Parkland Survivor: My Dad Think's Shooting a Hoax
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2021
- An anonymous Parkland survivor claims that his father has fallen for QAnon, and now believes the shooting was a hoax. Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks. Watch LIVE weekdays 6-8 pm ET. ruclips.net/user/tytlive
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Any parent who would turn on their child for being a victim is no kind of parent.
@@thecheshirecat299 What reason is there not to believe it?
Indeed. I got a Faux News Channel addict for a mother who thinks Trump still hasn't done anything wrong.
@@thecheshirecat299 Your one aren't you Q-cumber.
You got to start deprogramming Qanon followers and treat it like the cult it is. America also needs to improve education and punish misinformation on social media.
@@thecheshirecat299 OK Jimmy.
I'm sorry son but your dad sounds like he was always a douchebag and beer gives him the courage to be even more so , be your own man .
Libreral in Oklahoma Key word is always !!
good advice, Lib in Ok.
I whupped my Dad when i was 13yr old.. Never laid a hand on me after that.
Sounds like this dad too needs some "attitude adjustment"..
This is so sick. His son almost died and he is choosing to believe he faked the whole thing. SICK. I wonder what his mother believes.
That school had what, a thousand plus students? I'm sure there are quite a few nut job, asshole parents of the survivors, statistically speaking anyways.
It's actually pretty common to have parents like this. He's trusting the source that validates his opinion and makes him feel good. His son not being included.
She is staying with the Husband, refused to intervene, and the son has given up on both of them.
Parents do this because it's easier for them to shame their own son than to admit the truth that they have been terrible parents. They have probably been shaming him his entire life while neglecting him.
@@rudeboyjohn3483 Typical case then; narcissistic parent (the father) plus covert narcissistic enabling parent (the mother). It's a very prevalent dynamic in toxic households. She will tolerate whatever that piece of work does to her children, but as soon as he does something that affects her personally (like cheating on her) she will divorce his ass overnight.
How the f*** is your kid going to get caught in a mass shooting, but you're going to be like "nah it didn't happen."
You have to be a special kind of messed up for that.
This is very disturbing. That father needs a slap, and the son needs to move out.
That's when you cut ties with your own father. That man is dangerous.
Imagine believing your own son was lying about being shot at, at school. Worst father ever smdh
I was tweeting with a young boy hiding in his classroom DURING THE ATTACK. THIS father needs to have his parental rights removed... he is not sane enough to prove fitness.
Imagine believing the internet over your own kid.
stupid people will never look up to smell the shit they are face down on.
ofc i would believe the internet over my kid,my kid doesnt know shit,the internet knows everything lol
@@deenman23 Dad ..... is that you ?
@@andrewbrady6154 im still looking for that milk formula kiddo
@@deenman23 Don't ask me .... I don't know shit !🤣
That sounds a lot like people I've met, who don't believe I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse because I "seem so normal". 🙄 So, we struggle to survive, do the best we can, and are punished for that?
Same
Well if you didn't seem so normal they'd tell you "just get over it, it happened so long ago" smh
If he had lost his son in the shooting, the trajectory of his life would have been forever changed. He had better count his blessings!
This should be considered mental child abuse
Anna said "people don't care unless it affects their lives", but that should be amended to conservatives, not people.
Make no mistake, no matter which side of the fence u lie, it happens. Power is corruption, and those that have it will be corrupted. Liberals can easily become the controllers of destiny if left unchecked, and they too will simply say if it's not happening to me, I don't care.
nahh naahh , people !!!:!
Sure, it's the right today but in the early 20th century it was the left. Many countries fell to the left leaning socialist or communist ideologies. Those people got pulled in by propaganda just as surely as the right wing Q believers today. I'd wager good money that those ordinary people who embraced the revolutionary left thought the same way - "It won't harm me". We need a balance of left and right to check the power of each other.
@Ms. Kitty Katt Do me a favor and re-read what I wrote. I'm sure u missed the point of my comment.
I think it should be left as people. I find it amazing how easy it is for so-called progressives to shit on the values they pretend to prescribe to..
TYT's Audience is filled with racist and privileged kids wanting handouts.
Based on the values and rhetoric they project They're more like the old Neo-libs than progressives.
It's all just race-baiting and distraction while supporting policies that don't help the poor at all.
On important progressive policies likes trade, taxes, education, and economic equality they are complete flops
Its ok to be liberal, But TYT is still just looking out for their rich privileged interest when it comes to the important issues that really make a difference
If this doesn't show the dangers of Qanon there isnt much more to say, and adding alcohol to the mix really doesn't help.
