does seem like she still would've struggled with noisy images, partly because it's a crop sensor, which just doesn't handle low-light as well as a full sensor. Could she maybe get better performance out of the camera if she continues to tweak it and refine her settings? Sure. I still stand by my original point though: nowadays there's several options (both in crop-sensor and full size camera bodies) that seem to handle similar situations much better, with less noise at higher ISO settings and at a way more affordable price. So I don't consider the camera to be worth it at the price point it's at, not for me at least. But to each their own.
idiotically overpriced, thats how much.! #3000 is a Special Offer? how generous of them. Cameras for entitled rich white people who are more worried about their lipgloss color than actually good photography. Uggh.
recently procured the Leica M10-P 'White' limited edition + 50mm f/1.4 Summilux, primarily for my love of the Color WHITE, & secondarily, it is a Leica manual (true) rangefinder. My wallet is still crying after paying $18.3K (incl. of tax/duty). Best lenses for M Rangefinder are 35mm f/2 Summicron as 1st priority, ... & 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit or f/5.6 Summaron as 2nd preference, so by all means, get any 1 of those 3. Otherwise get the Leica Q2 (or a used Q). Go with the 28/2 Summicron if you don't like the 'Q' (having a similar 28mm f/1.7 fixed but stabilised & half-macro lens). Ricoh GRiii is not a bad choice either.
from what i can tell, people choose Leica (digital) because of the name. film is where they excel. that amount of noise is unacceptable for a ~$4k camera setup. my mirrorless fuji is about 5 years old and even it performs better at that ISO. your portraits of your friend in the garden were absolutely gorgeous. 😍
I'm sure some people buy Leica for the name, but many (including me) buy Leica because of the quality of the build, quality of the lenses and the ease of use. I have lots of cameras and have owned almost every brand and I still like this little CL as a travel camera. Even though I own some, I personally don't like manual focus cameras, so the CL being small, light, and offering autofocus is perfect. I have all the lenses but the 60mm macro (so the 11-23, 23, 35, 18-56 and 55-135mm), so I cover everything from an equivalent of 17-212mm in 35mm - everything I need. All of that fits in a small backpack with room to spare. Compare that with my D850 which weighs more than twice as much and takes up much more space. Below ISO 3200 its image quality is terrific and it's a match for anything below 1600. Are there cameras with better high ISO performance? Absolutely. Better resolution? Sure (at least full frame cameras - not sure any APS-C camera is better). This camera is perfectly sized (not too small or large), all metal, beautiful to look at, takes great pictures, and performs well for most things. So you need to understand why Leica builds cameras the way they do and you begin to understand the cost and strong following. If they would add in-camera stabilization it would be (my) perfect travel camera. Great review Jessica.
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You said you can't tap to autofocus? You can. Here is an example ruclips.net/video/vef1B_r2RMo/видео.html
Hey Jessica, are you still shooting the CL?
I bought one of this recently with 35mm f1.4 lens and i just can’t stop using it! The image quality is insane
12:18 you're shooting at iso6400 with a shutter speed of 1/640.... if you drop your shutter speed to 1/60, your iso can be at iso800, which will be pretty much clean from noise. unless you were purposely testing high iso, this is a totally avoidable scenario with no compromise. good review though and i'm glad you like the camera. and yes i do have two Leica M cameras. one film one digital.
thank you! i am testing the ISO tho in those bits to see how it does in low light with high ISO against my Canon 5D Mark IV :)
what film one do you have? and digital? do you recommend a film Leica? I have a contax G2 I love
@@JessicaWhitaker cool cool.
i have an M9, which i've had for 8 years and an M6 that've had for 13 years.
I would recommend a film Leica if you don't mind the time and cost involved with film. Leica M in film gives you a whole new appreciation for the build quality. particularly if you use an MP, M3 or M2. those things are next level compared to my M6, which is already pretty good. the other thing is, the film M cameras (other than the M7), the shutter dial turns the correct way, and it's a lot smaller. the shutter feels different. the film advance and shutter lever is just a joy to use. the overall experience is a bit better than digital. you interact with your camera a lot more. they're a bit smaller too. so yeah, i would recommend one. i'd love an MP but time/cost/availability is a challenge for me.
