Christ's message was pure but humans are not. A bad rendering of his word shouldn't lead one astray. Bad teachers are bad teachers. You wouldn't blame Mozart If an artist butchered one of his renderings. Yet this is what happens in today's society. Truly a huge and grave, sad affair.
@@tgravert apparently, you’ve lost touch with understanding the dearth of gentility, which is a comforting effort in this precarious of modern times…, I’m happy to read the statement of gentlemanliness…. Yr kinda gruff , Tim
This is excellent, I am a Christian - I believe in Jesus and I love him so much, but I accept that things are much more complex than what we are taught 2000 years later, completely out of the context of the time, language of the time, social situation, environment etc.
@@jug5469 the jews have a different year. Chinese too. Surely so do others. Even the scientism cult isn't holding back their satanic/antichrist roots by taking away BC/AD to further confuse us.
I got here by accident. I was reading something about Mary Magdalene , when my phone decided i should really listen to this. I was raised as Catholic and educted as a Catholic up through my senior year of college --Boston College, a Jesuit University. In my Freshman or Sophomore year I took a required course about religions of the world. It was taught by an esoteric Jesuit who frequently, without realizing it, spoke in other languages the modt common being Hebrew. We would not have known this were it not for the one Jewish students in the class . That course, which was indeed academic and esoteric extremely intellectual, seems now to be akin to painting by numbers in comparison to this brilliant, fascinating lecture. Can't wait to hear other lectures. This professor is a gift!
interesting reflection.. question - have you heard about Joseph Yahuda, israeli polyglot lawyer from the 1980s and his book "greek is hebrew with a mask on"?
If you truly want to know who Christ is It will be revealed to you. I was gonna give you some shortcuts but I'd rather have faith in his word that it is true I'll give you a hint, botherand Christ
I really appreciated the way that the early pre-Nicean history of what we call "the church" was put into an historical perspective. It's something that has largely been ignored by mainstream religious historians and is critical in understanding how we got to the present. It was explained simply but not simplistically.
@@lametafisicaconariyana2185 I would recommend reading the Nag Hammadi Library, it's available for free online, as are the writings of many of the early Church fathers such as Origen, Clement of Alexandria, Marcian, and St. Ignatius of Antioch.
I’ve read and studied tons of writing on that topic. There are countless histories on that time period. You didn’t just discover something “underrated” by social media 😂
Well I believe that I have officially determined my position on where I fit into the mind frame of the gospels. I have not fully been comfortable with the label as Christian. Only for the reasons of being raised in 3 different theology's- Church of Christ, Pentecostal and Southern Baptist. Then to non-denominational and now no denomination. Gnosticiscism seems to have more comort to me. I do believe in Jesus Christ, I have met Him, now making me a knower of Jesus and absolutely my hero. I am a simple man living in a camper, sometimes I have electricity and sometimes not. My earthly best friend is my awesome and handsome dog Bear. We both are rescues from a battered world. I am a recovered heroin dependent, labeled by the world. As a junkie! Bear labeled as a unwanted life, beaten as a puppy and marked for death in animal shelter. I've never been loved so much in my life, my Lord and savior and my dog. I wrote a book that most all Christian book have turned down. It is disturbing and I marveled and I have risen above it all. This physical world is toxic but the love it can create is priceless
Hey Ryan, you are more loved than you think. If you feel unloved, you can turn that all around by loving others in need. Then you will find your place. I also, aside from the drugs and dogs, have gone through a similar experience. Is your book available online? You might post it on Amazon. Also, write on Quora. People would love to hear about your life and experiences. Peace be with you.
My brothers both died in their thirties………..emphysema and drugs…………so young……….preventable deaths……….with so many friends and family……….and still we failed them somehow………..the grief is unbearable…………I wish you and Bear all the love and best wishes………..your souls triumph over this battered world
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. William Shakespeare This is the most precise summary of a complex web of the history and development of the Gnostic Gospels and that one could ever do. An excellent clarification of a complex history. While you have pulled things together, you have also opened doors for further study. Thank you.
this left me with the thought "no wonder all my christian teachers had so many contradictions in their teachings and with each other. Every pastor and teacher all seemed to feign 'one true view' but each view was vague and the opposite of a good mathematical proof. The entire history of the christian doctrine seems to be trying introduce buddhist and vedic ideas into the christian world. The result is much misunderstanding and mistranslation (my own conclusion and opinion of course).
@@drblaneyphysics read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth. More than once, maybe even over the Hundred Times Required. I'm sure you will find many Things. Young Hierophant.
Gnostics being esoteric thinkers within larger organized bodies makes perfect sense to me. The right-hand path vs the left-hand path is how human individuals and groups relate to the divine. In every age you will have the seekers that take individual paths to knowledge within a larger cultural frame while most will, and must, focus their attentions on community propagation and safety as they go about their lives in other expertise. But it is also the case that these two types don't really see eye to eye and may fear each other.
@@BSci9 the right, left, and middle. 4th path is known as crooked (spiral) path. Non dualism is more of an overarching philosophy that’s goal is to show the paths and their spiritual destinations are illusions within themselves. A rabbit hole within itself.
"It is easier to fool a man, than to convince him, that he has been fooled" " Truth is stranger than fiction, Fiction is obliged to possibilities, Truth isn't" Mark Twain
Not quite sure what you are referring to?? But not interested in virtue signaling, would appreciate some Illumination on your comment. Not a typical religious circular argument.
Ah yes of course, so you, yourself, have never been fooled. For you are grounded and beyond deception. Fairwell my good friend, and good luck with that perspective. There is principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principal is contempt prior to investigation. Sir Herbert Spencer. And God Bless you?
Such a pleasure to hear him speak about something he loves. He is eager to answer questions, speaks with enthusiasm, and gives a neutral bias feel at least for myself. Very enlightening
Fantastic lecture. The historical context, the excerpts from the tractates, the elaboration on the gnostic concepts, everything was awesome, specially in such a short time. Learned a lot and enjoy every minute. Thanks a lot for sharing here in RUclips.
I am on youtube everyday, listening to Beth Moore or Robert Madu and self help videos. I do not know how I ended up here today, I search many, many topics. This is the first time I seen anything about Gnostic. I have been asking lately, "God who are you?" There are so many perceptions, I believe God meets me where I am and with the information I am willing to explore. I have always felt like feminin energy needs to be there, or here with me. I have embraced the Holy Spirit as this energy. I go back and forth, feeling like as a Christian I am in big trouble and I am in fear sometimes. I will keep asking God to be me with and lead me, reveal truth and remove all views and theory's that do not belong and are only confusing me. I need Wisdom, I will continue research it. Peace
Very interesting. Hung on every word and saving to watch a few more times. For those interested, researcher Wes Penre talks LOTS about gnostic ideas, along with current events and the direction we are heading collectively as humanity,
Almighty God, as I move through the chapters of life, I seek Your guidance. May your wisdom be the light that dispels the darkness, and may your peace be the anchor that anchors my soul. Amen.
