Why did Romani people leave India? | Romani history by a Romani person pt. 1
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- As promised for 10k subscribers, here is my first ever full-length youtube video!!! I am so excited for you all to see this, this is one of my most frequently asked questions and I put a lot of effort into this so please hit the like button and let me know if you’d like more videos in the future! Love you all :)
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
0:28 Origins
2:28 Leaving India
3:52 Mahmud of Ghazni
4:59 Caste oppression
6:14 Conclusion
I am from India , I get emotional everytime I see your shorts or videos becoz I can still see the India in your culture that u preserved for so long
Send this video to neo budhist 😂😂, caste issue will be solved in seconds
We should preserve our own Indian culture first , you can see the ignorance of India youth about our culture now a days.
Culture of caste based oppression? Based
@@free_palestine786 R e mulle apne raste chal. You didn't even see the whole video. Racist.
@@shivkumar0810 naah! Those issues (if at all those r issues!!) are carved carefully with lots of foreign funds for spreading certain agenda .
So , no thank u! we r not interested in reality n truth .
I belong to the Lohar sect of Hinduism too. We have a long tradition of doing blacksmith work, and still to this day, our family has the tools my forefathers used to use. It's nice to hear your story. Romani people need recognition from the Indian government.
Why? Didn't they leave India??
@@free_palestine786 so weren't the so called chosen ppl of an arab god called allah also wanted to leave india but still stayed back like hypocrite oppurtunitists that they are.
@@free_palestine786 not everybody left India
Brother ,Lohar is a Caste Group not Sect . Shaiv,Vaishnav,Shaktism/Shakt are most important sects of Hinduism.
Why Lohar (Ironsmiths) who are highly valued internationally need to leave India. Lohar were highly valued especially during turbulent times in India.
I'm from South India. In our language Telugu we call you as "Dommari" "Dommarollu" "Dommarivallu" we respect you people. During Durga puja, Sankranthi (harvest festival) Ugadhi (Telugu new year) You people have great importance. Your language is like Indian not european even after 1000 yrs of cut-off from Us.
In Telugu they are also called as lambadollu.
@@secularismmyfootjusticefor2782 Lambadis are different caste. They are sibling caste of Marwari.
@@saishashi9978 oh didn't know about that, thank you 🙏.
@@secularismmyfootjusticefor2782 secularism for dangerous.
Romani migrants from 8th -13th century during Mohammad bin Qasim , Mohamad gauri
Sex slave, rape , murder
Take care unity hindu
Read book
Hindu Sex slave conversion by muslim read book 📖
I'm from orthodox hindu 💪
Talking about castes in 2023 lol sheeesh
yesterday was ww 2 memorial day in the netherlands, and there was a Romani girl that spoke about her grandparents being forced to perform for nazis and then being taken away to concentration camps. it's such a heartbreaking story, but one of the few I've actually heard about the roma or sinti in ww2. So I am glad that this video popped up on my time line, I actually never knew Roma were of Indian descent. Thanks for spreading your people's story
My Italian grandparents told me of the Romani taken to concentration camps in Nazi Germany during WW II. It's so incredibly sad.
I also never knew that the Romani people originated in India. Sadly in School we where never really thought about them, which I suppose isn't a surprise.
I am German, and this story is so incredibly sad. Not only that the Nazis killed Millions of people, but that also some of them enjoyed to mock them and be cruel to them before they died, and enjoyed to do so. It's an example of how evil humans can be.
I deeply apologize on behalf of my nation, and my own direct ancestors. I am very happy that in the last few years, our country took in a lot of refugees from all over the world, most recently from Ukraine. Because this is something good we can do to. Plus-when the Nazis would hate it, it's the right thing to do.
The things that happened to those girls family must not ever repeat
@@blackhagalaz I commend you and I deeply apologize, as an American, to all African Americans for the institution of slavery that white Americans imposed on them.
LIVING BEING IS OUR RACE,MANKIND IS OUR RELIGION HINDU,MUSLIM,SIKH,CRISTAIN,THERE IS NO SEPARATE RELIGION
ALMIGHTY GOD KABIR is the father of all souls that JESUS, MOHAMMAD, GURU NANAK, VEDH was telling in BIBLE, QURAN, GURU GRANTHA SAHEB
SAINT RAMPALJI MAHARAJ is the present MESSENGER of ALMIGHTY KABIR
As a Jewish person, hearing the story of your people brings me to tears. It’s truly a tale of resilience, perseverance, and strength that I admire so much. It’s wonderful your people have resisted assimilation and preserved your culture so well for thousands of years. Shalom to you all
Can't be said the same for the Jews in Israel that came from Europe, your DNA tests say you're full European and the Palestines are the true Jews
Difference is that the Jews were persecuted because of envy: they were richer, more powerful and more educated than others, while Romas were the exact opposite and we all know why they were and still are discriminated
Roma Migration started occurring during Ghaznavid Invasion of India, While slavery existed much of its support was derived from Islam& Islamic countries, its common knowledge Islamic invasion scale was so large and brutal that the huge number of people were enslaved from India which created as entire race of people.
@@raconteurhermit1533
It is very probable that you are biased with foreign missionaries / jesuits agents of European Christian countries to exploit the world regions that don't belong to them in 14.-15. century and on. İslam prohibits slavery unless after the declaration of war and wanted the opposing side be surrendered without clashes, as war booty. The same rules are applied by Mongols war lords' armies full of Turkic generals to all others including Seljuks, Abbasids caliphate and Ottomans.
@@Bolognabeef - I don’t know why exactly. I know the rumors, stereotypes, and scapegoating. Beyond that I am woefully ignorant.
Please share your notes.
