Melisandre's Importance | Who is she? | The Great War Sacrifice | Game of Thrones Season 8 Theory
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2018
- Game of Thrones Season 8 will be returning in 2019, But in the mean time we can try to figure out where certain characters story lines are going! We first come across Melisandre in Season 2 or in the book A Clash of Kings, Melisandre is mysterious But Who is she? Melisandre says she is from Asshai, born a slave. But actually Melisandre's true identity may surprise you! Melisandre just may be closer to the Children of the forest than we actually think!!! In this video I will discuss Melisandre's Importance, who I think she really is and what Melisandre will be doing in the great war! Thanks for Watching! Please Subscribe :)
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Melisandre was probably more powerful at the Wall due to the high magic concentration from the Walls construction. It is said that the Children used their magic on the Wall......
Lord6of6the6Blackmoon This is exactly my theory too.
I think she said she was "stronger" at the wall , not "more powerful". There is a difference.
I will just add onto this thread since you said something I was about to anyway, kudos on that.
So basically the children of the forest are not, in my opinion, confined to Westeross because of this:
" foul concoction brewed from the nearby trees - until their lips turn blue, the better to frighten children." in regards to the warlocks of Quarth.
"better to frighten children" of the forest in Essos would be my bet, a simple "we have conquered the childrens magic by taking the faces from the trees and drinking from its sap and leaves gives us power, the power to destroy the children" a message marked by their blue lips.
If we take it that the children became one with the weirwoods after death, then to drink a concoction made from that trees sap and leaves is a sure fire method of taking its power for yourself, something which you can probably bet the children were not happy about but could not stop.
The idea that greenseers are confined only to westeross forgets that patchface exists, that the quaif exists and decides without cause that a thing can only happen in one place and nowhere else without quantifying why in any way.
The doom of valyria for example, was predicted/prophecised by the Targeryans that fled, predictions and prophecies happen all over and for that to be true you would need seers, maybe not green seers if that is specific to westeross weirwoods (though I doubt this due to maggie the frog being from Essos but fitting the green seer description very closely.
Now I am not saying that Melisandre is definitively from Essos, but what I am saying is there was nothing in this video or any other that I have seen which would lead me to conclude she is from Westeross or that green seers can only be born in Westeross, whereas there are plenty of examples which indicate the opposite to be true.
I was thinking this also
That was my understanding
I would happily listen to you read the whole book series. You have such a enticing and soothing way of brining the words to life. Consider me a sweet summer child!
No one in JJ.R Martin's books are pure evil. He's a master at exploiting his characters grey areas.
Tony S so he gave Geoffrey, Euron and Ramsey redeeming qualities in the books? Because on the show there is nothing good about any of them. Cersei, Jaime, Tywin, Stannis, Robert, Caitlyn, High Sparrow... sure they had a little to a fair amount of good in them, but there are definitely some characters I feel are pure evil.
it's freaking G.R.R.M, for the Great Other's sake!
@@graphiquejack id say baring those few most people in GOT do things we love and sometimes stuff that makes us uncomfortable. No ones hands are clean
@Graphique Jack you need to dig deeper on the show which a lot of you have refused to do. They did a great job w/ the entire show IMO. Ramsey was supposed to be sympathetic in the sense that he was a bastard who was always trying to please his father & his insecurities and natural propensity towards sociopathy turned him into the monster he was. He genuinely cared for Myranda, he was saddened by her death and telling Maester Wolkin to feed her to the hounds was him trying to act like he didn’t care. He was embarrassed the Maester saw him in a moment of vulnerability. He genuinely respected his father & when he killed him in the end he did it out of fear; he didn’t want his father lording the new baby over him and he was afraid his father would forget about him. When u look at Ramsey’s motivations & his entire character, he becomes somewhat sympathetic. His actions are motivated by insecurity & his sociopathic tendencies ( hes not a full blown sociopath bc they don’t feel like Ramsey does) make them severe. He is evil
But that evil comes from a sympathetic place. Joeffry did genuinely care for Marjorie and although I don’t think she would have been able to temper his worst instincts, she would have made him a much better king to the common people. It was his mother who ruined him by doting on him and refusing to believe he was turning into a monster. She let that go unchecked. Waving at the door, being somewhat cool w/ Marjorie’s charitable acts, standing up to his mother & taking Marjories side ( something Tommen never did) were all supposed to be hints by the show runners that with the right guidance Jeoffrey could be tamed at least a little. Would he still torment Sansa, yes probably, and we saw that it didn’t change his disgusting actions towards Tyrion but she could have at least tamed him to the point to where the ppl wouldn’t be starving & she had a much better chance with him than with Tommen at getting Cersei out of Kings Landing bc Joeffey didn’t let his mother disrespect his wife like that. He shut her down every time she tired which was a redeeming quality in him. It was Tommen’s inability to stand up to his mother than got his wife killed. That wouldn’t have happened on Joeffrey’s watch & Joeffrey would have put the High Sparrow down right away. Euron does respect Yara. That’s clear from the fact that he refuses to kill or torture her like he would have done with Theon. Not too many men respect strong women in this story & although it didn’t seem like it during the King’s Moor, he was trying to win a election and the best way to do that, as we saw with 46 and now with Bernie’s old as*, is to appeal to men’s misogyny. However when he was alone with her he didn’t hurt her, and he said he wanted to keep her alive for good company but it was really bc he respected her. He didn’t respect Theon at all bc he thought he was coward; and he knew yara wasn’t a coward. He’s also loyal which is more than what most of these lords and ladies can say. He went all the way to Essos & had a big army on that long trip back and could have convinced them to fight for him bc they would have had no choice as they were at his mercy on his ships, and Cersei has many redeeming qualities as a mother
If only he was a master of writing faster.