This guy's brilliant. Well educated, and makes for a fantastic lecture. Enjoyable to listen to. Awesome. btw- Looks like an image of a young Ben Franklin! lol! ~JSV
When you mentioned the Ebionites being "poor," I was remined of the "Poor knights of the Temple of Solomon." Thank you for the Lecture. You have patience worthy of the almighty.
Discussing Christianity and theology with a very knowledgeable Catholic friend of my mine, i described the beliefs i have come to over the course of 39 years of living in the world, raised non denominational Christian, becoming agnostic as a teen, and then finding Edgar Cayce's autobiography as an adult, my friend told me that i essentially aligned with the Gnostic beliefs, and this video has helped me confirm this. It's kind of wild i had the same rationalization and have come to the same conclusions these people many centuries ago did. Thanks for the great explaii
44:30 - _Woman asks if Jesus had Eastern influence in his teachings. For this you will need to study the Upaniṣad and the Advaita Vedānta philosophy. There are total of nine schools of thought in Indian philosophy by the way. Each school is further divided into multiple branches._ _It is not certain that Jesus came to India or towards the East but his Gnostic teachings are literally the same with Jñāna Yoga (Path of Knowledge)._ *As a Hindu I see Jesus as a great master! Greetings from ancient India 🇮🇳.* EDIT: *There are many theories about him. But one theory that really makes sense to me is he did come to India and studied the Vedas, especially the Upanishads. Because his Gnostic teachings are literally the Vedantic teachings. From who else can Jesus be trained about the gnosis of the pure consciousness, the Self?* *In Tibet's Hemis Monastery his coming was recorded in a manuscript. It was later approved by three persons. One of them is Swami Abhedananda, the other two I couldn't recall.* *Bangalore Venkateshwara Raman, a Vedic Astrologer, also agrees by this theory of his coming to India as per his Kundali (birth chart).*
@@albusai *_Creation and creator are the typical teachings of all religions. I did not deny the concept of it. But self-enquiry and self-knowledge (Jñāna + Gnosis) is required to know thyself._*
Romans 10:9 KJV “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” John 3:16 King James Version 16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved. John 3:16 (share the good news of the gospel around the world!) Have a wonderful day/night, may the LORD bless you all, and farewell!,.,,,,,, Galatians 3:26 KJV For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
I've only recently found this channel, and I have to say I've been thoroughly inspired by the academic and historical approach you've taken with these discussions. Thank you so much for sharing these talks.
"Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed, When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and they will reign over all."
Listened to this while making about 100 grissini breadsticks lol. Thanks for an enlightening lecture. Love the Q & A at the end, too. Such an informed audience.
A very interesting presentation. One has to keep in mind that the gnostics are not crackpots, even though for most of us it may be difficult to make any sense of what they are saying. Gnostics don't feed on other peoples ideas, but they are in a state of mind which allows them to simply know that which is not accessible to the 'normal' human mind. They don't make things up. They speak of the Divine. The Christian Church, on the other hand, is completely devoid of any spirituality because it absolutely lacks the connection with the Divine that the gnostics have.
I believe the Gnostics were essentially of a mystical bent. Christ gave his grace, the awakening of kundalini energy, to all who were receptive by self-surrender to Divinity. Having bestowed his divine grace, he took responsibility for their spiritual life and material life as well. This is universal and is available with Great Beings, Mahatmas, Rishis, Yogis, etc.
Gnostic doctrine makes much more sense and fits infinitely better with the world we actually observe. It explains the problem of evil, the obvious absence of God, the base evil of the “god” of the OT, etc. Western society would probably be better off if the Gnostic teachings had not been brutally suppressed by the human sacrifice cult that became Christianity. But Gnostics are still very much crackpots, and the doctrine is just as fictional as canonical Christianity. Yes, Gnosticism happens to be less pernicious, self-contradictory, and nonsensical than what we have now (this is a very low bar), but it’s still just a set of entirely fantastical false beliefs, like every other religion cobbled together by man.
Certainly agree with your comment. Most Christians from modern churches would not recognise the inner soul of Jesus if they chatted with them on a park seat.
Excelent summary , i am highly interested in finding a more detailed Gnostic undemanding. The diverting belief system at that time has had such a major impact in our current state.
Mary followed our savior to the foot of the cross, disregarding her own life to be with him withersoever he went. And she was the 1st one looking for his resurrection. I think that I'll listen to her.
@David 👑 You didn't find me. I found you. Straight from the grave my friend. Iiiim back. 😄 Can't kill an actual God as it turns out. We just come back. I told them 3 days, I meant heavenly days. 0-1000 day 1 1000-2000 day 2 2000 started day 3 and I was resurrected. Now is day 7 and this is the place of rest. Me rest I give you so that you may have peace and know that I AM alive and well. And the father comes at the end. Be of good cheer, for I have overcame this world. And because I live, you also shall live. I and the father are one. It is greater than I. Same truth it has always been. Truth is eternal. Told you I would send the spirit. Prepare yourself for the heavenly kingdom, for it is at hand.
@David I didn't say a word about mother Mary. I was talking about Mary Magdalene and speaking about the example she set when all the other disciples fled.
Gnosis is a Greek word for "intuition"... meaning to learn or be taught from within. It's the knowledge of the Heart, where as intellect is of the Brain. It's our intellect which manufactures this facade we call life, it's our intuition that sees what's behind the facade, otherwise known as "truth". You cannot use your intellect to search for truth when it's busy perpetuating the lie. Our intellect murders our intuition... Cain killing Abel. Our intuition lies buried in the Earth (Heart) until we fulfill the law (gravity) which governs our Fall into death and the decomposition process (Old Testament). It is our intuition (Holy Spirit) which guides us thru the process of changing the law the system operates under from gravity to levity, aka "love". Levity is the law that governs our Spring into Life and recomposition (Resurrection). This is all accomplished thru the daemonic hierarchy within our collective subconscious (the heads of the 7 churches aka chakras) as described in the Apocalypse/Revelation of John :)
Brilliantly illuminating. Thank-you for your work and for the clarity and deeper connections. We’re on the hunt for the golden thread in word art and design to redefine style and value in these sorely lacking “material post industrial” days… all things gold in balance.
Absolutely fascinating, thank you so much. I have read a lot over the years but never found out who were the Gnostics, why did the Church hate them so much, why were they so persistent? What a sad waste of so much intellect. I like them. Might even have been one, if i''d had the guts.
