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I don't see why you'd necessarily need to weave autos in between E and Q, you can just auto once at the end since that's going to consume all 6 stacks from the passive at once. The only thing you're losing out on is the damage of a regular autoattack and the 1 overwhelm stack you'd get from that, which can of course matter but you're adding a lot of execution time to your combo which has its own downsides.
Electrocute maybe. Also possible Lichbane shennanigans? There are millions of reasons to weave autos inbetween as spellcasters. Mostly is just efficiency. against melees that are unable to defend themselves and it ends with runes like taste of blood, which champs like Ahri strive on.
Especially early game, you need that extra dmg to sway a ton of match ups in your favor. This is particular true on almost all mages. Mid to late, especially if you’re ahead, you can get away with one auto.
Short explanation - damage maximization during low risk trade with little to no caveat AAs during times when you can cancel animations are crucial in maximizing damage output, especially so during early game and for champions with enhanced AA like Mel or Seraphine. Using skills immediately after your AA goes off (ranged) or deals damage (melee) cancels the animation, weaving in more damage, in exchange for slightly longer execution time. This is also seen more so when you have CC abilities, since there is no tradeoff when you weave in extra AAs during their downtime. If your enhanced auto has stacking capabilities and you are aiming for quick bursts/trades, then you can be less mindful of doing this. Although the downside is that you won't get the AA damage, you will have less execution time to do it, and the enemy will have lesser time to react to it. Passive of Mel which stacks to 9 projectiles is a good example, and even Seraphine's notes, because that AA deals a small burst damage that can catch enemies off guard. This is especially so for Mel since she has execute. In Mel's case however, while her enhanced AA stacks to 9, each AA or skill increases the overwhelm stack on an enemy. Those few extra AAs may be the game changer, but that depends on the situation as well. Just make sure not to weave in AAs if there are risks to doing so. Early game skirmishes are where weaving in AAs shine the most, too. Long cooldowns or spells not yet learned mean that 30-40% of your damage comes from you weaving AAs within your combo. Each damage contributes to you possibly getting lane and jungle prio, and even free kills.
I think it comes down to how much threat you're dealing with. If you're in a 1v1 bot and all enemies mid, and you happen to land a perfect root, sure why not. But if you root someone under their tower and you're quite overextended, might sometimes be safer to not do that first auto after E.
@seventyfour8256 try yourself you gain 1 extra stack if you weave the auto, a drop in the bucket but pretty significant for your level 6 burst. and an extra 40 damage on the trade since your QE has room for a weaved auto
Everybody not understanding why Azzapp is telling us to auto between spells doesn't know what auto-attack timers are, almost every champion maximizes their damage by using their auto attack downtime to get ability damage in.
@@itimotai yes, but its also true that a syndra and a karthus wanna do this too. if you are malzahar and you arent autoattacking and just watching your E do damage you are inting too
This is very true for me as a teemo main weaving in autos when dodging or kiting away from somone is so braindead overpowered since most of the damage is from the poison
Also lil trick if u happen to have stacks on blue or baron or something etc, and u have stacks on some champion, your ult wil proc on everything, that have stacks, which can be used to secure baron as kalista spears, if enemy jungler jump into pit or something so u have stacks on baron and him u can ult that
Azzapp i dont quite understand on why you would want to ult to extend the duration of your stacks. can you execute enemies without ult? or did i miss some key information Edit: i have tested it myself yes i didnt understand you can execute enemies with anything too i thought it was only ult on champs and anything on minions
You can execute with any of your abilities + aa as they all apply the passive. As long as YOU apply the passive to damage them below exec, it will proc. Doesn't work if allies get them below execute
I'm an ADC main, but this season I went mid, and Been maining Ahri, but Mel. IS. FUN. just her gameplay alone is fun, and her ability to execute is just the cherry on top. Its been a long time since I was this happy with a new champ.
@@_sanygame_921 yeah, but what I meant is that she has very similar in abilities too. Q circle ground ability, E lineal CC, ult high damage single target. Well you could ult multiple targets as Mel, but you will normally be ulting for the one guy you can kill.