Best Melisandre theory yet!
Jessica Dennett thanks doll!
This one gave me chills, Gray! Love it!
Yesssssss goal achieved!!!
GrayArea
Most original theory I've heard since The Smokescreen - Godseye Theory. And that's saying something!
You, Talking, and Smoke are my favorite channels!
Never thought about Melisandre like a wildling, but totally plausible with your pieces of evidence. I can definitely see her sacrifice herself in order to destroy the Night King. Great video 🖤
The best GoT explanations and theories hands down. Love the background music too.
Melisandre Is low key a top 5 character
*HIGH KEY
She’s hot, evil, and mysterious. The holy trinity lol.
Man I needed this juice today. You are right on time Gray.
That makes so much sense!!! OMG! Thanks for putting all of those clues together!
Brilliant video. I haven’t heard much of what you shared. Thoroughly enjoyed your commentary.
This video just gave me goose bumps. Thanks for the juice Gray.
When the Night King declined a one-on-one fight with Jon it reminded me of when Ramsey Bolton old Jon that he may beat him in single combat but he knows his army will beat Jon's army. I bet the NK was thinking the same thing. Especially since he saw Jon kill a WW at Hardhome.
Ok... theory time from the S8e3... We all saw Melissandra take off the broach, walk off and die... but I think I saw her "dust" (a la Avengers). Presuming others saw that too, I submit for thought that Mel was actually a Night Queen, a converted person like Benjen Stark. She couldn't die because of the magic from the NK, but wasn't bound to his will like the rest of the Others. She became a follower of the Lord of Light knowing that she would need that power if she ever wanted to help stop her ex-lover. How else did she get by the Army of the Dead without getting waxed to get to the front door in this episode?
As usual, excellent video!! I see her being a willing sacrifice to aid in the war to come. Knowing that her greenseer’s blood will help, makes all the more sense. Thanks, Gray!
Totally Brilliant Gray. This could be truly wow on the show and in the books. Thx for this as always keep ‘em coming. ✌️
Thank you Ms Gray.. Enjoying this channel. Looking forward to to going over your older videos.
Now THAT was some juice💣my mind is now officially blown 💣 I'ma watch again. Wheeee!
Am I the only one who seems to not be getting like half my notifications from RUclips lately? Seems like its only the channels I don't really care about that I get notified of. Ugh.
Also, great video! Melisandre better not be put on the back burner in season 8 like she was in 7. Her and Varys are the two characters I NEED to see a good resolution for. Backstory and a good payoff! But only 6 episodes left, it worries me greatly that I'm gonna be disappointed.
Great video Grey...very informative.
Excellent video Gray!
Now that is, in my opinion, one of your best pieces of analysis to date. Great work and I think you are on the button. Great to watch 😁👍🏼
Most definitely! Her sacrifice will be a powerful part of the story. Great video ♥
I love the way you do your videos absolutely the most logical conclusions! Thank you!
Wow, this just totally blew me away. I can't believe I didn't make at least some of these connections, but after watching this I'm convinced you are very much on to something. Well done and thank you!
I finally subscribed. Fantastic analysis! Love, love, love it!
You are right! Righter than I know. GREAT theory! I really TOTALLY love you!
Great analysis! Thanks for doing these.
Hollyyyy shiiiiit. I was definitely on that Nissa Nissa theory, but I never even thought about her being a wildling/greenseer. You have a brilliant mind mama
Jessie Rankin she could still be Nissa Nissa. I actually think the first Nissa Nissa was a Child of The Forrest. The word Nisse actually means garden nome, I did a video on this. On how the Nisse have all the characteristics of the COTF and how they are even considered shape shifters!! So her sacrifice could be a Nissa Nissa like sacrifice and if she has Greenseer blood of COTF blood! History would repeat and come around full circle!
