Wide-Cab Locomotives
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- Опубликовано: 31 авг 2022
- These days, North American road diesel locomotives really only have two shapes. Electro-Motive-Division/Progress Rail's newest freight diesels have a more squared off, notched nose whereas General Electric's locomotives have more angular noses. A commonality both have are two windows for the crew, and a wide nose that takes up the width of the frame. I thought the question "what was the first locomotive to use the aesthetics that gave us the modern SD70ACe-T4 and ET44AC" would be a cool thing to answer. In this video I take a brief look at the history of the wide-cab locomotive, and give an answer as to why so many North American diesel locomotives look the way they do.
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Had to reupload this because I put the wrong picture up when mentioning the C40-8W lol, sorry about that!
it's All Great, l hope do the Rolling Stock of Amtrak in Future
union pacific dash 9
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Nah he should to hhp 8 for engines of Amtrak
I hadn’t saw this mistake in the old video, since I didn’t watched it.
I've always preferred the standard cab, aesthetically. But can certainly relate to the benefits of the "wide" cab. I've been in the front of a standard GP30 and there isn't a ton of room in there.
Should’ve seen how bad the standard dash 8’s were. God awful locomotives and god awful cabs.
I’ll gladly take anything widecab leading.
no thanks they looked like they ate a 379 then still decided to be a train
Same
My preference is for the standard cab, I like the boxier look with the rails, and the idea of being able to walk right out around the front of the locomotive is very cool to me
In the 90s we used to say "oh wow a wide cab!" Nowadays its the exact opposite lol. Living by bnsf/up, its all we see
Wide cabs are aesthetically one of my favorite freight locomotive designs. Given that I grew up in Canada with my grandma's house being close to some tracks, Canadian Pacific wide-cab locomotives are a common sight. Also, I heard that a battery-powered locomotive proposed to Canadian Pacific and other North American train companies would still use the wide cab design, keeping the traditional look while using different powering methods.
wide cabs speak to you
I would prefer a traditional electric locomotive powered by overhead lines, only with a wide cab, rather than this battery nonsense.
Great video, it's straight to the point, short n simple, just overall a nice video. Good job Jared!
A rather short, but very informative episode. Great for explaining the origins of this now common design.
I think the wide cabs look so much better. The standard cabs are too utilitarian, IMO.
They don't call standard cabs "Spartan cabs" for no reason lol
Both Standard and Wide Cabs are good in my opinion
The widecab on the C40-8W and C44-9W are my favorite style cabs
Thanks for the video. Wish there could have been more detailed photos or diagrams of the interior layout. Always wanted to see a video of the inside of the cabs and some diagrams or blueprints showing the different configurations and features inside the cab and the nose. I understand it isn't 5 star accommodations but a small toilet and galley sure help on long shifts.
Yes, I think that would help clarify the reason it's called "wide cab" instead of "wide nose".
TBH I prefer the looks of the standard cab. The old GP38 and GP40-2 being two of my favorite engines
Although you stated the GP38-2W was the first to have the Canadian Comfort Cab, I think the M-420W beat it out by just a few weeks from what I've seen online as people have seemed to state this at least a few times when the question of the first Canadian Comfort Cab has come up (though both might as well be credited with being the first given the close proximity of delivery)
Those M-420's that Alco made were as spartan as you could get the side panels on the cab interiors were peg board Try switching with those units you were always using your independent brake or your train line in order to spot cars
Canadian National and their employees (we used to have a locomotive cab committee with both management and union members) designed the original Canadian comfort/safety cab after several accidents where crews were injured or killed. CN never bought another new standard cab locomotive, and this design formed the basis for both the EMD and GE safety cabs. The earlier EMD FP45 design was strictly for appearance as you mentioned, and was not any stronger than contemporary standard or 'spartan' cabs.
As always, a great and informative train video. Keep up the great work Amtrakguy!
This video feels way longer than 2m 51s. Great job. Short, Sweet, And To The Point. Just the way all explanations should be.
