Hi folks, that's my Supra in the video. What a fun day at the drag strip! We knew these cars would be close, we just didn't know how close. But that's the fun of showing how good modern cars have gotten compared to the classics. I've done two major modifications to the Supra: an HKS Hi-Power exhaust for a little more sound and KW V3 suspension to replace an aging stock suspension. Otherwise, all stock. The automatic transmission doesn't serve the Mk4 well, you're either full throttle to get the most out of it or it shifts at times that don't do the car any favors. I'll do something with the transmission eventually, just not sure what yet. Thanks for watching!
Leave the the transmission alone. It's probably the main reason the car hasn't been modified to within an inch of its life. It's a grand touring cruiser anyways. Too many cars today, like the GR Corolla, can whip it. Just be glad you found a pristine example and enjoy the car for what it is. That's my opinion, anyways.
You seem like a true Supra guy! You mentioned maybe going 6-speed route. The only downside is the insane cost of getting a V160 transmission. Many automatic owners are doing modern ZF 8HP swap. For example whizbits sell kits to easily do a modern 8 speed automatic swap. The 8HP transmission totally transforms the Supra!
@@electrikoptik I've been watching the ZF 8-speed swap videos, and am very interested. The miles on my car (155K) reduce the impact of doing something unique. I'm going to wait several years to do that though, I just got the car fully sorted and am not looking to mess with it for at least a couple of years.
@@runningawayvagabond5876completely. Everyone thinks that buying a big vehicle is safer, everyone buys big vehicles and everyone is still equally as safe as they were back then (minus modern safety tech) but now we’re wearing out roads sooner and using up a bunch of materials and making overpriced oversized crap for the illusion of safety. I daily a 2013 Yaris and the inside of it is roomier than most modern regular compact and even some mid size cars out in the market now. The interior construction is built almost like a minivan, pushed forward and out making tons of legroom and space, and plenty of room out back for regularly sized people. I love its efficiency. Our cars are not efficient. Gas mileage of modern vehicles has not improved nearly as much as power and acceleration. It’s just extra waste. We’re living in a new malaise era.
It's *WILD* how much bigger new cars are. When I had my '93 RX7, I wasn't a fan of the Supra because it looked too bulky to me. It's crazy that the Corolla almost looks like an SUV next to the Supra.
My Dad had a 1995 Toyota Supra w/ manual transmission when I was a teen in the late 1990s, and that car was absolutely incredible to drive. Sadly, in 2006 a bimbo pulled out in front of him and totaled it out. Truly one of the best cars ever made.
The AMG 2.0 4 cylinder kicks both of these butts... tesla model S plaid kicks butt's of most stock anything... so what? HP and TQ matter... not 3 or 6 cylinders or 1-2 turbos... a modded Supra turbo with only 1 turbo will run circles around both... your comment is kinda dumb
What progress in technology? The Corolla is the less technologically advanced car by quite some way when you strip off the junk. Take a look at the tech they were throwing into Japanese sports cars in the 90's. It makes the Corolla look like a bit of a pathetic effort in comparisson.
I'd argue that it was only with the current MK5 that the Supra became a "sports car". All other generations before then were more of GT cars, and I believe it's because of the size.
1993 Supra performance test: 60 mph: 5.2 sec ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 106 mph Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft Car and Driver 1993 edition comparison test of Supra vs other sports car at the time most notably Corvette and Porsche 968 had the Supra placed 1st, not too shabby.
A sports car is any car built with performance at the forefront of development. GT cars can be sports cars. The moIV Supra was built to compete in the JGTC racing series against other cars such as the Nissan GT-R, Mitsubishi GTO, and Honda NSX.
> and I believe it's because of the size. Contrary to popular belief, M4ks aren't very big; not even really by 90s standards. The wheelbase on a Mk4 is slightly smaller than a GR86 (100" vs 101") and the overall dimensions match that of a C4 Corvette. So it's really a 2+2 shoved into the space of an American 2 seater sports car. I think they are so rare that people have rarely, if ever, seen one up close in person, so people get the impression that they were big cars. But park one next to a modern (or 90s!) Camaro and you'll get an idea of just how small the Mk4 really is, the 6th gen Camaro has nearly a foot longer wheelbase and overall length, and is noticeably taller and wider.
@@yume8380 People give 2jz crap because they compare a stock to a stock B58 or others. Failing to realize you put the same tech and internals as the other engines and they are about the same or above them.
I thought for sure that GR Corolla was going to wipe a stock auto MK4 Supra, just because of engine design and technology. The Supra is a dream car of mine and I am glad she kept up like she did!
I worked at the dealer when those Supra's were new. First one we got came off the truck with no gear oil in the 6 speed trans and the salespeople had already toasted it before it was PDI'd and found. I put a dash in a turbo one under warranty and had a good chance to ring it out for a good long test drive. It was quick for the day but it's really not pushing much boost. Like was said here, just a few modifications and it's a fast car. Still light in the rear end though.
