Big God Changes in AoM: Retold Beta
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Going through the god bonuses and the tech tree of the retold beta.
Keeping the videos for the retold beta less edited and more free flowing as I’m sure this isn’t the final version of the build (also don’t want the watermark in videos to be viewed in the future). I’ll be making more edited and in depth videos when the game fully releases!
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Hades isn't evil. He's just goth.
Hades isn't evil. He's the protector of the dead and jailor of the titans. Also, unlike Zeus, he's not a r*pist. He's cool.
Persephone disagrees. So does Demeter
@@bafrali5561lol Persephone literally has the single most stable relationship in all of Greek Mythology. Plus, she shares Hades' domain as an equal. He is the king of the underworld and god of the dead, whereas she is a goddess of the underworld itself and basically the queen of the damned
@@filipvadas7602True but she was still abducted by Hades and it was only by Demeter turning the world into a barren desert that Zeus would force Hades to make a deal
@@filipvadas7602Almost that, depending on the version. Also i thin persophone has a lover that she shares with apgrodite
@@bafrali5561 Considering how courting and marriage typically goes with the Greek Gods, Hades is the best husband. He treats Persephone as an equal and he adores her. She also grew to love him and she never cheated on him. They have the best relationship among all the Greek Gods.
Look how they massacred my boy Hades 😢
The Hall of Thanes applies +10 % to infantry and Norse heroes are infantry so they benefit from that along with their exclusive +5 % movement bonus. Hersir and Godi are both Hero and Infantry I think so I think the tech should work correctly.
I'm thrilled that they actually made this remake. This game holds a special place in my heart from my childhood.
0:36 what you see here is the rectus femoris, which although it is indeed part of the quads (thus not making your statement incorrect), would never be more developed than the other regions of the quadriceps even if you were to do only rectus-femoris targeted training (such as leg extensions/sissy squats). It is a design fail.
I think part of why it looks weird is there's some strange lighting on his lower half that makes his thighs look gigantic as compared to his calves. Look on the left side, it's really light, making his leg below the knee look tiny.
Or simply just AI generated portrait then edited.
Sissy squats?
Zeus' new god portrait looks bad. The body proportions and shape of his muscles look off and most other arts look AI generated
1. I was worried that all the changes they were making were going to hurt the core gameplay, which was borderline perfect, but all of them have been a net positive thus far, which is *really good* and gives a lot of hope for the game feeling fresh, but still fundimentally the same, for a long time
2. Hades isn't evil. Ironically, despite his aesthetic, he is literally the most fair of the Greek Pantheon. Literally everyone he hurt or punished either had it coming or he *explicitly warned* so they understand the consequences of their actions.
Even his marriage to Persephone is the most stable one out of all Greek Mythology as they share their divine domain as equals
MAYBE rivaled only by Hepheastus' marriage to his second wife after Aphrodite: Aglaea, one of the Graces (a goddess of beauty and glory)
3. I appreciate that Kronos seems to have a chunk of his tech tree surrounding Automatons. As a kid, I LOVED that unit but was endlessly frustrated that it was kind of terrible.
They would automatically be 100% better if you could manually task them to repair each other. I've lost so many at the last second because of the delay before they'll figure it out themselves, not to mention prioritizing repairing damaged units vs decaying units when it should be the other way around.
one interesting thing I noticed when going over the atlantean tech tree is that it mentions an upgrade that increases favor generation from your oracles.
I am hopeful this might be an indication that we finally get an actually unique way for atlanteans to generat favor rather than just getting favor from town centers.
Maybe you get favor based on how much of the map is covered by oracles, like the more you can see of the map the more favor you get? Either way its fun to speculate.
I'm glad they're getting a unique way to gather favour. No wonder they're keeping the Atlanteans hidden for now, some big changes!
Maybe you'll get passive generation of favor for each Oracle that has max LOS. Maybe they'll limit oracles to 10 or something to balance, since reusable god powers are real now. Just a guess.
@@softwarelivre2389 they are already limited in amount, you can build them. And one of the gods in heroic age can upgrade all oracles into heroes at once, even in production. So yeah, may be.
That mention of Oracles having impact on favor generation made me think, what if Atlanteans generated favor based on how much of their map is revealed? That would tie greatly into having Oracles stationed in as many places as possible for max coverage. The Oracle technology could then increase the favor generation further for areas currently revealed by Oracles.
It would also be in line with the developers' original goal; that Atlanteans gain favor by spreading their reach.
In Boit's channel, he looks at the oracles. Max 10. Passive generation of favour
I really like the changes to the Wonder. Makes the late-late game really fun!
Odin is still all about the Jarls, but now he gets better Raiding Cavalry. Odin Jarls are terrifying. +10% hit points and damage at base, then Thundering Hooves from Freya and Ring Giver from Nord. Jarls end up with close to 400 hp, 70% missile resist and ~50% hack resist, they move fast and do a lot of damage. Now he also has very strong raiding cavalry and he still gets the 2 ravens so you will always know where to find enemy villagers. Odin was my favorite in AOT, they did him justice in Retold.
