INEOS GRENADIER or LAND ROVER DEFENDER. Which one would you buy? 4xOverland
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2020
- Attacking a vehicle segment that most car makers have largely abandoned, is the Ineos Grenadier the Land Rover Defender replacement that the die-hard fans where hoping for? The world's first and leading global 4WD adventure motoring channels.
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I want to see it do the telli track and east to west coast Australia. If it survives it's the 100% best off-road vehicle. I would buy one right now anyway, 1. I love the look, 2. Interior is 100%offroad and user friendly. 3. It's the build a bear of vehicles. 4. It checks 90% of all the boxes I need in a every day vehicle. Now just to see how reliable it is over long term,parts availability, service availability, and pirce here in the USA. That will be what is a deciding factor of how well it sells here. The is definitely a huge market for it in the USA. To bad we can't get the diesel here as well.
INEOS, if you read this, do it. Give it to Andrew. And Andrew, I’d love to see you drive it from Australia back to the pub in Wales.... that would be such a nice story.
INEOS, Agree. Andrew is the person who should be testing this. He always manages to hit the nail on the head, especially for the overlanding community.
I'm guessing it's going to be a Landcruiser Sahara price to get it on-road here in 'Straya though....
VIA SOUTH AFRICA OR AFRICA PLEEEESSSE.
i hope you dont mean prince andrew...
It’s not even getting built in the UK now looking like it’s going to France
You nailed how I felt as a Defender enthusiast when I saw the new Defender and when I saw the Grenadier.
Same
Love everything about it, but wish it would come optional with a manual transmission!!
I have watched this twice now. It is beautiful. I am envious of you.. Sadly my wife passed 3 years ago, watching you and your wife interact the way you do is amazing. I used to have that. I love your videos and look forward to seeing each and every one of them.
Whilst watching this one I was wondering what navigation you use? I saw it above you in the head console, I could not pick what type it was. Cheers.
I’m sold! I want one!!
It’s lucky the pub they were in wasn’t called the Cock & Bull 😂
thats where the RAM was thought of
4xAdventures, Only time will tell if it needs a new name . Looks excellent but I do suspect there will be many teething problems to get it to the standard being claimed.
I drink in a pub called the Otters Pocket!
@@golddiggerdave Let me guess, the landlord is the former TV personality Roger Mellie viz.co.uk/category/rogers-profanisaurus/ The great Carol Kirkwood *"Otter"* moment ruclips.net/video/vMk8KKWAq7c/видео.html
I liked this video the moment he said “ we can drive ourselves and not some computer”
Ironically, since Andrew made this recording Ineos has released a video of the power train being tested. They’re reworking the BMW 6 cyl to get more low down torque from it (never its strong point) it’s also going to be mated to an 8 speed electronically controlled ZF auto box with no manual option. I think you might need your laptop in your epic off-road adventure. In my view this will just be a more crude alternative to the new Defender, with the engine from an X5 & the gearbox from. Disco4. What’s to get excited about?
@@hughmarcus1 Agree entirely. And it's all very well being all nostalgic and old school but the new LR Defender does look very capable if the Namibia test is anything to go by. Could the Grenadier match it?
I think the whole thing that puts me off is it's just a rip off design and if it looked like anything else nobody would be interested.
@k halliday That's absurd. It couldn't be a more blatant rip off if they tried, unless they bought the patent or copyright or whatever for the design. The design couldn't be any closer if they had taken a sheet of tracing paper and traced over the original blueprints. The proof of whether either company succeed or not will be in the sales, but what you may think of the Grenadier or the original or new Defender model is irrelevant. Land Rover own the copyright and it's their choice to name any vehicle they choose with that brand.
Auto only? Why not 4 speed manual with a 2 speed transfer case?
I like his emphasis when he like or dislike something... that's why I like watching his videos, because I know I will get unbiased review.
I mean it’s totally a defender knock off, but it seems like they’ve looked at the defender and tried to fix what was wrong with it and what people didn’t like about it which is what LR should have done.
So I’m really looking forward to see how the finished thing turns out.
Yes, I agree! But sometimes makes me wonder why companies always end up lacking something when they could’ve made it 100%? Like the bronco, if they would’ve just made it front solid axle, it would be a Jeep Wrangler direct competitor! And there’s nothing on the market that can go head to head with a wrangler as close as this, convertible, lockers, etc... but ford falls short by making it ifs, like wtf? Why? If they did, it would be wrangler direct competitor, which means it beats out everything else the wrangler already beats! And basically everyone who wants a capable off roader, will now chose just styling but they wouldn’t have to go back to the wrangler for its capabilities even if they didn’t like its styling.