LMFAO do your research before speaking thats the V160 WHICH in the early 2000s gave the supra the nickname dyno queen because it made so much power but becasue of the transmission wasnt able tp put the power down as good as the automatic.
@ps.6023 do my research? Are you kidding me? You think the A340 was capable of holding the power of the V160? Maybe you should do your research. Big power Supras with automatic transmissions weren't using A340s. Go do your research now.
The corolla hood height is almost as high as the original CRV. With 300hp 0 to 60 should be 4.8 seconds but the added weight doesn't help. If today's cars were light like 29 years ago they would get better mpg and be faster.
@TflClassics- The manual transmission version's of both of these vehicles may be more "Fun" to drive, but they are not quicker in a drag race. The turbos stay spooled up better with the Automatics. For quickest setup= Add Hi-Stall speed Tq. Converter, & Drag radials.
I wonder how much power Toyota could get out of the 2JZ with modern technology and knowledge. I would imagine 300 doable without even putting a turbo on it
Depends what you want from it. If it needs to meet emissions and warranty reliability levels then it would probably be in the low-mid 300's at best. It was always designed as a turbocharged engine so its not great when n/a tuned. Modern turbos and so on would see it into the late 300's but much after that and you would start running into cooling issues for prolonged use with modern emissions devices. If it was a case of 90's emission levels but modern tech probably into the 450+ range and if emissions just didn't matter 500+. If they didn't care about emissions or warranty north of 700 but again it gets to the stage where cooling (oil, intake and coolant) is the limiting factor for prolonged use. Thats why their endurance racers had the smaller 4-pot from the Celica and ran around 480hp - the lighter engine was also easier to package with the cooling equipment required. Look up the Castrol or Tom's Supras if you want to learn about them - they are pretty cool cars.
It is slower but I vividly remember reading about how great that transmission is and it's only .6 slower than the manual. For the time that was awesome being as a mustang of the same year would be 1.5 seconds slower with an auto.
I can hardly believe there was a time in my relevant past where a MkIV was considered chunky compared to something like a Celica GT-4. I've long been a soapboxer on how heavy modern cars have gotten even since the 2010s, but this makes an excellent visual comparison. Not all that long ago, a hopped-up Corolla like the GR would be in the 23-2700lb range.
First off, big thank you to James for letting Tommy drag race that pristine example of a Supra. As everyone knows, those cars are not cheap. Obviously the engine in the Supra was capable of well over 320hp. Was this because of the Japanese "Gentleman's agreement"?
I own both, a Supra MK4 automatic and the GR Yaris stick shifted (witch is avalible in europe). The supra is a real GT for the german Autobahn. You can easily do 500 miles with it and everytime you stop somebody will come to you and talk about it. The GR Yaris is made for backroads and is realy great fun! I updated it to 340HP and now it is ridiculous fast. Love both cars.
@@ps.6023 Compared to today's sports cars, the MKIV is very comfortable, so for me it is clearly a GT. Of course, you are welcome to have a different opinion on this, but this is mine after 16 years ownership (heard that right - I have had the MKIV since 2008).
You didn't acknowledge that the Supra is losing 20-25% of its power through the old automatic transmission/drivetrain whereas the Yaris is brand new and hasn't lost any power yet.
As a guy that drives a 5 speed manual mustang as my non winter daily there are times It would be nice to pop it into D and go, I will say I wouldn't auto swap it tho. and if all out acceleration is your thing a well sorted auto is faster.
These are cool cars. IMO if the Supra was manual there would be no competition. With that being said, the new GR Corolla is quick. I don't think it will last 30 years, tho. The amount of stress that the 3 cyl engine is way higher than the Supra, but it's also way more practical and easier to maintain. The auto transmissions nowadays are way faster to shift than those even 20 years ago. Nice video!
Yeah there is a big difference between modern and "old" automatics. I swapped a manual into my old Volvo 940 and with everything else being equal it brought my 1/4 mile time from a 15.3 to a 14.9
The J engine from Toyota is a diesel. This is the JZ engine. Big details....The 2-way turbocharger system Toyota works in a manner that is kind of complicated, leaving all the vacuum lines and controls you see under hood. The six cylinders feed the first turbine. Ad the rpm climbs, exhaust gas is bled into the second turbine to bring it online. Most can feel when they are both chugging along. And that is what happens. They are not sequential (first then second), it uses one, then both.