Azzapp is probably my favorite streamer right now and I also followed a lot of his tips which helped me climb a lot this season. But I have to disagree on Malignance on Mel. I played a ton of Malignance Vel'Koz, and it's not bad because Vel has a strong ult which can be used frequently. But Mel on the other hand has an ult that will stay off cooldown half of the time, simply because you haven't picked a fight with anyone, or never did any trades that were worth ulting after. Mel stacks up her ult damage by fighting enemy champions, and it's obviously not as easy as shooting a massive laser from across the lane. While playing Mel, I found myself having my ult ready throughout half of the game without getting any good chances to use it. Not saying that Malignance is useless, but I found much more consistency with Luden for burst or Torch for DPS burn. I simply never found myself in a situation where I went "Damn I wish my ult CD was lower". I also generally consider Luden to be a much more consistent item on every champion compared to Malignance, but I'm a big Malignance fan and I like to build it on Vel and Lux a lot. I think both Vel and Lux are way more useful with the big burst from Luden on their basic abilities, especially since they have spammable poke, but sometimes it's just really fun to have a 15s ult on Lux.
14:20 according to how her passive is written, it stacks up to 3 times on ability use. So if you use 3 abilities, then auto, you will still get all of the stacks on your auto from using 3 abilities. You don't have to use one ability, then auto, then another, then auto. You can simply stack it up to 3 times, then auto. Maybe some clarification is needed here, but I'm fairly sure based on the wording of her passive that you are wrong here.
@joefoulger3510 you are. mages never weave autos in late game teamfights due to how easily they die. all mages should be auto-weaving in lane phase. its why so many take attack speed.
When it comes to passive damage on autoattacks, Does it matter really to weave in autos when the passive stacks up to 9x? So you can use all of your abilities and get that 9x auto off, rather than autoing 3 times for 3x stacks per auto.
The passive stacks above 9x The extra projectiles from it stop at 9 yes But it stacks infinitely, you can see it in the clips if you watch the opponents status bar in top left when it's there The execute threshold is based on how many stacks they have total, so you want the stacks to be as high as possible The ult damage ALSO scales with their total stacks, not just up to 9 But your ult execute
If you read the tooltip, they're technically two different types of stacks The ability 9x ones are Searing Brilliance and the execute ones are Overwhelm
@Rojo9149 I understand the kit. I was just talking about how it's not s requirement to auto after EVERY ability, when many times, especially when short trading it is completely viable to throw out all of your abilities and autoattack then, since you can store those on hit missles
If you’re attacking a tank or in a team fight, weave autos. If you’re 1v1 a squishy, burst. The more stacks, the better, generally. Use your best judgement
@@nailinthefashion you missed the point. The passive on her auto attack stores up to three times per ability use. Which means if you use 3 abilities, then auto, you get the same number of stacks as when you weave autos
I am interested if she would be viable in pro play since she has almost no movement option and no guarantee cc. Most pro mid pick champ with a lot of utility and can flex to other roles. To be honest, her kit kinda feel like Lux. A slow moving bind, an poke spell, an ult that combo 1 shot if you hit your bind and poke spell, and a passive that proc after using spell on the enemy. The only major difference is rather an aoe team shield, she has a invulnerable shield for herself 1 second.
"an ult that combo 1 shot if you hit your bind and poke spell" i'm sorry but after those huge hotfix nerfs, you basically never oneshot someone with a full combo like Lux. And she falls off pretty hard because the ap scalings are too low now.
Their’s one thing I’ve been wondering… Does Mel passive really takes into account the passive of shadowflame ? I’ve been trying to compare builds in game with or without the item, but it doesn’t seem like it does : your passive doesn’t activate earlier with the shadowflame passive, compared to a build with the same amount of ap but without the shadowflame passive. Can someone confirm this ? I’m not sure about it.
@@ayukuro1019 Oh, ok. I guess it still makes sense as a 2nd item if you want to go full burst/high ap build. Champ would be even more broken if the item was actually working properly.