I used to swear by SFA,but its not as important as we tend to think.
The IFS on the Ford Raptor worked pretty well, I could see it work pretty well on the Bronco as well. 😀
But had they not made it look like the Defender would anybody really be interested?
Hi Andrew! I watched this 11 months ago, and it was my introduction to the Grenadier. Thank you! I'm following their build and test progress, and notice a new call for testing to be done globally. Please put your hand up for this: I can't think of anyone better to test this vehicle for the intended market and the 4x4 and overland enthusiast! You can give them feedback to make this a great product, and strengthen what promises to be an awesome off-roader.
Are the Grenadier drivers going to wave at each other? I think so.
Me as a Defender driver will wave to a Grenadier as well 👍
should wave also to Defenders - this is the continuation of it ...
what happens when a grenadier driver accidentally waves to a defender driver, and the defender driver snubs them. cringe
@@healthyamerican They are so similar that is unlikely too happen. We Defender drivers will return the wave.
Yes!!
Ineos have stated that 25,000 units will be the production goal. With the faults of the old Defender fixed, I think sales could be higher than that.
Andrew Hurst especially if it goes to N America
This would sell like hot cakes in Australia.
In N America we might be getting a proper offroader from Ford in the new Bronco. But, that's a slim chance since Ford is also quite proud of their electronics.
@@JosiahTech The Bronco is also massive
@@MarkRose1337 it's supposed to be based on the Ranger platform, not the F150 like the old broncos so it should be a bit smaller
Man I’m in love with these new squared body vehicles. Gladiator, the new bronco and now this beautiful thing. I’m excited to see if and when it comes to us in the states.
U touch my heart today man. it was one of two of my Dad's official cars in the 1980s up to the early 90s.i fell in love with it ever since. Still wanna get one for myself. Land Rover till I leave this earth. Still love that old look, that old distinctive expiren
Maybe they should follow in the steps of Isuzu in the uk, sell and service through agricultural dealers,its working for Isuzu.
Completely agree, and considering how many of my fellow farming mates are impressed by the grenadier so far, it could be a way to further push the truck to those who don't follow the latest car news
@@steveofengland very true.service levels/response times from agricultural dealers will be far better as they have a different approach than car dealers.Lets hope ineos will keep the spare parts availability and price at a respectable level.
Its how Subaru started in the UK before they got their own dealers!
Any BMW dealer scattered around the planet, fits perfectly.
@@Andre-hi9xn exept bmw dealers expensive
I am not always a fan of this bloke. In fact sometimes I simply can not stand to hear him grumbling away. BUT.... on this video & his optimism for this new 4x4, I am 100% with him. When I heard about the car & watched the video, I tried to filter out all the PR BS and still was very excited. I am now praying that Ineos does not let us down.
I remember seeing them in the development stage. I love the Idea they have cherry picked the best ideas from all the best 4x4's please keep producing more on this 4x4. I like the interior as it reminds me of the aircraft I used to work on.
Amazing review Andrew,
Love this and can't wait to see one.
So agree with NO traction control.
Although IT HAS TO COME WITH FRONT AND READ DIFF LOCKS
I’m an old Defender “Tragic” like you Andrew. However I took the plunge in December last year and ordered a new LR Defender 1st Edition which is now due in a couple of months time (delayed due to COVID). If Ineos does give you a Grenadier for an Australian endurance touring test at full payload, I’d be interested to bring the new Defender along for a real-world head to head comparison...! I’m hoping such a face-off won’t be the lay-down misère you seem confident it will be but who knows? Would be interesting to have a new Wrangler Gladiator as well.
Mate, they sell a 4WD that's better than either of these down here already: it's called a Landcruiser 70 Series.
@@hoilst the Grenadier isnt available to buy yet how do you know the 70 series is better?
@@hoilst maybe with a coil conversion and rear track extension. With leafs they're nothing impressive
I think the new defender would go down in the first five hundred but what do I know but live in Coventry and most of my mates work at Landrover
hoilst haha, state of the art leaf springs 🤣
He's like a child at Christmas.... lovely to see such enthusiasm.😊 I can't wait for your first full review.
I can see it.