I’m descended from non-rich Jews so please use simple words because I’m mostly self educated.
it is shameful that despite being indian and interested in history, i knew next to nothing about this topic. i will be reading up more about it, but i am so proud that the roma people have managed to preserve their heritage and history like this. thank you for this truly fascinating (and weirdly calming) history lesson
What will happen if you send this videi to some progandis neo budhist.? 😂😂 they will get butt hurt after hearing that caste discrimination didnt exist before britisher
@@shivkumar0810 caste discrimination not exist before the British? Lmao 🤣
@@DippinSauc there is no evidence that people were discriminated on the basis of caste in ancient India,not a single evidence is there. Even the Manusmriti burners clad don't know why do they burn it when the varna mentioned in it doesn't emphasize on discrimination. The caste was basically a step by British Colonials to enforce division and recruit martial groups in their army.
Exactly 💯
Caste system not ordain or mention in our Puranas and scriptures. All propaganda apparently. Before the Islamic invasion everyone was exist and practiced openly their beliefs. Even after Independence the pseudo Anglo secularist and Jihadi had u Holy Alliance to distort and whitewash Indic history and civilisation. The Romani are PURE HINDUS IN ORIGIN AND GENETICS. Man made history cannot overcome scientific facts.
I feel very happy to hear this !!! My father used to tell me about Romani people are our people but didn’t tell us how!! Keeping the culture is very important.
Sending love from a South Indian of 4 generation in Malaysian.
My goodness, he said DNA studies, and you told your father said it. Hmm, not just a coincidence.
@@ndahiya3730 yes this is from word of mouth. In fact we all are related, just our look and colour that are different. Peace ☮️
As an Indian, this was such an eye-opening watch. Thank you so much for educating me about your culture. As a budding geneticist, videos like yours inspire me to continue studying ethnic groups around the world. This is so fascinating.
Florian, as an Indian I am so proud to see how proud you are of your heritage. So beautiful, almost feel like ceying 😢
But what heritage are you talking about ...they have lost their language, religion ! What are they left with ?
@@manh9105 They still are connected to their Hindu roots with their ways of worship, recognition of their roots. Look at Indian, Pakistan, Bangladesh Muslims on the other hand, they overlook their Indian roots and consider themselves direct descendants of Arabs.
@@CosmicKey-dj3gx Not true. They practice your nasty Hindu caste system, dowry system, arranged marriages, and corruption. Hinduism is a sewer and Pakistan and Bangladesh are two separate gutters that connect to that sewer.
@@CosmicKey-dj3gx so are the Indonesians. They have the Garuda on their national flag and their culture is Indian. Only religion is Islam.
@@AF-yq9es very true!
Wow! Amazing content. 🙌 I am an 18 year old Romanian Romani living in Ireland, and this is my first time learning more about our heritage and culture. Thank you for this and keep doing what you do. 👏
British. Pm Rishi sunak india Romanian
Romani are ex-Hindu people (they don’t have a particular religion now). Few hundred years ago! When bulla emperor enslaved thousands of Hindu people and took us to Afghanistan. En-route to Afghanistan, hundreds of Hindu people died due to cold whether. The mountain they died on is now called Hindu-kush (kush means death). Once the emperor died the slaves were released. The remaining Hindu people then migrated and stuck with each other. They did not say they were Hindu in fear of death. They then started their migration to Europe and lived there. There is no particular country for them now and no religion accepts them, they mostly live in poverty. During ww2, many Romani people were also executed by the nazis.
@@kongutiger4840 Shunak is a pure Indian.. 🤫🤫
@@30k7 Is there a book that talks about this?
@@kongutiger4840you still do not differentiate between Romani and Romanian, do you?
Without the Romani, European music and culture wouldn't be the same. Thank you for an informative video, I will be happy to learn more. 💗
Yeah and people would finally be free to take the metro without being pickpocketed
Absolutely love their contribution to Iberian music and much more as a Portuguese myself
@@Bolognabeef That is better than being molested by islamic paedophiles feeling up Europe rapidly...
Yeah, the world will be so much worse than all those punk songs about rearranging their filthy thieving faces with bricks and chains.
@@Bolognabeef what happened during Hurricane Katrina? There was so much looting going on. If you are hungry and needed food and being marginalised, I bet that would happen.
Got emotional bro..be with India for better life..Indian government should take proper steps for developing the our brothers..love from India 🇮🇳
Indian tribes have gone through horrible torture by all upper castes and outsiders till today including current government
Your research on Romani history is extraordinary, even your pronunciations of different Indian words was so good, almost natural. Didn't feel like there's been a gap of 1000 years between us 😅 I wish all Romani diaspora get a chance to visit their place of origin in their lifetime. Get to see the free and developing India. ❤
Free and developing India? Really? India has no clue as to how to take advantage of its diversity. Our rotten right-wing Hindu politicians have managed to destroy this country since their power grab in 2014. Divide and Rule is the only doctrine they know. Worst thing is that no one is getting ahead... except crony capitalists and their pimps in politics.
Romani migrated 1000 years ago from Rajasthan Haryana Punjab like area. In their language u can find sanskrit /Hindi like words . They are Indian and we should support them. From love India
Gazwa E Hind Zindabad 💪🏻😍☪️
भारत में घुमने आऐ भारत के आप का सवागत हैं well come to India🇮🇳
Honestly it's amazing how there culture has been so preserved, even in the genetics.
Yup! We have preserved our culture throughout so much by resisting assimilation, we still have our own unique language and ancient cultural practices dating back to India, and yes even genetics Romani people still remain majority South Asian genetically :)
Not that much, they were just not forced to integrate on other countries' terms, they had the right to choose, but the EU criticizes Romania for this, inventing that it's based on racism.
@@florida.florian There live many Romani people in my neighbourhood and it's charming to see them switch between the Romani language and impeccable local language. May Kali bless you all! 🥰
@@JenIsHungry I mean but you guys have been migrating since a thousand years almost now, it's actually kinda insane just how much the Romani people have preserved their heritage, despite so many hardships and oppression they've been facing for so long. Even now in the 21st century there's actual racism on a judicial level against Romani people in several European countries. Any other group would've succumbed to the oppression, lost their identity and would've been assimilated into the dominant culture. The Romani persisted for a 1000 years and that's what makes it so insane for me.