They were hated by Christians (not "the church") because Gnosticism... Is satanism. It's paganism. It's astrology. It's material worship. I used to believe in Gnosticism and the shared consciousness and all that. I remember seeing the Zeitgeists movies. And seeing David Icke talking about this kind of stuff. And you see it all over TV shows and movies. How many movies end with "let's make heaven on Earth". Then I realised that Satanists (and their precursors like Crowley) say the same thing. So do Luciferians (which is where Socialism comes from). So do Freemasons and the UN. So does the Vatican. So do Jews and Israel. So do Muslims. How strange. All major organised religions now believe in a shared God, a shared Lord Allah Father to worship with the Gaia Earth mother. We are children of the Earth, Earth is dying ect ect ect. Everybody love each other (even the children🤮). Anything goes. Peace. Love. People talk about the New World Order... No, it's the old order. It's the order of the beasts.
@@heythere2115 Dude. Lighten up. You talk like the status quo, putting everybody in a bag. Christians were hated by the Romans. They were hunted down just like anyone else who didn't conform to their belief system and fed to the lions as a public display of how well they were liked. That's why there were so many caves occupied in Turkey. You aren't a Christian, so how can you speak as though you know what they think or do? Read the first 3 sentences of the description. If there was no information hidden from the masses, then Jesus wouldn't have said, "Father forgive them. for they know not what they do". These were his last words, BTW. A culmination of his experience as Immanuel. You need to do less talking and more studying. Then strive to understand what you study. The internet is full of "armchair experts" who assume they know something. They memorize a lot of information, but they don't understand what it means. People don't need more opinions. They need truth. That's what was hidden by the serpent from Adam and Eve in the Garden ... Truth. So you have to admit from the Biblical evidence that Gnostics were right about at least one thing. In fact, if you studied the Bible well enough, you would know the words of Jesus, "You have heard that it was written an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth ..." What Jesus is saying right there is the text was not written (or copied by the scribe) correctly as it was given by God. Now that obscures the truth a little bit, doesn't it? Anyone who believes the text as given would be ignorant of the truth. The Gnostics knew what Jesus knew (at least in a limited sense). This means Gnostics were in agreement with Jesus on the point of ignorance of the truth. Give people a break and try to understand what they're talking about before you start attacking them. There's a difference between someone who hides something from you (illuminati, masonics, etc.), and someone who says things are being hidden from you (Gnostics, Jesus, ...).
@@l.m.892 I just have to commend your answer from a Christian POV. Personally, I am heavily agnostic or even atheist. And if I was a believer, I probably would be more Pagan than Christian, but Christianity is my cultural heritage and I strive to understand it, especially from a historical perspective. I think you were spot on.
@David Better read what probably are the oldest version of the true words of Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas. Or go on worshiping a XV century book, if you prefer.
@David Have you even read the Gospel of Thomas? Its a short piece of literature. I find it very inspiring. Check it out and tell me what you think. It contains a compilation of Jesus’s sayings and teachings. 75% of it is sayings already in the biblical text. People who think that any Translation especially the KJV is the True word of God are very confused individuals. How can it be when Gods Word was preserved in Hebrew? Please make it make sense? Either the original Hebrew Scriptures is the True word of God or the translated KJV is!
the gospels are all copies of each other and none are written by the named authors. have you read the gospel of judas? god is evil and jesus came to fight him, it got left out of the bible for some reason.
Makes me think about how Christian extremism is similar to the whole gnostics within other churches. huh, convergent evolution of religions. Whole presentation is amazing. Bravo!
1 Peter 4:11 11If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
It is a shame that we tend to define our churches as What-we-don’t-do. “They don’t take communion every week.” “They pray to statues.” “ We don’t dance.” “ They only sprinkle.” And so on.
That is true. Those are non essential questions while the main point is the Christ and the core of his teaching, love one another like one self. "If you had just a pinch of real faith and zeal, you'd be free as birds in the sky" -Yahsua around 33 AD
Thanks for the very fascinating and inspiring talk. I went through postgrad training in Eastern religions particularly Buddhism and found beyond a mere coincidence that certain Gnostic beliefs resemble those of Buddhism, especially in terms of finding the kingdom of God(s) or 'divine revelation' within one's own heart, and the spirits of awakening to the secret 'higher' divine knowledge through meditation, as it can hardly be 'communicated' clearly through words or concepts. Also, seeing the current sensual or sensory-dominated 'world' as evil controlled by the evil God can find parallel in the conception of sensuous deity 'Mara' in Buddhism.
@Martin Luther Yahweh is not the creator source of the Universe. God doesn’t get jealous. Enlil, the king of the gods, is especially annoyed by the constant disturbance from below and so decides to lessen the population by sending first a drought, then pestilence and then famine down upon the earth. After each of these plagues, the humans appeal to the god who first conceived of them, Enki, and he tells them what to do to end their suffering and return the earth to a natural, productive state. Enlil, finally, can stand no more and persuades the other gods to join him in sending a devastating flood to earth which will completely wipe out the human beings. Enki takes pity on his servant, the kind and wise Atrahasis, and warns him of the coming flood, telling him to build an ark and to seal two of every kind of animal within. Atrahasis does as he is commanded and the deluge begins:
@Martin Luther Enlil is not God. These stories predate the Bible by thousands of years. Enlil is deified being from another planet. Enki was the “serpent”
@Martin Luther the Bible is plagiarized/ summarized retelling of much older Sumerian stories such as Epics of Gilgamesh, Atrahasis, Eridu Genesis, Myth of Adapa, Enuma Elish, emerald tablets ect
Note to self for my own study: at 58 minutes, the slide with the Gnostic terms, is translated into the physics lingo of Blaney as follows: (abbreviated) Monad - void + potential energy Aeons - paired aetheric flows that emanate from void's 'soup-in-grid' and includes, for example, clockwise/counter clockwise spins, inward-outward or contract/expand, and other 'logos'. Sophia- if sophia is an aeon it must also have an opposite, so Sophia is 'wisdom-ignorance' in which a rather loose interpretation given here for fun: the demi-urge is the urge (wise or foolish?) to look within to 'know thyself' thus (sophia the light photon) desires to see self as follows: vortex's head approaches vortex's tail, and aetheric flow of the photon's head superimposes on aetheric flow of photon's tail (could say oroboros, head enters body, or tail enters mouth, to 'know self') continuing seriously: So the oroboros 'rings of light' birthed by sophia's 'light photon nature' are basically trapped light vortices in the form of a stable torroid (which is a photonic vortex traveling in a circular path superimposed upon its own backbone, --Blaney Theory of structure of electron from gamma ray building block) Said another way; The demiurge gives rise to the action of Sophia light-converting-to-mass (mass is the light ring oroboros, the condensed light, the trapped light, the light-to-darkness metaphor) point of note: This new form of light in the form of mass, gives rise to information storage and sharing capability, as well as associated time and relativity. and finally the archons, what are they and why is the gnostic explanation so unfulfilling? here is blaney interpretation, loosely for brevity : ARCHONS: evil angels who serve demiurge? sounds a bit vague. Blaney terminology would say archons are the mass entities arising from the [chemistry and physics that arises when mass and light are present together] -- (without mass, no such chemistry can exist). This mass, along with light and resultant chemistry, creates beings who think, share and store info, learn, develop systems to 'see' self. The archons-serving-demiurge is (blaney asserts) the natural tendency for the mass-light-'life' to self-sustain itself via procreation and eating food to survive etc. The 'man' of mass+light may serve self 100% (psychopath, evil serving of demiurge) or serve self and others in a ratio of 49/51 so that man survives as well as her fellow life forms (a more kind and loving serving of demiurge). e.g. These tendencies to survive could be thought of as serving the demiurge. Thus, "serving the Demiurge" is translated more clearly as serving life as we know it in our [material plus light] world. If secret (gnostic, buddhist, vedic, other) teachings claim to get my 'light body essence' out of my mass body (so it can exist as an aetheric flux pattern not bound by mass) then it would follow that I would have to somehow un-attach the aetheric flux which defines me ... from the mass body. this seems a bit of a challenging problem, unless perhaps a more intelligent being could instruct me how to do so, while assuring me it is itself not a self-serving entity. :D end of note to self. to any readers: I apologize for the lack of rigor of my notes.