Why are you shooting a bed at 1/500th of a second in low light?
I honestly don't think she knows how shutter speed and ISO works.
God she's so bad
Keep shooting your Contax G2 Jessica. That is one of the most satisfying 35mm film and Carl Zeiss lens kits that you could possibly wish for. Beautiful, crisp 3D looking images that keep you excited about photography.
It is very esay to set up,you should read the quick start guide before begin to use the camera,press the round botton in the dail and flip through the dail,the mode will display in the status screen,the touch focus function is in the focus mode in the menu.
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Very curious why you chose this over a Fuji x100f or xe-3.
chadremesch what about Fuji x100v
Cause it's a leica, and she can afford it😢
am i the only one who has a lumix gx80 as their main shooter?
thanks for reviewing the camera. 😃 The sensor is APS-C so naturally, Iso 6400 looks terrible. In that Portrait session where you shoot with 1/640 you easily could have shot with ISO1600 & 1/200. Price doesn't determine the features or quality of a camera especially with a Leica. You can easily spend 12k on a body +lens and don't even have autofocus.
Setting up my CL took less than a couple minutes for manual mode with ISO on the right top button. Really don't know what You are talking about here. The camera is very easy to use and to set up. It's an awesome camera for travel, street and landscape photography. I have mine now for over 2 years with the 23mm f/2 Summilux and the 60mm Elmarit 2.8 Macro and never looked at anything else since.
Just based on this video I love the colors and I think the camera works well in outdoors. I prefer practical review than being technical. I use fuji wherein the physical dials is fun to use, I'm too poor for leica cameras but it does look stylish and discrete when you shoot in public places.
thank you so much for the encouragement, i'm glad you enjoyed this kind of review!
I hope that you came safely. Sending all the love from then and sending the love to you Jessica
Hi! Yes, I did. This all happened right before the catastrophe. Thank you so much
Thank you for reviewing the camera. I am not sure whether you are a pro. photographer or not, I assume you are, and wanted to point out one thing. As some people below mentioned, your setting at night is not reasonable. None would use the shutter speed at 1/640 ISO 6400. It also depends on the lighting condition. At least I wouldn't set it like that when you know you have F/2.8 lens on. Then, you mentioned about the noise. Of course, it would create lots of noises at that high ISO. I am using Canon and Sony and even they both have a fine amount of noises at ISO 6400. I just wished that you could test it more carefully especially at night. But, overall, it was a good review. Thank you.
Thanks for the explanation man I was surprised how much noise those photos have in other reviews lowlight photos didn’t look anything like that also it was strange to me she was pixel peeping on an ASP-C camera
That was a very informative video presentation.
Thank you so much.
It would be interesting to see a comparison between the Olympus Pen F and the Leica CL. The Olympus Pen F looks just like the Leica but is 1/3 the price of the Leica CL.
Wow. Leica cameras are extremely easy to setup. Much easier than my Fuji and Sony cameras. The Leica menus are simplistic by design.
coming from canon/nikon they're really not. i've never shot with fuji and sony tho
IMHO: Leica M camera menus are simplicity itself. The CL is a little more complicated but still fairly easy to master.
I own a Leica CL too and I agree with you about its poor high iso performance, but I think that your problems setting up the camera were due to your previous experiences with other gears. I started photography with the Leica CL and it took me only five minutes to set it in manual mode and in black and white. Later I bought a Fujifilm x100s and to be honest it’s not as intuitive as the Leica CL...
How do you compare the image quality and color rendition of Leica CL vs Fujifilm x100s? I am super curious to know about that. Thank you~
C C I can’t comment on that for two reasons:
- I shoot only in b&w...