Q exists because government is for sale to the highest bidder, selling perpetual war and massive unfettered
Power hierarchy’s.
@@uncomfortabletruth5915
Hasn't 'Q' stopped posting? Aren't these broken souls now just coasting on their own twisted egos?
@Dave Gilmour - I don't think Q was set up for Trump, I think Trump was set up for Q. So they can lump all conspiracy theorists together. Label them all as Q even though a lot of conspiracy theorists believe that Trump is part of the elitists plans. But that's just my conspiratorial mind at work.
@Dave Gilmour - Conspiracy theories have been around for way longer than Trump has been elected president. Q is a conspiracy theory that Trump is some sort of savior but not all conspiracy theorists are Q but that's what they want everyone to believe. The basic way I see it is that Q is a conspiracy theory that republicans are the good guys and the democrats are the bad guys when conspiracy theorists have thought for eons that they're "all in this together". It's just more divide and conquer strategy. Yes, there's a lot going on. Ultimately it's for the great reset or the new normal or whatever else you want to call it when the world becomes one and people lose their rights and free will.
Do you know what I find interesting? I'm going to tell you anyway. Most atheists and a lot of Christians don't believe in free will. It's the one thing a lot of them have in common. It's really easy to take away from people something they think they don't have to begin with.
Exactly why not everyone has the intelligence level to be a parent.
Sad when a child has more intellect than their parents.
There comes a time in your life when you realize your parents aren’t as smart as you thought when you were a kid.
This is definitely that moment for this kid.
Mine came when I was told my kids would go to hell if I didn’t baptized them before the age of 5
I feel terrible for this poor kid. His father is suffering from paranoia.😟
This is more like discovering the knife his father has put in his back
If the father prefers propaganda to his own kid, he failed as a parent.... which is worse than just being wrong about what you believe in
If his son had died, he'd probably swear they cloned his body and he was abducted or some other bs...
Wow when your own child was a victim you still like nope, didn't happen. The fact he mentions his alcohol abuse kinda let's you know where this father's mental state of mind is like.
No, it let's you know there's more here than meets the eye as soon as somebody's character is called in to question, I question the one blabbing, you don't tarnish someone's name unless your trying to cover something up. But be fooled cuz it's all a "Conspiracy Theory" the go to when the media doesn't want you to know the truth. Cuz yeah
This sounds like child abuse to me. He should not have had custody of his son with this nonsense. That had to have added to that poor kid’s trauma. That’s torture.
30 years later, the parents wonder what they did wrong and why the kid doesn't even call them anymore.
you know what sadder. the dad believes and trust qanon crazies more than his own son.
The son conflicts with his own world views.
Hence cognitive dissonance and probably schizophrenia have him in their grasp.
My heart breaks for the son. I can’t even imagine how much that has added to his trauma.
My family has gaslit me about my trauma but I’m sure this sort of trauma makes that far, far more upsetting.
Trauma/PTSD, is no joke, & definitely not an easy problem to deal with. Sorry for you, and this young man having to experience more trauma on top of your existing trauma. 🌹
I suffer from PTSD and anxiety after an assault by a drunken family member. My mom's side of the family gas lit me and I cut the entire side out of my life. I'm sorry sourgreendolly that you had to go through that! I hope you heal, and I hope you can find joy in your life if you haven't already.
That's so sad. It's like hearing about a mother defending the father, when the child says that the dad molested them.
A personal friend of mine, a young beautiful Burmese girl, late teens, was taken to the US by an American married couple. She was showcased on a church lecture tour, to say how she was sexually abused in Myanmar - in order to generate donations for the Bible-Thumper couple who used her. When the girl complained to the wife that the husband was sexually abusing her, the wife scolded the girl for telling lies.
WTH?!! That boy needs all the support this country can offer, can't even imagine what that poor kid must be feeling.
Mark Twain said "It is easier to fool people then it is to convince them that they were fooled".
my dad always says that..
That's HORRIBLE. I've seen abusive homes but this is psychotic.
It is, it's brainwashing. You see this in cults which have, lets be honest, always been a problem here in the US but are emboldened by the internet now. As I mentioned elsewhere, they are on the path to believing that their son is not only NOT their son but either a fiction or some sort of alien/demon. That is literally the path this manipulation takes, the cult doesn't want them to listen to family or friends outside of the cult that could unwarp them.
This father was blessed enough for his son to survive ! Sounds like his father would have prefered his own child dead as proof? The father is absolutely sick imo, very sad.