I'm a member of the Old Apostolic Church of South Africa and we believe that God and Satan are two spirits that dwell within. One pulls us in the negative downward through our own desires and lusts and the apposing spirit is that of discernment and renewal of my daily actions. Scriptures for us although seen as God's word and acknowledge it as natural events that physically took place like to take all the history and nastiness out of the equation and prefer to see the whole Bible as parable and therefore speak in parables to remain as spiritual as possible. Every colour, material substance, day, political or social standing, Name, geological location etc etc mentioned in scripture all mean something to us or have "hidden meaning" and so when out in normal public will only recognize another member of the church through the parables which we speak. Anyways I really enjoyed this video it was blessedly informative yet light at the same time.😊
I thougt it a shame when a woman thanked him for reading all that, so they didn’t have to! If I had been him, I would have been disappointed not to have inspired people to go and read these gnostic gospels for themselves, and decide themselves what they thought about them. I also was disturbed by his laughing when he was talking about the opening of the gospel of St Thomas from Al Hammadi, as being a Buddhist, I find them most inspiring.
While I am still not a Gnostic I thank you for making their beliefs and thoughts clearer for me. Even Orthodox Christians were lied about by their detractors. Unfortunately that is nothing new.
ah yes, every religion and every branch of every religion, thinks they have the truth, that the universe and especially humans were created by magic man in the sky.
Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics Chamber 27 plus degree Molecular Atoms Seeds Oxidation Nuclides are the first type of Masons who are born into Sin ( Seeded ire Nuclides ) and casted into Hell. Matthew 1:23 Behold , the virgins ( waters which are Oxidated Nuclides ) shall be with child and bear a SON , they shall call him Immanuel ( fire and atomic molecule water bearing element , Steam ). This immaculate conception creates what we called fusion ( fallen seeds ionized oxidated nuclides ). the first of these seeds we call fire . Matthew 1:24 Joseph ( Yoself ) meaning in addition woke up , he did as the angel ( all nuclides of HELLO ) of the lord commanded him to take Mary ( the virgin waters ) as his wife. Mathew 1: 25 he had no sexual union ( seeded elements that crossed the exosphere , Stars ) all nuclides of Hello ionized oxidated nuclide ) with her until she birthed her son ( seeded oxidated nuclide ) . And she called him Yeshua ( Issa , Ieous , Gaseous , Jesus ). Jesus as the Mason his trade is carpentry ( fish of the opening , fisher man ).
I usually cover all of the marcian doctrines with a quote from Peter ,,"beware of Paul's writings that are filled with hard sayings hard to be understood... With some have twisted to their own destruction"
Mercy! Pretty harsh considering his statements were true... And histrionic 🤣🤣🤣🤣 may I ask what is the basis for your faith in God?.. or the lack thereof??
How do we find out who this excellent lecturer is and where does he teach? This complex issue is made almost simplistic, which is a characteristic of great teaching.
He oversimplifies quite a lot though. There are several instances of not insignificant historical inaccuracies in this lectures as well; Valentinians were never described as ‘gnostics’ during their time, neither by themselves nor in any polemic against them. In fact, no group or movement known as the ‘gnostics’ is known to ever have existed. Instead ‘Gnosticism’ is a label ascribed by modern scholars to religious movements (most commonly Christian) exhibiting certain shared/similar cosmological and theological tendencies /characteristics; -The belief that the material was is the creation of the Demiurge (God of the Old Testament, a lesser deity) -Salvation through gnosis -A very specific and complex cosmology (too complex to explain here) Most of these historic groups identified themselves as Christians and some of them as Sethian, but none of them ever described themselves as ‘the Gnostics’/any such similar term, as far as we know.
@@dapaulson1 It is a church in transition. And since it is a non creedal church, it has members with a wide variety of beliefs. I would not compare it to the LDS church though, it is quite distinct.
The most accurate description of what religion is and how other cultures influenced, taken from different cultures and traditions. I would like to hear from the philosopher who taught this guy how to interpret the world religions and how they influenced people. To the victor goes the history course of which we are allowed to interpret. Egypt has a history of Jesus Christ two thousand years before the Christ we know. If you dig deep you can find the Christ child who was visiting other people’s.
Yes, yes! This is also what the Buddha taught. and he taught TRUTH, not the garbage that most "normal" Christians believe. Besides, one often confides in one's lover, secrets one might not share with one's closest friends.
I dunno, the questions are mostly ok. Some are questions we have but mostly they show how ignorant we are all about these things and how diverse our assumptions are. Mostly ignorance though - which then allows him to fill gaps and demonstrates how much value he is adding :) Agree tho his scholarship is great and he does get back on track pretty well.
Great talk. It might have been worth mentioning that the Ebionites believed Jesus was elevated to a profit but not a diety. This is in line with the idea that after their "disappearance" in the 7th century, Islam began assimilating some of their ideas.
Gnosticism isn’t just another religious ideology, or just another religious practice. The idea of “knowing” is not the same as “believing”, or accepting based on someone else’s authority. Knowing comes from a long and difficult process of seeking/searching, and this is mentioned in both the Gnostic and canonical texts. The people you see in the water at 44:00 aren’t Gnostics. They’re religious people doing what religious people do: shutting their brains off and following the rest of the herd. The path to Gnosis should be different for every individual, because every individual is different. There’s no one-size-fits-all set of directions for a true Gnostic to follow. I understand that the person lecturing is approaching the topic of Gnosticism historically, or you might say academically, but his explanation of Gnosticism doesn’t do justice for what Gnosticism truly is.