@@yugmathakkar4023 It's almost identical history to Jews, which is why I feel such love for Romani folks. They're like our siblings
As a New Zealander I thank you for telling me the story of your people.
I've been studying Flamenco for over 20 years, and really appreciate your sharing this concise presentation! Much respect to the Romani diaspora and mother India for their gifts to humanity 👏🏆❤🔥
As a brazilian, I grew up around many cultures, Romani included. Thanks for sharing the history!
I have an affection for the Romani, though I am not Romani. I'm Puerto Rican, but I can see how my culture is distantly influenced by Romani music via Spanish colonization of the Caribbean, (since the Roma had such a huge influence on traditional Spanish music), like how it is also influenced by the native Taino and the Yoruba and other African ethnic groups that were brought to the islands enslaved. It is a sad history, but important to acknowledge and see how everything is connected
The cultural and genetic mixture that makes Puerto Rico Puerto Rico is beautiful. Bomba y plena are beautiful. The Spanish colonial architecture is beautiful. Puerto Rican girls are gooooooorgeous, Boríqua men are handsome. I wanna see the mountain towns someday. (I loved Old San Juan, the nearby forest, and Poncé, too.)
Same! The gitana style of singing is beautiful omg 😍😍
I visited PR when I was a teenager. Great food! Wonderful culture and music.
I am from Ghana 🇬🇭
@@hadast3806 I visited Ghana a long time ago, Sekondi, Takoradi, and a shorter time in Kumasi. My students were soooo intelligent and respectful: I was exceptionally happy to spend time with them, and they seemed to enjoy having a foreigner-guest-teacher recite Anansi stories to them. (“Miss, you all already knew this story ? Why did you not stop me ? I could’ve told a different one, or we could have done more geography…”. “But Teacher, we’ve never heard someone like you tell it before. “ 😂🤣😆
@@miahconnell23 oh that’s great! Yes Ghanaian children always love Anansi 🕷🕷 stories 😁
I am from Bengal, we also follow Shakti branch, worship Maa Kaali🙏.
Happy to see you still preserving Indian ideology and culture 🕉
Wish you to be happy and healthy🙏
I’d love to see a video comparing Hindu and Roma religious traditions, it’s so cool!
I have a short like that!
Please make more long form videos! I've been enjoying your shorts so much, but you're a really good narrator - and it's so rare that you actually get to hear a Romani tell their own story
i am spanish roma and i love ur content sm😭 keep going that way mro phral! we all roma are proud of u 🫶🏽 te ovas saste bahtale sare le roma 💙❤️💚
Nais tuke!
Brought tears to my eyes.
Came to know of the origin of Romani people just 2 years back. This is truly fascinating.
It pains to see how our Romani brothers and sisters have been persecuted all over the world till this day. Nonetheless it is quite heartening to see how our brothers and sisters have preserved their culture, their dance and music amids all the hardships. Maa Kali always bless our Romani brothers and sisters 🙏🏾
Hi Florian.. its such a pleasure to see you speak, there are so many things you have taught me. Thank you. I am from Southern India and we still have a huge community of people to this day who are identified as traveling and nomadic. One of the community is called Lambani, they are very good looking, they used to travel but some have chosen to settle down now. I have tried to understand the same question from them and I realised that they simply love to travel the world but they do it with their entire family and community! How lovely is that .. just like all types of diverse people couldn't it be possible that after the foreign invasion of India your ancestors felt like exploring the earth outside India and there was no reason like war or starvation at all. It is evident that your ancestors were phenomenal explorers since they have travelled so far that too with entire families and communities and still have kept a way to be happy and merry all the time. Thanks for sharing.. lots of ❤❤❤❤
I don't know why I am crying so much. Lots of love from India, you are part of us.
I am an American Indian, but my roots are from Rajasthan in India. Gypsies or Nomadic people are still prevalent in Rajasthan and they have a beautiful culture. Their dance and music are beautiful to watch.
I agree My dad told me that his grandmother was a Romani gypsy from Romania. I cannot speak for other Romany Gypsies. I do not know much. However I saw RUclips videos showing the Romani dancing in Rajasthan. I watched videos about traditional Egyptian dancing. I was floored. My ex husband is Hindu and Classical Indian dancing is very different to the people in Rajasthan. Yet the traditional dancing of the Egyptians look very similar to the dancing of Romani in Rajasthan. Could any one explain why. I got my dad a book called Initiation by Elisabeth Haich. She talks about her life in Hungary and she talks about her past life in Egypt. She mentioned that some of the priests sailed away to India to protect the knowledge from falling into the wrong hands. I also spoke to a Hindu Psychiatrist and she told me that it is common knowledge that some of the Roma followed Kali Maa. I would be interested to see what other people thought.
Oh my God. It's so delightful to see a part of my history on RUclips. I am so overwhelmed just to hear from you. My family goddess is kali as well. And it's so fascinating to share with people thousands of kilometres away. Love from Australia.
Wow this is so interesting! I am learning so much. My only exposure to Romani culture was through stereotypes and the Disney's animated Hunchback of Notre Dame. This is even my first time hearing about their connection to South Asia/India! I really want to learn more and educate myself. Thank you!!
I grew up surrounded by a lot of Romani people and I've always wanted to learn more about Romani culture and history. Thank you so much for making this video! It's a great introductory point for further research 💕
Well done on producing your first proper RUclips video, bruv. Thank you for all the info. Can't wait to maybe see you in person one day and film something together! Blessings from your Indian brother in the UK 🇬🇧
Thank you bro! Blessings to our Indian brothers as well 😄 Also love your videos, would love to film something together!
I like how he distinguished between how caste used to be and how the British made it to be.
And how did they make it? What's the difference?
@@primrosedahlia9466 There isn't a difference. It's just a bs theory to blame the British for their own cultural failings.