Sadly, this kids father is beyond hope, he's a lost cause.
My dad says the same thing about rape, including mine. Some dads don't deserve children.
I hope you don't live in the same house as him.
A DAD should protect and support his family above all else. As the Father of 2 daughters, my heart goes out to you. You shouldn’t have to experience that or relate to this. No one should.
I'm so sorry you're going through that.
@@Kap3lka nope, not even in the same state.
@@persephonestardust2498
I'm glad to read that. Take good care of yourself.
In Ken Burns' documentary on Prohibition the point was made that everyone was voting for Prohibition for everyone else, unaware that it applied to them too. That seems to be how it works.
@Dave Gilmour Nor do l.
@Dave Gilmour Sadly, the few I know still blamed someone else.
Conservative Christians also had a big role in pushing prohibition to become law.
Yeah, just like censorship. The left think it won't apply to them.
@@beeforeal5497 Cancel culture is less of a left-wing thing and more a right-wing talking point. Both sides censor, but who is censoring the truth and who is censoring lies that are hurting people.
How can any parent be so terrible and uncaring to their own child.
you should meet my mother and father, step father. lmao
This is such a sad story. That poor child was not only traumatized by a school shooting, but now one of own goddamn parents thinks it is a hoax. I really hope that kid has a support network. I'm not even religious, but I will be praying for that child.
Just want to give that kid a hug.
He doesn't need his dad. As badly as he wants that relationship..
@Democrats Are Obedient Sheep. Would you keep a toxic family member or friend in your inner circle?
@Democrats Are Obedient Sheep. I'm sure a full time drunk, holds a full time job... lol right
@Democrats Are Obedient Sheep. Oh, another tRumpite. You can tell, because they have no arguments, just insults. Don't worry; don't be paranoid. We will leave you alone. So you will be free to wallow in your own crapulence.
I mean ever since Trump became president, America has shown the entire world how insane the country truly is.
I'm so glad that I'm not among one of these Americans who've been brainwashed by the words that came out of this guy's mouth. My man has convinced all of his followers that the election was stolen without any viable proof and he led an army of these people into the capital in spite of losing that election.
Sad as it is..he just needs to write his dad off...I am sure he still deals with PTSD from the situation. His dad is toxic in his life
"After heavy drinking" Poor baby. You are NOT your parents and children can out grow their own parents
@Frankie T. Wankum Esq. You seem like such a sweetheart. 🤣
@Frankie T. Wankum Esq. Touchy.
Can you imagine being the son of a survivor from a school shooting and your OWN FATHER thinks it’s a hoax. Just when you think it can’t get more crazier then it is you find yourself wrong.
The father has PTSD. He can't face the fact his kid could have been killed. So, if he makes it fake, he doesn't have to believe it happened.
You can't tell me that this isn't a cult now.
Poor kid. Daddy's a delusional narcissist. He should be institutionalized.
Holy shit. Could you imagine going through something so traumatic and your parent doesn't even acknowledge it happened? That's the equivalent of brushing away sexual abuse. The same tactic too. Guilt the victim and shame them and tell them that they could hurt the family. This is really sick.
Poor kid what a shame, this takes it to a new level that his dad doesn't believe him even after he almost died and some of his classmates died tragically his dad doesn't believe him even after going to some of the kids funerals himself
they give me money to say that its real
They give me money to say you're real, just in case they think you're telling a joke.
@@aralbrec yeah - and now everyone believes it ... dosn't matter what I say now .. o well at least i got money ... i guess..
Never could I ever have dreamed, as a child of the ‘80’s, that the wannabe celebrity, New York billionaire impersonator who really just wanted a hit TV show, would be responsible -either directly or indirectly-for so much misery. Not to mention the destruction of any semblance of political normalcy and the near collapse of our 250 year-old democracy, though he’s not dead yet so the jury is still out on that.
👏👏👏
The fact that his son is alive and survived a shooting is the real crazy part here, would he believe if it was true if his son died? 😐 if I was his child I would ask him right out 😑 smh
His father and anyone else who believe in Q need to be medically evaluated.
As long as that evaluation takes place at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.
*euthanized
I, genuinely, have no idea why Q is not a terrorist group unless it is run as a front by the government to detect terrorists?
It's his own son. He trusts someone he never met on the internet more than his own son about an traumatic experience he went through? How can you be more lunatic than that?
He could be the mass killer...
Narcissistic Dad, abusing his child.