Fantastic, and I love your use of footage from 'There Goes a Train' @ 0:30. That video is such a nostalgic classic that I watched over and over again on VHS back in the day.
I like the illustration summarizing the evolution.
Short, informative, no fluff... great video... great format... hopefully other video producers follow suit. Thank you.
Love the Canadian comfort cab locomotives. Not too much the modern wide cabs. . I love the standard cabs because I grew up seeing them . Great video. Really enjoyed it. Can you do a video on Amtrak Sunset Limited?? Keep the videos coming
Nice vid! I’m British and I’ve been wondering quite a few things about American trains, and I didn’t know that there was two types of nose cones on the Locos
GOOD VIDEO MATE!
I was never one for learning extremely specific details about trains but RUclips decided I should.
Excellent video here, thoroughly researched and very informative
Mand the EMC EA/EB looks amazing. Love the art deco style; shame it didnt get very far.
My dad started his career at CN around '70 I think. He was only 17 but said he was 18 😆 He couldn't wait to retire back in '08. I'm glad he's been able to enjoy retirement as many of his friends weren't so fortunate.
Milwaukee Road had 5 FP45 delivered in 1967. Transferred to freight service in 1971. Retired in the early 1980's.
Thanks for the carnival music, I couldn't watch without it!
Interestingly, if you look close at EMD's first modern safety cab, the three window "triclops" design, it is a direct copy dimensionally of CN's design just with a revised front window arrangement, and other small insignificant details altered.
I like the iais diesel at the end, they look nice.
Nice bit, AmtrakGuy365! Thanks!
Canadian comfort cab is still by far my favorite
Great work dude!
The FP/F45's were peak EMD
The Fp45 is a gem of the rails and the best looking wide cab besides the streamlined era
I enjoyed this video like most of your videos, but I don't know what game it was from but your credit roll music was nightmare fuel lol
We have a handful of old CN GP40-2Ws floating around Northern Colorado as part of the Great Western Railroad of Colorado fleet.
Awesome thanks for the video hope everything does well
Meanwhile in the UK we've always had a wide cab, the real innovation was dual ended locomotives that have cabs on both ends...
Man i love our modern trains they look so good.
Haha, oh how I remember that footage from "There Goes A Train" so incredibly well!
The FP45 style cab was also used in Australia on the Victorian Railways C class
2:28 is by the Quaker Oats plant in Cedar Rapids, IA, featuring Iowa Northern power (including a slug, which they seem to use a lot of). Not really relevant but I hardly ever recognize locations that easily.
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0:50 That's the first colour photo I've seen of the original black numbers on the CN comfort cab.
Another great short video
Love the Mario music in the background...
That super mario rpg music ~💜
Awesome Video!
Ok got to the house. Time to watch.
Great job on this video
The super Mario theme.
Considering Siemens and Stadler making waves in the American passenger market, I wonder if more European designs for freight locos will be adopted in the future, being seen as more modern and up to date.
Good video , yes ! The wide nose safety cab design looks great but I will always love the standard cab look. Do I hear Super Mario Bros music in the background ? Thanks AmtrakGuy 😁👍
Would be interesting to hear a deeper dive into hood/cab configurations and why some layouts are more popular than others in different parts of the world. For example in the US, most locomotives use single wide cabs. But in Europe most freight locomotives have a two-cab design, models like the Class 66 even convert a single-cab design into having two cabs. And that's even before we get into box cabs and steeple cabs.
The twin-cab design lends itself to rapid turnaround at railheads without having to use a turntable or wye and gives better visibility for the crew (at a cost of level-crossing collision protection).
The Class 59/66 were not based on any existing locomotives. They share the same radial-steer trucks but use different engines and frames, and were clean sheet of paper designs built to specific British loading gauge and weight restrictions. The American manufacturers (Alco included) designed specific export units for European and other customers; even a "lightweight" American locomotive would be far too heavy for many European applications.