@@El-Dorado930 yeah I get this feeling too. There doesn't seem to be any effectual difference
@@DrRiq The British certainly exploited the caste system, but they certainly didn't create it. The Brahmins did that and benefited immensely from it while other Hindus suffered. Now they point their fingers at the British and the Muslims. Ridiculous.
Oh didn’t know there was a debate here. Gentlemen, hear me out: not to just fight with me but really hear me out. Here goes: Ancient India didn’t have the caste system, there existed the Varna system which is basically just categorisation of your profession. And it was flexible: son of a cowherd could become a king and a King could marry a fisherwoman. Don’t believe me? Examples abound in the Ramayan and the Mahabharat themselves. But ofcourse we are humans and we develop prejudice. In a culture like India where the word of elders are taken without questioning (that’s changing now), the prejudices of the elders are also internalized without question. That ofcourse led to the rigidity in the system BUT NOWHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES IS IT ORDAINED THAT IT IS TO BE FOLLOWED WITH RIGIDITY. But the term and current interpretation of the caste system is clearly European, not necessarily British (Caste comes from the Portuguese word “castas”).
My point is: if there still existed hope for the caste system to be overcome, the european colonisers eliminated any chance of salvation by taking advantage of it all and ofcourse then playing the ‘white saviours’.
Cultural failings: yes. Ofcourse we had cultural failings and that’s why we were colonised. But to assume that the caste system was interpreted correctly to this day and the blame squarely lies on Indian shoulders? No. The British obviously had a huge hand. Well they dominated the education system of India.
Greetings from India.
You have the knowledge of a scholar. You're very well informed and you pronounced Indian nouns and pronouns perfectly well. Great effort. 👍
Keep up the good work.
I just discovered your channel and can’t tell you how appreciative I am that you are taking the time to share your culture and knowledge and create content for us to learn from. I am a medical interpreter- though I mainly work with my Spanish speaking patients I interact with and coordinate language and cultural care for patients from everywhere. These suppressed histories are so vital. Thank you🙏🏻
This made me emotional as to how our hindu civilization was tortured, maimed and have done so many irreversible damage along the course of history. We lost our people (like you) but also many others found home in India (like Jews, Parsis). Good that new generations are reviving the past connections and finding glory and taking pride in their roots. Interestingly, this video comes on the day we saw how Maa Kali was insulted by Ukraine foreign minister and I end up discovering this channel. More power to you. Broken bridges can be repaired, it's never too late. India is coming out of it's post- colonial phase and we are going through a cultural revival of our civilization and Romani people is also crucial for it.
Jai Hind 🇮🇳🚩♥️
Caste oppression is done by upper caste hindus themselves. Justified by religion and scripture and all the senior monks and sants. What parallel universe are you living in?
It's not cast system it's varn vyawastha. There are 4 categories of varnas on the basis of an individuals karma not by birth. I think you are living in the unparallal world.
I am extremely grateful for your content because as a Spanish Gypsy I've been searching for our real ancestry, culture and history. I always felt out of place here and dream about Bollywood movies since they have the same values, behavior and feelings as my family does, and now everything makes sense.
Hi again Florian, since I watch your videos a few hours ago I started wondering and did my own research about Aryan's origin and I found that they went to India but they are originally Pashtuns, so I wanted to know Pashtun's origin and I found that some people say there's historical evidence that leads to think Pashtun's come from the 10 lost tribes of Israel, and some people say this is not correct. I find this very interesting and maybe you could make your own research about this and make a new video if you want because I really wanna know and some people may find it interesting too. Thank you very much. ❤
India is nothing but bollywood and yet it is . I belong to brahmin family and if you introduce yourself as doom most of them will not accept you in their homes so that's the reality here don't romanticize this one . There is a reason why these people left this part of the world which i don't call it india no one should actually it is british made name not the real one just to glorify their doings .
Being a bengali, the moment you said "durga pooja" You have my heart... Jai ma kali
you're doing such a fine job representing the lost history and giving tribute to your ancestors and their hardships
I’m not Indian, I’m Bengali but I have always been curious about the Romani and their heritage because I definitely do see a resemblance between south Asian culture and Romani culture~ thank you for sharing about your history ^^
Aren't Bengali's indian, just curious.
Bengalis are Indians or u a Bangladeshi?
@@4sumayal perhaps born in West, but ethnically bengali.
whaaat!!! Bengali but not Indian.......
@@samarth5991 i think he is bengali
Recently I watched a podcast of an Indian historian, who discussed the Romani people, and how and when they migrated from India to Europe. He stated that (many of these are in Ian Hancock's book "we are the Romani people").
1. The variants of Romani language "sound" like the amalgamation of the languages used in Western states of India, Punjabi, Rajasthani and Gujarati, so mostly the present day Romani people's ancestors were from the western most regions of India, which makes sense.
2.The Flamenco dance has Romani origins, it evolved in Spain, Southern Spain to be precise. The Romani people there are called "Gitanos".
3. Due to the Romani people being marginalised even today, the bulk of the Romani population pretty much live a nomadic lifestyle. (But not all, like most professional Romani people)
4. In the 9th century or (approx. 1000 years ago) India had various Turkic invasions, mostly during the "Abbasid Caliphate", and they repeatedly attacked the Indian subcontinent (of course from the west).
This brings me to the 1. point, where these invaders enslaved a lot of people from the Western states of Gujarat, Rajasthan and Punjab and took them through present day Afghanistan, through the Hindukush mountains. This name also originated during this time, a bit of a tragic name as HinduKush is made up of two words (Hindu+kush) where "kush" means death.
5. All these enslaved people were taken for different reasons women & children - obvious. Also artisans, dancers and performers were in considerable population.
6. But then later, due to harsher climates, and obvious lack of food and shelter in the dry regions, the Turkic invaders found out that they cannot sustain these people anymore.