I am so glad I am no longer involved in religion.
I can now study it with great interest
from a distance.
Yeah, studying religion is a lot more fun when you're not fully indoctrinated to one faith.
Christ is King
@@bubbag8895 Christ bedeutet Eingeschmierter, von griech. christos (zum Einscmieren geeignet)
@@hermannsteinacher7620 if Christ is your King you are my brother, come visit sometime suburbs of Chicago
Christ's message was pure but humans are not. A bad rendering of his word shouldn't lead one astray. Bad teachers are bad teachers. You wouldn't blame Mozart If an artist butchered one of his renderings. Yet this is what happens in today's society. Truly a huge and grave, sad affair.
This is first century apostolic teaching. A breath of fresh air.
The gentleman conducting this particular presentation is exactly just that . A gentleman.
How human of you to come to that conclusion and then feel the need to express it.
yes thats called a tautaoulogy.
it is what it is.
describing his characteristics is what matters.
@@Xaeravoq So please describe it for us. …
@@tgravert apparently, you’ve lost touch with understanding the dearth of gentility, which is a comforting effort in this precarious of modern times…,
I’m happy to read the statement of gentlemanliness…. Yr kinda gruff , Tim
@@annalisa14 give me more detail. googling what i said would give you a general idea.
I admire this guy's patience in handling some of these questioners.
'Did that form of Christianity start BC or AD?' 🤣
He is a cool head.. he almost puts me to sleep though...definitely Mr. Excitement 🎉😂😂
This is excellent, I am a Christian - I believe in Jesus and I love him so much, but I accept that things are much more complex than what we are taught 2000 years later, completely out of the context of the time, language of the time, social situation, environment etc.
If it was 2,000 years. Some say a thousand was added to our timeline throughout history.
Too many cultures have kept time, I’m interested to hear more about this.
@@jug5469 the jews have a different year. Chinese too. Surely so do others. Even the scientism cult isn't holding back their satanic/antichrist roots by taking away BC/AD to further confuse us.
@@ColeBeeRyan you can't be serious
@@lukefulton1766 oh, but I am.
I got here by accident. I was reading something about Mary Magdalene , when my phone decided i should really listen to this.
I was raised as Catholic and educted as a Catholic up through my senior year of college --Boston College, a Jesuit University. In my Freshman or Sophomore year I took a required course about religions of the world. It was taught by an esoteric Jesuit who frequently, without realizing it, spoke in other languages the modt common being Hebrew. We would not have known this were it not for the one Jewish students in the class .
That course, which was indeed academic and esoteric extremely intellectual, seems now to be akin to painting by numbers in comparison to this brilliant, fascinating lecture.
Can't wait to hear other lectures. This professor is a gift!
interesting reflection.. question - have you heard about Joseph Yahuda, israeli polyglot lawyer from the 1980s and his book "greek is hebrew with a mask on"?
If you truly want to know who Christ is It will be revealed to you. I was gonna give you some shortcuts but I'd rather have faith in his word that it is true I'll give you a hint, botherand Christ
Fat deal!! Pfffft
I really appreciated the way that the early pre-Nicean history of what we call "the church" was put into an historical perspective. It's something that has largely been ignored by mainstream religious historians and is critical in understanding how we got to the present. It was explained simply but not simplistically.
Where do you recommend I learn this?
@@lametafisicaconariyana2185 I would recommend reading the Nag Hammadi Library, it's available for free online, as are the writings of many of the early Church fathers such as Origen, Clement of Alexandria, Marcian, and St. Ignatius of Antioch.
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I’ve read and studied tons of writing on that topic. There are countless histories on that time period. You didn’t just discover something “underrated” by social media 😂
@Rich Quitliano thankyou so much!,I just got them all on pdf to read! Can't thank you enough!!
Great speaker, truly knowledgeable without arrogance, and delivers the information in an engaging way
😂😂😂😂😂 You are funny… he dose not even understand the Trinity…
The Gospel of Thomas has always been my Bible.❤
My favourite too.
Why?
No doubt
Why not actually read all the Gospels. Goespel of Thomas is incomplete.
Well I believe that I have officially determined my position on where I fit into the mind frame of the gospels. I have not fully been comfortable with the label as Christian. Only for the reasons of being raised in 3 different theology's- Church of Christ, Pentecostal and Southern Baptist. Then to non-denominational and now no denomination. Gnosticiscism seems to have more comort to me. I do believe in Jesus Christ, I have met Him, now making me a knower of Jesus and absolutely my hero. I am a simple man living in a camper, sometimes I have electricity and sometimes not. My earthly best friend is my awesome and handsome dog Bear. We both are rescues from a battered world. I am a recovered heroin dependent, labeled by the world. As a junkie! Bear labeled as a unwanted life, beaten as a puppy and marked for death in animal shelter. I've never been loved so much in my life, my Lord and savior and my dog. I wrote a book that most all Christian book have turned down. It is disturbing and I marveled and I have risen above it all. This physical world is toxic but the love it can create is priceless
Hey Ryan, you are more loved than you think. If you feel unloved, you can turn that all around by loving others in need. Then you will find your place. I also, aside from the drugs and dogs, have gone through a similar experience. Is your book available online? You might post it on Amazon. Also, write on Quora. People would love to hear about your life and experiences. Peace be with you.
It sounds like you are following Deistiscism. Are you by any chance a victim of Circumcisionistiscism?
Brother. Sending love.
Love!!!!
My brothers both died in their thirties………..emphysema and drugs…………so young……….preventable deaths……….with so many friends and family……….and still we failed them somehow………..the grief is unbearable…………I wish you and Bear all the love and best wishes………..your souls triumph over this battered world
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. William Shakespeare
This is the most precise summary of a complex web of the history and development of the Gnostic Gospels and that one could ever do.
An excellent clarification of a complex history. While you have pulled things together, you have also opened doors for further study. Thank you.
this left me with the thought "no wonder all my christian teachers had so many contradictions in their teachings and with each other. Every pastor and teacher all seemed to feign 'one true view' but each view was vague and the opposite of a good mathematical proof.
The entire history of the christian doctrine seems to be trying introduce buddhist and vedic ideas into the christian world. The result is much misunderstanding and mistranslation (my own conclusion and opinion of course).
You mean James bacon?
heretics
To be or not to be was never simply a question as it was also The Answer.
Think about it ok.
@@drblaneyphysics read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth.
More than once, maybe even over the Hundred Times Required.
I'm sure you will find many Things.
Young Hierophant.
So information packed, unlike most RUclips videos.
