One piece of information that is perhaps not clearly explained here is that ultimately pain is not an input signal to the brain but an output from the brain. In other words, it's the brain that produces the pain. Pain is a personal experience highly based on past experiences and context, and its intensity is proportional to the perception of threat.
Notice, when you do things like stub your toe, you often have just enough time to think "thats gonna hurt" before the pain arrives? If pain is gated by those three elements in the spine, can medication target those to nullify pain?
As someone who has RA & Fibro, I can tell you that there’s different “flavors” of pain, and nerve pain is the worst. Fun fact: people like me who are in a lot of pain 24/7 don’t feel that “high” when taking pain meds, so we tend not to become addicted to them.
@@Chrisallengallery ...but a quick notification is a bad thing when you have a quick alert that your chest hurts, and then an hour later you’re dead from a painless heart attack.
@@Chrisallengallery U control ur pain. The earlier u take d lesson & implement life on that lesson the earlier the pain will leave. U got to get better in taking lessons than remaining in d state of dramatic reactions.
Interesting. Not something that I had given much thought to. Will you please host more Seeker videos, please? You speak so clearly and concisely and make things easy to visualize. No vocal fry, no annoying 'sidemouth', just well-spoken and presented.
I didn't know about the 3 gates, so now I need to figure out where they all are as I live with chronic pain. Pain is a broad topic, so I thought you might touch on how emotional pain works, and why it feels like its coming from the chest. There should be quite a bit of data on the threshold of human pain, which is say much higher than that of a rabbit. And then how endorphins work to mitigate pain, and how poisons can trigger it. I clearly should be a pain specialist.
Y'all don't know what pain is until you've felt fibromyalgia pain. Ha! It's constant and relentless. I dare Seeker to do a segment on that pain. It would take a month just to get through the basics!
Ever had a herniated disc in your spine in turn pinching off the nerves running down your leg? One of which being the sciatica, Cause I gotta tell ya, it’s horrifying and I don’t think anyone likes that pain, I’m a week and half away from surgery on my spine
I’ve been going through nerve pain for a couple weeks now turns out I need surgery on my spine it is absolutely horrendous I wouldn’t wish it upon my enemy
@@Hahaha-px5ep cool.. I wish I knew this fraud a long time ago.. Anyways I got cured from a severe medical case myself.. I had chronic liver issues.. What I had to do was just eat veggies and fruits as per my weight 😂.. In no time I went max like 3months from bed ridden to bull riding state.. You keep your doubts I will keep my experience.. Voila.. Btw checkout a greatest medical study in human history.. called 'the China study'.. Do definitely cheeit out..
I recall a case of a work injury, where a spike passed through a worker's foot. He screamed all the way to the hospital, only to discover the spike had passed through the boot but missed his foot. The expectation of agony literally created it, even in the absence of injury. How does this gate the explain that? I find that tougher to fit in than meditation/hypnosis/placebos nullifying pain.
Normal pain like cuts scrapes minor fractures stitches I can ignore. My partial thumb amputation where 1/2 of it was ripped off 14 months later I still have massive amounts of nerve pain constant pins and needles feeling. I've gotten stitches with no numbing. Nerve pain medication like gabapentin effect my moods and mental health to much to be taken regularly
So people who can’t feel pain have malfunctioning nociceptors? I always thought pain was based on intensity of nerve firing. Like maybe a certain amount of pressure doesn’t hurt but after a certain threshold, it does, same idea with heat.
I have had Fibromyalgia since puberty, and it creates two kinds of pain. There is the obvious musculoskeletal pain, due to hypertonic muscle tissue constantly stressing itself, my joints, and the muscle’s muscular attachments. It’s stiff and sore like you would expect. The second, and equally problematic pain, is the ambient pain. It is a pain that is just sort of… there. It is always present but never specific. The closest description I can give is the odd sort of pain you feel after a limb has fallen asleep for a significant period of time. Like when your arm is totally numb. It takes attempts to move it and time for the sensation to come back. That ache, that pain you feel as the limb wakes up… that is closest thing to the ambient pain. It’s like a constant low level version of that everywhere. I’m pretty sure it has to be my brain processing stimuli wrong, or something along those lines.