End of 2020, Andrew has new video title "why I'm selling my land cruiser"
😎
Gjjhjhh
You were spot on. It's now for sale.
Nobody trades a landcruiser for any vehicle!
As the owner of the last Snatch Defender released by thr M.O.D.I think the Grenadier looks brilliant.The new Defender I also like as it looks like a more modern version of the Skoda Yeti
It's like the love child of a G Wagen and Defender. This is the first new vehicle I'm excited to see hit the market place for a long time.
I'd be very surprised if the Grenadier doesn't end up being looked at quite carefully by defence forces as a light duty 4wd vehicle.
It is. In fact, Magna Steyr lended a hand in the engineering.
I was thinking the same thing.
I hope it’s wider than the defender, and the engine and gearbox are solid units that will run for 100s of 1000kms without issues. These vehicles should last decades if built right.
The Grenadier is the love child of a 110 and a G-wagen & it's a beauty!
I'm a fan of the new Defender. I get that the Monocoque, suspension and tech limits modifications, but it's the future, and you can't fight the wheels of progress.
@4xOverland, I am looking forward to your review of a new Defender
Agreed. I have carefully watched the new Defender release and setting aside the 1st year teething issues, I am not seeing problems in reliability or performance to characterize it as technically less than the old/ancient Defender.
Positivity! I love your enthusiasm. You are very thorough in your appraisal . I think the mining and forestry sector will lap them up. Hell it should be compulsory for all farming families
I've been waiting for this review, and it didn't disappoint. I drive a 110 daily and love it, the new defender was such a let down. Fingers crossed for the Ineos.
@Dugie Doogs im not sure that was the problem. they added too much junk that you dont want for a utilitarian car. cameras everywhere, auto transmission, over 80 computers controlling it all, you want 1 to control the engine for emissions, and thats IT.
@@petelattimer6808 I spoke to one of the engineers who worked on the new defender project. It's literally the front end of a Range Rover and back end of the Discovery sport welded together, with an extra bit in the middle for the long wheelbase version.
I think the market is everywhere asia included. Just make an improvement on what land rover defender was and run expeditions every year or two like camel trophey. The thing would sell.
Use the worlds parts. Heavy duty everything from gearboxes to diffs
Andrew: "working with me is a two edged sword. If it breaks, I'm going to tell everybody, if it doesn't break, I'm also going to tell everybody". Lol classic👌🏾
As an owner of an older landrover 110 defender, it is exciting to see a newer more improved version being available. Hopefully the guys take you up on your offer Andrew. If you give it your tick of approval I would certainly consider purchasing one.
The RUclips Auto-captions interpret INEOS as “Any Arse”... makes for a very funny video! 😂
Ineos didn't copy the Defender's design in the same way that I do not know what happened to the last piece of chocolate cake left by my wife on the kitchen counter...
Adam Griss Hi Adam it seems to me that “great minds think alike” and an improved/refined recipe was needed.
Read somewhere that ineos owner is a big fan of defender and even tried to bought defender design, but land rover don't want to sell it. Sorry for my english btw.
i often think of the origins of the land rover, which was copied from the jeep. but that is not allowed to be mentioned in some circles
@@healthyamerican same as Land Cruiser and Patrol started as Jeeps too...
@@healthyamerican Your right!
love the INEOS GRENADIER ... I want it in Olive Green and Kaki! ( I must have it)
It's great to see one of my brothers from South Africa talk about off roading with such obvious passion, in runs in every vein of his body, he can't possibly help himself....and I to hope the Grenadier can be a world wide success and a version be adapted for light military applications...to cement its world class reputation. Off roading in Australia is a whole different ball game....
This is a new vechile. Even though everyone is calling it. The new Land Rover. But that is where the full stop, came.
It has a G Wagon bonnet.
The vechile is going back to basic. A vechile with no computer control's. It is a ruff tuff vechile.
The engines and transmission and ESP and ABS and airbags will all be electronic. Can't pass any emissions regs otherwise.
@@einfelder8262 Well the Defenders and all the other rough off-roaders have had such electronics for 20+ years. At least in Europe. So that's obviously not what putting people off.
@@einfelder8262 l was thinking off things. Like descent controllers and things that helps the driver.
I'd like to see more of the inside. I love the look, and can imagine having one. And I'd like to see it in some military colors, and none of those metalic colors made of the city.
Lol, this is such a love letter. Love it!