@@nathanaeldotel966 The item is working properly. As azzap mentioned it just doesnt work with the indicator on ult, so you gotta get a feel for it how much dmg it will add with coup de grace, axiom, comet etc and what it doesnt also work is the passive stacks execute, but that is working as intended afaik, because that execute is only based on ur ap.
@@ayukuro1019 I did get the ult part while watching the video. I was only talking about the shadowflame interaction, because on paper the passive increases magic dmg, and Mel passive does magic dmg. My point was, it would have been logical for it to proke on Mel passive.
@@nathanaeldotel966 magic damage of your passive is irrelevant, it simply kills any target that has hp + shields below what your stacks value is. Therefore it is not influenced by anything that increases damage, it simply increases the HP value it executes at based on stacks and AP. Therefore it also ignores anything that reduces dmg like MR i would imagine.
Was this guide made pre-nerf or post-nerf? I wonder because of the lane clearing capabilities, if they changed at lvl 5 with blasting wand or 7 without :D
Ofc is better to auto between abilities but Azzapp reasoning confused most of the people, he didn't say "auto attack between abilities for some extra dmg and 1 stack" he said you would lose more stacks if you e q aa but that is not true because the passive for the basic attack stacks up to 9 so you can e q w and auto and you would lose 2 stacks and 2 basics worth of dmg, the reason Garen didn't have 26 stacks was because he missed his q when demonstrating the second time he did e q aa on Garen it got 26 stacks because q hit for all the duration you can rewind if you don't believe me or you can try it out in the practice tool by increasing the dummy health so you don't proc the passive. EXTRA: I have responded to someone with the exact same message i am just lazy to rewrite so i just copied it
Not a fan of this build im gonna be honest. Malignence doesn't do much itself as most of the time you're using R to kill people, so the damage pool only effects pople who happened to stand next to the person that died, so it only works in teamfights, but that is also not happening every time and for that scenario there is a better item anyway. As for Shadowflame, it doesnt make your passive activate considering the crit, and having that execute bar means basically that you're reducing the potential time that the crit can be active (maybe it doesn't matter much but it doesnt sit right in my head). It still is probably the item that will make the ult deal the most damage itself tho. I do feel like Mel scales better with CDR. I've been going BFT and Lich bane core. BFT has a passive that will actually deal damage during fight and poke, and the ap amp portion makes so much sense for teamfighting, letting you have bigger ults if you tag multiple people. It also has more haste. Lich bane gives you so many good stats, with the haste, combined with the bft, surpassing even malignence's ultimate haste. It help with burst, as you should always aim to aa your target, and also gives a lot of consistent damage, being active after every low cd Q. Would love to hear your thoughts about this.
idk man.. Malignance does not seem to do anything for mel to me, other than reduce ult CD, the circles are useless, i feel like the other lost chapter items are better in almost all cases.
i still dont understand the malignance, it feels like when you ult you are meant to kill people so you dont get value out of the passive item, and the stats on lolalytics give positive winrate to every chapter item but malignance, im not saying its bad but i dont understand it enough, just from watching the video all i got is that it reduces your ult cdr
why malignance and not blackfire for example, in my mind blackfire seems better since when you are ulting you are ulting to kill so malignance doesnt seem as good as blackfire
I don't think you cooked with this one brotherman. Malignance passive is wasted (at least worse than other chapter items) and the only draw is ult cd. It's probably only good if you are already ahead to snowball harder. Shadowflame, while decent for her ult, is anti synergistic with the core of her kit (execute). Yes, it has magic pen and lots of ap which Mel likes, but if you aren't utilising the passive to the full extent so it SHOULDN'T be gold efficient (comparatively). If it's still strong that just means it's an overtuned item and should be nerfed at some point.