So glad they added new units and such to the game vs just upgrading the graphics. Will deff buy soon.
I can't wait to see the Lush effects on Gaia it was my favorite thing about playing her
It kinda works like zerg creep from starcraft 2, as it gives all units and buildings on it passive regen, and eco buildings can now also spread lush, like creep tumors.
Poseidon need buffs previously bonuses are better than now.
There are some interesting upgrades for ships in heroic age from, I think, almost every minor god in the game. They spawn units, get new special attacks, even lets new tech, like building Argo (yes, he is not limited only to Poseidon).
My summary:
I though that god portraits as well as the game graphics were gonna be so much awful (like cartoonish) and in the end they are quite Ok.
Reusable god powers and fifth age make the game feel so much more chaotic but I still apreciate it.
The UI is almost cancer, its age4 style and I dont like it at all because it is like oversimplified and cartoonish icons.
Pathfinding has improved but I had some troubles with villagers not moving while hunting and other problems, but this was a beta, so it's ok for now.
The voices actors are totally AWFUL, I heard the voice actors(Arkantos and Athena) in English and Spanish, and both of them are 💩, they don't have emotions anymore (I hope they didn't use AI 😭).
Imo, Hades and Thor were the most op gods. They both can gain a lot of favor pretty quickly at mid-late game and their god powers are almost op.
btw I found the egiptians god powers very weak except some of them, but I think they need to buff them a little bit.
In conclusion, retold is well made, but they need to point and fix some things, however I'm happy with it.
I agree with the new voices, but I don't think it's an issue with the voices themselves, but the clear lack of human emotion behind their deliveries. I think the poor voice lines are a product of bad direction.
They could quite literally take the voice actors, show them the original lines and have them hear and watch the clips in which they play and tell them to make it like that, but better.
@@qwerty222999 yeah, I think so too
God portraits are still a downgrade imo, which is weird for it being 20 years later. The old ones had something kind of classicly old to them, like old fantasy films
You can't train shades as Hades, you never could. In the original game, the spawn rate for shades was controlled in a settings.ini file, i upped it from 20% to something more reasonable. I did a test in skirmish last night, and out of 10 units, i got 2 shades, and out of 25/30, i got 3 or 4 or so (i think i ended up with about 6).
Regarding Set, yeah, i'm glad you can train elephants of set now, and the converted animals having less food isn't new, that's always been there, it was just never pointed out before.
The greek hammer ship also apparently gets a ramming ability with a tech upgrade, when realistically, it should be the trireme that gets that, as that is one of the things they were built for.
Interesting that they've given lampades (Hecate's MU) the ability to transfigure enemy units into chickens (through a tech upgrade). Should now be possible for Circe to turn human units into pigs (of course, she'd have to be trainable, but a mod can take care of both)
My biggest complaint about the change in god portraits is Gaia, and to a lesser extect Aphrodite and Theia (I'm 50/50 on Dite), but Gaia looks _horrible_ now. Not culture accurate at all! She looks like groot's mother, and no, that is not more accurate to her role as the earth goddess. All historical depitcitions/descriptions of her were that of a beautiful woman. It was Marvel that made her a living tree. (Marvel also NEVER showed an accurate depiction of Hel)
They also didn't do a good job showing Hel's or Nempthys's more decayed sides, not when compared to the original portraits. There is also potential issue of them using AI to create the portrait of Apollo, or at the very least edit it (look at the hand that is drawing the bow, and count the fingers)
In the section "treasury", they say the atlantean generate favor by the oracles.
Honestly that would be a good change since the Atlanteans used to get favour by just using the TC, and they used to have kinda stronger Myth units compared to others (imo) but now since Myth units have been buffed (Minotaur being able to use the skill on multiple units at once for example , or the centaurs being kinda op now because of their new ability) it kinda made sense to make the Atlanteans also have a better favor gathering methos to balance their myth units
Generally speaking, I do like a lot of these changes, they just make sense, keep the game fresh and more fun.
Also I hope we get Man'O'War somehow, it was such a cool unit XD
Man o war is a great concept but does not damage 11
29:01 I think it means ALL units get +10% and atop of that heroes also get +5%, but yeah wording is wierd or they just messed it up. Also 25% more bonus damage, I think it means that e.g. imagine spearman dealing 10 damage to everything and 13 damage to cavalry so it deals 3 bonus damage to cavalry so the bonus means 10+1.25x3 damage against cavalry.
I usually play gaia (1900 level on steam). Under my perspective greek were debuffed, specially Zeus; norse were buffed because they now have more units; atlanteans are very likely to have been buffed because the villagers now cost 2 population, not 3. In the original game while you produced one villager your enemy already had villagers working and that was a great advantage. Since the villagers tend to collect slower than in the original game you will be forced to produce hero villagers and that will make the game become more difficult as time advances. About the favor generation I hope there is still some free favor since oracles are weak and almost useless in the late game.
Godi is actually Godhi, but they forgot the H. Like if they spelled Thor as Tor. Basically it's pronounced GO-THEE.
I hope someone will mod in the old portraits, new ones are really bad
Hades is not evil... If you read, you will find out that he was the most decent of the bunch.