Thank you for doing this video. I can only hope the Ineos goes into full production. Adding my 2cents, I would like to see front fenders you can actually stand on.
The new defender is just an expensive S.U.V....I WOULD BUY THE GRENADIER ANY TIME
Paris Afstralos and there it is - Toyota owner per chance? 😏
Granadier is pretty much the same price as the Defender
@@lor7780 They hinted at £40k +VAT at the launch event
@@lor7780 as Warner has said, it isn't a solid price but in the region of £38k +taxes (VAT + first year VED) for the entry level vehicle. Land Rover's entry level is £40k for commercial and £45k for the station wagon.....and that is OTR
@@welshwarrior220 which is way too expensive when UK competitors such as the Ford ranger/Toyota Hilux etc. are around 2/3rd (possibly less) the price!
Ineos, if you’re paying attention, make this an option in the US and I’ll pre-order mine.
Yes, absolutely. If this doesn't come to Canada and the US, I will be very disappointed.
@@donewhiskey They have already said that they will be bringing it to the US market.
It’s coming...we’re just last in line. As usual it’ll be available everywhere else first. Hopefully JLR USA don’t throw a hissy fit.
@@MatthewBrigham-1 Let them throw their hissy fit, maybe then they will experience the frustration we've all been voicing with our disappointment towards them for once.
Already been earmarked for USA and Canada if you read their website! :)
Oh I do so hope you are correct sir, in all your hopes for the Ineos!!
You open statement echoed my sentiments.
I am a farmer and I live in Grenada ( look at the name) excellent place for off roading. I have a 1991 LWB Defender.
We can test it in Grenada, you should bring it.
Lucky it was “ The Grenadier”
Could have been “ the slug and lettuce “
highdownmartin Then it would have been a Ford “Raptor”.. 🤣😂
Haha... I see you’ve been reading my comments on other groups... those were my words during my meeting with INEOS 😂😂...
From a geographical point of view, it's not highly unlikely that it could have been named "The Nags Head", or "The Alfred Tenysson" or "The Star Tavern Belgravia"... Don't you feel lucky now?
I thought is that a G Wagon or a Defender? Looks cool and tough, have they something that is invoking nostalgia or a modern vehicle based on historical experience? I think a run from Adelaide to Darwin following the original telegraph would be a good test. I think I want one too.
Man, I hope Ineos do see this and let Andrew test it out properly, would love to watch that. Also, you can just tell how much he wants to drive it!
Really nice to hear you. Thanks for eye opener on new defender
I was wondering if Andrew would be as excited about the Grenadier as I am, turns out, he is. I would love to park it beside my '69 Series 2a.
I would look great next to my 4Runner as well. And if they make it with a 3rd row, it would give me an excuse to sell the minivan.
Yes Ineos. Hire Andrew as a consultant!
No, no, no. Hire meeee!
Just Come across your channel. I am so glad you said it as it is. It looks so much like the old Defender it's scary. I hope it is built in Wales and stays true to the hype it's making. Looking forward to seeing more of your content. from a new fan and subscriber.
This cures all the issues that should have been taken care of with the defender.
I hope this is a success and I will be looking at one asap to buy
Wow, he sounds like the David Attenborourgh of 4x4's :) :) PS I agree with all that he says here.
Had the same impression of him XD
It strikes me as having some of the Merc G Wagon styling ques?
Am just thinking,will they try it in Kenya where we have rugged terrain, almost everywhere.
Yes, Peter, they should throw it into the Rhino Charge! But seriously the first one should go to Kipchoge
INEOS GRENADIER. In an instant. There is no choice. There is just The One.
I like how the rear wheels has been moved back to increase departure angle compared to the 110
I think they hammer on the "form following function" and "engineering led"concepts to avoid being sued for copying the Defender. Or, it means the old Defender was the best designed vehicle as this is the best the engineers can come up with now.
They are not using newly designed parts. The majority of components are coming off the shelf from established manufactures, and this is good because parts will be available over the counter anywhere.
BMW build good engines and again, available nearly everywhere.
The only issue is the price. If it can be in the region of or less than a 70 series Land Cruiser, they will have a winner.
