Your Mom's question addressed a huge disconnect in the Protestant church. Their focus upon " being saved" and setting it apart from becoming holy. To them you get saved and then try to avoid sinning. It takes away the mystical transformational experience when one is called by God, out of the world, and becomes a child in God's family. We become sanctified. We don't "try" not to sin, but our life becomes more sanctified as we live closer to our Father. His love and holiness will envelop us, thereby sanctifying our daily life.
Well said. This helped me realize that there is a distinction between being saved and being sanctified which I hadn't considered before but do agree that it is an important distinction.
0:01 The World and spirits 1:17 Welcome to Episode 4 Fr Andrew Stephen Damick Fr Stephen De Young 3:27 Theosis, Partaking of The Divine Nature. 5:27 The Elevator Speech way of talking about Theosis “Theos” means God 5:59 How am I Saved? • A Person has a problem • That problem has to be fixed (healed) (other words similar to fixed) 7:59 Justice, Righteousness, Becoming Like God. 11:11 Cultural Individualism. 13:35 The Purpose for which Human Beings were created. 14:42 Fr Stephen De Young is a Biblical Scholar [P.H.D]
I am 70 years old, became a Lutheran at 28, was baptized by Baptists, and raised a Methodist. For me, all mankind has been given a life with a beginning and an END. Salvation means having a second life with NO END. But our salvation was for a purpose. That purpose was greater than my salvation and for the purposes of God. I, we Christians, now have a divine nature, a human nature in a human body. I, we, are currently Christ-like but not yet in full. I am a retired engineer, and I love diagrams. And so do the followers of Aristotle, favorite of Roman Catholic Scholstics. And they, not just the scholastics but aristotleans, love diagrams. And this is where things go off track. Explaining things such as Christology and the Trinity as an engineer, like me, in the same way I would explain an automobile seems a little absurd. I know these things. I accept these things. I even understand how these things work in my life. But I don’t have a diagram. And that is OK with me. As for sons of God and the divine council, for 20 years I have followed the teachings of Michael Heiser who seems to generally track with Orthodoxy. His teachings have been problematic for many Protestants, especially Evangelicals. I think this due these teachings compelling a much more spiritual and mysterious Christianity rather than a legalistic Christianity. I can remember my grandmother referring to people who were at the precipice of "being saved" as being "under conviction". For Evangelicals, being saved means avoiding a death penalty by a God who is a hanging judge. At the end of my Lutheran catechism class, we were asked if there were any questions. I said, "I understand how we are not going to hell, and that is good. But what do we do next?" The pastor had no real answer.
The point is that we are struggling out of the swamp of sin and reaching for God and His mercy, so that He could sanctify our souls, purify our bodies, correct our minds, cleanse our thoughts, and deliver us from all tribulations, evil, and distress. Ascetism (in its true meaning) and theosis walk hand in hand... And this body is also a participant in theosis. Passions are as much (if not more) spiritual as they are physical things.
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Your Mom's question addressed a huge disconnect in the Protestant church. Their focus upon " being saved" and setting it apart from becoming holy. To them you get saved and then try to avoid sinning. It takes away the mystical transformational experience when one is called by God, out of the world, and becomes a child in God's family. We become sanctified. We don't "try" not to sin, but our life becomes more sanctified as we live closer to our Father. His love and holiness will envelop us, thereby sanctifying our daily life.
Well said. This helped me realize that there is a distinction between being saved and being sanctified which I hadn't considered before but do agree that it is an important distinction.
0:01 The World and spirits
1:17 Welcome to Episode 4
Fr Andrew Stephen Damick
Fr Stephen De Young
3:27 Theosis, Partaking of The Divine Nature.
5:27 The Elevator Speech way of talking about Theosis
“Theos” means God
5:59 How am I Saved?
• A Person has a problem
• That problem has to be fixed (healed) (other words similar to fixed)
7:59 Justice, Righteousness, Becoming Like God.
11:11 Cultural Individualism.
13:35 The Purpose for which Human Beings were created.
14:42 Fr Stephen De Young is a Biblical Scholar [P.H.D]
I am 70 years old, became a Lutheran at 28, was baptized by Baptists, and raised a Methodist. For me, all mankind has been given a life with a beginning and an END. Salvation means having a second life with NO END. But our salvation was for a purpose. That purpose was greater than my salvation and for the purposes of God.
I, we Christians, now have a divine nature, a human nature in a human body. I, we, are currently Christ-like but not yet in full.
I am a retired engineer, and I love diagrams. And so do the followers of Aristotle, favorite of Roman Catholic Scholstics. And they, not just the scholastics but aristotleans, love diagrams. And this is where things go off track.
Explaining things such as Christology and the Trinity as an engineer, like me, in the same way I would explain an automobile seems a little absurd. I know these things. I accept these things. I even understand how these things work in my life. But I don’t have a diagram. And that is OK with me.
As for sons of God and the divine council, for 20 years I have followed the teachings of Michael Heiser who seems to generally track with Orthodoxy. His teachings have been problematic for many Protestants, especially Evangelicals. I think this due these teachings compelling a much more spiritual and mysterious Christianity rather than a legalistic Christianity. I can remember my grandmother referring to people who were at the precipice of "being saved" as being "under conviction". For Evangelicals, being saved means avoiding a death penalty by a God who is a hanging judge.
At the end of my Lutheran catechism class, we were asked if there were any questions. I said, "I understand how we are not going to hell, and that is good. But what do we do next?" The pastor had no real answer.
Epic
How can we experience Theosis while going through life with this body in all its passions?
The point is that we are struggling out of the swamp of sin and reaching for God and His mercy, so that He could sanctify our souls, purify our bodies, correct our minds, cleanse our thoughts, and deliver us from all tribulations, evil, and distress. Ascetism (in its true meaning) and theosis walk hand in hand... And this body is also a participant in theosis. Passions are as much (if not more) spiritual as they are physical things.
Difficult to listen to for all the sniggering and hilarity (at what??) -
Just sounds like they are excited/giddy to talk about it and share...
Which is a good thing btw