Gate control makes sense to me. I injured my finger and part of the rehab was the keep tapping the stump until it wasn't painful anymore. Took a few months of tapping
Imo receptor specificity is clearly absolutely necessary, in order to distinguish different stimuli - and the downstream processing is, I suspect, what creates our perception/experience (i.e. "sensation" - similarly as in e.g. sight, hearing, smell, etc.,...).
I’m so fascinated by the relativity of pain ever since I got a tattoo and somehow put myself in a little mine trance or something like that for the first half of the tattoo, it felt like a tingle. It was such a trip. Literally a tingle!! Then I almost fainted and for the second half of the tattoo it hurt a lot and I could not trick my mind again
I think children have more sensitive nerves and also adults have more life experience so a stubbed toe feels like a minor inconvenience compared to other struggles in their life but to someone who’s only been around for a few years stubbing their toe is literally the worst thing to ever happen to them so far in their entire life. Not based on any science just my two cents.
@@crisptomato9495 also I think it's to do with the emotional factor of pain. Since children often do not have the emotional maturity to deal with certain pain, crying is their only way to cope with the stress of being in pain and being so panicked by it, while adults know how to "suck it in" better from experience overall.
@@dhruvagarwal extreme grief is debilitating, the pain effects one physicality. It is difficult to move at times. Being OK in society is impossible. People say they are sorry for you but it means nothing. It must be a psychological shock & state that is realy understood. Nobody can see it, they have to take your word for it, or mostly not. It's like crawling on the bottom of the ocean. No-one can see you. Explanation is futile. Understanding is nonexistent. Does this exist in my brain electricity? I think it will if it is looked for.
@@dhruvagarwal another pain can exist in a lost limb that is not there anymore. The brain still reacts as if it is still part of the body. I would like to understand this.
You should look into how red heads feel pain differently. Personally, I am miserable in the cold, but can cut or whack myself with a hammer and clearly feel far less pain than another person. Since I do a lot of DIY, it's not uncommon for me to bleed onto something I'm working on and that's how I realize I've cut myself. Separately, my eye surgeon supposedly wrote a paper/article that I inspired after I warned them I needed extra anesthesia and I still kept waking up during surgery to the point that they ran out. Heck, I was actually back awake before the surgery even started and FREAKED the surgeon out
so many different 'types' of pain, not possible to cover all types in a single video. if you have any direction on chronic pain discussions (backed by research, please), i'm interested. thanks
I have long thought and said that intelligence is distributed throughout the body and does not reside ONLY in the brain. Obviously the brain controls most overall functions, and is where highly complex thought occurs (in some of us) but a heart will beat with no nerve inputs (as I understand it), here the spinal chord gates pain to the brain, so no brain control there, and systems like the gut are FULL of control feedback loops, etc. It is almost ALWAYS more complicated when you start to understand a subject into its fundamentals and interrelationships. I suspect there are MANY many more that will be discovered. So far we basically know nothing about the brain, compared to what I predict we will 50 to 100 years from now. Statements made by those in the know today may very well cause rolled eyes in the average intelligent well read (or programmed, or whatever, at some point) person of the future. The exponential curve of knowledge seems to be near vertical at this point with more cumulative information learned and stored in a week than was accomplished in a year not all that long ago. Thing is, it will just continue to approach the vertical...you think it's a crazy ride now, imagine living when AI has far surpassed us (if it does, seems pretty likely if the discipline continues) and we are TRULY just along for the ride. Reality is weird, quantum mechanics all the way to philosophy, maybe, in terms of answering the ultimate questions to life, the universe and everything. That is unless, of course, you buy into that 42 'thing'. I have not decided yet. :)
This body, this body holding me Be my reminder here that I am not alone in... This body, this body holding me Feeling eternal, this pain is an illusion 🤘
Were the same theories and research going on and accepted in various countries at the time? Are we mostly talking about English-language medical literature? Curious how these ideas developed and spread.
That goes for pretty much everything too. Well never rlly get how the brain creates our experiences until we understand our capacity to experience anything at all: consciousness
That's ridiculous.. Pain is easy to understand. It's a signal the brain receives and thinks is damage from a specific area, therefore it sends out pain signals to protect said area (even if there's no damage (chronic pain)). Pain is just signals, nothing more. If I burn your arm, but cut of the signaling bridge in your spine, you won't feel a thing. Just signals... Yes, it's a simplistic way of explaining it, but pain is not difficult to *explain* , it's just difficult to treat.
