As a fellow Leica enthusiast it is always fun to watch your videos, thanks! I used the Leicaflex camera alongside my M-series for many years back when I started professionally in the early 1970s and have always appreciated them. I was one of the few that didn’t have a Nikon for my SLR with all its bells and whistles, but as the saying went back then, ‘you use a Leicaflex for the Lenses.’ A few observations; Too bad your light meter isn’t working, it’s maybe the main feature of the SL and where the camera gets its name, Selective Light metering, and is very accurate [remember, the metering M-series was years away with the M5]. The SL had advantages over the M-series besides the TTL view and metering; 1/2000 top shutter speed and with shutter-speed readout in the finder, easy to use big shutter dial, back opens for easy/quick film changing, depth-of-field preview, motor drive MOT version (I was a sports photographer), and easy as you mention closer-up (try the easy to use ELPROs close-up screw-in lens on your Summicron-R for even closer). The film advance could be better, its not racketed and so it is one long stroke, multiple shorts doesn’t work, but the meter is turned on with the advance at a 90 from the camera body, so you start the advance fairly far to the side as it is. That 50 Summicron-R (1964) was a new/first in lens design philosophy for Leitz, ‘higher contrast for perceived sharpness,’ and filtered down in later years to their newer lenses (the v3 50 M-Summicron being the most obvious direct ‘copy’), its a great lens almost 60 years later. The SL finder is super bright, but the older original Leicaflex is even brighter! No, it doesn’t focus across the frame, only the center (like an M-series ;-), but with an f2 lens its amazing. It’s the M3 in a SLR clothing, and you may like it. BTW, change [to metal] the red plastic lens release sooner than later, they can fail. The SL is built like a ‘tank,’ and superb Leica finish and quality in every way. Enjoy your new camera.
I’m in the market for one of these…how do you change out the red tab? Is this something you can readily find and self service, or would I need to send it in somewhere? I’ve seen a few for sale with silver tabs, should I just limit my searches for those models?
I couldn't agree more, the shutter release mechanism is also so satisfying. So much better than any other film camera I own from Minolta, Canon or any other of the 20+ film cameras I have. I simply love shooting on it, all my other film cameras only sit on display. This is the only one I actually use, basically because the shutter mechanism is so satisfying.
A Leicaflex SL cost 2790 Dutch guilders in 1969; I bought mine secondhand in 1977 for 900!. It has the brightest viewfinder ever. I combined it with two Elmarits 35mm and 90mm, a combination you can't beat. Best pictures I ever made was with this "kit." Thanks a lot for bringing this (heavy) gem to the fore!
Matt; I believe that you can use 3 Cam lenses on the Leitz, Leicaflex SL or SL2, but not the “3rd Cam”or ROM lenses. I have 3 Cam lenses and use them on my SL2 and it works perfectly. The doc from KEH on Leica R Lenses is consistent with the Leica R WiKi site, and states: “A '3-cam' or 'triple cam' will work on all Leica SLR models”
Ah thank you. I read a few posts on what lenses can be used so thanks for the clarification. My 80-200 is a ROM lens so I will kep that for the Lumix S5.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom No worries. Actually, unless there is a need for ROM lenses (designed for use on Leicaflex R Series and work on current Leica SLx Digital - as it communicates with the camera electronically) the 3-Cam lenses are the most universal - i.e. they work on all Leicaflex Cameras, but the additional Cams won't necessarily add any functionality not currently available on earlier 'flex' bodies
I bought my Leicaflex SL about 8 years ago. I sent it to Sherry Krauter a couple of years back for a complete CLA and to get the meter recalibrated for today's batteries. I paid a little over US $150 for the camera body, which is in near mint condition, and then spent $450 for the CLA. LOL. Sherry had to replace some parts which is what drove the cost up. But it didn't matter to me, I just wanted to keep such a fabulous old camera in tip top working condition. BTW, my Leicaflex SL came with the split prism screen. That viewfinder is truly a joy to use. I also have a new in the box R3MOT with drive, and my workhorse R5... along with 2 M cameras, 4 Barnack cameras, and too many R, M, & LTM lenses to count. Don, the vintage Leica junkie
The SL doesn’t have a manual mirror-up function, but they left it off because there was a geared cam that brought the mirror up to a gentle stop, no vibration.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom try one out! The Topcon lineup can be confusing. Many people think they are some off brand, but they are most definitely not. They are every bit as nice as the Leica SLs (Film of course), and in many case much nicer. You need to make sure you’re getting your hands on the Topcon RE Super / Super D / Super DM though. Their other SLRs are not part of the professional line. Topcon glass is also second to none. The cameras are also downright sexy. They have history and prominence too as they beat out the Nikon F for official US Navy use back in the 60s-80s. I have two Leica M3s, one single and one double stroke. Also have a Leica SL. The Topcon film advance is smoother than all and the shutter sounds nicer and more satisfying than the Leica SL. It truly is a shame Topcon stopped innovating and fell out of relevance. But even as collectors items and a premium price right now, they are undervalued imho. Make sure to get your hands on one and get all of the glass you want before you make a video because I do believe once they are discovered value is going to shoot up to insane levels. The Topcor glass branded as “RE.Auto” is what you want. Don’t be tempted to get an adapter to mount the “UV.Topcor” stuff on an RE Super. Did I say the cameras are freaking SEXY? Hah. Let me know if you have any other questions.
I own the standard original and picked up an SL for about $100 in great shape. Both cameras are well engineered and feel heavy. The SL feels more ergonomic compared to the original. The battery on the original was moved (I have no idea why it was in the front of the camera?). I must say that the SL loads and forwards film better than any film camera that I have ever used. I intend to try out some low ISO film tomorrow as a test run. I would compare it to a Topcon RE Super or 2 as far ergonomics and overall quality. I originally purchased the Leica R lenses to be used with my Metabones speedbooster for Fujifilm X mount cameras. The performance is fantastic. I ended up buying an inexpensive Leicaflex (original) and ventured back into film photography with the R lenses. The Leicaflex is still affordable. If you read some of the Leica magazines from the 1960's and 1970's, the Leicaflex was given equal footing with the M series.
I got one this week for 120 € including 1 yr warranty from a local dealer. Together with an Elmarit 35mm f/2.8 just 300€. Lots of fun to go back to the basics. Now I will see, what I like more (Nikon FM2/FM3a or LeicaFlex SL).
It’s hard to imagine now how innovative the Selective Light metering was in the SL. It was a 1st, and even with the semi-reflective mirror that passed some of the light through for the meter to function in this way, the finder brightness was a SLR revelation. It was a very well thought out camera, but unfortunately didn’t have all the ‘Pro’ features of a Nikon or Canon, and Leica was just trying to catch-up with the established SLR completion, And the original price didn’t help for folks making a living with their equipment. We’re lucky with low prices for todays film users, but watch out for prism deterioration (glue separation), and meter not working ;-9. on these 50+ year old cameras.
Thanks Robert, yes the light passing through the mirror is very clever. Sorry I should have mentioned that. Thanks for tips on possible problems and the other info. (Yes we are lucky they are so affordable today in Leica price terms).
You mentioned using a 1 cam on the SL. My understanding is that you can only use stop down metering then as that single cam is in the wrong position to activate the aperture lever in the body to communicate with the meter. The 2 can will work on both the original Standard Leicaflex and the SL. Without a working meter it really makes no difference though. I generally use a handheld meter or sunny 16 even on my working meter cameras.
The SL has a nice focus screen, corse center micro prism, and very fine outer (almost like ground-glass in use). The SL2 used a center split screen with outer corse micro prism ring (the combination I never liked), again finer micro prism outer full field. My favorite SL screen was a special order I had with a full ground glass with grid lines (the center ring was only to indicate meter area), great for lab micro photography and use with my 400mm, but I liked it as a general use screen too even if not as bright as the standard screen.
Great info Robert thanks. Yes the reason I went for the SL was the highly regarded viewfinder & screen. I need to be able to see to be happy. Micro prism is more effective that I could imagine.
Beware. You may soon find several more and the SL2 in your cabinet. One of mine mysteriously acquired a rangefinder focusing screen somehow. Love the shutter sound. Fwooomp!