GrayArea was it an older video? Cause when I first found you I totally binge listened. Imma go back and find it.
GrayArea - what is the video called? Or can you possibly link it in the description of this video? Thank you!
Lady Brightroar Unless Jon loves her she can't be Nissa Nissa. No matter who Azor Ahai is I doubt they love Mel
@@GrayArea Not to be a nitpickin twit, but our "Nisse" has more in common with a goblin or the little people. They are small and can be quite mischievous but if treated right and respected will aid you. Best regards - a norwegian nisse
Wow! I love your take on Melisandre - so informative and well done! Thanks for sharing!
Random thought, but it would be kind and of great if it turned out to be a part of her storyline....what if The Red Woman is Jenny of Oldstone?
That’s deep
Well done! Bravo. Love the theories, keep them coming.
OH my goodness YES!! you got it!! Agreed!! thanks totally makes sense hooray!!
great video, loved your ideas, lines up with alot of my own. thanks for all your hard work!
I absolutely love this theory Gray!! I have contemplated the similarities between Melisandre and Ygritte before in the past and this kind of brought it all together for me. Keep the videos coming....they really are helping me get through the long night!
yet another top theory from grey area
Some very interesting ideas, Grey. I'll watch to see what becomes of those as season eight progresses.
Thanks!
I'm bummed I only now found this channel! Love your analytical skills and your smooth voice!
You should totally do audiobooks I’m like in love with your voice!! Loving the content keep up the good work!!
This is crazy awesome!!! 👏🏼
I am currently reading A Dance with Dragons, and as soon as I finished this chapter I rushed to RUclips to see if you had a video with your thoughts on her visions in the flames, and I’m so excited this video exists! Great theory! Love your videos! They’re so well put together and so well thought out!
This is the smartest GoT channel up in here! Love it!
Fascinating theory my Lady. Well done.
Your voice is amazing!!! And I love your theory!!! Brilliant 💕
Amazing, thank you so much for this one
Great analysis and extremely fascinating. You are a ASOIAF detective! Thanks!
Amazing vid! Interesting original !
Wow, very well done! Yes, I agree it's perceivable that Mellisandre is from Hardhomme and possibly a green seer. I also agree that her character fulfills the book characters of the witch of Highheart and possibly Nissa Nissa. You have introduced another aspect into the theory of her blood mixed with the soil around the heart tree at Winterfell. I love it!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Love it! you are amazing. thanks
This is brilliant. You've given me a lot to think about. Thanks.
Thank you for the great job you have done. Also you have a great reading voice!
Brilliant as always! Historically “number of years beyond count” is a very wide variety... in Maya tradition is anything bigger than 20; in the Old Testament 40...
Another wonderful, informative listen 😁
Another great video Gray! Love the way you think
Lydia Quinn thank you very much
Ahhh! this was so good!
Thank you again Grey Area your videos are always great I look forward to them the way you tell the story is so real like I'm there 👑🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺👑🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲
Cheryl Baxter ,Stormborn Thank you sugar!!❤️
Good sleuthing! I like your theories!
i really like your videos and the way you analize and break it all down in a way thats easy fore people to understand. well done.
dang where in the world do you come up with these amazing ideas????? Great Great Great!!!!
Creepy but AWESOME! Keep up the good work!
Fascinating! You do some great sleuthing Grey. I hadn't associated Mel with Hardhome, but you laid out some great evidence for it.
Awesome video!
You blew the lid off with this one
Such a good video!!
Sweet Summer Juice!
Am I the only one who actually LOOOOVE Melisandre ❤❤
HIND I like her too. Very misunderstood
HIND I like her. But she has to have a purpose. I like this purpose.
Yes, she IS very misunderstood. Absolutely.
HIND I do like her a lot, but I wouldn't say I love her. Princess Shireen screams are still with me.
Musspuss ughh yea. I love her except for that time. Rip the princess
I hadn't known about the Starks' "Old Way" of feeding their trees. I bet you're right on this one, Gray.
The way you connected her past to Hardhome through that one line in her POV was 🔥🔥🔥
Excellent theory! I"m on board.
Really great insight into her.Thank you.XO
All good 👍 love your theories 🤙
That was a wonderful video...
I’m re re re re re re re reading ADWD and I knew you had a video about Melisandre’s chapter, it’s very good! Just needed to re re re rewatch it! Thank you !
Great insight!!!
This is your best video yet
just found your channel. just awesome keep up the good work. also subbed \m/
Great job! You've really grown on me
Rich Gang thank u
Damn you are good Gray Area. I can’t tell you how many videos I have watched of yours and been mind blown 🤯.
Wow what an amazing video and your voice is amazing 😍
Wow...this is so awesome!!!