Awesome lecture. John is amazing ! Thank you.Blessing to all
Gnostics being esoteric thinkers within larger organized bodies makes perfect sense to me. The right-hand path vs the left-hand path is how human individuals and groups relate to the divine. In every age you will have the seekers that take individual paths to knowledge within a larger cultural frame while most will, and must, focus their attentions on community propagation and safety as they go about their lives in other expertise. But it is also the case that these two types don't really see eye to eye and may fear each other.
COVID is bringing this back in the 21st century. Those who seek the spiritual world and those who cling to the material. The vax made this possible.
What about Jesus’ younger chinese brother Hong Xiuquan?
They're really three paths.
@@yeseniaaguirree3595 non dualism?
@@BSci9 the right, left, and middle. 4th path is known as crooked (spiral) path. Non dualism is more of an overarching philosophy that’s goal is to show the paths and their spiritual destinations are illusions within themselves. A rabbit hole within itself.
So much history presented in a totally unbiased manner. A TRUE TEACHER !!!! Wonderful lecture. THANK YOU.
This guy always makes me feel smarter. I really admire his intellect ,humor and style. He reminds me of my sponser..
I love it when a topic is presented backed by research.
Got the nostic gospels myself to read!,rather read straight from Christ's teachings.
Thanks!
"It is easier to fool a man, than to convince him, that he has been fooled"
" Truth is stranger than fiction, Fiction is obliged to possibilities, Truth isn't"
Mark Twain
So now you know where you are.. Me.
Not quite sure what you are referring to?? But not interested in virtue signaling, would appreciate some Illumination on your comment. Not a typical religious circular argument.
@@martinarreguy7789 look who's talking..
Ah yes of course, so you, yourself, have never been fooled. For you are grounded and beyond deception. Fairwell my good friend, and good luck with that perspective.
There is principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principal is contempt prior to investigation.
Sir Herbert Spencer.
And God Bless you?
@@martinarreguy7789 only when I sneeze, thank you..
Me again.
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Such a pleasure to hear him speak about something he loves. He is eager to answer questions, speaks with enthusiasm, and gives a neutral bias feel at least for myself. Very enlightening
Hi, what is his name? Where can i watch his other lectures? Thanks!
"Neutral bias"🤣
@@seek4truth I heard his last name was Longarm… Custis Longarm!
Dont mind the DAWG its in his roots!❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@seek4truth John Hamer.
Fantastic lecture. The historical context, the excerpts from the tractates, the elaboration on the gnostic concepts, everything was awesome, specially in such a short time. Learned a lot and enjoy every minute. Thanks a lot for sharing here in RUclips.
Thankyou.
Today, your lecture deepened my knowledge of Gnostisim.
Namaste 🙏
Thank you for your session. I have learned a lot about the topic. GBY
I am on youtube everyday, listening to Beth Moore or Robert Madu and self help videos. I do not know how I ended up here today, I search many, many topics. This is the first time I seen anything about Gnostic. I have been asking lately, "God who are you?" There are so many perceptions, I believe God meets me where I am and with the information I am willing to explore. I have always felt like feminin energy needs to be there, or here with me. I have embraced the Holy Spirit as this energy. I go back and forth, feeling like as a Christian I am in big trouble and I am in fear sometimes. I will keep asking God to be me with and lead me, reveal truth and remove all views and theory's that do not belong and are only confusing me. I need Wisdom, I will continue research it. Peace
Very interesting. Hung on every word and saving to watch a few more times.
For those interested, researcher Wes Penre talks LOTS about gnostic ideas, along with current events and the direction we are heading collectively as humanity,
Thanks for putting this on RUclips.
Almighty God, as I move through the chapters of life, I seek Your guidance. May your wisdom be the light that dispels the darkness, and may your peace be the anchor that anchors my soul. Amen.
Did you know that every time you say amen you're calling on a name of Amun Ra, the "god" of ancient Egypt?
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. My understanding of Christianity has been expanded.
Helping other and feeding the poor is main job, everything else false mostly
This guy's brilliant. Well educated, and makes for a fantastic lecture. Enjoyable to listen to. Awesome.
btw- Looks like an image of a young Ben Franklin! lol!
~JSV
When you mentioned the Ebionites being "poor," I was remined of the "Poor knights of the Temple of Solomon." Thank you for the Lecture. You have patience worthy of the almighty.
Extremely knowledgeable and well spoken lecture
Discussing Christianity and theology with a very knowledgeable Catholic friend of my mine, i described the beliefs i have come to over the course of 39 years of living in the world, raised non denominational Christian, becoming agnostic as a teen, and then finding Edgar Cayce's autobiography as an adult, my friend told me that i essentially aligned with the Gnostic beliefs, and this video has helped me confirm this. It's kind of wild i had the same rationalization and have come to the same conclusions these people many centuries ago did. Thanks for the great explaii
44:30 - _Woman asks if Jesus had Eastern influence in his teachings. For this you will need to study the Upaniṣad and the Advaita Vedānta philosophy. There are total of nine schools of thought in Indian philosophy by the way. Each school is further divided into multiple branches._
_It is not certain that Jesus came to India or towards the East but his Gnostic teachings are literally the same with Jñāna Yoga (Path of Knowledge)._
*As a Hindu I see Jesus as a great master! Greetings from ancient India 🇮🇳.*
EDIT: *There are many theories about him. But one theory that really makes sense to me is he did come to India and studied the Vedas, especially the Upanishads. Because his Gnostic teachings are literally the Vedantic teachings. From who else can Jesus be trained about the gnosis of the pure consciousness, the Self?*
*In Tibet's Hemis Monastery his coming was recorded in a manuscript. It was later approved by three persons. One of them is Swami Abhedananda, the other two I couldn't recall.*
*Bangalore Venkateshwara Raman, a Vedic Astrologer, also agrees by this theory of his coming to India as per his Kundali (birth chart).*
Gnosticism is fake There’s the creation and the Creator that’s it
@@albusai *_Creation and creator are the typical teachings of all religions. I did not deny the concept of it. But self-enquiry and self-knowledge (Jñāna + Gnosis) is required to know thyself._*
As a Human Being
I see Christ as a Heart on Fire.
Tao Follows only Tao
Greetings my Brother.
From America.
@@albusai can you Define either one for me?
Nice job. Especially on Thomas, some interpretations recently are outlandish but I think you did it justice. Thank you!
I love learning how there is unity in Christian, Jewish and Greek ideas. Thank you for this great information. I very much appreciate it!
There are not.
@@WhiteDove73-888 ?
@@WhiteDove73-888 Are you sure?
Romans 10:9 KJV “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
John 3:16 King James Version 16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved. John 3:16 (share the good news of the gospel around the world!) Have a wonderful day/night, may the LORD bless you all, and farewell!,.,,,,,,
Galatians 3:26 KJV For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Check out Syncretism with Santos Bonacci.