I'm thinking maybe 200 series price, but if they can make it only 5-10k more than the 76 it would be a hit
Target starting price is £35k, The roots of Land Rover was form following function as with many of the famous utility 4wds so their shape will naturally be similar
"BMW build good engines and again, available nearly everywhere." wash your mouth, ask any BWM specialist about how much work they have because of their engines....a lot, that that isn't good. It's not that there are brand new highly complex BMW engines scattered around isolated areas on the globe.... you all are kidding yourselves
@357MagnumPlinkster Society yea hopefully pickup and chassis cab will be around that if the station wagon is £35k
I think they got sued, or threatened and won (LR lost).... (read something, somewhere.)
If JLR decide to stop making a genre of vehicles, they can't morally (legally - they have to win that argument) claim infringement on "approximate styling".
Again, fantastic analysis and comments from years of in depth knowledge and experience. Priceless👍
I love your passion for this type of vehicle and you are 100% right. When I first saw it I thought it was a Land Rover, then i realized it wasn’t. Looks like they are doing the right things for a real off road machine! Commercially viable will be the name of the game, as you stated. I know the unit price will be outrageous, nevertheless right for the much needed ultimate off road machine. I will trust you 150% with your testing critiqued, and they be loosing a great opportunity by not giving you the chance to tested in a real off road voyage. If they will stand and guaranteed their product then you will be the ultimate and last challenge prior to their success!
Andrew, I suggest you drive the Australia section, someone else drives the Asia stage, someone the Europe stage, Africa stage etc and one vehicle goes round the world with different drivers with full reports on the good, the bad and the ugly.
I think this would be a very good idea. And probably super marketing move.
Paul Marsh should get a look-in for Africa.
Definitely Paul for Africa.
That would be great.
Great Idea. And I watched someone say, to introduce something similar to Camel Trophy.
Imo the new LR Defender is what the diso 5 should've been
Totally agree. And the newish discovery is what the freelander should have been! Very strange that, don’t you think🤔
And folks like me are fine with the Defender taking over the LR 5 role. Let's be honest, the current Disco 5 is as attractive is Boris Johnson's hair in the middle of a hurricane.
Pretty much all of the internet agrees with you,
This is a job interview where the candidate desperately wants the gig even if the money is shit. Hope you get it Man!
Andrew talk about how good off-roaders have solid axles but then shows images of the Off-Road History museum half filled with humvees which has front and rear independent suspension.
Yes but the humvee is actually not a good off roader for very technical stuff
Plus it has portal axles and purpose build double arms suspension to help it...
So far from your average 4x4 with ifs
@-- I'm so tired of watching Hiluxs', and 200 Series and other IFS setups snap CVs like spaghetti sticks and then their owners claim, "But it's great off road." Really?
Please, please for the love of God give this man the goddamn vehicle Ineos!
Loved your review, absolute facts, no exaggeration
A great piece of motoring journalism, well done. Having owned Range Rovers for decades this Ineos really does appeal.
Andrew I can’t wait to see you testing the Grenadier
I wish it will be very soon
Thanks Andrew, I own a Discovery 3 and as I live in the uk is easy to get parts at reasonable prices. As you know the D3/D4 is ok as a middle of the road vehicle “good” on road and “good” off road which is fine here at home but I’m sure it would never do the Canning stock route or any of your long distance trips.
I love the look of the Grenadier and like you it’s obviously designed to look like one vehicle in particular. I think Ineos tried to buy the rights to continue production of the Defender but LR said no.
I think that as it using BMW engines they have also struck a deal to sell them through existing BMW dealerships.
It would be nice to think that the axles and suspension are existing parts to keep costs down and reliability up and allow modifications from already known suppliers. I would imagine that the interior would reflect BMW as well to tie in with the engines.
The most challenging thing will be costs I think here in the UK a base stripped down model will cost at least £40,000. And put it on par with the new Defender and as we don’t get the Land cruisers that you get it won’t have any competition (Jeep wrangler maybe).
If however the car can be modified through the dealer with third party stuff (bumpers,lockers,roof racks etc.) then it will make it work better.
Hopefully they can reach out to utility companies, Police,military etc to get bulk sale at lower prices to help get production numbers up.
I would love to see what you could do with one, maybe you could set up the first Australian Dealerships with some of your contacts.
And Ineos should send you one to test for them any company should be glad for the feedback good or bad
To the heart beat this video captures it all. And I want to see the ultimate test video from Australia!
Best 4 wheel channel on the internet bar none, and Andrew is EASILY the best, most balanced and knowledgable reviewer. He strikes me as a bloke of the utmost integrity and honesty..Very rare qualities.
i salute you sir.
Loved the old Defenders, but Ineos for me. New Defender not for me!