Thanks Jon haha, yes! I didn't even plan to buy it.. I found it looking at R lenses haha. Yes a really nice cloth shutter, I forgot to mention that. Sadly there was film still in the camera to finish so I could fire it off a lot in the video. I will do a follow up with sample photos :)
Matt- Leica R lens cams are a bit confusing. The first and second cam were to work with exposure on the Original Leicaflex and Leicaflex SL, respectively. Viewed from the back of the lens they are the siver sloped cams (when the red dot is at 12 0’clock) at 11 and 5 o’clock. Your 50 is from 1966 so itprobably originally has a single silver cam. It could have been subsequently upgraded to a two cam or three cam lens, retaining full original functionality. The third cam was added for the Leica R3 and is a small stubby black cam just inside the 5 o’clock cam at about 5:30. A three cam lens is fully compatible with any leicaflex or R with the exception of ROM function. Late in R production a third cam only version was added later with ROM settings. These 3rd cam only are the ones not compatible with your SL, the ROMs may not even mount (not sure about ROM). Your meterless SL should work fine with virtually any (excepting a Minolta-made zoom or two) one, two and three cam R lens. If the meter worked you could only meter stopped down with a single cam lens, which is no big deal. For your style THE R lens to get for a Leicaflex SL is the 80/1.4 Summilux-R. I believe it is available in three cam and later versions. Get one with clean glass and barrel wear as it’s gonna cost you a pretty penny....
Hi Adam, good to hear from you and sorry for my late answer. Yes i've had a steep learning curve over the last few weeks! :) Thanks for your detailed answer and time. I checked, some have 1 silver slope + black square tab, some 2 silver slopes (opposite) + black square tab and the ROM ones are completely different. I hear the 80mm is nice but also the 90 f2 and 90 f2.8.. and the 100mm :S :)
Hey Matti good to see a video from you again.... I just wanted to inform that another very good Leica is the Leica R3 Mot!!! I was very lucky back then to use the Leica together with my NikonF2 AS.... I still have them... Ofcourse this couldnt hold me up to use my Leica M4P for certain projects... Thank you sooo much for reminding us all these Ever greens.... All good to you mate!!
Thanks William! If model pictures it was the R lenses to thank (and models!) if camera photos I recorded a Patreon video showing how I shot them, out this week.
I know I am commenting on a video that is a year old, but I wanted to emphasize what has already been stated below. I just acquired a Leicaflex SL with 4 lenses through and Ebay auction, and the 35 f2.8, 21 f4, and 70-210 f4 are all 3 cam lenses. I did not check the 400mm f6.8 Telyt, but the 35 and the 21 operate fine with the match needle metering as far as I can tell. I won't really know for sure until I get this roll of HP5 Plus developed, but I am confident they are ok with the SL. You gave me a scare because I was planning to be able to use these on my R7 as well. So far I am enjoying the SL much more than I expected. I will say my Nikon F3 film advance is at least as smooth, but that one is not cocking a shutter and providing mechanical power to operate the mirror. This makes the SL achievement all the more impressive! Cheers!
Thanks for your reply Matt. Your video inspired me enough to buy a pristine SL with 50mm Summicron from Japan -- not going to tell you the price I paid though! -- but I've been a diehard Leica user for the last 30+ years! Always enjoy your postings 🙏@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
Thanks for the review! I agree that the quality and build of the Leicaflex -- I have an SL2 -- and the R lenses are superb. The Summilux-R's -- the f1.4's -- though are generally quite expensive, likely due to the fact that they are popular as cine lenses. The 35mm f1.4 is especially bad, often running between $7k and $10k when it can even be found. But the Summicrons and the Elmarits are a lot more reasonable. The R lenses also work well on a Sony A3r and a Fuji GFX (in crop mode) with adapters. I also just discovered you can adapt them for use on a Leica M Mount -- which avoids the need to buy duplicate lenses.
Thanks D, yes i'm not even looking at 1.4 lenses in R mount ha. Yes you can use on M mount via M adapter. That's why if you saw my Lumix S5 video I bought a Novaflex R-M not R-L adapter (so I can mount directly to M or via M-L adapter to L mount).
Beautiful video. I also have a Leicaflex SL and an R8. However, but I may have misunderstood for my bad English, so apologies, a clarification on the optics and cams. I repeat, I also have an R8. In summary. One cam: only the first Leicaflex; two cams: Leicaflex, Leicaflex SL, Leicaflex SL2; three cams: Leicaflex SL, Leicaflex SL2, Leica R3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 (on the latter two there will be no communication between the lens and the dedicated flash, i.e. the flash will not know the focal length, it must be communicated manually) , I'm not sure of the functioning on the first Leicaflex, the one with the external cell, to understand. "Only R", i.e. the lenses that have ONLY the third cam, presented with the R3: R3, 4,5,6,7,8 and 9 (the latter two will lack communication between the lens and the dedicated flash), cannot be used with anyone Leicaflex. ROM: R3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 (advanced features flash only with R8 and 9). They cannot be used with anyone Leicaflex. Thank you.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom No problem. Thank You. A further clarification with three-cam lenses, the TTL flash of R4,5,6,7,8 and 9 works perfectly, as does the flash metering of the R8 and 9. Practically three-cam lenses can be considered as the "universal" optics for the Leica R system.
Hi, sorry RUclips decided this comment was spam but I just found it. My understand is the R lenses were continually improves from 1 can right to the very end, including early and late versions of the same lenses. ROM lenses have the best coatings, that's why they cost more.
Definitely WOULD NOT say the SL2 is in any way worse than the SL. Most people prefer the SL2 for it's better metering and wider variety of useable lenses. There's always been talk online about the slight upgrades of the SL2 making it more prone to faults, but I've never heard of that in reality. Go with the SL2 IMO. Never heard anyone that knows what they're talking about say the SL2 had any money-saving cuts to its quality... probably just an internet rumour.
Thanks Chris! Sorry I wasn’t dissing the SL2. I hear they are great. I just sent for the crap one and then jumped straight to the R6 etc as I need the diopter to see!
"WOULD NOT say the SL2 is in any way worse than the SL" - Correct ! Folks who make a 'lesser' quality statement, DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT‼ 1st of all, I'm a Leica technician. 2nd, Matt should know that the Leicaflex SL2 has a standard Split-Image with a Microprism donut SCREEN (Amazing brightness & clarity). Finally and among other things, the SL2 is the FINEST SLR EVER MADE❗- In fact, if one tries to score a shutter gear with a SS Swiss tweezer, the gears can't be scratched❗Leica spared NO EXPENSE in manufacturing these jewels...
What a gorgeous camera! I love my R6, but I really wouldn't mind a Leicaflex too :-) And the 50mm Summilux R might be my favourite ever manual focus lens. It's just amazing.
Thanks! It depends on the lens. Read up on this. Some are 2-CAM, 3-CAM etc. (Easy way to check.. turn the aperture.. if the meter doesn't move then it's not working. Compare meter reading to digital camera or phone app)
Ha yes much! I have the FE and many similar. Good cameras but not mechanical masterpiece like this and M3. Much heavier and more solid than these Nikons but less features etc
Matt I have a question. are Leica 35mm Elmarit 1 cam for the Leicaflex SL hard to find? I have an SL body and need a 35mm lens because my Elamrit 35mm and Summicron R does not allow me to meter correctly based on using my light meter. New batteries. Can you tell me which 35mm lens was made for the SL which allows it to meter correctly. Right now I have to press and hold the DoP button while I meter with both my lenses and its difficult. I thought researching a lens for the Leica fles SL would have been easier! Thanks!
Hi, I have the 35/2 Cron ..3 Cam I think. I don’t think my meter works so I’ve never looked. Maybe search old Leica websites for 35mm lenses made for the Flex cameras.
And as you mention the Leicaflex [along with Barnacks] have become the true ‘bargain’ in Leica photography. Check out the beautiful black paint SL prices for an original Leica BP and you get an idea.
Yes! I just wish some of the R glass was cheaper ha. (There are some deals though - 135mm for example). I still need to do a video on my black paint Barnack :)
Great to see that you are reviewing the cameras I want. I am (maybe was) on the hunt for Leicaflex SL2. It was a surprise that SL migh be a better camera. Better made? I have cameras from many manufacturers. But quite few from Nikon.. Great pictures again👍👍
mr. osborne, is not having a light meter a deal breaker for this camera? i’m using an iphone app as my light meter cause the metal portion in the battery broke off.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you very much sir. You are but a few people who answer questions on the youtube comments section. I have started to shoot a roll of film without a light meter. Hope the negatives turn out well.