Also, Odin should be depicted holding his spear. Gungnir
Zeus infantry no longer does bonus damage to building :(
They really massacred my boy Zeus!
Hades too
They fucked it up I’m actually upset
@@gessuto6890What did they change?
@@Sonichu3 before he had +25% hp and +20% attack on buildings now he only has +2 range
Hades isn't evil, Poseidon is the evil brother
And Zeus I guess
I feel like this vid could have been better had you actually checked the buffs of the old game beforehand. Quite a bit of misinformation and "I'm not sure how it was before" in this video
I didn’t want to go in depth with the percentages as this is the beta, and I’m sure these are going to be tweaked before launch. I’ll make a much more in depth video when the games fully comes out!
I didn't see the Man O war on the Atlantean tech tree, does that mean they have been removed? If so big nerf to Atlantean naval power.
Hades is a good god. All of the Disney propaganda made him infamous as a villain. He's actually the God of the Dead not the God of Death.
He's a shy, faithful and chill guy.
Btw are the freaking Greek Physicians gone?? What about all the other extra units the amateur mod TotD added for the other civs?
Wait a minute... You aren't a moose at all!
Arent heroes also infantry? so the hall of thanes gives 15% to heroes?
That’s a very good point, maybe the tool tip is correct
I don't like the new design for the minotaur tbh. He looked a lot better in the original game. Human body with the head of a Bull. Now he just looks like a bipedal cow.
Ra had extra HP not damage.
I don't like a free Myrmidon spawning from Hera. It's good, it's interesting, but I just don't feel comfortable recieving units for free, because I am 100% sure I will just forget they exist and never use them haha. But I like that they are trying to make Hera a solid choice when Plenty Vault is the alternative. Speaking as a moderate player, I have no idea if pros see PV as a must or not.
Dionysia 5% hitpoints what a nerf :/
Do the shades do instant kill like they're supposed to in multiplayer?
There are two kinds of shades. Basically mid melee units (which these are) and then the campaign instakill ones. So yea these are just normal little attackers (correct me if im wrong)
@@kria008 I do not know why they would have two kinds of shades.
Will AOM retold have new minor gods? Eg, Egyptian civilization having an optiion to pass through Sobek (crocodile god) might be interesting.
Pretty sure it just replaced Hathor because it made more sense with the petsuchos myth unit
Though, the promised some new major gods, like Freyr. So, they can add some new minor gods too.
Amateur artist here! The portraits are very weird, for me. I don't feel the artist was coherent in their style and made some really weird artistic choices. Like, why does Gaia look like a bad female remake of Groot, why is Chronos purple all of a sudden and why does Seth have these weird cartoon ears? Isis looks like she is from Russia, not Egyptian at all, same goes for Zeus who looks like a buff Santa Claus. I don't even know what is going on with Ra's headdress, or why Poseidon's bracers have completely different ambient lighting than the background suggest they should have. They're very easy to pick apart and find all these weird inconsistencies.
edit: Wild claim here, but I think the portraits were made with AI assistance and the artist did a very bad job of hiding it. Look at Loki's background, the tree on the left side is really weird and wonky, or how Zeus abbs anatomically make absolutely no sense. There is this weird discrepancy in style where some parts look really realistic and then there is a thing, like the hand that holds Poseidon's trident, it's like it's like terribly done anatomically, as if the artist wanted to fix some things the AI didn't do so well, but just scribbled it in without any real knowledge of anatomy. This is either not a very good artist that uses AI to assist in things like composition and design, or an artist with a lot of potential, but needs to follow some art classes.
Am I the only one bothered by hades and Poseidon being switched on the screen?
Well now I am!
DUUDE, RIP SET ART. went from cool edgy to generic.
Am i the only one who thinks the god drawings are ai?
the UI is really bad and boring imo
I didnt like the art style of the game....
i likex the art style tbh , some building look too cartoonish but for the most part it looks good ESPECIALLY the myth units.
What i dont like is the god portraits, especially bast, zeus and isis
the ui is trash. Is basically ao4 again, just awful.
The in game style I like, but the god portraits and top UI I’m not a fan of
You "didn't" or you "don't"
There's gonna be mods for that day 1 anyway I guess
The gods art about it being AI seem to be accurate look at Zeus side peck carefully and Hades thumb on the right hand. Also I thought Set has a canine face not a hog face mix with anteater. Not a fan of groot Gaia
Bro they did not use AI for the art 💀💀
Set had a snake head, I think.
Set has the head of a Set Animal, which is to say that we're not really sure what it is supposed to be. Might be an extinct animal, might be heavily stylized, might be entirely made up. The long snout is a distinctive feature of the Set Animal, but usually he is depicted as more like a canine or jacket instead of an anteater.
@@USEC_OFFICER yeah, I know about uncertainty. I just recall of him having a serpent neck, which is a bit confusing. So... why the long face?
Are the Chinese still in the game?
Nope, they are coming later. Completely reworked
thankfully no, same with most other EE changes
The game has 2 expansions planned. I assume Chinese will be one of them.