Great video. I do have a comment, though. Every vehicle can break. Breaking on a long overland isn't necessarily a deal-breaker. The questions that need to be answered will be, when it does break, are parts available and can things be fixed on the trail, etc?
Agree on that, and listening to a lot of overlanders the best stories come from breaking down and interacting with the locals.
Excellent point! HZJ78 parts are available everywhere!
I hope they sort the steering circle out. That’s my main gripe with my defender and why I cant manage with a long wheelbase. Everything else I love.
I hope you get your wish as I can't wait to see you put it through its paces.
I'll buy one, as a replacement for the 80 series.
Don't do this 😵
Same here
You can't ever replace an 80 series mate...
Think twice
keep the Series - that is gold - but take that one also ... :-)
Excellent!!
Halfway into watching the clip I was praying the INEOS team see your clip and reach out to you. Glad you offered to carry out an elongated test for/with them at the end. I hope they take up your offer. Your feedback will them and us a whole lot of good.
The Land Rover Defender redesigned up as Grenadier! Looks cool!
Reminds me of the old Merc G230 redesigned to the G500 / G63...
Great video Andrew. After your trails touring in Australia, bring your Grenadier to bang out in Mongolian Gobi desert, my man!
The Grenadier is what the new Defender should have been.
^ exactly this
@@AnthonyIlstonJones yeah they have put together good proven features of many different great off-road rigs like patrol, cruiser 80 series, and defender and removed the stupid crap Landrover kept like the narrow back entrance and terrible driver position and stupid steering position..and hopefully the mindset that meant Landrover failed to iron out the stupid faults for half a century too.. So yeah looks awesome...not sure about BMW Engines...but time will tell. I wouldn't mind the 3.2 did pajero engine..or that awesome 2.9 merc diesel...or 2.8 Cummins..
@@dermotpiercey6019 I see engine swaps coming on RUclips in the not too distant future...😂
French?
It would not have sold well. A new car cannot look so dated.
I would never buy a brand new car and have always maintained that it’s not a sensible financial decision, but I can honestly say the INEOS is for me the exception to the rule. I really would buy one of these with the plan of it being the only car I will ever need. If it’s as good as it looks like it will be, then I will do so.
I feel the same way chap. It the exception to the rule.
You obviously should say that you would NORMALLY never buy a brand new car....Many new cars sold in the last twenty years were resold for WAY above original MSRP, and many with miles on them....It depends on what you're buying, so I'm always careful with blanket statements.
Awesome video Andrew, seriously can't wait for your series on the Grenadier. It will happen for sure. :)
it is a fantastic 4X4 that brings what Defender has stopped bringing with the new gen. Defender - Easy to repair, rugged inside and outside and very capable but with all the new 4x4 tech available to make it go anywhere. amazing car - LOVE IT
As a serial BMW owner I have alot of reservations with the powerplant choice. Granted it will be detuned for reliability but I don't have as much faith in them as I would a Toyota unit.
B57/58 is an excellent engine and proving reliable & strong
is that nobody produces better engines today than BMW
BMW engines are fine. It's their electronics and tech that are typically unreliable.
As long as the cooling system and seals are not made by BMW, it’ll be fine...
ive had 3 new landrovers in the past 10 years and i have to say everyone has broken down at some point .the issue have is getting landrover to fix them with out costing you a arm and leg
Is it just me who questions the reliability of the BMW engine?
or will it just work out fine in the end
Robert Ross Mercedes Benz is backing this off-roader, check their social media, they promote it. And inNOS is sponsor of Mercedes-AMG F1 team.
As long as they don't under-power it. 2.5 litres is just not quite enough, 2.25 litres is asking for trouble.
As I got, they are going for a BMW in-line 6 diesel with slight decrease of power for stressless running. Those diesels are quite reliable. Looks like a good choice.
Given BMW's hit and miss history with engines, it's definitely something worth questioning, but I don't think it will be too bad.
It is just you
Fully agree whit you Andrew, i speak about Discover'ish new Defender long time. And i was excited seeing this new Grenadier on first press relase shots.
What most of us fear with the new products is all of the electronics! I was basically going to keep my 2005 130 Defender until I couldn’t get it maintained anymore! I’m very very very interested in this vehicle. As for the price, we all have “Invested” about the same amount again as our purchase prices in upgrades & fit outs!
Absolutely. Electronics are for laptops unless they are less integrated, modular and extremely rugged and resistant to all the elements.