Great video on a fine camera. I owned an SL and SL2 from new with lenses from 19mm to 250mm I was puzzled by your remark that the SL was better made than the SL2 - I noticed no difference in quality between them, indeed they replaced the grotty plastic lens release with a far better metal one. I think the Lenses are superb, especially the Canadian Mandler designs. Sadly the R cameras are no more probably due to lack of Autofocus although they focused manually far better than my Nikon AFD and S glass. I suspect that the choice of focusing screen and the rather long helicoid in the mount may account for this? As you note in a reply the 3 cam lenses work on the SL. All the third cam did was to enable both aperture and shutter speed to be seen in the finder of the SL2.
Thanks Gareth, I think in reality the SL & 2 feel the same but there were some cost cuttings after the original to try to make it more affordable to build. Both will be fine of course. Amazing to hear you’ve have them since new and those 19mm lenses are very sort after for cine guys especially. I’ve picked up a few more lenses so all that to come in future videos! :)
Thanks Gareth! SL vs SL2 is only what the fact pages say but they say the same M2 vs M3 and they feel very similar. More videos to come on these lenses and cameras I think. Love the lenses!
Are you sure about 3Cam lenses not working on the SL? Some in the forums say they work, only the camera is not meassuring anything. I am going to find out find out as I ordered a Leicaflex SL yesterday 😊. Will be fun to compare with the R8, which seems to me like the most well made camera I have had.
Thanks Kim! The advantage of being a Patreon! You knew about the SL in advance! :) Yes i#ll be interested to hear your thoughts verses your R8 that you enjoy. Nice! Yes sorry someone else also confirmed about 3 cam lenses. Apparently they can so sorry I got it wrong.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom and since that last message guess what arrived lol, a "non working" FE2. Funny what happens when you put 2 batteries in and give it a clean 🤔 😉 IT'S NOW WORKING OK, it needs a focusing screen and the light seals replaced but at £50 yes £50 including p&p that's one heck of a bargain 😀.
@@612morrisongreat find for someone like yourself that is happy to patch it back up. A nice screen costs nearly that much from memory (£40 when I looked to get one after the Nikon video)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 🤔 well it just so happens that the donner FA I have for the parts to replace (still not done yet) the viewfinder lcd in the almost mint FA that i got cheap (as always ) has a B2 focusing screen, which will do for now because being optically challenged like yourself 👓 I would rather have the K2 with the split focus circle. And this FE2 actually cleaned up rather nicely, ok it's not mint but the works 100%.
Thank you Eric! These are manual cameras so you don't need a battery unless you use the light meter. Mine is broken so I don't need any batteries so that makes it very easy and more likely to last a lot longer :)
Great video Matt, I also got myself an SL2 recently for a bargain as the light meter was dead and the exterior was well worn but mechanically perfect . I also managed to grab a Leica Elmarit R 28mm lens cheap as it had a small scratch on front element but images are fine for me :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hi Matt. Take Anthony's advice and give the Zeiss Jena f2.8 50mm Tessar (Greek for four) a try. You can easily find them in M42 and Exakta mounts for very little outlay. The Tessar, from a historical prospective, was probably the most important lens development in history. It took photography to the next level in sharpness and affordability. Its nickname was "Eagle Eye." While somewhat soft wide open, at 5.6 and 8 it produces stunning images. The four element lens design is limited to f2.8, but this was huge step forward in the early 20th Century. There is a controversy that the Leitz Elmar is sort of a rip off of the Tessar, which to my untrained eyes looks plausible from the schematics of the two lenses. On the other hand there are only so many ways that you can arrange 4 elements. It is surprising how many great lenses use the Tessar design like the great Voightlander Color Skopar. As far as not working, many Tessar lenses were made in the 1940s, 50s and 60s. So they are at least 60 to 80 years old. And you are are not going to convince me that the Communist East Germans didn't use Siberian musk ox grease as the main lubricant. But good Tessars are out out there and easy to obtain in good working order. Besides Zeiss Jena, Zeiss Ikon (Stuttgart) produced their own interchangeable Tessars for the Icarex and Contarex cameras and of course the Tessar was the main lens on their long lived Contaflex series. Another controversary is which Zeiss company, East or West Germany, produced the best Zeiss Tessar. Both are great. Again, thanks for your videos and "down home" style.
@@tomredd9025 thanks Tom! I have quite a few lenses so some are Tessar design. I did buy a Tessar 5cm for my Contax but I got a bad copy so it went back.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Oh too bad you got a bad copy. That Tessar is supposed to one of the very best. I have read that the 50mm f3.5 Tessar made in the fifties for the Contax IIa and IIIa is an incredibly sharp lens and is really sought after. It is quite expensive.
Thanks Bart! Good point, I did read that actually. My 50 R looks different to my 50 M lenses though, a bit smoother perhaps, less sharp, less contrast wide open but more that useable for my work.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom supposedly the 50 Summicron-R v1 (your lens) is much like the Summicron-M v3, and the Summicron-R v2 similar to the 50 Summicron-R v4. No personal experience...
wow nice camera and very good review. It is a discovery for me... Did not know Leica has such a good SLR camera... Thanks... Maybe I'll try one so I 'll be able to test some R lenses ...
Thanks Jerome, yes I think these cameras and lenses offer a more affordable way to shoot Leica for people and for us a way to try different Leica glass! :) Drop me a message on Patreon as usual if want help on anything.
I like this camera but if I want the best film SLR I would get the Nikon F6 Like you I shot Nikon for years and have the F100 and the F3HP. I still use Nikon lwnses on a Digital D780. Matt I wonder if you sometime would test this SL vs. the F6. The D780 is still an SLR but digital and has improved Live view can take all the Nikon legacy lenses without adapters. I have the Leica digital SL2 and Digital CL. I wish Leica would rename its digital products so they are not confused with previous film cameras.
Thanks, I don't think you can compare the simple old SL vs super modern F6. The SL will win for build the F6 for those that like mod cons and more automated. I like the older Nikon bodies, I have 9 I think up to the F5 but used the smaller manual ones mostly. Yes agree on naming! I used 2 CLs a few days ago :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hey Matt the R4 is far more refined smaller and features aperture and shutter priorities as well as manual mode but you need a3 cam lenses for these additional features The R6.2 the most desirable of the series was the same exterior all mechanical and made in Germany but costs 3 times as much Good luck with it 😀
@@ronaldsand3000 thanks Ronald, I tend to only use manual mode on cameras so often look for the most manual cameras. That said if the R4 is 3x cheaper I could be tempted :) Yes it's a pity the lenses are not more compatible across the series. Cheers!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Matt With an R to L adaptor you get can use all the R lenses on your digital CL or a digital SL or SL2 if you get one These are becoming very popular by those wanting more character, cheaper cost, smaller size and focal lengths or features such as macro the current full frame L lenses don’t provide Unfortunately many enthusiasts and movie producers are buying them up so their cost is increasing all the time, specially the fast ones like the 50mm and 80mm f1.4’s They were in their hey day top shelf camera’s and lenses. The bodies are very much overlooked by many and as such are really cheap The build quality of the R4 vs the Nikon FA (which had equivalent features) is no contest I have to admit, even though I’m an absolute Nikon fan boy All the very best
@@ronaldsand3000 thanks! I’ve been doing sone reading so I’ll keep you posted ;) If you say the R4 are nicely made too that sounds good. Yes I bought the R lenses for my LUMIX S5 (like a Leica SL2-S a bit but will try on CL too). Partly my interest in R bodies is to use my 80-200 ROM lens.
Matt, I TOO got a Leicaflex original a week ago. But I have no lenses because damn hipsters bought up all the R lenses to put on their mirrorless bodies to shoot videos. So now, I just flipping about the film advance lever and firing the shutter; pretending I am shooting photos. This is my first Leica and man it is a proper photo taking machine. Build better than the F2. By the way, can you compare the best of Nikon i.e. the 55mm micro to these Leica and Carl Zesis lenses?
Congrats Michael! Beautifully made isnt it. Yes sadly the video guys have beat us too the lenses. Look for a 135mm, I think they are the cheapest, or an older 50 like mine, second cheapest perhaps. I think Nikon Micro will be sharper for sure but I enjoy the rendering with these R lenses.