I’m here for Supra fanboy excuses….but but but, if it had a manual transmission, if it had a giant wing, if it had 145 lbs of boost, if it had dragon decals…it would be SO much faster 😢
Like the coyote and barra, it can be made to embarrass anyone very easily. People like these engine for the outstanding platforms they are…. Not stock power.
ok so, altitude should not affect a turbocharged engine unless the peak boost is very low, or the manifold pressure is capped by boost not actual manifold pressure. The turbo will just compress more air and compensate for the lower outside air pressure at any reasonable altitude below 10,000 feet at least.
While I fully get where the Supra’s owner is coming from I would have to make improvements anywhere I could in the same way he did the exhaust. So I would probably go with slightly wider rims and tires, upgrade to the 6 speed stick, upgrade some of the suspension components like bushing, shocks, springs, etc., better air intake, MAYBE a boost controller…. Essentially, I’d keep it mostly stock, but improve the things I could without major changes to the overall infrastructure of the car. Make it perform better across the board in a way that could be reversed in a day or two. And considering just how much they are known to respond to upgrades, I suspect you’d enjoy significant “seat of your pants” improvements without spending a fortune or damaging the car.
My wife's turbo Kia Soul did 14.6 @ 96 mph at 6000 ft elevation lol. Be funny to have a video of a Soul pulling away from a GRC. The Soul doesn't even have launch control, all you can do is just hit the gas.
Hi! James here from the video, that's my Supra. When I got the car the front shocks were toast, the driver front lower control arm and passenger front upper control arm needed to be replaced. I did both of them and a full set of KW V3 suspension on the car, it's worlds better than just when I drove it home from Austin to Denver.
2012-13 I saw one for sale in Phoenix that made 4 digit power numbers with and without nitrous. It was marked at $25k. Definitely a bargain compared to post-C19 prices for everything these days.
That Toyota Supra is one nice car. Toyota really messed up when they tried to pass a re-badge BMW for a Toyota Supra. By the way, I think that color blue is rare for a Toyota Supra .
100% agree. BMWs engines are not even close in build quality and ability to handle raw power the way the 2jz can. Toyota should have looked at Land Rover's use of BMW engines and how that turned out. lol
All you have to do is go single turbo, full simple bolts on; full exhaust system, intake, on that auto transmission you will blow most modern car out the water. If you want a fast Supra you eventually would go built automatic anyway.
Love how kids think the 4th gen Supra is legend. The 4th gen had the worst sales of the Supra. Was the car that killed off the Supra at the time. Was expensive was considered fat and soft. The 2nd and 3rd gen Supra was way more loved at the time. Because used.ones were available and 3000 Mitsubishi was too much money for the budget F&F used a 4th gen in the movie then every millenial kid loved them. That said 4 gen Supra too anyone who was there in the 90's hated these cars and without F&F would have stayed unloved because still is soft and still looks fat.
My dad owns a stock 1997 Deep Jewel Green 6 speed manual Anniversary edition with tan interior. He's owned it since 97 and loves taking it to shows and sharing it with the younger generation!
Now we need this but with both manual cars , mayne throw in a a91 aswell to slap the b58 in there to .. would be a cool comparison, and im just a butthurt for a standard trans .. i hate autos lol , its disconnecting imo , you lose so much of your road to driver connection.. but still cool content guys .. peace and love all, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on.. ps i wish we got the GR yaris in the USA, now that would be a rad comparison, plus juat a rad ride imo .. anyways 💪🏽🤘🏽🤙🏽✌🏽
Two very important points to note. 1) two years after the Supra came out it was determined that 100-200hp is all that could be gained on the factory Supra twin turbo motor, AND 2 years after the GR Corolla came out it was determined the same 100-200hp is all that could be gained on the factory GR Corolla Engine. Aftermarket develop takes time and isn't always an exact science until those that prove themselves come out of the woodwork with results. The Supra became shockingly modifiable when the right people suddenly came out with their results. Same thing with all the legendary motors, like the Mitsu 4G63, and the Honda/Acura kseries, and the current Supra, and the current GR Corolla. Next point 2) The 4th gen Supra was underrated, about 30hp. That specific car likely has 5-10hp more due to the exhaust and better&lighter modern tires. There was also a free mod where you bled/pinched off some of the pressure on the wastegate line and gained power, which this car likely has being as old as it is. The auto supra also weighs 200 lbs more than the auto GR Corolla. This proves it's not an apples to apples comparison, and unless you went back in time with a new GR Corolla, you're never going to get the true comparison... sufficeth to say that the GR Corolla is likely quicker in every respect.
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That Supra is a timeless design. It looks so good even today. It has aged very well.
Nah it was never a looker. I mean look at the RX7 that’s a beautiful and timeless design
@@mxerb5912 That was a good looking car. Always did like that one.
Na, the RX7 looks like a Miata 😂. Supra side profile is the exact silhouette of a Ferrari F12.
Most of the 90s sports cars look great
Agree, other cars during that era specifically Corvette and Porsche 911 look like crap now compares to the Supra.