i disagree on the item section her best mythics are Ludens (against squishys) or blackfire torch (in almost any other case) her 2nd best item is almost always shadowflame, but other than shadowflame cosmic or liandry are best, u can swap cosmic for horizon too, but shadowflame and liandry just do (pretty significantly) more dmg for less haste i really dislike Malignance and Seraphs as well as not building dcap 3rd also u dont need to do E AA Q AA bcs her passive applies all the stacks anyways if u just E Q AA, u only lose the 1 stack from the auto + base auto dmg
isnt malignance win rate like really bad? last time i checked emerald+ it was 49 (as opposed to 52 for seraphs and blackfire) and 44 in masters+ vs 51+ for literally any other lost chapter item also i believe i saw some other challenger mage player build & recommend seraphs on her ? i forgot who though (& i also dont know how welcome mentions of other content creators r in ur comments so i wont.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) ik winrate isnt all but like; a difference of 7 % in the hands of good players ? r u sure the item is good and its not just u whos making it work..? (💪)
shadowflame is insanely bad on mel no? Not only in general coup de grace and shadowflame are anti synergy with executes but in mels case specifically you can execute people who are above 40% hp anyway making its passive useless. Also, malignance burn doesnt trigger the execute either, making its burn useless and the ult cooldown is also generally meh. For my money, seraphs or blackfire torch are waaay better, because they give more ability haste on your basic cooldowns (which rly confused me because you yourself said that the w cooldown is the most important.... but then u recommend malignance which is just total grief).
You missed the part where Mel's W can reflect auto attacks from ADCs to cause them to crit themselves yeah that's a thing.... ruclips.net/video/ak47Sj_aM0Q/видео.html *edit* I wonder if it is suppose to but there is no out play if they time it when I auto they get it for free if I turn and run I get E rooted and blown up I never thought I'd be banning a mage as an ADC
@griffo73 I figured it might have meant ability projectiles. The issue is that I crit myself for more than 60% of my hp if mel Ws my AA W AA reset since it's so fast there is nothing you could do to counter it. Basically I could never duel mel and I can't attack them or even look at them without them first using W as an ADC. There is a reason Mel has over 60% ban rate now.
@tonydai782 Must not be that simple cause this is not how it works. Shadowflame damage amp does NOT affect the execute threshold. It gets calculated purely by the number of stacks. Mel is actually anti-synergistic with Shadowflame cause part of the 40% healthbar that should get affected does not. And Malignance is just a bait like with almost every Mage. You want to kill enemies with the ult itself and not with the mr shred AFTER
bro her global wr is already negative and it will become even worse day by day as Azzap said. the nerfs gutted her passive and she falls off extremely bad late game. People will just need to figure this out and learn how to play around her and her simple kit. With time she will be forgotten/not banned anymore
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I don't see why you'd necessarily need to weave autos in between E and Q, you can just auto once at the end since that's going to consume all 6 stacks from the passive at once. The only thing you're losing out on is the damage of a regular autoattack and the 1 overwhelm stack you'd get from that, which can of course matter but you're adding a lot of execution time to your combo which has its own downsides.
Electrocute maybe. Also possible Lichbane shennanigans?
There are millions of reasons to weave autos inbetween as spellcasters. Mostly is just efficiency. against melees that are unable to defend themselves and it ends with runes like taste of blood, which champs like Ahri strive on.
Especially early game, you need that extra dmg to sway a ton of match ups in your favor. This is particular true on almost all mages. Mid to late, especially if you’re ahead, you can get away with one auto.
Short explanation - damage maximization during low risk trade with little to no caveat
AAs during times when you can cancel animations are crucial in maximizing damage output, especially so during early game and for champions with enhanced AA like Mel or Seraphine. Using skills immediately after your AA goes off (ranged) or deals damage (melee) cancels the animation, weaving in more damage, in exchange for slightly longer execution time. This is also seen more so when you have CC abilities, since there is no tradeoff when you weave in extra AAs during their downtime.
If your enhanced auto has stacking capabilities and you are aiming for quick bursts/trades, then you can be less mindful of doing this. Although the downside is that you won't get the AA damage, you will have less execution time to do it, and the enemy will have lesser time to react to it. Passive of Mel which stacks to 9 projectiles is a good example, and even Seraphine's notes, because that AA deals a small burst damage that can catch enemies off guard. This is especially so for Mel since she has execute. In Mel's case however, while her enhanced AA stacks to 9, each AA or skill increases the overwhelm stack on an enemy. Those few extra AAs may be the game changer, but that depends on the situation as well. Just make sure not to weave in AAs if there are risks to doing so.