Hence, they were shown the door. For some reason, they were directed towards the north, not their homeland. Maybe it was their own decision and did not wish to experience Hindukush 2.0 idk.
7. These people then settled (or lived as nomads) in different parts of Europe. And the early migrators mixed the regional culture with the Indian one, for example the "Kali Sara" in France.
8. Also, considerable camps during ww2 had Romani population, but no one talks about them.
I’ve been doing a lot of research specifically on this! Thank you for putting this up!
Congratulations on your first upload! This was worth the wait! I wish you many views, subscribers, success and monetization!!! You got what it takes! Congratulations again!
thank you!!
love love LOVE that you're sharing information about your culture with the world! you're doing generations of Romani people justice 🌻
My historical interest is very centered around the Indian Diaspora, and its weird how the Roma are ignored from this historical phenomenon.
I was looking for channel who can share this real history and here it comes directly from the source. Great work! Looking forward to more videos from you. Subscribed!❤
Thank you for this Florian.
I like the idea that the Romani people came from travelling musicians and dancer caste and that they were also displaced soldiers.
Warrior Poets!
There is none called the dancer caste. If they were part of a clan of warriors then they have been taken from many strata of society. During the time of 1300 AD, rhe islamic forces took control of their land and forced convert by the sword. The ones who converted live in present day Pakistan and the rest migrated west. Many captured slaves of muslim army who took hindu slaves were also freed in later era who again migrated to Europe for better pastures only to be persecuted even more. Ultimately they converted to christianity.
The Romas around the Balkans have a great voice for singing, love seeing them perform ❤ thanks for this informative outlook on the people.
Absolutely loving your videos! Can't wait for more long form ones like this. Thank you for all your work!
So much well rounded info presented in such a short period of time in such a rhythmic narrative style. Great job!
As a South Indian, I feel very proud that you are sharing your history. The human ability to adapt and retain to different cultures is absolutely amazing. I hope you find success on youtube. And more people hear your story.
Hi indian, i know that there ssome propogand going on about caste discrimination, and so called protector of lower caste neo budhist have emerged, 😂 what will happen if they saw this video??
@@shivkumar0810 he himself is a Romani . Now who the _ are you?
Ans: a psychologically imbalanced person. A frustrated racist and anti Indian and xenophobic and religiophobic person who doesn't have any knowledge about what he is talking about.
Why do i get the feels in my heart, all the dom, roma and lom are our brothers and sisters. They don't deserve the discrimination they face, i wish they could return or atleast visit their/our homeland. They'd fit in so perfectly. Much love from India from a South Indian
maybe they shouldn't steal then lol
@@sitdownstandup91 ???
@@sitdownstandup91 Maybe they shouldn't have been deprived and left for then? Or discriminated against on the basis of color. Isn't "that" conversation a loop?
@@percentbigfoot Nope. They lie and steal, leech of goverments and then play victim. They are a nightmare to deal with. Their children are encouraged to steal from non romani. Just because you find out that they are originally from India you protect them? Please, take them.
@@percentbigfoot This hypothesis of color-based discrimination is a nonsense created by the British.
I belong to a so-called "Bramhin" caste (The original definitions are now lost, that's why "so-called", and anyway, "Varna" does not mean caste). I have very dark skin & most of my family and community are dark-skinned.
But, there are SC communities who are very fair skinned, almost like Europeans.
In short, this caste-color-genetics is a bullshit created by the British to divide Indians.
Florian, you will make a wonderful History teacher.. so clear, feels like step-by-step for us to understand, calm and thorough! All the best to you!
Thank you so much for this! I have always wondered what the history of the Romani people really was, and their origins! Hearing it straight from you as a Romani yourself is awesome! This was so fascinating, I'm so glad I stumbled upon your video, I will definitely be watching more!! ❤️👍🏻
Wow, you explain your people's history so well, Florian! 👍 You are so soft spoken and well informed it is a pleasure to listen to you. As a white Romanian girl, who all her life came across harmful stereotypes about Roma, I really like unlearning toxic and racist ideas taught to me and relearning and rediscovering the beauty of Romani people and culture. It's refreshing to come across an account like yours. God knows people (including me) need to learn more about this amazing culture and ethnicity. ❤
Don't you think Romani people have a very ancient connection with Romania?
Either the territory was named after them, or they were named after the territory.
And how far is Romania from Rome?
Saw a video that said ancient Roman script was very much Slavic and can be read easily, as opposed to it being projected as illegible.
@@ndahiya3730 Ok, so, there is a lot to discuss here and I see that there is some confusion as well so I'll do my best to explain and clarify.
Romani people WEREN'T named after Romania, nor was Romania named after them. The similarities between the names it's a pure coincidence. Romania is a country in Europe, Eastern Europe to be precise. The people who live there are called Romanians (NOT Romani) and they speak the Romanian language. The Romanian people are a Latin people, we are the descendants of the Romans and the Dacians (an ancient people native to Eastern Europe). The Dacians lived thousands of years ago on this land (the future Romania) until they were invaded by the Roman Empire (year 101-102 and 105-106 AD). The two languages (the language spoken by the Dacians and Latin, which was spoken by the Romans) combined and gave birth to a very early version of Romanian. Today's Romanian vocabulary is made out of 80% Latin words. So, to summarize, the Romanian people are LATIN people, speaking Romanian, a LATIN language, native to Europe, descendants of Romans and Dacians.
Now, Romani people are not European, unlike Romanians. They come from India, their language is similar to Hindu (therefore no similarities between the Romani language and Romanian language), and their culture different from the Romanian culture. They left their native country hundreds of years ago (between 8th century and 10th century) and came here, to Europe, searching for a better life. Instead, the Europeans enslaved them. Romania was one of the countries that turned the Romani people into slaves and only at the end of the 1800s (after hundreds of years) was the slave trade abolished. Even after they were free however, they were still discriminated and ostracized by the Romanian people. Now, there are many Romani people living in Romania because they spent hundreds of years being enslaved here.