I was offered a Leica SL some years back. The worst decay ever! Mirror and pentaprism, dropping flakes, like trees in Fall. Shutter erratic. Often need new shutter drum. Glad your OK. The beauty of Japanese cameras, is better workmanship, easy to repair or replace. I wasn't impressed when they were new..
@ Mercury battery issue I found a video that explains how, one can substitute with hearing aid batteries! He also addresses important points about voltage, however the video is 9 years old, so it might be advisable to check if the hearing aid batteries of today still deliver around 1.3 Volts. ruclips.net/video/OMbzXVO3vRY/видео.html
As always an interesting and enjoyable video. I am far from a big Leica fan but when I was in High School, the original Leicaflex (the model before the SL) was always held up as something that poor student that I was could aspire to. I am presently looking for a good original Leicaflex body that is in good condition, with a working meter AND a cheap price like you got. At a photo show, I bought for a buck or two a Leicaflex 2 cam T4 adapter. This will allow me to use all my $10 Soligor and Vivitar T4 lenses, which always outperform their cheap price and reputation. It will be fun to walk around with a Leica but not worry about losing anything that cost $4,000 and anyway no one will really be able to tell the difference between the Leica and T4 lenses. Fun video!
Thanks Tom! I hope you find a nice SL :) Yes you get to walk round with a nice Leica and not worry that it is a £2K M6 too! :) ..AND the photos will probably look similar on film :) I will try to do a Leica M vs Leica R shoot out when I get chance. To see if I can see a difference.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I meant your SL video gave me the idea to also get an SL body, plus a Tamron/Leicaflex adapter. So now I can use my existing Tamron Adaptall lenses on the Leicaflex. I have had a Tamron 90mm macro for many years, around 40, and a 35-70 zoom. Not Leica glass I know but the prices are mostly outside my comfort zone. But I have ordered a "cheap" 50mm Summicron. (I'm not sure where the 039 stuff came from, I was trying to include a pic of my SL with a Tamron zoom attached, but the pic just would not paste, so I think the time of 0:39 am registered instead)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom im still in awe. And like you say it still holds up beautifully today. Its built so well. Even my nikon fe isnt made this well.
Thanks, yes I read this - it made me want to buy the camera even more. :) (I saw someone describe it as the camera the engineers made not the accountants! (no cost limitations, just build the best!) :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I remember in 1975 I dreamt of a Leicaflex until I saw the price tag :D I will recommend the Leicaflex cameras as some of the very best of all time, there are also the ALPA cameras, but there are more Leica R Lenses to have, the 135mm are a very good Lens.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom The 24mm 2.8 Elmarit-R is a very good Lens with excellent image quality and low vignetting. It is designed by Minolta (which may be why we see so good Sony Lenses today). Some of my friends who are professional photographers are very happy with the 24mm Leica R Lens. The back focus distance of the 24mm is less than with most others Leica R Lenses, which makes it unsuitable for earlier Leicaflex cameras.
@@cameraprepper7938 I have the Minolta 24mm actually so I’m interested to see how the Leica 24mm compares...when it arrives tomorrow 🙄 ..I found one cheap so thought would try but thanks for note re SL.
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As a fellow Leica enthusiast it is always fun to watch your videos, thanks! I used the Leicaflex camera alongside my M-series for many years back when I started professionally in the early 1970s and have always appreciated them. I was one of the few that didn’t have a Nikon for my SLR with all its bells and whistles, but as the saying went back then, ‘you use a Leicaflex for the Lenses.’ A few observations; Too bad your light meter isn’t working, it’s maybe the main feature of the SL and where the camera gets its name, Selective Light metering, and is very accurate [remember, the metering M-series was years away with the M5]. The SL had advantages over the M-series besides the TTL view and metering; 1/2000 top shutter speed and with shutter-speed readout in the finder, easy to use big shutter dial, back opens for easy/quick film changing, depth-of-field preview, motor drive MOT version (I was a sports photographer), and easy as you mention closer-up (try the easy to use ELPROs close-up screw-in lens on your Summicron-R for even closer). The film advance could be better, its not racketed and so it is one long stroke, multiple shorts doesn’t work, but the meter is turned on with the advance at a 90 from the camera body, so you start the advance fairly far to the side as it is. That 50 Summicron-R (1964) was a new/first in lens design philosophy for Leitz, ‘higher contrast for perceived sharpness,’ and filtered down in later years to their newer lenses (the v3 50 M-Summicron being the most obvious direct ‘copy’), its a great lens almost 60 years later. The SL finder is super bright, but the older original Leicaflex is even brighter! No, it doesn’t focus across the frame, only the center (like an M-series ;-), but with an f2 lens its amazing. It’s the M3 in a SLR clothing, and you may like it. BTW, change [to metal] the red plastic lens release sooner than later, they can fail. The SL is built like a ‘tank,’ and superb Leica finish and quality in every way. Enjoy your new camera.
Thank you Robert! I appreciate your input and experience with these cameras. Yes I read the red tab is a weak point. I’ll try to be gentle with it.
I’m in the market for one of these…how do you change out the red tab? Is this something you can readily find and self service, or would I need to send it in somewhere? I’ve seen a few for sale with silver tabs, should I just limit my searches for those models?
I have a Leicaflex SL2 Leitz: Leicaflex SL2 50 Jahre (50th Anniversary). And I want to sell it. It is perfect.
I couldn't agree more, the shutter release mechanism is also so satisfying. So much better than any other film camera I own from Minolta, Canon or any other of the 20+ film cameras I have. I simply love shooting on it, all my other film cameras only sit on display. This is the only one I actually use, basically because the shutter mechanism is so satisfying.
Thanks Shane, yes agreed! I use others more for their function but this feels and sounds the best!
I have a Leicaflex SL2 Leitz: Leicaflex SL2 50 Jahre (50th Anniversary). And I want to sell it. It is perfect.
A Leicaflex SL cost 2790 Dutch guilders in 1969; I bought mine secondhand in 1977 for 900!. It has the brightest viewfinder ever. I combined it with two Elmarits 35mm and 90mm, a combination you can't beat. Best pictures I ever made was with this "kit." Thanks a lot for bringing this (heavy) gem to the fore!
Thanks Les! Yes I will try to get a wide lens if I can find one :) Great camera! :)
Matt;
I believe that you can use 3 Cam lenses on the Leitz, Leicaflex SL or SL2, but not the “3rd Cam”or ROM lenses.
I have 3 Cam lenses and use them on my SL2 and it works perfectly.
The doc from KEH on Leica R Lenses is consistent with the Leica R WiKi site, and states: “A '3-cam' or 'triple cam' will work on all Leica SLR models”
Ah thank you. I read a few posts on what lenses can be used so thanks for the clarification. My 80-200 is a ROM lens so I will kep that for the Lumix S5.
This is correct! I'm currently using a 3-cam 50mm Summicron on my Leicaflex SL
Thanks Nick! I thought able getting a later E55 50mm to see how it compares to my current lens.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom No worries. Actually, unless there is a need for ROM lenses (designed for use on Leicaflex R Series and work on current Leica SLx Digital - as it communicates with the camera electronically) the 3-Cam lenses are the most universal - i.e. they work on all Leicaflex Cameras, but the additional Cams won't necessarily add any functionality not currently available on earlier 'flex' bodies
@@bradherman6242 thanks Brad! Good info.
I bought my Leicaflex SL about 8 years ago. I sent it to Sherry Krauter a couple of years back for a complete CLA and to get the meter recalibrated for today's batteries. I paid a little over US $150 for the camera body, which is in near mint condition, and then spent $450 for the CLA. LOL. Sherry had to replace some parts which is what drove the cost up. But it didn't matter to me, I just wanted to keep such a fabulous old camera in tip top working condition. BTW, my Leicaflex SL came with the split prism screen. That viewfinder is truly a joy to use.
I also have a new in the box R3MOT with drive, and my workhorse R5... along with 2 M cameras, 4 Barnack cameras, and too many R, M, & LTM lenses to count.
Don, the vintage Leica junkie
Thanks! Sounds like a nice collection :) Did you see my Leica R5 vs R7 video. You might be able to relate :)
The SL doesn’t have a manual mirror-up function, but they left it off because there was a geared cam that brought the mirror up to a gentle stop, no vibration.
Thanks yes I read that. I won’t need mirror-up so I’m ok for my work.