Early game skirmishes are where weaving in AAs shine the most, too. Long cooldowns or spells not yet learned mean that 30-40% of your damage comes from you weaving AAs within your combo. Each damage contributes to you possibly getting lane and jungle prio, and even free kills.
I think it comes down to how much threat you're dealing with. If you're in a 1v1 bot and all enemies mid, and you happen to land a perfect root, sure why not. But if you root someone under their tower and you're quite overextended, might sometimes be safer to not do that first auto after E.
@seventyfour8256 try yourself you gain 1 extra stack if you weave the auto, a drop in the bucket but pretty significant for your level 6 burst. and an extra 40 damage on the trade since your QE has room for a weaved auto
Everybody not understanding why Azzapp is telling us to auto between spells doesn't know what auto-attack timers are, almost every champion maximizes their damage by using their auto attack downtime to get ability damage in.
Also mel has a passive that empowers the first auto attack after each ability cast, which is why lich bane has a high winrate on Mel
@@itimotai yes, but its also true that a syndra and a karthus wanna do this too. if you are malzahar and you arent autoattacking and just watching your E do damage you are inting too
it extends passive uptime. Passive is more important for the execute than the small dps boost
@ Ye, i never said that wasn't the case
This is very true for me as a teemo main weaving in autos when dodging or kiting away from somone is so braindead overpowered since most of the damage is from the poison
Also lil trick if u happen to have stacks on blue or baron or something etc, and u have stacks on some champion, your ult wil proc on everything, that have stacks,
which can be used to secure baron as kalista spears,
if enemy jungler jump into pit or something so u have stacks on baron and him u can ult that
Yippie first to Mel guide
Azzapp i dont quite understand on why you would want to ult to extend the duration of your stacks. can you execute enemies without ult? or did i miss some key information
Edit: i have tested it myself yes i didnt understand you can execute enemies with anything too i thought it was only ult on champs and anything on minions
She can excute without ult
You can execute with any of your abilities + aa as they all apply the passive. As long as YOU apply the passive to damage them below exec, it will proc. Doesn't work if allies get them below execute
she basically has 2 executes
thank you for your service azzapp, i will now use this information to attempt to counter mel
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I'm an ADC main, but this season I went mid, and Been maining Ahri, but Mel. IS. FUN. just her gameplay alone is fun, and her ability to execute is just the cherry on top. Its been a long time since I was this happy with a new champ.
As a main mid, I find Mel to be an easier and safer Syndra.
@@CalaTecTbf she is safer and easier version of every midlane mage
@@_sanygame_921 yeah, but what I meant is that she has very similar in abilities too. Q circle ground ability, E lineal CC, ult high damage single target. Well you could ult multiple targets as Mel, but you will normally be ulting for the one guy you can kill.
Azzapp is probably my favorite streamer right now and I also followed a lot of his tips which helped me climb a lot this season. But I have to disagree on Malignance on Mel. I played a ton of Malignance Vel'Koz, and it's not bad because Vel has a strong ult which can be used frequently. But Mel on the other hand has an ult that will stay off cooldown half of the time, simply because you haven't picked a fight with anyone, or never did any trades that were worth ulting after. Mel stacks up her ult damage by fighting enemy champions, and it's obviously not as easy as shooting a massive laser from across the lane. While playing Mel, I found myself having my ult ready throughout half of the game without getting any good chances to use it. Not saying that Malignance is useless, but I found much more consistency with Luden for burst or Torch for DPS burn. I simply never found myself in a situation where I went "Damn I wish my ult CD was lower".
I also generally consider Luden to be a much more consistent item on every champion compared to Malignance, but I'm a big Malignance fan and I like to build it on Vel and Lux a lot. I think both Vel and Lux are way more useful with the big burst from Luden on their basic abilities, especially since they have spammable poke, but sometimes it's just really fun to have a 15s ult on Lux.