So, again, a short summary: Romanians = Europeans, Latin people, Latin language. Romani people = came from India, language similar to Hindu, when they arrived here in Europe they were enslaved (not just in Romania but in all of Europe) and after they were no longer slaves, they were systemically discriminated (even today, racism towards them is very strong). The Romani people are spread all over Europe (like I said before, they were not just enslaved in Romania and they don't live just there) and they have citizenship in those countries (e.g. A Romani person in Romania has Romanian citizenship, a Romani person living in Poland has Polish citizenship etc.), but ethnically, they are sill Romani, with a different culture and their own language (however, they still speak the language of the country they leave in, like Polish or Romanian or Bulgarian etc.)
Now, regarding the 'how far is Rome from Romania' question, the easiest way to find out is to google it :) To give you an idea though, Rome is the capital city of Italy, located in Southern Europe, and Romania is a country in Easter Europe.
And finally, about the Slavic documents. There are no ROMAN Slavic documents. All Roman documents are eritten in Latin. However, there are ROMANIAN Slavic documents (Roman is not the same as Romanian, like I've explained above). The reason why there are Romanian documents written in Slavic is because the Romanian language and culture was heavily influenced by the Slavic peoples (given the fact that Romania was located in the East where most Slavic people found themselves). Therefore, during the middle ages, Romanians used the Cyrillic alphabet to write (instead of the Latin one) and the official language was not Romanian but Slavonian. And yes, Romanians can understand Old Romanian, because they are very similar, but we can't read the Curillic alphabet or understand Slavonian or other Slavic languages.
Hope this helps. Sorry if there is a lot of information or if I confused you, I tried to explain as best as I could. If you have any more questions, you can ask, feel free, but remember that I'm not an expert and you can always find better sources on the Internet or in books :)
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Thanks for your in depth explanation of Romanian, Romani & Romania & Roma....that's excellent & very helpful....you are so well informed.
Just one point, you might wish to research:
You say Romanian language is derived from Latin...But, we. are told , with strong evidence to back up, that , Latin itself & Greek to boot. both have their root source in SANSKRIT....in short, , Romanian language itself has roots in Sanskrit, via Latin.
Best regards
@@ananicoleta8000 Romani people have european dna too tho,there mixed, they're not purely indian. Myself i'm half romani from spain and half french from brittany and i consider myself more like a european than indian.Romani people still are european.
Sanskrit is a sister language to Latin. Both descend from Proto-Indo-European.
Florian, thank you for sharing your culture with us. It is beautiful, and we would love to know more. Can you add captions? Hearing impaired people appreciate it most, but sometimes we can't use sound. In offices, for example. Captions allow us to watch anytime. I don't want to miss a thing....
For me it shows that captions are on, are you able to see them?
@@florida.florian I don't show any caption, sorry.
@@marymoore3585 Hmm that’s strange, maybe try again as I just added new captions!
you need to click the [CC] up in the right
Captions working! Perfect! I love channels that teach, instead of just being sparky or mean or political. I look forward to more content from you , young man . God bless you and yours.
The idea that a whole social caste of people would be so ill-treated by the rest as to just pack up and leave in mass is breaking my brain.
The Romani have such an incredible and fascinating History.
Hi Florian, i thoroughly enjoyed watching this video and I will definitely go check the other parts out. You have a rare skill for stitching together the various components of history seamlessly into an easy to follow video. Keep it up!
i've, ever since a child, been fascinated by the beauty of traditional romani women's dresses. i've never understood why the romani people have been so mistreated both in the society i live in, as well as around the world... thank you for sharing about the romani culture, and correcting the misinformation that has targetted your culture for centuries!
I've been watching your shorts a lot recently, each one is more interesting than the last. I'm just a black American, but it's really nice to learn about Romani people and their culture. It seems so unique and beautiful. This was a nice insight into their history. Thank you!
Wonderful. I’m not one to write comments on RUclips videos, however I just felt compelled to on this one. The love of your heritage and culture clearly shows through. Keep up the content and I look forward to watching more videos and learning about your culture and history 🙏🏽
What a beautiful video! Thank you Florian, this was so informative. 🌞🙏💐❤️
Fascinating topic, as a linguist, I loved learning about all the dialects you mentioned.
As a history of world religions fan, I realize that the Roma people possibly left the Indian subcontinent fleeing the violent Islamic invasion.
As a Serbian, I'm glad that, thanks to you, I'm learning more about our dear fellow citizens, Romi, the Roma people, a very present minority in Serbia and across the Balkan countries.
Keep it up, love from Belgrade. 🧡
Bathroom you are Serbian, thereby a Slav. I do not know of your haplogroup but most of the male slavs who have haplogroup r1a are Hindus. It may come as a surprise to you but the word for slavs earlier was saka people. The word Shaka in Sanskrit means branch. They were a branch of people who called themselves Aryans. These people inhabited the area of what today is India the Central Asia and eastern Europe particularly the area around Volga river.
@@1661957 Wow, interesting. I must look further into this though, to see how the vast majority of Slavs have blond hair and blue eyes.
@@miovicdina7706 interesting question. Having said that your reply is a typical European reply. Let me give you some historical facts. If you look up and Google for sakas or scithians as Greeks called them,you will find that their colour of hair is red. If you look further you will find a lot of writings where in the Europeans of 9th and eighth century writing about people who came from east and had blonde madam my historical facts are correct. Let me ask you a few questions. Why is there no history of slavs before fourth or fifth century. Read about Sintashta civilization. Please do that and I will tell you about the rig veda Richa resembling those people
@@1661957 Most Slavs came from an area between Ukraine, Estonia, Slovakia and Poland that dates back to 2nd century and were previously called Veneti where they werent branched off from Baltic people yet? What the fuck are you on about??