If you want to see a really good illustration of how a European manufacturer would design an engine using American components, take a look at NOHAB's MY and MZ locos made for the Danish railways and compare them to their FA and SD40 counterparts.
@@rallymodeller The 66 is a original design. I heard the class 59 is a SD 40 with a new body slapped on.
I wish someone could re-create that EMC EA cab for passenger locomotives - it would be a great call-back but house modern diesels for efficiency.
Nice video!
Hey Amtrak guy!!
It's great to see that Canada (my home country) was able to claim at least one important railroad invention - along with the so-called "ditch lights"
1:05 "With a reinforced nose incase of a collision"
The 1986 Hinton train collision has something to say about that..
What is not mentioned here is the nose door, usually off-center to the left or right of the central headlight. Apparently making this door tall enough was the reason behind the more recent angular nose of EMD locomotives.
In Australia, our new locomotives don't have a nose, but terminate with a short stubby shelf just under the windows
wonder whether that's a crashworthiness thing. When those two G class crashed in 1999, it didn't go well for the crew, tragically. Would a CL class bulldog cab or a WA L class with its spartan cab have provided more protection, i couldn't say.
Hard to tell, but it probably couldn't be worse than having a flat face to the locomotives.
Awesome!
My fav wide cab is the emd fp45 since it is an underrated diesel engine and i am a bit biased since i own a mth railking one
other than that amtrak guy makes amazing content
You should have put the Mk5000c as a reference in the Wide cab's used over time and the Norfolk southern dash8.5cw cab too
I dont get why they dont make the F style locomotives anymore, that aerodynamic look always impressed me. I get that the new locos provide rearward views that the F series did not, however I think that is a problem easily remedied with design choices behind the cab to provide better views.
They still, but mostly for passenger locomotive thats what F unit supposed to do
A lot of railroaders call them widebodies, or at least that is what everyone where I work calls them.
The EMD FP45 & F45 diesels were fine Cowl Units.
If only Cowl Units could be built Today.
If the Alaska-Alberta Railway ever becomes a Thing, Cowl Units should be implemented because of the extreme temperatures of the Far North.
Also, the EMD SD60M/SD60I, SD60MAC, SD70M/SD70I, SD70MAC, SD75M/SD75I, SD80MAC, and the SD90MAC wide cab is my personal Favorite. I would love to see a Cowl Unit diesel with that style of Cab.
Since you touched on the CCC, are you going to follow up with a short on the Draper Taper full-bodies and their US counterparts?
nice
You forgot to mention the three window widecabs, nicknamed "Triclops"
Now this is my kinda channel
Nice..
That’s for this little short
Nice clip from There Goes A Train! At 0:30
Awesome
😮I had no idea
Does anyone like the modern North American streamlined diesel electric train engine locomotives and the modern North American Dash 9 diesel electric train engine locomotives?
I drive in Australia and be buggered if I'd want anything like 4 windows or and thing Infront of my can. I sit about 3 feet from the cow catcher and have a clear field of view.
Was it a reupload?
Will you please make a video bout high hood locomotives
*W I D E C A B*
the no cab is the future
The First Wide cab was actually the DDA40X BTW. The FP45/F45 were standard cowl units.
The DDA40X came a year after the FP45/F45.
The NS crescent cab is very beautfull betwen wide cabs, afortunated not have here in brazil.
The canadian wide cabs also are beault, for me have more "train face" in the world.
What about the DDA-40x cabs? Didn't they predate just about anything on that list?
Nope, as they were made 2 years (1969) after the wide cabs came out.
Can someone please explain the point of the nose? Are there engine components in there? It seems like they aren't needed, most diesel locomotives on in other countries have a flat front
But You forget the Legendary BN triclops SD60
my first thought to seeing the title was literally:are just better
Hmm, they are pretty
W I D E C A B
I think I read somewhere that this wide cab design was mandated by FRA? Can anyone confirm and if true why the FRA mandated it?