I wish you'd do a series like this for every champ, would straight up elevate the level of the game 💯💯
14:20 according to how her passive is written, it stacks up to 3 times on ability use. So if you use 3 abilities, then auto, you will still get all of the stacks on your auto from using 3 abilities. You don't have to use one ability, then auto, then another, then auto. You can simply stack it up to 3 times, then auto. Maybe some clarification is needed here, but I'm fairly sure based on the wording of her passive that you are wrong here.
the auto damage also accumlates for her passive and also, early game. autos do a lot of your damage in trades.
@ sure, early game you get a bit more damage by weaving. 100%. But late game it seems completely unnecessary unless I'm misreading something here
@joefoulger3510 you are. mages never weave autos in late game teamfights due to how easily they die. all mages should be auto-weaving in lane phase. its why so many take attack speed.
When it comes to passive damage on autoattacks, Does it matter really to weave in autos when the passive stacks up to 9x? So you can use all of your abilities and get that 9x auto off, rather than autoing 3 times for 3x stacks per auto.
The passive stacks above 9x
The extra projectiles from it stop at 9 yes
But it stacks infinitely, you can see it in the clips if you watch the opponents status bar in top left when it's there
The execute threshold is based on how many stacks they have total, so you want the stacks to be as high as possible
The ult damage ALSO scales with their total stacks, not just up to 9
But your ult execute
If you read the tooltip, they're technically two different types of stacks
The ability 9x ones are Searing Brilliance and the execute ones are Overwhelm
@Rojo9149 I understand the kit. I was just talking about how it's not s requirement to auto after EVERY ability, when many times, especially when short trading it is completely viable to throw out all of your abilities and autoattack then, since you can store those on hit missles
If you’re attacking a tank or in a team fight, weave autos. If you’re 1v1 a squishy, burst. The more stacks, the better, generally. Use your best judgement
@@nailinthefashion you missed the point. The passive on her auto attack stores up to three times per ability use. Which means if you use 3 abilities, then auto, you get the same number of stacks as when you weave autos
For people who hates building malignance, ultimate hunter seem to work well as an alternative.
I am interested if she would be viable in pro play since she has almost no movement option and no guarantee cc. Most pro mid pick champ with a lot of utility and can flex to other roles. To be honest, her kit kinda feel like Lux. A slow moving bind, an poke spell, an ult that combo 1 shot if you hit your bind and poke spell, and a passive that proc after using spell on the enemy. The only major difference is rather an aoe team shield, she has a invulnerable shield for herself 1 second.
I think she will be just as viable as syndra with a worse stun but better anti tank and self peel. Obviously very draft dependant too.
"an ult that combo 1 shot if you hit your bind and poke spell"
i'm sorry but after those huge hotfix nerfs, you basically never oneshot someone with a full combo like Lux. And she falls off pretty hard because the ap scalings are too low now.
@@literalmentepimposhe has neither %max health damage nor %magic pen. She can’t do much against tanks.
Their’s one thing I’ve been wondering… Does Mel passive really takes into account the passive of shadowflame ?
I’ve been trying to compare builds in game with or without the item, but it doesn’t seem like it does : your passive doesn’t activate earlier with the shadowflame passive, compared to a build with the same amount of ap but without the shadowflame passive.
Can someone confirm this ? I’m not sure about it.
Shadowflame doesnt increase the execute threshold, it just helps you get enemies to that execute hp and it just has good stats.
@@ayukuro1019 Oh, ok. I guess it still makes sense as a 2nd item if you want to go full burst/high ap build.
Champ would be even more broken if the item was actually working properly.
@@nathanaeldotel966 The item is working properly. As azzap mentioned it just doesnt work with the indicator on ult, so you gotta get a feel for it how much dmg it will add with coup de grace, axiom, comet etc and what it doesnt also work is the passive stacks execute, but that is working as intended afaik, because that execute is only based on ur ap.
@@ayukuro1019 I did get the ult part while watching the video. I was only talking about the shadowflame interaction, because on paper the passive increases magic dmg, and Mel passive does magic dmg. My point was, it would have been logical for it to proke on Mel passive.
@@nathanaeldotel966 magic damage of your passive is irrelevant, it simply kills any target that has hp + shields below what your stacks value is. Therefore it is not influenced by anything that increases damage, it simply increases the HP value it executes at based on stacks and AP. Therefore it also ignores anything that reduces dmg like MR i would imagine.