👉All European, Mediterranean, C.Asian, G.steppe nations are founded by race of Bharath (Vedic/Arya). Kings, warriors of West, C.Asia, G.steppe are R1a1a/R1a1Y {Vedic warrior caste (Shatriyas)}, this marker didn't exist in steppe to Europe before 1k BCs. They've descended from CimmeArya, Saka, Sauromata, Alani, Roxolani, TochaArya, Kushan, Wushun, Xiangno, Khotan Aryas who've conquered G.steppe then Europe, China in the 1k BCs from India-Iran region when Vedics from India already conquered upto Anatolia (Mittani-Hatti-Hari) in 2k BCs. Greco-Roman descended from M-H-H Aryas, only Aryas can bring IE language, chariot, Mitra, thunder/sky God, astronomy, astrology, funerary cremation in Greece-Italy. Aryas in west have turned blonde/white breeding with white women (Celts R1bY Yamnyan, Veneds R1aY Sintashtan) like brown Jews have turned blonde. Aryas are brown skinned, dark haired/eyed (Check G-R, Irani, Saka, TochaArya, Kushan frescoes). Europe's Monarchies came 1300 years after Sakas monarchy of 700 BC., literature after 7th c CE. Greece-Italy Monarchies came 1000 years after M-H-H.
Proven conquest of west by Aryas.👉In 2k BCs Mittani-Hatti-Hari conquered upto Anatolia.
👉In 800 BCs CimmeArya, Saka conquered Balkan, Ukraine, Russia.
👉In 500 BCs Parsha conquered Greece, Balkan.
👉In 400 BCs. Sauromata, Alani conquered upto Ukraine, then to British Irish Isles, remember RgVedic Goddess Danu.
👉 In 400 CEs one Alani branch conquered Spain raiding Greece, Italy.
👉In 4th c. Hun conquered half of Europe descending from Tocha-Arya, Wushun."
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👉Since 800 BCs white (Celts, Veneds) & C.Asian trib@ls are en$laved by Aryas (CimmeArya, Saka, Sauromata, Alani, Roxolani, TochaArya, Kushan, Wushun, Xiangno, Khotan).
👉Whites are next en$laved by Roman descending from Mittani-Hatti-Hari Aryas.
👉Next en$laved by Hun descending from Tocha-Arya, Wushun Aryas.
👉Next en$laved by moors for 700 years, moor leaders are Irani Aryas.
👉Again en$laved by Turk, Mongol. L0rds of Turk, Mongol tribals are Tocha-Arya, Xiangno, Wushun Aryas.
👉Lords of Turk, Mongol, Avar, Khazar, Tatar trb@ls are Tocha-Arya, Kushan, Wushun, Xiangno, Khotan Aryas. Xiangno, Wushun, Kushan conquered China, Tibet. Shatriyas of eastern India conquered SE Asia, possibly China bringing chariot & great flood mythology (ref. GE Gerini). R1a1a/R1a1Y are in Chinese, Tibetan, Turk, Mongol, SE Asian, Jews, Arab. Nations' kings don't share common race with $laves, commoners. Trib@ls don't give birth to conquerors. Shatriya Arya, Ezyptian, Mesopotamian are only martial races.
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Whites trib@ls (Celt, Vened or old Slavic) aren't IE/Aryas or warrior race, no evidence of native language. Let alone riding chariot, didnt even ride horse. Roman labelled them subhum@n. IBN Fadlan described yellow haired are f!lthiest of God's creation. Till 10th c. r@ping, hum@n s@crifice were their custom. Stark contrast of people in a continent confirms different races. Whites aren't martial race but they @nnihilate weakers, they've @nnihilated native Euros. Roman, Saka, Sauromata, Alani, Hun Aryas could do the same with whites but didn't. In last 1k years Aryas in west assimilating with whites commited gen0cides of American, African, Asian, Australian. Hiroshima nuking, WW1/2. British rulers who are Arya R1a1a/R1a1Y l00ted $45 tril. alone from India & feeding white p@rasites leaving over 10 mil. starved to death. Vedic civilization is destroyed by her own long lost children.
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West isn't one race. Stark difference in civiliation confirms different races. There are Aryas, Celts, Veneds, Phonecian-Etruscan from Middle East, Negroids from sub Sahara, some C.Asian, some native Euros, Gypsies, Mongoloids.
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Shatriyas are founder of Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism. Shatriya Buddha, Mahavira, Ashoka TG, Kurus TG are the greats no race on earth could give birth. Abrahamic religions are existing because Kurus TG saved Judaism from extinction, he's the only non-Jews regarded "messiah" in Judaism. Literature of all civiliations combined can't reach half of Vedic. RgVeda is the oldest IE literature. 40% Earth's population speak Arya languages. Aryas who surpass even great Mesopotamian, Ezyptian can't originate from civilizationless Steppe. Oldest chariot found in "Sinauli" India. None ever rode Chariot in Steppe. Vedics=Aryas=IE.
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Will Durant, American historian.
"India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all."
William James, American Author "From the Vedas, we learn a practical art of surgery, medicine, music, house building under which mechanized art is included. They are encyclopedia of every aspect of life, culture, religion, science, ethics, law,
cosmology and meteorology."
In Andhra / Telangana / Karnataka we have a caste Dommarollu (Dommari + Vallu) in Telugu it is written as దొమ్మరి.. These Areas were famous for Damascus steel (wootz Steel) which itself is derived from Ukku meaning Steel .. so tribes even now are famous for their Iron Works on the road side .... they used to wander from place-to-place part of Nomadic tribe culture, your ancestors may be related to these tribes ...
This is easily one of the best videos I've seen in a long time on the history of the Roma people! A proper and well researched narrative! I'm glad that you are telling the world about your people. There is so much misconception and unfortunate prejudice against the Roma which largely goes unnoticed. Great to see a young person like you taking up the Roma cause!
You are doing an awesome job educating us about your culture
Your voice truly drew me into listening to you with my full attention.
Keep up the great effort Florian!!