@@declaredjeans7555 There are different types of pain emotional and physical pain. Emotional pain is connected to "consciousnesses" and phiscial pain is connected to soul ... " Lol Ik this sounds crazy but it very unexplainable let me try an simpler approach" ... We really have no reason why we fell a tremendous amount of pain at death ... We have no idea why pain can't be a pinch instead of varying. Tbh we have no idea about how things work we just we make assumptions and if they work at the time being we leave it to be. For example ... The idea of pain 🤷♂️
Yeah gate theory ignores all but neurology. Hematology Endocrinology, and P2 receptors + loudest noise theory come into it.,.. caffeine for example ameliorates pain [a little] since it is adenosine agonist.
Pain won't be a problem very very soon.the crystalline healing chambers are now in place and about to be open freely for all to use...don't worry you won't miss out
"LIfe is pain. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something." ... bruh.
True though. We are united by our common suffering.
True..."there are funny moments throughout the way".
If you feel no pain how would you know you are alive 😃
@@TheNyleve16 With the smooth taste of Dr Pepper of course.
No its not... liiiiies
One piece of information that is perhaps not clearly explained here is that ultimately pain is not an input signal to the brain but an output from the brain. In other words, it's the brain that produces the pain. Pain is a personal experience highly based on past experiences and context, and its intensity is proportional to the perception of threat.
When you stub your toe at 2am and after 5 minutes your like "ALRIGHT I GET IT!"
Notice, when you do things like stub your toe, you often have just enough time to think "thats gonna hurt" before the pain arrives?
If pain is gated by those three elements in the spine, can medication target those to nullify pain?
@@JM-yd7rq-Is that a common thing?!
I thought it was just me having a delayed reaction to pain.
I wish u would have touched on pain disorders such as fibromyalgia
I actually came to watch this video for exactly that reason. To see if they talk about pain disorders
@@charl.meyers me too honestly
As someone who has RA & Fibro, I can tell you that there’s different “flavors” of pain, and nerve pain is the worst. Fun fact: people like me who are in a lot of pain 24/7 don’t feel that “high” when taking pain meds, so we tend not to become addicted to them.
We evolved with pain. It lets us know that something is wrong, and we need to address it.
If only it gave us quick notifications instead of constantly ringing.
What's wrong with me internet commenter?
@@Chrisallengallery best comment
@@Chrisallengallery ...but a quick notification is a bad thing when you have a quick alert that your chest hurts, and then an hour later you’re dead from a painless heart attack.
@@Chrisallengallery U control ur pain. The earlier u take d lesson & implement life on that lesson the earlier the pain will leave. U got to get better in taking lessons than remaining in d state of dramatic reactions.
Interesting. Not something that I had given much thought to.
Will you please host more Seeker videos, please? You speak so clearly and concisely and make things easy to visualize. No vocal fry, no annoying 'sidemouth', just well-spoken and presented.
I appreciate that!
i process pain by screaming
Happy to see you doing well !
I didn't know about the 3 gates, so now I need to figure out where they all are as I live with chronic pain. Pain is a broad topic, so I thought you might touch on how emotional pain works, and why it feels like its coming from the chest. There should be quite a bit of data on the threshold of human pain, which is say much higher than that of a rabbit. And then how endorphins work to mitigate pain, and how poisons can trigger it. I clearly should be a pain specialist.
I process pain by crying in the shower
I think that that is a different kind of pain. Sorry for what you went through.
@@dross4207 Its all the same
@@TechnoDagger tuff
I’ve been there you’re not alone.
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Y'all don't know what pain is until you've felt fibromyalgia pain. Ha! It's constant and relentless. I dare Seeker to do a segment on that pain. It would take a month just to get through the basics!
My body processes pain like a chocolate. I can’t get enough.
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Same
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Ever had a herniated disc in your spine in turn pinching off the nerves running down your leg? One of which being the sciatica, Cause I gotta tell ya, it’s horrifying and I don’t think anyone likes that pain, I’m a week and half away from surgery on my spine
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Great video!! The princess bride is quality
I don't like pain, but the more different types I feel the more I can take before it overwhelms me, someday I'll be unstoppable.