Thats why I like old nikon's because when you use the self timer the the mirror locks up when you press the shutter.
@@612morrison great tip thanks. I tend not to use this feature much so it’s good to know.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom no problem, anything your want to know just ask mate.
@@612morrison thanks 🙏🏻
If you think the film advance on the SL is good, you need to try a Topcon Super D / Beseler Topcon Super RE / Topcon Super DM.
Thanks for info! I know Topcons are solid but i've yet to use one
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom try one out! The Topcon lineup can be confusing.
Many people think they are some off brand, but they are most definitely not. They are every bit as nice as the Leica SLs (Film of course), and in many case much nicer. You need to make sure you’re getting your hands on the Topcon RE Super / Super D / Super DM though. Their other SLRs are not part of the professional line.
Topcon glass is also second to none. The cameras are also downright sexy. They have history and prominence too as they beat out the Nikon F for official US Navy use back in the 60s-80s.
I have two Leica M3s, one single and one double stroke. Also have a Leica SL. The Topcon film advance is smoother than all and the shutter sounds nicer and more satisfying than the Leica SL. It truly is a shame Topcon stopped innovating and fell out of relevance. But even as collectors items and a premium price right now, they are undervalued imho. Make sure to get your hands on one and get all of the glass you want before you make a video because I do believe once they are discovered value is going to shoot up to insane levels. The Topcor glass branded as “RE.Auto” is what you want. Don’t be tempted to get an adapter to mount the “UV.Topcor” stuff on an RE Super.
Did I say the cameras are freaking SEXY? Hah. Let me know if you have any other questions.
I own the standard original and picked up an SL for about $100 in great shape. Both cameras are well engineered and feel heavy. The SL feels more ergonomic compared to the original. The battery on the original was moved (I have no idea why it was in the front of the camera?). I must say that the SL loads and forwards film better than any film camera that I have ever used. I intend to try out some low ISO film tomorrow as a test run. I would compare it to a Topcon RE Super or 2 as far ergonomics and overall quality.
I originally purchased the Leica R lenses to be used with my Metabones speedbooster for Fujifilm X mount cameras. The performance is fantastic. I ended up buying an inexpensive Leicaflex (original) and ventured back into film photography with the R lenses.
The Leicaflex is still affordable. If you read some of the Leica magazines from the 1960's and 1970's, the Leicaflex was given equal footing with the M series.
Great yes these are so nice to advance and great value for a Leica.
I got one this week for 120 € including 1 yr warranty from a local dealer. Together with an Elmarit 35mm f/2.8 just 300€. Lots of fun to go back to the basics.
Now I will see, what I like more (Nikon FM2/FM3a or LeicaFlex SL).
So cheap!! The SL feels so much better to advance the shutter but the Nikon is probably more practical.
It’s hard to imagine now how innovative the Selective Light metering was in the SL. It was a 1st, and even with the semi-reflective mirror that passed some of the light through for the meter to function in this way, the finder brightness was a SLR revelation. It was a very well thought out camera, but unfortunately didn’t have all the ‘Pro’ features of a Nikon or Canon, and Leica was just trying to catch-up with the established SLR completion, And the original price didn’t help for folks making a living with their equipment. We’re lucky with low prices for todays film users, but watch out for prism deterioration (glue separation), and meter not working ;-9. on these 50+ year old cameras.
Thanks Robert, yes the light passing through the mirror is very clever. Sorry I should have mentioned that. Thanks for tips on possible problems and the other info. (Yes we are lucky they are so affordable today in Leica price terms).
I do not believe the SL was the first to have the pass-through mirror light. That would be the Topcon Super D / Beseler Topcon Super RE.
@@rawhides You beat me to this comment. The Topcon was definitely first with the light reading off the “semi-permeable” (my term) mirror.
You mentioned using a 1 cam on the SL. My understanding is that you can only use stop down metering then as that single cam is in the wrong position to activate the aperture lever in the body to communicate with the meter. The 2 can will work on both the original Standard Leicaflex and the SL. Without a working meter it really makes no difference though. I generally use a handheld meter or sunny 16 even on my working meter cameras.
Thanks Anthony. My meter is dead in mine so I’m not affected but good point. Yes 2 CAM are better.
Great review of this vintage camera! Something about them is irresistible. Thanks Matt!
Thanks Lucy! Yes I was happy to discover these cameras, albeit quite late in my Leica photography!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Better late than never! Enjoy!
The SL has a nice focus screen, corse center micro prism, and very fine outer (almost like ground-glass in use). The SL2 used a center split screen with outer corse micro prism ring (the combination I never liked), again finer micro prism outer full field. My favorite SL screen was a special order I had with a full ground glass with grid lines (the center ring was only to indicate meter area), great for lab micro photography and use with my 400mm, but I liked it as a general use screen too even if not as bright as the standard screen.
Great info Robert thanks. Yes the reason I went for the SL was the highly regarded viewfinder & screen. I need to be able to see to be happy. Micro prism is more effective that I could imagine.
Really informative as always, Matt.
Thanks Graham! :)
Beware. You may soon find several more and the SL2 in your cabinet. One of mine mysteriously acquired a rangefinder focusing screen somehow. Love the shutter sound. Fwooomp!
Thanks Jon haha, yes! I didn't even plan to buy it.. I found it looking at R lenses haha. Yes a really nice cloth shutter, I forgot to mention that. Sadly there was film still in the camera to finish so I could fire it off a lot in the video. I will do a follow up with sample photos :)
Matt- Leica R lens cams are a bit confusing. The first and second cam were to work with exposure on the Original Leicaflex and Leicaflex SL, respectively. Viewed from the back of the lens they are the siver sloped cams (when the red dot is at 12 0’clock) at 11 and 5 o’clock. Your 50 is from 1966 so itprobably originally has a single silver cam. It could have been subsequently upgraded to a two cam or three cam lens, retaining full original functionality. The third cam was added for the Leica R3 and is a small stubby black cam just inside the 5 o’clock cam at about 5:30. A three cam lens is fully compatible with any leicaflex or R with the exception of ROM function. Late in R production a third cam only version was added later with ROM settings. These 3rd cam only are the ones not compatible with your SL, the ROMs may not even mount (not sure about ROM). Your meterless SL should work fine with virtually any (excepting a Minolta-made zoom or two) one, two and three cam R lens. If the meter worked you could only meter stopped down with a single cam lens, which is no big deal.
For your style THE R lens to get for a Leicaflex SL is the 80/1.4 Summilux-R. I believe it is available in three cam and later versions. Get one with clean glass and barrel wear as it’s gonna cost you a pretty penny....
Hi Adam, good to hear from you and sorry for my late answer. Yes i've had a steep learning curve over the last few weeks! :) Thanks for your detailed answer and time. I checked, some have 1 silver slope + black square tab, some 2 silver slopes (opposite) + black square tab and the ROM ones are completely different. I hear the 80mm is nice but also the 90 f2 and 90 f2.8.. and the 100mm :S :)
Hey Matti good to see a video from you again.... I just wanted to inform that another very good Leica is the
Leica R3 Mot!!!
I was very lucky back then to use the Leica together with my NikonF2 AS....
I still have them...
Ofcourse this couldnt hold me up to use my Leica M4P for certain projects...
Thank you sooo much for reminding us all these Ever greens.... All good to you mate!!
Thanks Karl! Yes i'm still trying to pump out 2 new vids each week! I since bought th4e R5 too (and others) which is also excellent value. Cheers!
Still have my SL... works fine... the SL 70->210 and 80 Summilux 1.4 work on it and my M and SL@ digital bodies.
Great to hear Stuart, the 80mm Summilux..nice!! :)
Wow the best SLR camera ever made. Very nice.
Thanks William! If model pictures it was the R lenses to thank (and models!) if camera photos I recorded a Patreon video showing how I shot them, out this week.
I know I am commenting on a video that is a year old, but I wanted to emphasize what has already been stated below. I just acquired a Leicaflex SL with 4 lenses through and Ebay auction, and the 35 f2.8, 21 f4, and 70-210 f4 are all 3 cam lenses. I did not check the 400mm f6.8 Telyt, but the 35 and the 21 operate fine with the match needle metering as far as I can tell. I won't really know for sure until I get this roll of HP5 Plus developed, but I am confident they are ok with the SL. You gave me a scare because I was planning to be able to use these on my R7 as well. So far I am enjoying the SL much more than I expected. I will say my Nikon F3 film advance is at least as smooth, but that one is not cocking a shutter and providing mechanical power to operate the mirror. This makes the SL achievement all the more impressive! Cheers!