I've only recently found this channel, and I have to say I've been thoroughly inspired by the academic and historical approach you've taken with these discussions. Thank you so much for sharing these talks.
Read the Nag Hamas and The Other Bible books. Amazing.
Nag Hamadi
@@andrearussell8794 oh, I'm familiar, but those are great suggestions.
@@andrearussell8794 Enoch is wild.
The Enerald Tablets of Thoth is Awesome as well.
I just wish they didn’t take questions. The audience gets annoying.
"Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed, When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and they will reign over all."
Thank you for a great lecture, much appreciated and thanks to centre place for posting it. peace.
Listened to this while making about 100 grissini breadsticks lol. Thanks for an enlightening lecture. Love the Q & A at the end, too. Such an informed audience.
Wow that’s impressive…you must feed a lot of kiddos haha. Sounds delicious. I’m doing….paperwork lol 😒
A very interesting presentation. One has to keep in mind that the gnostics are not crackpots, even though for most of us it may be difficult to make any sense of what they are saying. Gnostics don't feed on other peoples ideas, but they are in a state of mind which allows them to simply know that which is not accessible to the 'normal' human mind. They don't make things up. They speak of the Divine.
The Christian Church, on the other hand, is completely devoid of any spirituality because it absolutely lacks the connection with the Divine that the gnostics have.
I believe the Gnostics were essentially of a mystical bent. Christ gave his grace, the awakening of kundalini energy, to all who were receptive by self-surrender to Divinity. Having bestowed his divine grace, he took responsibility for their spiritual life and material life as well. This is universal and is available with Great Beings, Mahatmas, Rishis, Yogis, etc.
Couldn’t agree more!
Gnostic doctrine makes much more sense and fits infinitely better with the world we actually observe. It explains the problem of evil, the obvious absence of God, the base evil of the “god” of the OT, etc. Western society would probably be better off if the Gnostic teachings had not been brutally suppressed by the human sacrifice cult that became Christianity.
But Gnostics are still very much crackpots, and the doctrine is just as fictional as canonical Christianity. Yes, Gnosticism happens to be less pernicious, self-contradictory, and nonsensical than what we have now (this is a very low bar), but it’s still just a set of entirely fantastical false beliefs, like every other religion cobbled together by man.
@@LAK_770 yes 100% “the word of man” written 100s of yrs later and also men decided what made it into the canon. It’s all still interesting though.
Certainly agree with your comment. Most Christians from modern churches would not recognise the inner soul of Jesus if they chatted with them on a park seat.
Excelent summary , i am highly interested in finding a more detailed Gnostic undemanding. The diverting belief system at that time has had such a major impact in our current state.
Nice presentation. Cool to see this kind of discussion happening adjacent to the CoC movement. Greetings from an LDS "cousin."
Mary followed our savior to the foot of the cross, disregarding her own life to be with him withersoever he went. And she was the 1st one looking for his resurrection. I think that I'll listen to her.
You should read the Bible instead cause she said do what he says
@David
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You didn't find me.
I found you.
Straight from the grave my friend.
Iiiim back.
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Can't kill an actual God as it turns out.
We just come back.
I told them 3 days, I meant heavenly days.
0-1000 day 1 1000-2000 day 2 2000 started day 3 and I was resurrected.
Now is day 7 and this is the place of rest.
Me rest I give you so that you may have peace and know that I AM alive and well.
And the father comes at the end.
Be of good cheer, for I have overcame this world.
And because I live, you also shall live.
I and the father are one.
It is greater than I.
Same truth it has always been.
Truth is eternal.
Told you I would send the spirit.
Prepare yourself for the heavenly kingdom, for it is at hand.
@David I read all the apostles letters. Nowhere did I say a word about praying to Mary. Besides the fact I was talking about Mary Magdalene.
@@albusai you have no clue what I said. Mary Magdalene has a written testimony that's not a part of the accepted Canon.
@David I didn't say a word about mother Mary. I was talking about Mary Magdalene and speaking about the example she set when all the other disciples fled.
I'm Gnostic. Thanks. It's very fasinating.
While back at didn't know I was Gnostic. Now I have Gnosis 24/7 forever
Those two chicks are so aggravating! “Hey look at me! Look what I know!”
Be careful people! Jesus Christ is the only way to the father.
WOW...THANK YOU FOR THIS !! GREAT EXPLANATION
Gnosis is a Greek word for "intuition"... meaning to learn or be taught from within. It's the knowledge of the Heart, where as intellect is of the Brain. It's our intellect which manufactures this facade we call life, it's our intuition that sees what's behind the facade, otherwise known as "truth". You cannot use your intellect to search for truth when it's busy perpetuating the lie. Our intellect murders our intuition... Cain killing Abel. Our intuition lies buried in the Earth (Heart) until we fulfill the law (gravity) which governs our Fall into death and the decomposition process (Old Testament). It is our intuition (Holy Spirit) which guides us thru the process of changing the law the system operates under from gravity to levity, aka "love". Levity is the law that governs our Spring into Life and recomposition (Resurrection). This is all accomplished thru the daemonic hierarchy within our collective subconscious (the heads of the 7 churches aka chakras) as described in the Apocalypse/Revelation of John :)
Wow, what a lot of information, in a relatively short comment , lots to think about x
Brilliant comment!
Knowledge killed wisdom
Red x
What a load of tosh.
I'm a Gnostic, thank u. Very informative
Brilliantly illuminating. Thank-you for your work and for the clarity and deeper connections. We’re on the hunt for the golden thread in word art and design to redefine style and value in these sorely lacking “material post industrial” days… all things gold in balance.
Absolutely fascinating, thank you so much. I have read a lot over the years but never found out who were the Gnostics, why did the Church hate them so much, why were they so persistent? What a sad waste of so much intellect. I like them. Might even have been one, if i''d had the guts.
gnostics are todays freemasons and illuminati.... if you wanted to be a gnostic go down to your local lodge
They were hated by Christians (not "the church") because Gnosticism... Is satanism. It's paganism. It's astrology. It's material worship.
I used to believe in Gnosticism and the shared consciousness and all that. I remember seeing the Zeitgeists movies. And seeing David Icke talking about this kind of stuff. And you see it all over TV shows and movies. How many movies end with "let's make heaven on Earth".
Then I realised that Satanists (and their precursors like Crowley) say the same thing.
So do Luciferians (which is where Socialism comes from).
So do Freemasons and the UN.
So does the Vatican.
So do Jews and Israel.
So do Muslims.
How strange.
All major organised religions now believe in a shared God, a shared Lord Allah Father to worship with the Gaia Earth mother. We are children of the Earth, Earth is dying ect ect ect. Everybody love each other (even the children🤮). Anything goes. Peace. Love.