Cn also has es44dc teardrop windows
The interesting thing about locomotive cabs is how WHY IS THE BACKGROUND MUSIC THE SUPER MARIO BROS THEME?
Who took the video in port huron aka Saint clair tunnel
I've always wondered whether locomotive designs in North America will ever shift to flatter cab ends like you see in Europe, Australia, or many other countries. It always seemed weird to me that we're still using designs with the nose on freight locomotives.
American locomotives are generally much heavier -- about 200-220t, compared to about 100-120t for European locomotives. They need the weight for adhesion, so they may as well have a bit more stuff in front of the cab for better crash protection. In Europe, adding that extra weight would make the locomotive too heavy.
The noses are there for collision protection. The US crash safety standards are much more stringent than anywhere else in the world. It's why all of our High Speed trains (The current Acela and the new Acela) are never just European designs brought over here. They are heavily modified to be safer in collisions. So they are much heavier as well.
@@FFred-us9tw Are the crash safety standards really higher than elsewhere? Or is it just that your trains are heavier so you need more protection? I ask because, if you compare deaths per passenger mile for the US vs other countries, you find that you're a long, long way behind places like Japan and Germany, far behind places like the UK and France, and about on a par with places like Bulgaria.
@@beeble2003 The current Acela is similar to the TGV in many aspects and it shares many parts. But the power cars are much heavier due to added collision protection and the specifications of heavier steel for protection. Our current high speed electric locomotive fleet is the Eurosprinter but with added collision protection. So it is now heavier than the European version. So no, they don't have better collision protection because the trains are heavier. The heavier weight IS from the collision protection.
And don't compare "Deaths per passenger mile". That is a typical cop-out to hide the true death tolls. Amtrak is a little over 50 years old. In total, we have had around 200 passengers killed in Amtrak crashes and of those 200, far less were any fault of Amtrak (Not Amtrak's fault if an outside force or host railroad makes a mistake). Meanwhile if you go back the last 50 years in Japan, China, Germany, Spain, the UK and India ALL have MUCH higher death tolls from crashes than Amtrak has had in it's 50 year history. Amtrak's worst death toll from a single event was 47. The 2nd worse was 16, then 11. In total only 5 crashes had death tolls above single digits. Meanwhile Germany, Japan and Spain had crashes in the last 25 years alone that killed over a 100 people in a single event. So please don't say the US is behind in rail safety. If it was then explain the facts i just posted.
@@FFred-us9tw Right but a train in Europe isn't going to collide with a 200-ton freight locomotive. Which is precisely the point that I raised.
Deaths per passenger mile is not a cop-out _at all._ It is absolutely the right statistic to use, because it factors in the number of trains that are being run and the amount of time people are spending on them. If a million people use trains and ten die, that's probably a much safer system than one in which a thousand people use trains and one dies. If I take a train from Chicago to San Francisco, I'm obviously more likely to die than if I get off that train at Galesburg or wherever else that train stops in Illinois.
The US performs well in terms of total fatalities simply because there are so few passenger trains in the US compared to any of the other countries I mentioned. There are four railway stations in the UK that each had more passengers in 2021 than the whole Amtrak network. Amtrak carries less than 100,000 passengers a day; UK trains had over a million per day in 2021, even though the UK has only about one fifth the population of the USA.
We wide cabs are taking over…
Is that music from Super Mario ?
lol it's the super mario music!
Actually a slight error, Thunder Cabs. These cabs are of EMD origin and worn by all SD70M-2s, along with the AC variants. It's more a sub-type of cab, considering they have a similar appearance to wide-cabs. Ironically I hate thunder cabs the most, they just look really ugly to me, which is the reason I hate most SD70 variants apart from the SD70 base and SD70M. Canadian Safety Cabs will always be my favorite, being a mix of a wide-cab and a standard-cab.
Ik wide cabs are better and more comfortable but I prefer the look of hoods. Hell high hoods are my favorite.
GP7 and GP9 👍
On Conrail, we call them "Wide bodies"
1:04 pretty smart