Thanks David, yes a beautiful camera for sure! Congrats on your new set.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks!
You said that three-cam lenses can't be use on the Leica SL, but I've hear they can. Please clarify
I think they mount fine but dont meter. Some lenses won’t fit (specific FL)
Thanks for your reply Matt. Your video inspired me enough to buy a pristine SL with 50mm Summicron from Japan -- not going to tell you the price I paid though! -- but I've been a diehard Leica user for the last 30+ years! Always enjoy your postings 🙏@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
Thanks for the review! I agree that the quality and build of the Leicaflex -- I have an SL2 -- and the R lenses are superb. The Summilux-R's -- the f1.4's -- though are generally quite expensive, likely due to the fact that they are popular as cine lenses. The 35mm f1.4 is especially bad, often running between $7k and $10k when it can even be found. But the Summicrons and the Elmarits are a lot more reasonable. The R lenses also work well on a Sony A3r and a Fuji GFX (in crop mode) with adapters. I also just discovered you can adapt them for use on a Leica M Mount -- which avoids the need to buy duplicate lenses.
Thanks D, yes i'm not even looking at 1.4 lenses in R mount ha. Yes you can use on M mount via M adapter. That's why if you saw my Lumix S5 video I bought a Novaflex R-M not R-L adapter (so I can mount directly to M or via M-L adapter to L mount).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Although I did discover that unfortunately the adapter is not rangefinder coupled so it's not helpful for the film M cameras.
@@dlyon9673 yes you can’t use R-M or M-M with RF sadly
How does the quality of glass and photos compare between the M and R lenses? Do they render the same?
See my lens shootout videos, not they’re not the same. Modern M are sharper to my eyes.
Beautiful video. I also have a Leicaflex SL and an R8.
However, but I may have misunderstood for my bad English, so apologies, a clarification on the optics and cams. I repeat, I also have an R8. In summary. One cam: only the first Leicaflex; two cams: Leicaflex, Leicaflex SL, Leicaflex SL2; three cams: Leicaflex SL, Leicaflex SL2, Leica R3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 (on the latter two there will be no communication between the lens and the dedicated flash, i.e. the flash will not know the focal length, it must be communicated manually) , I'm not sure of the functioning on the first Leicaflex, the one with the external cell, to understand. "Only R", i.e. the lenses that have ONLY the third cam, presented with the R3: R3, 4,5,6,7,8 and 9 (the latter two will lack communication between the lens and the dedicated flash), cannot be used with anyone Leicaflex. ROM: R3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 (advanced features flash only with R8 and 9). They cannot be used with anyone Leicaflex.
Thank you.
Hi Giovanni, sorry I missed this comment and thanks for the details on each lens 🙏🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom No problem. Thank You. A further clarification with three-cam lenses, the TTL flash of R4,5,6,7,8 and 9 works perfectly, as does the flash metering of the R8 and 9. Practically three-cam lenses can be considered as the "universal" optics for the Leica R system.
I have a Leicaflex SL2 Leitz: Leicaflex SL2 50 Jahre (50th Anniversary). And I want to sell it. It is perfect.
Please let me know if you can find the years when Leica R lenses had upgrades of the multicoating, thank you very much.
Hi, sorry RUclips decided this comment was spam but I just found it. My understand is the R lenses were continually improves from 1 can right to the very end, including early and late versions of the same lenses. ROM lenses have the best coatings, that's why they cost more.
Any recommendations on where to find lenses for Leica SL?
Hi Liam, I buy on eBay. Just be careful are some lenses won’t meter or won’t fit (24mm won’t fit)
Hi Liam, I buy on eBay. Just be careful are some lenses won’t meter or won’t fit (24mm won’t fit)
Definitely WOULD NOT say the SL2 is in any way worse than the SL. Most people prefer the SL2 for it's better metering and wider variety of useable lenses. There's always been talk online about the slight upgrades of the SL2 making it more prone to faults, but I've never heard of that in reality.
Go with the SL2 IMO.
Never heard anyone that knows what they're talking about say the SL2 had any money-saving cuts to its quality... probably just an internet rumour.
Thanks Chris! Sorry I wasn’t dissing the SL2. I hear they are great. I just sent for the crap one and then jumped straight to the R6 etc as I need the diopter to see!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom No worries! I wasn't offended, I just wanted people to be open to the SL2 :) Probably because I love mine.
@@ChrisOBrienMusic cheers Chris. I love all Leica :)
"WOULD NOT say the SL2 is in any way worse than the SL" - Correct ! Folks who make a 'lesser' quality statement, DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT‼
1st of all, I'm a Leica technician. 2nd, Matt should know that the Leicaflex SL2 has a standard Split-Image with a Microprism donut SCREEN (Amazing brightness & clarity). Finally and among other things, the SL2 is the FINEST SLR EVER MADE❗- In fact, if one tries to score a shutter gear with a SS Swiss tweezer, the gears can't be scratched❗Leica spared NO EXPENSE in manufacturing these jewels...
Those red plastic ones break. That advance feels great and the lens is crazy good!
Thanks yes I need to try to be gentle with it. Yes amazing lenses! Very happy to discover them.. albeit very late! :)
About the filters? I've got the SL and the Summicron but I'm not able to find the filters.
Yes can be less easy with some old lenses. Keep eye open on eBay.
Just searched for the batteries type cause I get one and only had only a "place holder" in the small cell tunnel.
I use mine full manual so I’ve not checked about batteries. Probably 2x LR44
There are Wein Cel alternatives to mercury batteries
Thanks David, yes I read this, thanks for confirming!
3-cam lenses do work on the SL (and the Standard too). Nice upload, great camera! Thx!
Thanks and for confirming! I just shot 8 rolls of colour film with it so new work coming soon (i'll make a video for it) + the R glass
Thanks for another great video - I believe that there is an R9 as well and its possible to get at CCD digiback for it. Rare though.
Thanks Morten! Ah yes nice thought!
What a gorgeous camera! I love my R6, but I really wouldn't mind a Leicaflex too :-)
And the 50mm Summilux R might be my favourite ever manual focus lens. It's just amazing.
Thanks Don! I looked at the R bodies last night! I’ll have to try to test a Summilux R one day if get the chance :)
Great review, just bought one, quick question does the Aperture change the meter inside the viewfinder? (Only if the battery is working?) thanks
Thanks! It depends on the lens. Read up on this. Some are 2-CAM, 3-CAM etc. (Easy way to check.. turn the aperture.. if the meter doesn't move then it's not working. Compare meter reading to digital camera or phone app)
My Nikon FE has the best wind on action of all my SLR's. The ball bearing sound is brilliant. Is this SL really better?
Ha yes much! I have the FE and many similar. Good cameras but not mechanical masterpiece like this and M3. Much heavier and more solid than these Nikons but less features etc
I use the Nikons as lighter, more features for travel
Matt I have a question. are Leica 35mm Elmarit 1 cam for the Leicaflex SL hard to find? I have an SL body and need a 35mm lens because my Elamrit 35mm and Summicron R does not allow me to meter correctly based on using my light meter. New batteries. Can you tell me which 35mm lens was made for the SL which allows it to meter correctly. Right now I have to press and hold the DoP button while I meter with both my lenses and its difficult. I thought researching a lens for the Leica fles SL would have been easier! Thanks!
Hi, I have the 35/2 Cron ..3 Cam I think. I don’t think my meter works so I’ve never looked. Maybe search old Leica websites for 35mm lenses made for the Flex cameras.
And as you mention the Leicaflex [along with Barnacks] have become the true ‘bargain’ in Leica photography. Check out the beautiful black paint SL prices for an original Leica BP and you get an idea.
Yes! I just wish some of the R glass was cheaper ha. (There are some deals though - 135mm for example). I still need to do a video on my black paint Barnack :)
Matt : this is another very very interesting video.
RS. Canada
Thanks Richard!
I really love my R8 with my 60 mm 2.8 macro lens. Shooting five inches away, really great for insect pictures
Thanks Bob, great. Yes I enjoy the 60mm macro. I still need to make a video for it.