- I’ve never edited a single picture, I always post the jpeg as is on Instagram
Photography is a wonderful game for me, I don’t bother about sharpness, pixel peeping etc. It’s the experience of seeing things in a way that my naked eyes couldn’t see, I’m not an artist nor a philosophist . I’m more like a child that loves photography for that sense of wonder that it is capable to donate. Sorry for my bad english. Bye,
It' has touch AF... you have to turn it on.
For the same price: 2 sony a6400s w/a wide on one & a portrait lens on the other, plus iso 6400 clean. but it's so hard to beat leica glass - almost zero distortion & so sharp. great review & you're right about it shining in day time.
Sony have terrible colors in comparrison and experiens.
Well, you shouldn't really shoot a portrait at 1/500 ms - 1/640 ms with a 18mm lens, no wonder you get into the high iso's. With 27mm equivalent you should be able to shoot perfectly fine around 1/60ms, or if you have parkinson perhaps 1/120ms. And then you get into the 400-800 iso range, which the sensor should handle just fine.
Id save money and get fuji x100f or wait for the x100v.
i'd love to try out the fuji x100f and maybe do a comparison!
ohh good idea, i would have never thought of that!
it's bit like saying don't buy a porsche, get a toyota. they both get you down the road and the toyota is cheaper.
@@sultanabran1 Yes, it's EXACTLY like saying that. There's always a legion of Clever Dicks who haven't yet figured out that while a Seiko keeps as good time as a Rolex, Rolex customers are in for the owner's experience--or else we'd all be using our cell phones to both keep time and take pictures. This is a Leica review.
it is funny that one else mention how difficult it is to set up, thanks for that.
Thanks for the honest review
you're welcome, thank you for watching!
so many better alternatives than this camera, fujifilm XT-2 or X-T3 or hell even the X-pro3, was this bought because you like the way it looks? or because its high end? that's a question of curiosity
Test a Leica and you see. Have Leica Q and even if it’s 5years old it feels more modern and so much nice then Fujifilm. Now I like Xpro2 and Xpro3, but for a second hand price of Leica CL it’s a no brainer for me.
My CL will arrive in mail tomorrow.
Hey @@jonassubvert How is the CL going?
This Leica camera is one of the low budget cameras from Leica m8-m9 has more easily manual mode
yes that is true!
Is Leica in some kind of crisis? They have always been keen on highest quality in all what a camera could do. They pursued this goal in their choices of camera features, often to the detriment of versatility, because they gave utmost highest standards such a priority!
Love this video! The pictures were stunning! We’re they raw? Or edited if so, did you use presets I can access?! Gorgeous!!!
yes, they were raw! i just edited in lightroom
But they release so little lenses for their APSC camera, even the L mount alliance up to this point has no new APSC camera or lenses
right but with this camera i don't really feel the need to get any other lenses
If you want more lens there are other models to select.
@@JessicaWhitaker and Chin, you may know already, but fyi Sigma is in alliance with Leica now and have just released their 56mmF1.4 (85mmFOV), 30mmF1.4 (45mmFOV), 16mmF1.4 (24mmFOV) APS-C lenses in Leica L-mount.
They're the affordable 'Contemporary' line rather than the premium 'Art' line, though they hold resolution records anyway in the Sony E and micro4/3 versions. They're very well-priced - you could buy them all for less than the price of the cheapest Leica lens.
Sigma also have an L mount camera (FP) which is very similar to the Leica CL, but with a full-frame sensor - it's not as versatile as the Panasonics (S5 etc) that have stabilisation etc, but it has very high level cinema features and is being used to film some scenes in Avatar II. It has a very high level cinemagraph feature which can be edited in camera.
You should ask Sigma if you can review the 56mm for portraiture, or ask them for the FP with the equiv full-frame portrait lens 85mm ART D.