Hi folks, that's my Supra in the video. What a fun day at the drag strip! We knew these cars would be close, we just didn't know how close. But that's the fun of showing how good modern cars have gotten compared to the classics.
I've done two major modifications to the Supra: an HKS Hi-Power exhaust for a little more sound and KW V3 suspension to replace an aging stock suspension. Otherwise, all stock. The automatic transmission doesn't serve the Mk4 well, you're either full throttle to get the most out of it or it shifts at times that don't do the car any favors. I'll do something with the transmission eventually, just not sure what yet.
Thanks for watching!
Leave the the transmission alone. It's probably the main reason the car hasn't been modified to within an inch of its life. It's a grand touring cruiser anyways. Too many cars today, like the GR Corolla, can whip it. Just be glad you found a pristine example and enjoy the car for what it is. That's my opinion, anyways.
Manual is always the way to go with older performance cars, IMHO.
You seem like a true Supra guy! You mentioned maybe going 6-speed route. The only downside is the insane cost of getting a V160 transmission. Many automatic owners are doing modern ZF 8HP swap. For example whizbits sell kits to easily do a modern 8 speed automatic swap. The 8HP transmission totally transforms the Supra!
@@electrikoptik I've been watching the ZF 8-speed swap videos, and am very interested. The miles on my car (155K) reduce the impact of doing something unique. I'm going to wait several years to do that though, I just got the car fully sorted and am not looking to mess with it for at least a couple of years.
Lovely car, needs some nice rims bc the stocks are ugly as hell.
Both did as I expected with the automatics but the size of the "small corolla" compared to the supra is crazy how large small cars are now.
True that. Saw a Nissan 240SX yesterday and was shocked at how small it seemed to almost everything else on the road.
My EK Civic always breaks necks everywhere. In Canada they are just as rare as a first Gen Miata.
@@runningawayvagabond5876completely. Everyone thinks that buying a big vehicle is safer, everyone buys big vehicles and everyone is still equally as safe as they were back then (minus modern safety tech) but now we’re wearing out roads sooner and using up a bunch of materials and making overpriced oversized crap for the illusion of safety.
I daily a 2013 Yaris and the inside of it is roomier than most modern regular compact and even some mid size cars out in the market now. The interior construction is built almost like a minivan, pushed forward and out making tons of legroom and space, and plenty of room out back for regularly sized people. I love its efficiency. Our cars are not efficient. Gas mileage of modern vehicles has not improved nearly as much as power and acceleration. It’s just extra waste. We’re living in a new malaise era.
@@JDMEXforme a first gen mx-5 is rare in CA? in England i know of at least 10 within half a mile of me
@@KIng_Kenny_707 trust me, snow, salt and everyone scraps their cars over here.
Only time you would see 90s jdm is at car events.
I still pick the legendary 2JZ Supra any day over that Corolla
Absolutely, without hesitation.👍
Not even a conversation. I would take a 5-speed NA version over the Corolla.
Cool story... and you'll still get GAPPED!
@@kobedabest...yeah, I may get gapped. However, you will NEVER see someone in the street yelling at you "Is that a Corolla". Lol 😂
@@kobedabestyou know the fastest mk4 Supra is automatic right? Foolish comment
It's *WILD* how much bigger new cars are. When I had my '93 RX7, I wasn't a fan of the Supra because it looked too bulky to me. It's crazy that the Corolla almost looks like an SUV next to the Supra.
I was thinking the same thing!
The weight is where it gets real crazy..
@@stevencuenca1980 That supra was already a heavywheight at 1640kg.
From the same era, 911 carrera 1385kg, corvette lt1 1525kg (1993 french test)
@@lesnuitssanskimwilde7986 I'm talking about a porky corolla, 1485 kg for the manual...crazy to me..
@@DirtE30 I also remember how much bigger the 10th GEN Civic was to the 9th gen Civic
My Dad had a 1995 Toyota Supra w/ manual transmission when I was a teen in the late 1990s, and that car was absolutely incredible to drive. Sadly, in 2006 a bimbo pulled out in front of him and totaled it out. Truly one of the best cars ever made.
Uh, that was my wife.
Funny how Toyota sends you guys a new Corolla to race but when a regular person races theirs, warranty voided 😂
People's reaction to Supra
90's: Who the hell want to buy a very expensive Toyota?
Now: I NEED IT! I WANT IT!
I would go Supra all day and twice on Sunday. Yeah the GR is cool but this fud loves that Japanese classic!
Cool matchup! Look at the size difference 😮
3 vs 6 cylinders, 4 vs 8 speeds, 1 vs 2 turbos, 2 vs 4wd. the progress in technology made a car go faster with half the requirements
But it needed 8 speeds, so its NOT half the requirements. 4wd is also NOT half of 2wd.