Was this guide made pre-nerf or post-nerf? I wonder because of the lane clearing capabilities, if they changed at lvl 5 with blasting wand or 7 without :D
well you could do all that calculating or you could just be a garen and ult if the enemy is 50% hp after combo
Ofc is better to auto between abilities but Azzapp reasoning confused most of the people, he didn't say "auto attack between abilities for some extra dmg and 1 stack" he said you would lose more stacks if you e q aa but that is not true because the passive for the basic attack stacks up to 9 so you can e q w and auto and you would lose 2 stacks and 2 basics worth of dmg, the reason Garen didn't have 26 stacks was because he missed his q when demonstrating the second time he did e q aa on Garen it got 26 stacks because q hit for all the duration you can rewind if you don't believe me or you can try it out in the practice tool by increasing the dummy health so you don't proc the passive. EXTRA: I have responded to someone with the exact same message i am just lazy to rewrite so i just copied it
0:12 As You Should! Damn!!
Is Malignance still the best chapter item even after the hotfix nerf ?
My Goat.
Not a fan of this build im gonna be honest. Malignence doesn't do much itself as most of the time you're using R to kill people, so the damage pool only effects pople who happened to stand next to the person that died, so it only works in teamfights, but that is also not happening every time and for that scenario there is a better item anyway. As for Shadowflame, it doesnt make your passive activate considering the crit, and having that execute bar means basically that you're reducing the potential time that the crit can be active (maybe it doesn't matter much but it doesnt sit right in my head). It still is probably the item that will make the ult deal the most damage itself tho. I do feel like Mel scales better with CDR.
I've been going BFT and Lich bane core. BFT has a passive that will actually deal damage during fight and poke, and the ap amp portion makes so much sense for teamfighting, letting you have bigger ults if you tag multiple people. It also has more haste. Lich bane gives you so many good stats, with the haste, combined with the bft, surpassing even malignence's ultimate haste. It help with burst, as you should always aim to aa your target, and also gives a lot of consistent damage, being active after every low cd Q.
Would love to hear your thoughts about this.
cant wait to play her, once the hype has died down.
idk man.. Malignance does not seem to do anything for mel to me, other than reduce ult CD, the circles are useless, i feel like the other lost chapter items are better in almost all cases.
i still dont understand the malignance, it feels like when you ult you are meant to kill people so you dont get value out of the passive item, and the stats on lolalytics give positive winrate to every chapter item but malignance, im not saying its bad but i dont understand it enough, just from watching the video all i got is that it reduces your ult cdr
Big teamfight ult, huge malignance value and ofcourse the cdr is very worth
It’s for the ult CDR not the damage, you’re building the item so you can ult in important fights, not so when you ult it leaves a puddle.
why malignance and not blackfire for example, in my mind blackfire seems better since when you are ulting you are ulting to kill so malignance doesnt seem as good as blackfire
i haven’t seen anyone talking about how her W at max level cost you 0 mana. why not max it first?
I don't think you cooked with this one brotherman. Malignance passive is wasted (at least worse than other chapter items) and the only draw is ult cd. It's probably only good if you are already ahead to snowball harder.
Shadowflame, while decent for her ult, is anti synergistic with the core of her kit (execute). Yes, it has magic pen and lots of ap which Mel likes, but if you aren't utilising the passive to the full extent so it SHOULDN'T be gold efficient (comparatively). If it's still strong that just means it's an overtuned item and should be nerfed at some point.
i disagree on the item section
her best mythics are Ludens (against squishys) or blackfire torch (in almost any other case)
her 2nd best item is almost always shadowflame, but other than shadowflame cosmic or liandry are best, u can swap cosmic for horizon too, but shadowflame and liandry just do (pretty significantly) more dmg for less haste
i really dislike Malignance and Seraphs as well as not building dcap 3rd
also u dont need to do E AA Q AA bcs her passive applies all the stacks anyways if u just E Q AA, u only lose the 1 stack from the auto + base auto dmg
isnt malignance win rate like really bad? last time i checked emerald+ it was 49 (as opposed to 52 for seraphs and blackfire) and 44 in masters+ vs 51+ for literally any other lost chapter item
also i believe i saw some other challenger mage player build & recommend seraphs on her ?