Great to see that you are reviewing the cameras I want. I am (maybe was) on the hunt for Leicaflex SL2. It was a surprise that SL migh be a better camera. Better made? I have cameras from many manufacturers. But quite few from Nikon.. Great pictures again👍👍
Thanks yes it’s like M2 vs M3, SL & M3 both camera first, after they start to make cost cuttings on future models
mr. osborne, is not having a light meter a deal breaker for this camera? i’m using an iphone app as my light meter cause the metal portion in the battery broke off.
Hi, no not for me. I use many cameras without a lightmeter including this one.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you very much sir. You are but a few people who answer questions on the youtube comments section. I have started to shoot a roll of film without a light meter. Hope the negatives turn out well.
@@nooddles12 no problem! I still try to answer every comment on all 260 videos! 😅 Use sunny 16 rule if you get stuck with exposure.
Great video on a fine camera. I owned an SL and SL2 from new with lenses from 19mm to 250mm I was puzzled by your remark that the SL was better made than the SL2 - I noticed no difference in quality between them, indeed they replaced the grotty plastic lens release with a far better metal one. I think the Lenses are superb, especially the Canadian Mandler designs. Sadly the R cameras are no more probably due to lack of Autofocus although they focused manually far better than my Nikon AFD and S glass. I suspect that the choice of focusing screen and the rather long helicoid in the mount may account for this? As you note in a reply the 3 cam lenses work on the SL. All the third cam did was to enable both aperture and shutter speed to be seen in the finder of the SL2.
Thanks Gareth, I think in reality the SL & 2 feel the same but there were some cost cuttings after the original to try to make it more affordable to build. Both will be fine of course. Amazing to hear you’ve have them since new and those 19mm lenses are very sort after for cine guys especially. I’ve picked up a few more lenses so all that to come in future videos! :)
Thanks Gareth! SL vs SL2 is only what the fact pages say but they say the same M2 vs M3 and they feel very similar. More videos to come on these lenses and cameras I think. Love the lenses!
Are you sure about 3Cam lenses not working on the SL? Some in the forums say they work, only the camera is not meassuring anything. I am going to find out find out as I ordered a Leicaflex SL yesterday 😊. Will be fun to compare with the R8, which seems to me like the most well made camera I have had.
Thanks Kim! The advantage of being a Patreon! You knew about the SL in advance! :) Yes i#ll be interested to hear your thoughts verses your R8 that you enjoy. Nice! Yes sorry someone else also confirmed about 3 cam lenses. Apparently they can so sorry I got it wrong.
Some more SLR brands:
Agfa
Agiflex
Alpa
Braun
Chinon
Cosina
Fuji
Exakta
Kalimar
Kodak
Konica
Kowaa
Minolta
Miranda
Opemus
Pallas
Pentacon
Petri
Praktica
Ricoh
Rollei
Start
Topcon
Voigtländer
Wray
Yashica
Zeiss Ikon
Zenit
Ha thanks Jaco, I’m mostly Leica but I’ve done quite a few Nikon vids too
I've just added a mint FM2n to my collection
Congrats! The Nikons offer a lot of functions and usability for the money. I'm still a Nikon SLR fan and will use those bodies if I travel as lighter.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom and since that last message guess what arrived lol, a "non working" FE2. Funny what happens when you put 2 batteries in and give it a clean 🤔 😉 IT'S NOW WORKING OK, it needs a focusing screen and the light seals replaced but at £50 yes £50 including p&p that's one heck of a bargain 😀.
@@612morrisongreat find for someone like yourself that is happy to patch it back up. A nice screen costs nearly that much from memory (£40 when I looked to get one after the Nikon video)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 🤔 well it just so happens that the donner FA I have for the parts to replace (still not done yet) the viewfinder lcd in the almost mint FA that i got cheap (as always ) has a B2 focusing screen, which will do for now because being optically challenged like yourself 👓 I would rather have the K2 with the split focus circle. And this FE2 actually cleaned up rather nicely, ok it's not mint but the works 100%.
@@612morrison nice yes I use K2 screens in mine too
Waiting for a possible Minolta XE video next which basically shares with the Leica R3.
Thanks! I did share a similar video in the past, can't remember which Minolta it was but not the X300. If you search Minolta you'll see it.
Excellent Video!! Should we pay attention to the batteries we use for this camera? What model of batteries do you use for this camera? Thank you.
Thank you Eric! These are manual cameras so you don't need a battery unless you use the light meter. Mine is broken so I don't need any batteries so that makes it very easy and more likely to last a lot longer :)
For the lightmeter only, you can use a LR44 with a reduction adapter, works most of the time.
Great video Matt, I also got myself an SL2 recently for a bargain as the light meter was dead and the exterior was well worn but mechanically perfect . I also managed to grab a Leica Elmarit R 28mm lens cheap as it had a small scratch on front element but images are fine for me :)
Thanks Hayder! Congrats on the SL2 and especially on the 28mm!! Those lenses are not cheap! (Most of the desirable R lenses seem quite hard to find).
Excellent camera! You certainly feel it in your hand!!
Thanks Manuel! Yes for sure but it's so nice to use you have to pick it up ha :)
Have you ever used a Exakta 28/50 carl zelss lens camrea?
Hi Anthony, i've not. I know of them and my understand is they usually don't work? :) ..but good lenses
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hi Matt. Take Anthony's advice and give the Zeiss Jena f2.8 50mm Tessar (Greek for four) a try. You can easily find them in M42 and Exakta mounts for very little outlay. The Tessar, from a historical prospective, was probably the most important lens development in history. It took photography to the next level in sharpness and affordability. Its nickname was "Eagle Eye." While somewhat soft wide open, at 5.6 and 8 it produces stunning images. The four element lens design is limited to f2.8, but this was huge step forward in the early 20th Century. There is a controversy that the Leitz Elmar is sort of a rip off of the Tessar, which to my untrained eyes looks plausible from the schematics of the two lenses. On the other hand there are only so many ways that you can arrange 4 elements. It is surprising how many great lenses use the Tessar design like the great Voightlander Color Skopar. As far as not working, many Tessar lenses were made in the 1940s, 50s and 60s. So they are at least 60 to 80 years old. And you are are not going to convince me that the Communist East Germans didn't use Siberian musk ox grease as the main lubricant. But good Tessars are out out there and easy to obtain in good working order. Besides Zeiss Jena, Zeiss Ikon (Stuttgart) produced their own interchangeable Tessars for the Icarex and Contarex cameras and of course the Tessar was the main lens on their long lived Contaflex series. Another controversary is which Zeiss company, East or West Germany, produced the best Zeiss Tessar. Both are great. Again, thanks for your videos and "down home" style.
@@tomredd9025 thanks Tom! I have quite a few lenses so some are Tessar design. I did buy a Tessar 5cm for my Contax but I got a bad copy so it went back.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Oh too bad you got a bad copy. That Tessar is supposed to one of the very best. I have read that the 50mm f3.5 Tessar made in the fifties for the Contax IIa and IIIa is an incredibly sharp lens and is really sought after. It is quite expensive.
@@tomredd9025 yes normally expensive, beautiful lens but mine had been messed about with so looked great but not sharp at any aperture sadly.
Hey.. i just watched your latest video… does SL (or SL2) have mirror lock up?
Hi, thanks. The Leicaflex SL and SL2 have no mirror lock-up control
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks for your reply
Interesting enough is the 135mm 2.8 R lens the same lens construction as the 135mm 2.8 M lens (with glasses).
Thanks Bart! Good point, I did read that actually. My 50 R looks different to my 50 M lenses though, a bit smoother perhaps, less sharp, less contrast wide open but more that useable for my work.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom supposedly the 50 Summicron-R v1 (your lens) is much like the Summicron-M v3, and the Summicron-R v2 similar to the 50 Summicron-R v4. No personal experience...
The LUMIX did a great job on this video
Thanks! I still wasn’t happy with how the lens rendered the background so look out for the next video and let me know what you think :)
wow nice camera and very good review. It is a discovery for me... Did not know Leica has such a good SLR camera... Thanks... Maybe I'll try one so I 'll be able to test some R lenses ...
Thanks Jerome, yes I think these cameras and lenses offer a more affordable way to shoot Leica for people and for us a way to try different Leica glass! :) Drop me a message on Patreon as usual if want help on anything.