I’ve been going through nerve pain for a couple weeks now turns out I need surgery on my spine it is absolutely horrendous I wouldn’t wish it upon my enemy
Why not? If their your enemy, then why wouldn't you wish pain upon them?
Just once Google what is 'DIP diet explained in engilsh' by Dr biswaroop Chaudhary .. You can be healed my friend.. Just give it a shot..
@@onkar8112 My guy Dip diet is fraudulent and diswaroop isn't a real doctor
@@Hahaha-px5ep cool..
I wish I knew this fraud a long time ago.. Anyways I got cured from a severe medical case myself.. I had chronic liver issues.. What I had to do was just eat veggies and fruits as per my weight 😂.. In no time I went max like 3months from bed ridden to bull riding state.. You keep your doubts I will keep my experience.. Voila..
Btw checkout a greatest medical study in human history.. called 'the China study'.. Do definitely cheeit out..
@@onkar8112 life is pain. Anyone who said otherwise is trying to sell you something.
I process pain by crying on the inside and smiling on the outside.
This is very awesome series
I recall a case of a work injury, where a spike passed through a worker's foot. He screamed all the way to the hospital, only to discover the spike had passed through the boot but missed his foot. The expectation of agony literally created it, even in the absence of injury.
How does this gate the explain that? I find that tougher to fit in than meditation/hypnosis/placebos nullifying pain.
So this guy actually suffered from “Foot In Mouth” disorder? 🤣
@@DeathValleyDazed Kinda almost, yeah. It was apparently a groundbreaking leap forward in pain research
Normal pain like cuts scrapes minor fractures stitches I can ignore. My partial thumb amputation where 1/2 of it was ripped off 14 months later I still have massive amounts of nerve pain constant pins and needles feeling. I've gotten stitches with no numbing. Nerve pain medication like gabapentin effect my moods and mental health to much to be taken regularly
Sorry to hear about your painful struggles and hoping you find more relief as time goes by! 🤞🙏
So people who can’t feel pain have malfunctioning nociceptors? I always thought pain was based on intensity of nerve firing. Like maybe a certain amount of pressure doesn’t hurt but after a certain threshold, it does, same idea with heat.
Underrated channel
I have had Fibromyalgia since puberty, and it creates two kinds of pain. There is the obvious musculoskeletal pain, due to hypertonic muscle tissue constantly stressing itself, my joints, and the muscle’s muscular attachments. It’s stiff and sore like you would expect.
The second, and equally problematic pain, is the ambient pain. It is a pain that is just sort of… there. It is always present but never specific. The closest description I can give is the odd sort of pain you feel after a limb has fallen asleep for a significant period of time.
Like when your arm is totally numb. It takes attempts to move it and time for the sensation to come back. That ache, that pain you feel as the limb wakes up… that is closest thing to the ambient pain. It’s like a constant low level version of that everywhere.
I’m pretty sure it has to be my brain processing stimuli wrong, or something along those lines.
The most amazing thing about this video was at 4:35 when a soccer/football player hit the ground after ACTUALLY being tripped!
Loving your clever comment that had me flopping on the ground with giggles. 🤣
I process pain by mitigating vulnerabilities in my mainframe human operating system.
when in doubt shut it out
Gate control makes sense to me. I injured my finger and part of the rehab was the keep tapping the stump until it wasn't painful anymore. Took a few months of tapping
Yup, I feel it!
Imo receptor specificity is clearly absolutely necessary, in order to distinguish different stimuli - and the downstream processing is, I suspect, what creates our perception/experience (i.e. "sensation" - similarly as in e.g. sight, hearing, smell, etc.,...).
Great video as always 👍🙂
I’m so fascinated by the relativity of pain ever since I got a tattoo and somehow put myself in a little mine trance or something like that for the first half of the tattoo, it felt like a tingle. It was such a trip. Literally a tingle!! Then I almost fainted and for the second half of the tattoo it hurt a lot and I could not trick my mind again
Nice video.
Why don’t adults cry like children when they’re in pain?
I think children have more sensitive nerves and also adults have more life experience so a stubbed toe feels like a minor inconvenience compared to other struggles in their life but to someone who’s only been around for a few years stubbing their toe is literally the worst thing to ever happen to them so far in their entire life. Not based on any science just my two cents.