i forgot who though (& i also dont know how welcome mentions of other content creators r in ur comments so i wont.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
ik winrate isnt all but like; a difference of 7 % in the hands of good players ? r u sure the item is good and its not just u whos making it work..? (💪)
uh EXCUSE ME. dark souls, elden ring, AND sekiro 0 deaths. I knew he was a gamer but I didnt know he was a GAMER gamer
shadowflame is insanely bad on mel no? Not only in general coup de grace and shadowflame are anti synergy with executes but in mels case specifically you can execute people who are above 40% hp anyway making its passive useless. Also, malignance burn doesnt trigger the execute either, making its burn useless and the ult cooldown is also generally meh. For my money, seraphs or blackfire torch are waaay better, because they give more ability haste on your basic cooldowns (which rly confused me because you yourself said that the w cooldown is the most important.... but then u recommend malignance which is just total grief).
bro cooked a Michelin star meal
do u remember cihad kiriş?
would ludens or ROA work as well? I feel ROA would work wonders into burst/one shot teams
He beat WHAT with 0 deaths???
no need for this guide because she is always banned!
I just pick Blitz. Hook myself to her. But kinda excited to her die out. She’s just a poke mage. Snooorre
i don't like malignance on mel whatsoever, i find blacktorch much better
I'm unsure about the attack speed rune... her AS scaling is utter trash
You missed the part where Mel's W can reflect auto attacks from ADCs to cause them to crit themselves yeah that's a thing.... ruclips.net/video/ak47Sj_aM0Q/видео.html *edit* I wonder if it is suppose to but there is no out play if they time it when I auto they get it for free if I turn and run I get E rooted and blown up I never thought I'd be banning a mage as an ADC
ranged auto attacks are... projectiles. Of course she can reflect. they get blocked by yasuo W. You can dodge E easely its very slow
@griffo73 I figured it might have meant ability projectiles. The issue is that I crit myself for more than 60% of my hp if mel Ws my AA W AA reset since it's so fast there is nothing you could do to counter it. Basically I could never duel mel and I can't attack them or even look at them without them first using W as an ADC. There is a reason Mel has over 60% ban rate now.
I have decided to permaban this champion after watching this video 😅
Malignance Shadowflame... makes zero sense on Mel
Her ult is good and her passive true damage crits. Seems pretty simple to me.
@tonydai782 Must not be that simple cause this is not how it works. Shadowflame damage amp does NOT affect the execute threshold. It gets calculated purely by the number of stacks. Mel is actually anti-synergistic with Shadowflame cause part of the 40% healthbar that should get affected does not.
And Malignance is just a bait like with almost every Mage. You want to kill enemies with the ult itself and not with the mr shred AFTER
@@zefix3133 Sorry, I think I just misinterpreted what azzapp said when he said ult crits.
Unranked to chal with a 30 ban rate champ lmao
im sorry azzapp im NOT building malignance
Why ? Like ludens better for burst ?
Everything you need to know: BAN, BAN, BAN.
faking Broken champ i was playing with azir and MY soldiers didnt do damag to her when she had shield
wow for 0.75 seconds so broken
All of these guides get shutdown with just a single ban, she is perma banned in my server T.T
Dude plays champ in bronze/silver and does guide accordingly to low elo lane winning rune/item setup kekw
malignance is bad
very e
As if this character even needs a guide 😂
ru server you are not chally.
The build is very bad
nice video but useless, ill perna ban her
lowkey a pointless video cause ur never gonna see her in ranked ngl
You will see her after a week similar to how we see ambessa
Lowkey a pointless comment cause ur gonna see her in ranked after a week
bro her global wr is already negative and it will become even worse day by day as Azzap said. the nerfs gutted her passive and she falls off extremely bad late game. People will just need to figure this out and learn how to play around her and her simple kit. With time she will be forgotten/not banned anymore
useless comment