The AMG 2.0 4 cylinder kicks both of these butts... tesla model S plaid kicks butt's of most stock anything... so what? HP and TQ matter... not 3 or 6 cylinders or 1-2 turbos... a modded Supra turbo with only 1 turbo will run circles around both... your comment is kinda dumb
What progress in technology?
The Corolla is the less technologically advanced car by quite some way when you strip off the junk.
Take a look at the tech they were throwing into Japanese sports cars in the 90's. It makes the Corolla look like a bit of a pathetic effort in comparisson.
Supra wasn't even fast in it's prime
this video proves new turbo 3/4 cyl cars are faster, you don't even need a V6 anymore
Just throw a hat over the shifter when you park.
I would not do that in my mkiv as it has more chance of getting stolen 😀
😂
Love those old Supra's! Awesome! Thanks Tommy, Kase and Mary!
You bet!
I'd argue that it was only with the current MK5 that the Supra became a "sports car". All other generations before then were more of GT cars, and I believe it's because of the size.
Just like a 1967 Shelby Mustang got beaten a ST Focus.
1993 Supra performance test: 60 mph: 5.2 sec ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 106 mph Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft
Car and Driver 1993 edition comparison test of Supra vs other sports car at the time most notably Corvette and Porsche 968 had the Supra placed 1st, not too shabby.
A sports car is any car built with performance at the forefront of development. GT cars can be sports cars. The moIV Supra was built to compete in the JGTC racing series against other cars such as the Nissan GT-R, Mitsubishi GTO, and Honda NSX.
@@Zero4Champ Right, just want to add the JGTC Supra is a different beast, they use the 3SGTE engine, lighter and raced honed.
> and I believe it's because of the size.
Contrary to popular belief, M4ks aren't very big; not even really by 90s standards. The wheelbase on a Mk4 is slightly smaller than a GR86 (100" vs 101") and the overall dimensions match that of a C4 Corvette. So it's really a 2+2 shoved into the space of an American 2 seater sports car.
I think they are so rare that people have rarely, if ever, seen one up close in person, so people get the impression that they were big cars. But park one next to a modern (or 90s!) Camaro and you'll get an idea of just how small the Mk4 really is, the 6th gen Camaro has nearly a foot longer wheelbase and overall length, and is noticeably taller and wider.
The mk4 definitely gets attention. I pulled up behind one in my Type R the other night and I had to give him a wave as I turned off.
18:11
that Corolla is huge
It's a suped-up consumer hatchback, not a natural sports car.
Supra potential is huge on that 2JZ. Still very impressive for an stock old car.
It is so easy for that stock to mod and waste newcomers.
@@yume8380 People give 2jz crap because they compare a stock to a stock B58 or others. Failing to realize you put the same tech and internals as the other engines and they are about the same or above them.
Turbo JZs get very expensive to mod and make power with. Amazing engines though
@@Theconjurer17484 nobody shits on the 2JZ not even the b58. Everyone knows the 2JZ potential
Not even compared to the b58*
I thought for sure that GR Corolla was going to wipe a stock auto MK4 Supra, just because of engine design and technology. The Supra is a dream car of mine and I am glad she kept up like she did!
I worked at the dealer when those Supra's were new. First one we got came off the truck with no gear oil in the 6 speed trans and the salespeople had already toasted it before it was PDI'd and found.
I put a dash in a turbo one under warranty and had a good chance to ring it out for a good long test drive. It was quick for the day but it's really not pushing much boost. Like was said here, just a few modifications and it's a fast car. Still light in the rear end though.
these are the types of races I find interesting.
The A340E transmission is also very will known to evaporate power and it does it very reliably.
LMFAO do your research before speaking thats the V160 WHICH in the early 2000s gave the supra the nickname dyno queen because it made so much power but becasue of the transmission wasnt able tp put the power down as good as the automatic.
@ps.6023 do my research? Are you kidding me? You think the A340 was capable of holding the power of the V160? Maybe you should do your research. Big power Supras with automatic transmissions weren't using A340s. Go do your research now.
The corolla hood height is almost as high as the original CRV. With 300hp 0 to 60 should be 4.8 seconds but the added weight doesn't help.
If today's cars were light like 29 years ago they would get better mpg and be faster.
they wouldn't be as light today, because of the regulations and materials
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Its 27, soon 28 years old.
But yeah, the 1980's was 20 years ago for me.
Where did you go to school? 1990 was THIRTY FOUR years ago! 😂😂
@TflClassics- The manual transmission version's of both of these vehicles may be more "Fun" to drive, but they are not quicker in a drag race. The turbos stay spooled up better with the Automatics. For quickest setup= Add Hi-Stall speed Tq. Converter, & Drag radials.
THIS GLORY HALLLUAH A NON RICER!!!