@@crisptomato9495 also I think it's to do with the emotional factor of pain. Since children often do not have the emotional maturity to deal with certain pain, crying is their only way to cope with the stress of being in pain and being so panicked by it, while adults know how to "suck it in" better from experience overall.
No pain no gain in body building world so a little pain should be your friend.
I see we’re all living in Spain. without the S
Wesley reference was worth it!!!!
Like a champion
How happiness works?.can we make ourselves happy without any reason just by hacking our body?
It's easy to explain if you lose your leg. But what about when you lose your family? Grief can be inordinately powerful.
@@dhruvagarwal extreme grief is debilitating, the pain effects one physicality. It is difficult to move at times. Being OK in society is impossible. People say they are sorry for you but it means nothing. It must be a psychological shock & state that is realy understood. Nobody can see it, they have to take your word for it, or mostly not. It's like crawling on the bottom of the ocean. No-one can see you.
Explanation is futile. Understanding is nonexistent.
Does this exist in my brain electricity? I think it will if it is looked for.
@@dhruvagarwal another pain can exist in a lost limb that is not there anymore.
The brain still reacts as if it is still part of the body.
I would like to understand this.
@@dhruvagarwal thank you Dhruv. The 'save' section allows me to read again.
You should look into how red heads feel pain differently. Personally, I am miserable in the cold, but can cut or whack myself with a hammer and clearly feel far less pain than another person. Since I do a lot of DIY, it's not uncommon for me to bleed onto something I'm working on and that's how I realize I've cut myself. Separately, my eye surgeon supposedly wrote a paper/article that I inspired after I warned them I needed extra anesthesia and I still kept waking up during surgery to the point that they ran out. Heck, I was actually back awake before the surgery even started and FREAKED the surgeon out
Yeah that's nothing to do with the colour of your hair m9
@@ChrisDrift It does. The same variation in the MCR1 gene that causes red hair also leads to changes in pain perception
@@fitztastico Are you sure this comment is not a “red herring?” 🤣
Without pain, one can destroy himself or herself...
or maybe, at least, not in the case for "Deadpool".
Stop surveillance on my house *wearing Deadpool sweater.......*
Yeah, without pain you wouldn't know what is wrong
1 minute late... Yet there were 5 first comments.
PAIN!
As someone experiencing 2nd degree sunburn, I'm processing pain badly
so many different 'types' of pain, not possible to cover all types in a single video. if you have any direction on chronic pain discussions (backed by research, please), i'm interested. thanks
I have long thought and said that intelligence is distributed throughout the body and does not reside ONLY in the brain. Obviously the brain controls most overall functions, and is where highly complex thought occurs (in some of us) but a heart will beat with no nerve inputs (as I understand it), here the spinal chord gates pain to the brain, so no brain control there, and systems like the gut are FULL of control feedback loops, etc. It is almost ALWAYS more complicated when you start to understand a subject into its fundamentals and interrelationships. I suspect there are MANY many more that will be discovered. So far we basically know nothing about the brain, compared to what I predict we will 50 to 100 years from now. Statements made by those in the know today may very well cause rolled eyes in the average intelligent well read (or programmed, or whatever, at some point) person of the future. The exponential curve of knowledge seems to be near vertical at this point with more cumulative information learned and stored in a week than was accomplished in a year not all that long ago. Thing is, it will just continue to approach the vertical...you think it's a crazy ride now, imagine living when AI has far surpassed us (if it does, seems pretty likely if the discipline continues) and we are TRULY just along for the ride. Reality is weird, quantum mechanics all the way to philosophy, maybe, in terms of answering the ultimate questions to life, the universe and everything. That is unless, of course, you buy into that 42 'thing'. I have not decided yet. :)
WHAT KIND OF RECEPTORS ARE INVOLVED WHEN SOMEONE WRITES IN ALL CAPS?
They should be “decapitated.” 🤣
I'm surprised you didn't mention congenital analgesia!
Great video
Life is pain.
This body, this body holding me
Be my reminder here that I am not alone in...
This body, this body holding me
Feeling eternal, this pain is an illusion
🤘
Were the same theories and research going on and accepted in various countries at the time? Are we mostly talking about English-language medical literature? Curious how these ideas developed and spread.