Honestly, this camera is not worth it for me judging solely on your experience. Don’t get me wrong, the camera itself is beautiful and you’re a talented enough photographer that you were able to get some gorgeous images from it. But that low light quality at that price point is not something I’d be able to justify. Especially for a travel camera. I’d be paranoid about missing a lot of shots due to the the sub par low light capabilities of the camera and that’s not something I want to worry about when capturing memories during my travels. I’d sooner invest in a Fuji camera and a couple of good lenses or one of the Sony Alpha crop sensor cameras.
I think Fujifilm X100V is the perfect choice for travel camera. I myself would love to have a full frame Leica Q2, but the 28mm is a bit out of my comfort zone.
The low light quality is just because she shot in too high shutter speed and ISO. Are you new to photography because you seem easily suaved.
@@KTK44 No, I'm not new to photography so I don't think I'm easily swayed. Yes, her ISO settings are pretty high in those particular images, which would introduce more noise, but I think she just had to use those higher ISO settings to compensate for the camera's poor capabilities of handling the low light conditions she was in. Sure, she could have lowered her shutter speed some to let some more light in, but regardless it does seem like she still would've struggled with noisy images, partly because it's a crop sensor, which just doesn't handle low-light as well as a full sensor. Could she maybe get better performance out of the camera if she continues to tweak it and refine her settings? Sure. I still stand by my original point though: nowadays there's several options (both in crop-sensor and full size camera bodies) that seem to handle similar situations much better, with less noise at higher ISO settings and at a way more affordable price. So I don't consider the camera to be worth it at the price point it's at, not for me at least. But to each their own.
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thanks for watching!
I beg your pardon how much?
it has special offer now, only 2995
idiotically overpriced, thats how much.! #3000 is a Special Offer? how generous of them. Cameras for entitled rich white people who are more worried about their lipgloss color than actually good photography. Uggh.
You should try the Fuji xt4 I have the xt3 does 4K 10 bit up to 60fps
So much beauty =)
recently procured the Leica M10-P 'White' limited edition + 50mm f/1.4 Summilux, primarily for my love of the Color WHITE, & secondarily, it is a Leica manual (true) rangefinder. My wallet is still crying after paying $18.3K (incl. of tax/duty). Best lenses for M Rangefinder are 35mm f/2 Summicron as 1st priority, ... & 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit or f/5.6 Summaron as 2nd preference, so by all means, get any 1 of those 3. Otherwise get the Leica Q2 (or a used Q). Go with the 28/2 Summicron if you don't like the 'Q' (having a similar 28mm f/1.7 fixed but stabilised & half-macro lens). Ricoh GRiii is not a bad choice either.
Sorry... but this is one of the easiest possible camera to setup.
from what i can tell, people choose Leica (digital) because of the name. film is where they excel. that amount of noise is unacceptable for a ~$4k camera setup. my mirrorless fuji is about 5 years old and even it performs better at that ISO. your portraits of your friend in the garden were absolutely gorgeous. 😍
I'm sure some people buy Leica for the name, but many (including me) buy Leica because of the quality of the build, quality of the lenses and the ease of use. I have lots of cameras and have owned almost every brand and I still like this little CL as a travel camera. Even though I own some, I personally don't like manual focus cameras, so the CL being small, light, and offering autofocus is perfect. I have all the lenses but the 60mm macro (so the 11-23, 23, 35, 18-56 and 55-135mm), so I cover everything from an equivalent of 17-212mm in 35mm - everything I need. All of that fits in a small backpack with room to spare. Compare that with my D850 which weighs more than twice as much and takes up much more space. Below ISO 3200 its image quality is terrific and it's a match for anything below 1600. Are there cameras with better high ISO performance? Absolutely. Better resolution? Sure (at least full frame cameras - not sure any APS-C camera is better). This camera is perfectly sized (not too small or large), all metal, beautiful to look at, takes great pictures, and performs well for most things. So you need to understand why Leica builds cameras the way they do and you begin to understand the cost and strong following. If they would add in-camera stabilization it would be (my) perfect travel camera.
Great review Jessica.