WOW, rarely am I surprised by something. But this one got me! Great vid guys!
is it just me or did that launch look like two mini vans slowly racing to get the kids to school?
My 09 Sienna can spin the front wheels at least lol
At least with an auto there's less of a chance of it being thrashed all the time.
Good point
lmfao most drag racing cars have autos you rice boy
I wonder how much power Toyota could get out of the 2JZ with modern technology and knowledge. I would imagine 300 doable without even putting a turbo on it
That would be easy. Nissan reliably gets 300hp out of their 3.5.
Add a little compression and timing and it'll do 300 all day
Depends what you want from it. If it needs to meet emissions and warranty reliability levels then it would probably be in the low-mid 300's at best.
It was always designed as a turbocharged engine so its not great when n/a tuned.
Modern turbos and so on would see it into the late 300's but much after that and you would start running into cooling issues for prolonged use with modern emissions devices.
If it was a case of 90's emission levels but modern tech probably into the 450+ range and if emissions just didn't matter 500+.
If they didn't care about emissions or warranty north of 700 but again it gets to the stage where cooling (oil, intake and coolant) is the limiting factor for prolonged use.
Thats why their endurance racers had the smaller 4-pot from the Celica and ran around 480hp - the lighter engine was also easier to package with the cooling equipment required.
Look up the Castrol or Tom's Supras if you want to learn about them - they are pretty cool cars.
It would probably be something similar to the Camry TRD engine
try up to 500
What really surprised me most, is that morning Tommy made the conscious choice to go full denim. 😂
The auto supra is way slower than the manual one!!
It is slower but I vividly remember reading about how great that transmission is and it's only .6 slower than the manual. For the time that was awesome being as a mustang of the same year would be 1.5 seconds slower with an auto.
As a Toyota enthusiast , this is a great video to see these icons side by side
Now this is what we wanna see more of , thanks for video TFL
That bone stock Supra is so nostalgic! Remember drawing that body line in Elementary school 🥹
$100,000 plus for those thing now. That's crazy.
Enjoyed watching them void the Corollas warranty three times
Once again, thanks for the great video. The comparison none of us knew we wanted to see.
Corolla is exactly half of the engine in the Supra
I'll stick with the Supra. There's no way the Corolla will be driving let alone able to drag race in 27 years like the Supra is.
I can hardly believe there was a time in my relevant past where a MkIV was considered chunky compared to something like a Celica GT-4. I've long been a soapboxer on how heavy modern cars have gotten even since the 2010s, but this makes an excellent visual comparison. Not all that long ago, a hopped-up Corolla like the GR would be in the 23-2700lb range.
The great thing about that Supra is its ability to be modified and reliably handle the extra power. Something very few have been proven to handle.
Any engine can be built to handle high horsepower reliably
First off, big thank you to James for letting Tommy drag race that pristine example of a Supra. As everyone knows, those cars are not cheap.
Obviously the engine in the Supra was capable of well over 320hp. Was this because of the Japanese "Gentleman's agreement"?
Such a clean Supra! I’ve always loved the design on those.
Dream of a modern "2J", strapping two of the G16E motors end to end.
You touched on this in the video, but an endurance race would been something too see. Hot lap them and see which one wins
5:30 is giving me Top Gun vibes.
I'm just waiting for him to say
"I feel the need.... The need for SPEED!"
I loved the Supra 35 years ago. Love it even more now
I own both, a Supra MK4 automatic and the GR Yaris stick shifted (witch is avalible in europe). The supra is a real GT for the german Autobahn. You can easily do 500 miles with it and everytime you stop somebody will come to you and talk about it. The GR Yaris is made for backroads and is realy great fun! I updated it to 340HP and now it is ridiculous fast. Love both cars.
you havnet owned one long enough or driven it much to know that its not a GT car, gt cars are comfy the MK4 was not.
@@ps.6023 Compared to today's sports cars, the MKIV is very comfortable, so for me it is clearly a GT. Of course, you are welcome to have a different opinion on this, but this is mine after 16 years ownership (heard that right - I have had the MKIV since 2008).
@@ingo1234 Ive owned mine for 24, and comfy for a few rides
You didn't acknowledge that the Supra is losing 20-25% of its power through the old automatic transmission/drivetrain whereas the Yaris is brand new and hasn't lost any power yet.
I'm sure they know, but it was a comparison of how it would do today
For over 20 years I've kept hearing reviewers stating that there's a bigger turbo. They're both the same size.
Crazy part is that the Raptor R would smoke them both. The new truck market is crazy.
As a guy that drives a 5 speed manual mustang as my non winter daily there are times It would be nice to pop it into D and go, I will say I wouldn't auto swap it tho. and if all out acceleration is your thing a well sorted auto is faster.
You wouldnt want to auto swap it because you like to lose
Supra was coming for you but impressive.