The thumbnail😂 I thought it's Chris Evans
We'll never know what "pain" is till we understand what consciousnesses is 🤷♂️
That goes for pretty much everything too. Well never rlly get how the brain creates our experiences until we understand our capacity to experience anything at all: consciousness
That's ridiculous.. Pain is easy to understand. It's a signal the brain receives and thinks is damage from a specific area, therefore it sends out pain signals to protect said area (even if there's no damage (chronic pain)). Pain is just signals, nothing more. If I burn your arm, but cut of the signaling bridge in your spine, you won't feel a thing.
Just signals... Yes, it's a simplistic way of explaining it, but pain is not difficult to *explain* , it's just difficult to treat.
@@declaredjeans7555 There are different types of pain emotional and physical pain. Emotional pain is connected to "consciousnesses" and phiscial pain is connected to soul ... " Lol Ik this sounds crazy but it very unexplainable let me try an simpler approach" ... We really have no reason why we fell a tremendous amount of pain at death ... We have no idea why pain can't be a pinch instead of varying. Tbh we have no idea about how things work we just we make assumptions and if they work at the time being we leave it to be. For example ... The idea of pain 🤷♂️
What u wanna say about headache
Medical Cannabis helps a lot with my emotional and physical pain 😁
Just think, what potential this research can do for advancing torture techniques, and the potential it has to bypass pain.
Life is pain. I agree
As you wish!
Ouch
Best summary comment of the week! Loving it!
@@DeathValleyDazed thank you
3:40 omg that dudes thumbnail
Yeah gate theory ignores all but neurology. Hematology Endocrinology, and P2 receptors + loudest noise theory come into it.,.. caffeine for example ameliorates pain [a little] since it is adenosine agonist.
Ah, so these are the gates Rock Lee be opening 😅 😂
So if we scrape her ourselves, our body sends a signal to our brain? Cuz when I hurt myself I feel like immediately
uh yes
Ah yes something to remember whenever I feel pain
Hard cores are actively resisting reason. Fence people are open to the possibility of changing their minds.
Pain is bad but chronic pain is a whole different beast
I’m going through emotional pain
The world shall know pain.
Shinra Tesnsei!
I’ve had a headache for 8 months, pain is stupid
I guess this is the foundation for the inner eight gates 😂
Love hurts
But what is fibromyalgia?
i don't blame you. the screaming eels cant hurt us.
The pain you have is wonderful and you should thank it for that
No gain, just pain
pain
Pain won't be a problem very very soon.the crystalline healing chambers are now in place and about to be open freely for all to use...don't worry you won't miss out
Every thing goes over the head 😁
"Pain is pain"
- pain
Spain without the S
What is pain?
You'll know it when you feel it!
Pain olympics
Second best comment summary of the week. 🤣
My definition of pain is when seeker uploads a video
Wondering if seeker will follow up with a video on humor to cancel this painful video that triggered your prickly comment? 🤣
Guy's 8 gates? 😱
Lol...
Pain is when I listen to politicians. Either party, it’s a bipartisan pain.
I feel your pain!
Wow this guy lost a lot of weight. Props to him
dude. pain ist weakness leaving the body
But rubbing your pain can detach a cancel cell and distribute trough your body.. just saying.
Yep yep
My leg is paining
Pain don’t hurt
I still want to know why masochists exist. How does one get pleasure from pain? I just don’t understand
Well just produce a video like this one 🤣
As you wish.
as soo as you said "life is pain"
princess bride quotes get a like from me
Simple, it sings Three Days Grace.
Ok.
Someone explain Fibromyalgia.
;)
I have pretty bad Fibro. Still no reason for the pain. It's just..."there". All the time.
>:(
"association for study of pain" ...WTH😂😂
Watching to try to understand why my ex was into BDSM (unlike me). Still don't get it.
She says that she does it because she can’t feel emotions.
@@dross4207 who ?
@@dhruvagarwal what do you mean ?
@@dhruvagarwal but how ? what's the effect ? And then why only a small part of the population is attracted to it ?
Cultural? I had to ponder that one for a bit
Pain is the thing u feel after u drop the candy you were eating while talking
I like garfield
Bruh..