I like this camera but if I want the best film SLR I would get the Nikon F6 Like you I shot Nikon for years and have the F100
and the F3HP. I still use Nikon lwnses on a Digital D780.
Matt I wonder if you sometime would test this SL vs. the F6. The D780 is still an SLR but digital and has improved Live view
can take all the Nikon legacy lenses without adapters. I have the Leica digital SL2 and Digital CL. I wish Leica would
rename its digital products so they are not confused with previous film cameras.
Thanks, I don't think you can compare the simple old SL vs super modern F6. The SL will win for build the F6 for those that like mod cons and more automated. I like the older Nikon bodies, I have 9 I think up to the F5 but used the smaller manual ones mostly. Yes agree on naming! I used 2 CLs a few days ago :)
no photos??
Yes many, watch the second video. I take a trip to Brighton and shoot a pile of film.
Lovely clean copy of this camera
Thanks Ronald! Yes I got lucky with this on eBay.
Actually, the R4 is also an under rated and very cheap camera for the price, size, weight and build quality
You should try it
Thanks Ronald, good tip! If I get chance I will do thanks.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
Hey Matt
the R4 is far more refined smaller and features aperture and shutter priorities as well as manual mode but you need a3 cam lenses for these additional features
The R6.2 the most desirable of the series was the same exterior all mechanical and made in Germany but costs 3 times as much
Good luck with it 😀
@@ronaldsand3000 thanks Ronald, I tend to only use manual mode on cameras so often look for the most manual cameras. That said if the R4 is 3x cheaper I could be tempted :) Yes it's a pity the lenses are not more compatible across the series. Cheers!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
Matt
With an R to L adaptor you get can use all the R lenses on your digital CL or a digital SL or SL2 if you get one
These are becoming very popular by those wanting more character, cheaper cost, smaller size and focal lengths or features such as macro the current full frame L lenses don’t provide
Unfortunately many enthusiasts and movie producers are buying them up so their cost is increasing all the time, specially the fast ones like the 50mm and 80mm f1.4’s
They were in their hey day top shelf camera’s and lenses. The bodies are very much overlooked by many and as such are really cheap
The build quality of the R4 vs the Nikon FA (which had equivalent features) is no contest I have to admit, even though I’m an absolute Nikon fan boy
All the very best
@@ronaldsand3000 thanks! I’ve been doing sone reading so I’ll keep you posted ;) If you say the R4 are nicely made too that sounds good. Yes I bought the R lenses for my LUMIX S5 (like a Leica SL2-S a bit but will try on CL too). Partly my interest in R bodies is to use my 80-200 ROM lens.
Mr. Leica, WHERE do you find these cameras?
EBay! ..normally when I’m not looking for them ha. Found this looking at R lenses! 😆
How much did you pay for your SL Matt ?
Hi David, I got a good price (I thought) as the light meter didn't work. £200 or less seems good currently.
..I know price much higher now than a few years ago*
Many thanks Matt
Matt, I TOO got a Leicaflex original a week ago. But I have no lenses because damn hipsters bought up all the R lenses to put on their mirrorless bodies to shoot videos. So now, I just flipping about the film advance lever and firing the shutter; pretending I am shooting photos. This is my first Leica and man it is a proper photo taking machine. Build better than the F2. By the way, can you compare the best of Nikon i.e. the 55mm micro to these Leica and Carl Zesis lenses?
Congrats Michael! Beautifully made isnt it. Yes sadly the video guys have beat us too the lenses. Look for a 135mm, I think they are the cheapest, or an older 50 like mine, second cheapest perhaps. I think Nikon Micro will be sharper for sure but I enjoy the rendering with these R lenses.
I have a Leicaflex SL2 Leitz: Leicaflex SL2 50 Jahre (50th Anniversary). And I want to sell it. It is perfect.
Very nice. Maybe speak to your local camera shop
I was offered a Leica SL some years back. The worst decay ever! Mirror and pentaprism, dropping flakes, like trees in Fall. Shutter erratic. Often need new shutter drum. Glad your OK. The beauty of Japanese cameras, is better workmanship, easy to repair or replace. I wasn't impressed when they were new..
Thanks Jason, yes most people agree a Nikon will out shoot a Leica SLR from the same period. Luckily I have Nikon too
Awesome fotos!
Thanks! Great lenses! I’ll try to do a follow up video to share some film images with the camera.
Watching this video gives me a serious GAS attack symptoms.
Yes sorry! Sharing my own GAS purchases probably isn't helpful but I love discovering amazing cameras and lower prices! :) ..for Leica prices..
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaComLove your reviews!
Love Matt’s videos too but he is the worst for a bad GAS attack. I was on eBay before the video had even finished 😁
@@mattdavis9986 haha sorry Matt, I know, I think I feel better sharing my own GAS but then it backfires as everyone buys the stuff I want to get ha 🙈😆
@ Mercury battery issue I found a video that explains how, one can substitute with hearing aid batteries! He also addresses important points about voltage, however the video is 9 years old, so it might be advisable to check if the hearing aid batteries of today still deliver around 1.3 Volts.
ruclips.net/video/OMbzXVO3vRY/видео.html
Thanks for sharing!
I've got an SL and I'm not too impressed with it. there are plenty of other 60s & 70s SLRs that do what this camera can do and more for much less.
Thanks Jerald, I use cheaper SLR too - Nikon’s, Minolta etc. the Flex is the best built but you can make photos with any camera.
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Absolutely! :)
As always an interesting and enjoyable video. I am far from a big Leica fan but when I was in High School, the original Leicaflex (the model before the SL) was always held up as something that poor student that I was could aspire to. I am presently looking for a good original Leicaflex body that is in good condition, with a working meter AND a cheap price like you got. At a photo show, I bought for a buck or two a Leicaflex 2 cam T4 adapter. This will allow me to use all my $10 Soligor and Vivitar T4 lenses, which always outperform their cheap price and reputation. It will be fun to walk around with a Leica but not worry about losing anything that cost $4,000 and anyway no one will really be able to tell the difference between the Leica and T4 lenses. Fun video!
Thanks Tom! I hope you find a nice SL :) Yes you get to walk round with a nice Leica and not worry that it is a £2K M6 too! :) ..AND the photos will probably look similar on film :) I will try to do a Leica M vs Leica R shoot out when I get chance. To see if I can see a difference.
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You might need to explain!?
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I meant your SL video gave me the idea to also get an SL body, plus a Tamron/Leicaflex adapter. So now I can use my existing Tamron Adaptall lenses on the Leicaflex. I have had a Tamron 90mm macro for many years, around 40, and a 35-70 zoom. Not Leica glass I know but the prices are mostly outside my comfort zone. But I have ordered a "cheap" 50mm Summicron.
(I'm not sure where the 039 stuff came from, I was trying to include a pic of my SL with a Tamron zoom attached, but the pic just would not paste, so I think the time of 0:39 am registered instead)
My parents managed to find one in a thrift store for 10 euros 0__0
Amazing!!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom im still in awe. And like you say it still holds up beautifully today. Its built so well. Even my nikon fe isnt made this well.
@@fallyn2920 enjoy!
Very good camera, Leitz Camera lost money on every Leicaflex they made.
Thanks, yes I read this - it made me want to buy the camera even more. :) (I saw someone describe it as the camera the engineers made not the accountants! (no cost limitations, just build the best!) :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I remember in 1975 I dreamt of a Leicaflex until I saw the price tag :D I will recommend the Leicaflex cameras as some of the very best of all time, there are also the ALPA cameras, but there are more Leica R Lenses to have, the 135mm are a very good Lens.
@@cameraprepper7938 thanks! I’d quite like a wide lens too, like 24mm but they are more expensive I see. 135 offer great value I think.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom The 24mm 2.8 Elmarit-R is a very good Lens with excellent image quality and low vignetting. It is designed by Minolta (which may be why we see so good Sony Lenses today). Some of my friends who are professional photographers are very happy with the 24mm Leica R Lens.
The back focus distance of the 24mm is less than with most others Leica R Lenses, which makes it unsuitable for earlier Leicaflex cameras.
@@cameraprepper7938 I have the Minolta 24mm actually so I’m interested to see how the Leica 24mm compares...when it arrives tomorrow 🙄 ..I found one cheap so thought would try but thanks for note re SL.
One of the worst "camera sytems" ever
Thanks, I actually quite like it! :)