Love it!
What car will be more reliable and hold its value better,, winner is supra.
These are cool cars.
IMO if the Supra was manual there would be no competition.
With that being said, the new GR Corolla is quick.
I don't think it will last 30 years, tho.
The amount of stress that the 3 cyl engine is way higher than the Supra, but it's also way more practical and easier to maintain.
The auto transmissions nowadays are way faster to shift than those even 20 years ago.
Nice video!
Yeah there is a big difference between modern and "old" automatics.
I swapped a manual into my old Volvo 940 and with everything else being equal it brought my 1/4 mile time from a 15.3 to a 14.9
no one will drive the GR or Camry TRD for 30 years, that's not the point
I like the Supra. But the 90s Nissan 300zx...now that car is my dream car.
The J engine from Toyota is a diesel. This is the JZ engine. Big details....The 2-way turbocharger system Toyota works in a manner that is kind of complicated, leaving all the vacuum lines and controls you see under hood. The six cylinders feed the first turbine. Ad the rpm climbs, exhaust gas is bled into the second turbine to bring it online. Most can feel when they are both chugging along. And that is what happens. They are not sequential (first then second), it uses one, then both.
1. Never race a twin turbo Supra
2. Never race a 03-04 SVT Cobra
3. See #1 and #2
Don’t be scared little baby boy. It’s just a race.
I’m here for Supra fanboy excuses….but but but, if it had a manual transmission, if it had a giant wing, if it had 145 lbs of boost, if it had dragon decals…it would be SO much faster 😢
I like seeing a clean stock one... They are always modified to hell and back.
Like the coyote and barra, it can be made to embarrass anyone very easily. People like these engine for the outstanding platforms they are…. Not stock power.
Ok troll, go eat your cereal and put your back pack on
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Triggered! Are you binge watching The fast and the furious to get your blood pressure down?
It hurts when your favorite car got beaten by an glorified Uber car.
ok so, altitude should not affect a turbocharged engine unless the peak boost is very low, or the manifold pressure is capped by boost not actual manifold pressure. The turbo will just compress more air and compensate for the lower outside air pressure at any reasonable altitude below 10,000 feet at least.
Love these drag races but I think it's time to let Jen have the fun boy stuff too.FFC in Arizona
15:58 The fast And the Furious race but real life.
While I fully get where the Supra’s owner is coming from I would have to make improvements anywhere I could in the same way he did the exhaust. So I would probably go with slightly wider rims and tires, upgrade to the 6 speed stick, upgrade some of the suspension components like bushing, shocks, springs, etc., better air intake, MAYBE a boost controller…. Essentially, I’d keep it mostly stock, but improve the things I could without major changes to the overall infrastructure of the car. Make it perform better across the board in a way that could be reversed in a day or two. And considering just how much they are known to respond to upgrades, I suspect you’d enjoy significant “seat of your pants” improvements without spending a fortune or damaging the car.
Who ever that man buys that supra from definitely was taking good care of it indeed it's really looking superb talk about age with grace for sure 👍👍
Wild that an auto repainted a new color TT Supra in this market sold for $62,500 w/ 155k
A roll is the best measure, modern AWD cars have too much tech these days for the older cars on a dig.
yeah the other tests weren't fair, a new car is way more responsive than old ones
90s technology still looking good
The GR is practically a tuned car. Tune the Supra, no competition.
Tuned from factory for both, don't forget
The thumbnail reminds me of those old BMW Lemans memes ppl used to put together...😅😅😅
How is the Corolla so big?!?!
The turbo 3 banger will never live as long as the 2JZ
My wife's turbo Kia Soul did 14.6 @ 96 mph at 6000 ft elevation lol. Be funny to have a video of a Soul pulling away from a GRC. The Soul doesn't even have launch control, all you can do is just hit the gas.
The automatic has a manual button where you can shift the gears so you have more control over the gears. Should of tried it with the OD off.
12:40 - replace those worn front lower control arms = night n day difference on my old sc300 (they’re interchangeable)
Hi! James here from the video, that's my Supra. When I got the car the front shocks were toast, the driver front lower control arm and passenger front upper control arm needed to be replaced. I did both of them and a full set of KW V3 suspension on the car, it's worlds better than just when I drove it home from Austin to Denver.
The Supra hype is real. Nothing wrong with a nearly 30 year old car losing a race to a modern compact starter car.
Just remembered I was bidding on this car but stopped at 60k it sold for a little more which I think is a great deal
still today the Mk4 Supra looks so Amazing . It’s just so perfect 🤩 like I say we will never have another MK4 Supra and the mighty 2JZ engine .