I have been with Series/Defenders (and G-wagen for 5 years) and Discos/Freelander for my wife, since 1984 , and I can`t wait for the Grenadier to be ready for testdrive and for sale here in Norway.
So , sorryLand Rover : You have lost a lot of 4x4 entusiasts :-(
Andrew , we will be waiting for a testdrive :-)
Pris her i Norge med hvite skilt, om den i det hele tatt kommer hit: 1,2 millioner + 😂😥
Curious if it will make it to the US. Hopefully they don't price themselves out of the market. I love it...coming from a Off road Jeep background.
excellent video. We are all waiting to have a go with the Grenadier. As a Defender owner for 30yrs, I need this to work!
Great review! Hope you get involved, few are as professional as you. Looking forward to next video on this. New LR Defender.. no. My LR 110 station wagon, 1983, 610,000+, 1st owner, rear axle, etc: prototype (per LRO article). Originally V8, genuine LR conversion 200Tdi 1994, now in Texas (from Europe), with me again. I am Dutch, grew up abroad in LR's Series 1, 2, 2a.. Father had for his work at Shell. First drove his Series 2 LWB pickup age 7, Argentina, Patagonia, la Pampa, remote, only "traffic" some running ostriches on occasion, and groups of horses. I am mechanical eng, Grenadier design looks very good. Hopefully maintain interaxle differential: per experience on snow and ice max traction in curves (no interrupts in traction; standing starts etc diff lock etc). Done extremes white outs, Austria mountains, 2 passes closed after just passed. Also for towing stability interaxle diff is optimal, per experience. Also using low range for maneuvering and steep ups and downs, typically start in low range and 2 double declutch hop on hi range, etc.
It is a very interesting vehicle. This is how Land Rover must make the new defender. The Grenadier you can use as a real overlander the new defender not with Al the electronic what the defender has.
Unless they have changed the original spec it has three diff locks, much like the G Wagon pro.
I really enjoy this guy’s level of passion!
Great video! It would also be great to hear Andrew's thoughts on the new Bronco!
Andrew - you are the David Attenborough of 4WD 👌
Spot on.
Had This thought 30 seconds ago.....
@4xoverland they have already said in a video that there will be more shoulder room than in a defender.
Just as a military and police vehicles I believe they will sell many vehicles. The final price will dictate if it is only a real 4x4 for rich people.
Well, a lot of rich people flip cars and take a huge loss, all the better for poor 2nd hand buyers... (Just wash the setter drool off the dash.)
Being sun of former forestery engineer I remember my father punishing the woods in Iran with that defender vehicle. It crowled up the mountains up to 4000m and drove down in the stone desert in the south. Images of impressions flash trough my mind and I know what you are talking about. Although you are kinda person that is not loved by general car marketing people because of your honesty. You really deserve to get your chance of for filling your dream and test one. Happy marketing is not going to be any good in the middle of the desert. You need a car you are sure it will take you trough the next day. I really hope all the best for you but don't put a head of a dead Giraf in the back. 😁😂
This guy is the most valuable bit of R&D a car manufacturer could do.
If I was Land Rover I’d hire this guy to get back in track to their roots.
Surely Land Rover can build modern but durable vehicles that only only priced for the people who wouldn’t actually use them for their purpose.
Now, it´s the perfect time for Gerry McGovern to retire...
No he should stay on until they realise his mistakes and put him on gardening leave!
He thinks he knows best, quite an arrogant person he is
I hope the man has a truly shit retirement!
If it is a design that lends itself to the exigencies of the military, they will have a huge market.
THis is intimated in a few of the INEOS videos. The UN, Military, rescue services and so on. Its not small potatoes and they could shift alot of vehicles there.
I guess times of unarmoured vehicles of good paying western powers in war zones are over :(
@@one_world_for_everybody Yes it does.Military requirements has changed a lot due to AED's and modern guerilla warfare.
@@MrMslagter I agree, however there is still a market in the NGO,Mining,Oil&Gas, forestry sectors. Also this platform could be a starting point for small IED hardened military vehicles.
@@Beardinc Small IED hardened vehicles doesnt really work mate
Really nice video, even though it was not so much action. I learn stuff from you Andrew, I would like a solid pick up to go places. The Grenadier looks promising...
I'm so excited for this vehicle, hopefully in ten years I will be able to afford one.
I see it being the ultimate adventure vehicle.