This is disgusting...how do you as a parent put your own personal political agenda over your own child's traumatic experience
You become a member of a cult after which your total loyalty is to the cult leader.
You join a cult after which a your loyalty is to the cult leader.
You join a cult after which all your loyalty is to the cult and its leader
nancy_ross.exe has stopped working
@@benselander1482 it must not compute!
Wow, that is really sad
Time to cut all ties with dad and pray for him to find his way home.
That man has no reason being a father. Qanon, has ruined a lot of peoples lives. This is no longer fun, and it’s dangerous. We’re devolving
Wow, that poor kid.
Father needs phsyciatric care and most likely wont get it. Thsts a tragedy too.
This father is just a sick, terrible person. I hope the survivor removes this toxic father from their life.
Well, you gotta be terrible person to support Qanon. It's not surprising.
Some Qanon also kills their own child.
Oh my goodness! Who does that to their child? That's beyond disgusting.
I think the son should ask his father, "Please tell me that mom used to sleep around & that you aren't my biological father."
I could understand the parent of a victim jumping to conspiracies as a coping mechanism to explain a tragedy. Accusing your own kid of being involved in the conspiracy, and blaming them, is next level crazy.
It’s sad that these people will sacrifice their loved ones just to keep their BS Qanon beliefs.
Imagine your own parents not believing that your life is in jeopardy.
If this and January 6 doesn't tell you that there is a serious issue with mental illness in this country that needs to be addressed, I don't know what will
You do realize this was an anonymous reddit thread?
Yeah, hearing these stories from New Zealand, I'm honestly questioning why half these people aren't being locked up in the looney bin. And there'd be tons of corporate profit to make from doing it, so I'm even more surprised that the US hasn't gone there yet. It's not like locking up perceived looneys is hard in the US, unlike in NZ where a series of scandals in the 70's and 80's prompted the near elimination of in-patient mental health facilities (and started a general neglect of mental healthcare that now has serious repercussions). Though now that I mention it, I suppose the issue is that these people just weren't and aren't _perceived_ as looneys in the US, at least not until they've already gone off the deep end. Now that's a scary thought. 😩
@@whj4x41 I don't care what thread it is. Whether its true or not, there are thousands if not millions of similar stories of psychopaths with the dad's mindset in this country. Reddit or what ever, there is a serious problem with mental health in this country that needs to be addressed
Not all parents or blood relatives are truly good to have in your life. Sometimes, you have to cut them out and move on.
Yup you gotta walk away. Family over all else is b.s. life is short get away from ppl who make your life worse
To the person who lost his father to bullshit propaganda: I had to write off my father over thirty years ago because of the way he could brainwash himself into believing any kind of bullshit he wanted. There was no convincing him of anything that contradicted what he wanted to believe. As hard as it was to live the rest of my life without him, it was actually a relief to not have to deal with someone trying to con me into believing so much of his crap. All you can do is say your peace and walk away. Your sanity is what you need to get by in life, and separating yourself from those who jeopardize it is imperative.
How old is the kid? If he's under 18, child services seriously needs to take a look at this home. That dad is not fit to be a parent.
Don’t think he can be younger than 18 and been a survivor of that shooting. It happened in 2018.
@@courtneyadams2172 Well, it's possible to be a freshman at 14. Also, if the has younger siblings that's an issue too.
Misinformation is destroying the world my goodness
Just a certain sect of this world, Moseley the ignorant weak minded people who only follows instead of educate themselves
You only noticed that?
That sounds like my father, narcissistic personality disorder and basically every Republican. It's narcissism and NOTHING that goes against what they feel or think or want to believe is real. Everything they say is right and YOU"RE crazy. I was told that my whole life when I knew just like with R's now that I wasn't wrong and it ruined my life.
It really does seem like narcissistic personality disorder and being a Republican go hand in hand, the more and more time progresses.
@@SeanStrife .....scary thing is when they hide in the democratic party like trump used to do. Pretending to care about others. Pretending not to be racists. They are the smarter actors it seems and need to be called out.
Wow you just described them to the t. That was the best description I've heard in a while about the people of that mindset. Serious narcissistic disorder, not to mention delusional and very fearful and paranoid of those things that they don't understand
If there is ever a case for giving the old man the finger and leaving home ... And where's Mom in all this?
I was curious too, so I read the Vice article. 'Bill' hasn't been able to speak to his mother about this because of reasons and he also hasn't been able to speak to any of his friends, classmates, fellow survivors, relatives or counselors because it's too traumatic. But he did make that post on Reddit! So that happened.
Enabling her abusive, POS, alcoholic husband (and their religion), no doubt.