Awesome juice Gray. I can't wait to see how her story arch goes,and I think she's definitely a Greenseer.
You are sooooooo awesome! Thank you for all you do
Great video like always! You know, you should do a audio read of the books! I love your voice, pretty sure I'm not the only one! It would be great to read along while listening to you narrate! Just a thought!
Tight grey love yo theories
As usual you analysis is great, and very helpful to us non-book readers! Melisandre has been wrong with deadly results, and yet the savior of Jon, so she now needs to get some redemption. Her origins are intriguing and it’s great to hear more information on this. Her powers will be useful in the coming war, but what will she do beyond her own sacrifice ? Thank you Gray for giving us juice to survive the Long Night!!
I think she will try to access the Weirwood net and interfere with the NK that way. The NK seems to be connected to the Weirwood net, which is how he interferes with Bran, Maybe Melisandre can do the same.
The theory is that Davos brought back Jon...his belief!
Randy Suyematsu i definitely agree with you
Read an insightful comment recently (perhaps, under one of Grey Areas’ videos or Alt Shift X) theorizing that the ultimate way to transform the Night King and nullify his powers will be during a fiery final showdown with the Night King ending in engulfing the weirwood network in flames. Destroying it completely.
After listening to Grey Areas’ video and theories, Melisandre’s role (and that of her army of fire priests and priestesses) seems like a dynamic and tremendous visual conflagration of the weirwood network and the destruction of the Old God’s power. I cannot imagine Bran surviving this showdown and remaining in his physical form.
We’ll soon find out!
Gray area you are awesome I love hearing you talk game of thrones. A great beauty telling us the stories we want to hear.
Melasandre! a sociopath? noooooo...... LMAO. Great video Gray. 👏👍🤙🐶😁I hope I spelled that right. 🤔lol
Best theory I've heard so far
I've read all of grrm books. This theory really grabbed my attention .excellent work. Really outstanding .
Finally someone else who thinks about Melisandre the way I do! You video gives me hope :)
Fn Awesome!!! Totally agree with u! Thx fr "Winterpeg" Canada, home of the "White Out"(hockey)
Ah, the sweet summer voice. Love you GrayArea.
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I swear you always have me thinking about theses theories. Your along with a couple of others are very interesting. Even if they don't come true they are still fun to listen too. I hope they are accurate because that would make the story so much better
I love the way you narrate! Do you do story telling?
Wow gray 😍 you are just the best
Najma Sherin Thank you!😁
This is actually a really great theory. I read her chapter over and over trying to decipher everything. There’s definitely something up with her. I wish they would have done in the show what they did in the books, she changing Mance Raider and the Lord of Bones, and showed Jon and sent him to winterfell. That was so cool. I also wish they made her eyes red like they are in the books, this is what gives her that presence of terror or power to most
i like melisandre she really thought she was doing right- i believe too that she will make a significant sacrifrice
intelligent, well reasoned and insightful.
Darren C thank you so much!!!
Ok... wouldn’t it be funny if Melisanldre was the. Original Nissa Nissa. We’ve seen characters bought back from death, We also know that She has certain powers. We all keep speculating about her seeking her death in Westeros, maybe her role is to be Nissa Nissa again, for the sake of defeating the darkness (??). Also the rubies are most definitely a source of power/magic. Considering this, with the variety of things Melisandre can do with her ruby, imagine the all those rubies set into the armour of Rheagar and events at the Battle of the Trident... mmmm interesting concepts, quite possibly tinfoil assumptions!!😂😂
Melena Rigg whoaaa I likey!!! Rhaegars rubies would have been covered in KINGS BLOOD😱
No way she is Nissa Nissa. No one loves her in Westeros. Open your eyes people on all your far-fetched theories.
She doesn't seem so tied in with the other priestesses of R'hllor, who are all about Dany. I've been thinking for awhile that it's perhaps her visions are actually derived from greensight. Who knows, maybe she is a Bastard of Bloodraven and a wildling woman at Hardhome. I've also heard some theorize she is the child of Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar.
Jawjagrrl I was reading some So Spake Martin and GRRM says that Melisandre is acting on her own accord. She wasn’t sent to seek out Stannis. She did it on her own.. and has her own motives which I thought was intense, honestly. Moqorro and the other red priests are dispatched but Melisandre didn’t come to Westeros that way. I’ve heard the Shiera+BR theory as well.. but I actually think Melisandre is to old to be their kid. Years beyond count seems like a really old long time. If she was B+S=M she would be what 60? 80 at the most. I don’t think that’s old enough.
Jawjagrrl The Hound actually had a "fire vision" so some magical force is high-lighting events to get people involved. I just wish they'd be more obvious for Milisandra!! she's deadly!
GrayArea
I have the feeling this will all go way way way back to the first legends...