The Supra was known for its handling lol that was a strong point
Don't drive the Corolla over 85MPH or it'll catch on fire
2012-13 I saw one for sale in Phoenix that made 4 digit power numbers with and without nitrous. It was marked at $25k. Definitely a bargain compared to post-C19 prices for everything these days.
The new front desing of the GR corolla only looks decent in the grey color. But the front design of the last model year still looks better.
Its kind of crazy how big the "compact" GR is next to the Supra.
That Toyota Supra is one nice car. Toyota really messed up when they tried to pass a re-badge BMW for a Toyota Supra. By the way, I think that color blue is rare for a Toyota Supra .
Sounds like Toyota could really use your expertise. They’d be lucky to have you telling them what’s a good idea and what’s not.
@@19hundoc47he's right as they aren't selling as well and will have a toyota engine by 2026
100% agree. BMWs engines are not even close in build quality and ability to handle raw power the way the 2jz can.
Toyota should have looked at Land Rover's use of BMW engines and how that turned out. lol
@@biggiefitz6275 you must be joking... b58s are killers especially in the 240i
@@biggiefitz6275this is not your dad’s BMW. They are totally different today.
Did you check to make sure you had "high speed" tires first!!?? 😂
That kid Casey is such a nerd lol, he probably wasn’t even born when that Supra came out.
Tommy - “The one thing about the Supra is the manual transmission is a little dim witted.” Okay, maybe when you’re driving, Tommy. ;)
We drag raced the gr mk1 & a supra back in 2022 the supra runs in the 13s the gr managed 12.7 both manuals
I didn't know that the turbo Supra came with a auto gear box. I thought only the non turbos did.
Yeah it’s not fun with the 4spd auto. I knew someone who had one and having driven one with a Getrag 6 it was meh. Many JDM imports are auto too 😓
18:11 The Corolla looks massive next to the Supra.
Great vid. Can we get a 700 hp New edge Cobra vs a new gen gt500 ?
All you have to do is go single turbo, full simple bolts on; full exhaust system, intake, on that auto transmission you will blow most modern car out the water. If you want a fast Supra you eventually would go built automatic anyway.
Do this race with a manual, stock Supra and it would have been lights out for the GR.
I'm sorry guys. You can make the Corolla go 500mph, but it will always be 5 door family hatchback. The Supra will ALWAYS be an icon.
Love how kids think the 4th gen Supra is legend. The 4th gen had the worst sales of the Supra. Was the car that killed off the Supra at the time. Was expensive was considered fat and soft. The 2nd and 3rd gen Supra was way more loved at the time. Because used.ones were available and 3000 Mitsubishi was too much money for the budget F&F used a 4th gen in the movie then every millenial kid loved them. That said 4 gen Supra too anyone who was there in the 90's hated these cars and without F&F would have stayed unloved because still is soft and still looks fat.
Its not nearly 20 years old my man, it's nearly 30 years old.
The Supra: "I'm the best car ever"
Also Supra: *has to be modified to beat anything*
Having a 2jz on stock is like having a lion in a zoo cage!
My dad owns a stock 1997 Deep Jewel Green 6 speed manual Anniversary edition with tan interior. He's owned it since 97 and loves taking it to shows and sharing it with the younger generation!
Now we need this but with both manual cars , mayne throw in a a91 aswell to slap the b58 in there to .. would be a cool comparison, and im just a butthurt for a standard trans .. i hate autos lol , its disconnecting imo , you lose so much of your road to driver connection.. but still cool content guys .. peace and love all, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on.. ps i wish we got the GR yaris in the USA, now that would be a rad comparison, plus juat a rad ride imo .. anyways 💪🏽🤘🏽🤙🏽✌🏽
Two very important points to note. 1) two years after the Supra came out it was determined that 100-200hp is all that could be gained on the factory Supra twin turbo motor, AND 2 years after the GR Corolla came out it was determined the same 100-200hp is all that could be gained on the factory GR Corolla Engine. Aftermarket develop takes time and isn't always an exact science until those that prove themselves come out of the woodwork with results. The Supra became shockingly modifiable when the right people suddenly came out with their results. Same thing with all the legendary motors, like the Mitsu 4G63, and the Honda/Acura kseries, and the current Supra, and the current GR Corolla.
Next point
2) The 4th gen Supra was underrated, about 30hp. That specific car likely has 5-10hp more due to the exhaust and better&lighter modern tires. There was also a free mod where you bled/pinched off some of the pressure on the wastegate line and gained power, which this car likely has being as old as it is. The auto supra also weighs 200 lbs more than the auto GR Corolla. This proves it's not an apples to apples comparison, and unless you went back in time with a new GR Corolla, you're never going to get the true comparison... sufficeth to say that the GR Corolla is likely quicker in every respect.
I don't think they were doing a straight comparison, but seeing how they would do, the GR is quicker
5:57 James, I have some bad news for you.....your Supra just lost to a Corolla.