Imagine your father loves Qanon more than his family…. Real sad stuff
"We hold strong to family values." - conservatives
"I will forsake my family to follow some conspiracy theories thought up by complete strangers." - also conservatives
They think simply saying that shit is good enough; not realizing you have to actually follow through on it for it to actually matter.
The Internet, if left unsupervised, is a dangerous tool.
Thats no father
That is so sad. My heart breaks for this boy. I am so sorry that you have to deal with this. Smh
My dad beat me bloody many times when I was a kid. I paid my own way through college (and graduate school) and and never looked back. Haven't communicated in any significant way for 35 years. Worked for me. YMMV.
Same here. I haven't seen my father since I was 8, and hadn't lived with him since 5. My abiding memory of him was him hitting me with a belt, and hyperventilating in a corner after, one of many times. My sister has reconnected with him recently, but I've got zero interest.
That is scary that someone can be so willfully blind and able to deny their own kid's witnessing to buy BS.
Frankly, I hope the son cuts off contact. Maybe dear Dad will change his tune if grandkids enter the picture.
If he doesn't care about his son,he will care less for the grandchildren
I get that in some instances the people who have bought into conspiracy theories were victims of lies and cons. In this case though, I will not give that POS of an excuse of a father that comfort. Betraying his own child like that, what a lowlife. Hopefully, the son is able to cut all ties, and find the love and support he needs
"Whenever he's drinking," is a big clue
Unfortunately many Americans have difficulties understanding cause and effect.
Many more suffer do to such difficulties.
My question is, what kind of parent was this guy before the mass shooting? This father couldn't have just woke up one day & call his son a liar. He obviously was a horrible person overall in my opinion!!
This is abuse. No other way to describe it.
He's only 18! It breaks my heart for him so bad.
In a follow up post he said his dad was purposefully trying to trigger his PTSD to keep testing if it was “real” or not… truly sick. I hope he gets out safely!
Wow… so sad! I literally can’t imagine living like that.
Wow, that's evil. To his own son. Little does he know when his son leaves he won't be coming back
God damn, that's awful. I hope he has somewhere to live away from that POS.
You're father is gone. Not trying to be mean. He's gone.
3:47 yeah so similar to the UK and Brexit, you have businesses owners who voted for it and are facing lots of additional paperwork to export or their EU staff have left "I didn't worry because I think it would effect me"
Sometimes, parents suck.
This is the problem with our sensitive media consumers. This dude's dad needs to be emailed actual pictures of his son's dead classmates every day until he gets it. I was vacationing in Ireland when Uday and Qusay Hussein were killed. Pictures of their dead, bloody bodies were on the front page of all the newspapers. It was impactful. I still remember those photos like I picked up that paper this morning.
This kid needs to leave the house before his dad takes "revenge" and murders him.
Sever ties with the lunatic father. Don’t need him in your life.
This son should take his father to a doctor to have his mental state evaluated. Not believing your teenage child was involved in a school shooting cause some keyboard warrior said it was fake on a forum? That's on another level.
This country is beyond screwed.
Pretty much
This is cognitive dissonance on a whole other level.
We've got major problems in the bones of our country.
How stupid can you be to think that something that happened to their own kid, was fake?
This is why it's called a cult
father definitely has drinking problem
The dad makes perfect sense. He's a man with no internal strength who can't bear to accept that his son was almost killed, while he wasn't there to protect him. Maybe he was never a great father and the idea his son might have died and left things where they were with no chance to make it right scared him too much. Whatever the specifics, he would rather be angry at his son and consider him a liar than face reality, and he has weak enough mental discipline that he's let himself go for it. Most people are not strong of character. It's like the parents who hear their kid was molested by a stepdad or uncle and call the kid a liar. However the person always imaged they'd handle such a situation, in the moment they fear coming to terms with the implications so much, they leap for the nearest convenient delusion. It's common. What we consider bare minimum moral integrity is actually a standard many do not meet.
That father is extremely weak
They need to remove that kid from that household. Because this can spiral fast.
I would like to know why his mother puts up with it.
Abuse and stockholm synrdom is a hell of a thing
That father should be utterly ashamed and disgusted with himself. Those poor kids, having the horrific day stuck in the centre of their brain until the day they take their last breath.
This kid, jeez. When his dad's drunk?! Kid, escape. Run. Make sure there are no guns in your house.
Never thought I'd be grateful for the likes of Boris Johnson.
How devastating for that kid💔
This is the saddest thing I've heard in a while