Wonderful video. As an Ashkenazi person it's really interesting to see the parallels and differences between our cultures and histories. I look forward to learning more from you!
Imi place foarte mult ce faci. Este important sa educi oamenii in subiectul istoriei etniei rome, deoarece școala, cel putin cea din Romania, nu face acest lucru. Am 23 de ani si doar recent, spre marea mea rusine, am aflat de holocaustul romilor, deportatea in Transnistria si asa mai departe. E foarte fain ca ridici awareness pe aceste subiecte! Ține o tot asa!
Aquí en España, por desgracia, tampoco se enseña nada sobre el maltrato que hubo de parte de los españoles hacia los romaníes. No se enseña nada sobre el holocausto romaní, ni sobre “La Gran Redada” en la que encarcelaron a 17000 personas (en una sola noche) romaníes españoles durante años…
Ma bucur ca îți place și înveți ceva :) Mulțumesc
Great video man. Love it. With its history and thought provoking ideas.
I am a Hindu, and I love my Romani brethren! ❤❤❤❤❤
And I know Hindus hate toilets because you people don’t use them.
It sounds like you have a scholarly understanding of this subject in addition to your personal connection. I really enjoy your ability to blend the two in your presentation, and I'd love to see you create longer videos on the Romani throughout history and today. Subscribed!
As a Marwari speaker, which is a language in Rajasthan I will say that our language is very similar! so you can be very well a rajputana clan. ❤
We have the same word for wedding, Byav 😄
@@florida.florian yeah lol Byaav and in punjabi it’s vyaah!
@@florida.florian And in Bengali, Bibaho.
@@florida.florian byah/Byaa in Bagri
@@debarghyaroy9948 in my dialect of Bengali it is Byaa
So proud of Romani people for keeping their Indian traditions alive and you for learning/teaching others about this history!
Your channel is amazing, I love learning about Romani culture. I've never heard the history spoken about and explained in such a clear and concise way.
The caste based oppression does make sense because though the nomadic artist castes that are known to travel between Rajasthan, Gujarat and other parts of NW India, they are still discriminated against, and so have beem designated as OBC or other backward caste in some states or even scheduled tribes/adivasi (not necessarily Dalits) and are thus entitled to reservation in schools colleges and public sector jobs. The Vanjara or Banjara castes or even the Rudalis are an example of scheduled tribes. And just to end with an interesting fact, the Rudalis have the ancestral job of being funeral criers, and are called when a person dies to help the family mourn and tell society what a great loss it is to them and the community.
PS. Love your videos, and I've learnt so much about Romani culture from you.
Yes discrimination against those castes exist, but they did not leave India because of it. They had to move out of India due to invasions from Arab-Turkic Islamic kingdoms, a theory further supported by history written by Iranians on how Romanis came to Iran and Middle east.
I am amazed by how well-spoken and knowledgeable you are for such a young person! I found this video very informative! Keep up your good work, young man. :)
Been following Romani history for a few years and in some parts of India we have a group of blacksmiths called Kalai wala who clean and polish brass utensils using wood ash and heat. Sadly this group seems to be lost in time now but the historical connection with some of the Romani people is very interesting. Also learned more from this video today. Thank you 🙏
This is a good video Florian! Keep them coming and keep up us updated ❤
Love to see your success and fruits of your knowledge being shared with so many…so generous of you 🙏😊
Wow, I didn’t know any of this. Such interesting history, thank you for sharing!
Man how you know so much that some of Indians not know.....keep going brother.....we support you effect in spreading awareness....❤
You have done quiet a bit of research and glad to know your making effort to know about your origins and preserving your culture
This was soo interesting! Its very beautiful to see someone being so passionate about the history and culture of its people
This is genuinely so interesting, I've had a difficult time trying to source for information on Romani culture and history that ARE from Roma people. I'm so glad youtube recommended me your shorts, I hope you can continue doing more videos! Cheers from Singapore
Wow! Such a beautiful, well-researched presentation. Bravo, you are an amazing young man…continue to shine!
Thank you for this informative video. I'm Indian and this was a great introduction to another integral part of our broader diaspora!
Thank you so kuch for remembering your roots and letting the world know about it 🙏
Hi Florian! Just wanted to let you know that I'll be introducing you to my Flamenco classes today. This video is the first one we'll be watching in class. Thank you for all the work you do! ❤
Beautiful presentations and historical story. How wonderful to hear it!
Thank you brother. As a brazilian and someone who went to the balkans I was aways super curious about the Roma people and your culture as we see how much influence (specially in music) do you have around.
Thank you for sharing your beautiful culture!
This was such a great video! Thank you for taking the time to explain the history of Romani people! I look forward to more videos like this
Thank you! This was so interesting! Hail Kali! 🙏🏽💕
Love your videos. They are detailed and very well researched. This is so fascinating.
Thank you for this video and your channel! I’m a white person who’s writing (mostly procrastinating tbh) a novel, and one of the major characters is Romani. I’m trying to learn as much as I can about Romani culture and history, but good resources are pretty scarce. So I’m so glad I found your channel!
Learning a lot from your channel about Romani people and its culture. May Mother Kali bless all my Romani people🤗❤
This was wonderful! I'm glad I found your channel - I would love to learn more about the Romani people. I know that there is a lot of misinformation and stereotypes and prejudice that gets shared about the Roma, and I won't have to worry about encountering any of that here. I'm looking forward to seeing more videos :)
This was really insightful. Thanks! Loved it
Awesome first video! I'm excited to learn more about the Romani. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you liked it :)
Wow...I had no idea the Romani ppl are from India. So cool. Amazing ppl spreading music and happiness everywhere😊 🙏🙏🙏.
I love your videos. I've been searching for this kind of deep dive into Roma history and culture for a long time. So glad I found your channel. Thank you!!
This is great. Fascinating information and you have great presence and warmth.
Great video. It's fascinating to hear more about Romani culture and history, thanks so much for posting these.