People talk about the New World Order... No, it's the old order. It's the order of the beasts.
@@heythere2115 Dude. Lighten up. You talk like the status quo, putting everybody in a bag. Christians were hated by the Romans. They were hunted down just like anyone else who didn't conform to their belief system and fed to the lions as a public display of how well they were liked. That's why there were so many caves occupied in Turkey.
You aren't a Christian, so how can you speak as though you know what they think or do? Read the first 3 sentences of the description. If there was no information hidden from the masses, then Jesus wouldn't have said, "Father forgive them. for they know not what they do". These were his last words, BTW. A culmination of his experience as Immanuel. You need to do less talking and more studying. Then strive to understand what you study. The internet is full of "armchair experts" who assume they know something. They memorize a lot of information, but they don't understand what it means. People don't need more opinions. They need truth. That's what was hidden by the serpent from Adam and Eve in the Garden ... Truth.
So you have to admit from the Biblical evidence that Gnostics were right about at least one thing. In fact, if you studied the Bible well enough, you would know the words of Jesus, "You have heard that it was written an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth ..." What Jesus is saying right there is the text was not written (or copied by the scribe) correctly as it was given by God. Now that obscures the truth a little bit, doesn't it? Anyone who believes the text as given would be ignorant of the truth. The Gnostics knew what Jesus knew (at least in a limited sense). This means Gnostics were in agreement with Jesus on the point of ignorance of the truth.
Give people a break and try to understand what they're talking about before you start attacking them. There's a difference between someone who hides something from you (illuminati, masonics, etc.), and someone who says things are being hidden from you (Gnostics, Jesus, ...).
Why? See Life of Brian. For Gnostics read; Judean Peoples Front
@@l.m.892 I just have to commend your answer from a Christian POV. Personally, I am heavily agnostic or even atheist. And if I was a believer, I probably would be more Pagan than Christian, but Christianity is my cultural heritage and I strive to understand it, especially from a historical perspective. I think you were spot on.
Excellent lecture.
Very very interesting! Thanks so much for posting this!
Very good! I mean that, in my view, this is excellent teaching.
I am studying the Gospel of Thomas at the moment. Excited to find this. Thank you.
@David I have studied the whole Bible KJV. Have you?
@David Better read what probably are the oldest version of the true words of Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas.
Or go on worshiping a XV century book, if you prefer.
@@two-moonz2953 David has left the chat lol
@David Have you even read the Gospel of Thomas? Its a short piece of literature. I find it very inspiring. Check it out and tell me what you think. It contains a compilation of Jesus’s sayings and teachings. 75% of it is sayings already in the biblical text.
People who think that any Translation especially the KJV is the True word of God are very confused individuals. How can it be when Gods Word was preserved in Hebrew?
Please make it make sense? Either the original Hebrew Scriptures is the True word of God or the translated KJV is!
the gospels are all copies of each other and none are written by the named authors. have you read the gospel of judas? god is evil and jesus came to fight him, it got left out of the bible for some reason.
Learned a lot. Thanks for sharing. 🙏🏽
Thank you this was a delightful lecture. Looking forward to exploring more of your videos.
Makes me think about how Christian extremism is similar to the whole gnostics within other churches. huh, convergent evolution of religions.
Whole presentation is amazing. Bravo!
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1 Peter 4:11 11If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
Amen
I’ve been walked through an awakening to this knowledge by the unseen realm. I would love to have a conversation with this man
People often underestimate the degree to which ancient people traveled….
Thank you, John Hamer. Great stuff.
Thank YOU. Ive been trying to figure out who the presenter is so i can see if ge has other lectures.
It is a shame that we tend to define our churches as What-we-don’t-do. “They don’t take communion every week.” “They pray to statues.” “ We don’t dance.” “ They only sprinkle.” And so on.
That is true. Those are non essential questions while the main point is the Christ and the core of his teaching, love one another like one self. "If you had just a pinch of real faith and zeal, you'd be free as birds in the sky" -Yahsua around 33 AD
@@ark-mark1 When you boil down Christianity to its essence…..that essence is love.
I don't do bullshit.
Your brain has so much in it❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
May God richly bless u Sir
Thanks for the very fascinating and inspiring talk. I went through postgrad training in Eastern religions particularly Buddhism and found beyond a mere coincidence that certain Gnostic beliefs resemble those of Buddhism, especially in terms of finding the kingdom of God(s) or 'divine revelation' within one's own heart, and the spirits of awakening to the secret 'higher' divine knowledge through meditation, as it can hardly be 'communicated' clearly through words or concepts. Also, seeing the current sensual or sensory-dominated 'world' as evil controlled by the evil God can find parallel in the conception of sensuous deity 'Mara' in Buddhism.
@Darren Yahweh = Enlil. Read Deuteronomy. Yahweh is not very Godly
@Darren Please describe your born again experience with the Holy Spirit. Thanks.
@Martin Luther Yahweh is not the creator source of the Universe. God doesn’t get jealous.
Enlil, the king of the gods, is especially annoyed by the constant disturbance from below and so decides to lessen the population by sending first a drought, then pestilence and then famine down upon the earth.
After each of these plagues, the humans appeal to the god who first conceived of them, Enki, and he tells them what to do to end their suffering and return the earth to a natural, productive state. Enlil, finally, can stand no more and persuades the other gods to join him in sending a devastating flood to earth which will completely wipe out the human beings.
Enki takes pity on his servant, the kind and wise Atrahasis, and warns him of the coming flood, telling him to build an ark and to seal two of every kind of animal within. Atrahasis does as he is commanded and the deluge begins:
@Martin Luther Enlil is not God. These stories predate the Bible by thousands of years. Enlil is deified being from another planet. Enki was the “serpent”
@Martin Luther the Bible is plagiarized/ summarized retelling of much older Sumerian stories such as Epics of Gilgamesh, Atrahasis, Eridu Genesis, Myth of Adapa, Enuma Elish, emerald tablets ect
Was captivated the whole time! Thanks!
Note to self for my own study: at 58 minutes, the slide with the Gnostic terms, is translated into the physics lingo of Blaney as follows: (abbreviated)
Monad - void + potential energy
Aeons - paired aetheric flows that emanate from void's 'soup-in-grid' and includes, for example, clockwise/counter clockwise spins, inward-outward or contract/expand, and other 'logos'.
Sophia- if sophia is an aeon it must also have an opposite, so Sophia is 'wisdom-ignorance' in which
a rather loose interpretation given here for fun:
the demi-urge is the urge (wise or foolish?) to look within to 'know thyself' thus (sophia the light photon) desires to see self as follows: vortex's head approaches vortex's tail, and aetheric flow of the photon's head superimposes on aetheric flow of photon's tail (could say oroboros, head enters body, or tail enters mouth, to 'know self')
continuing seriously:
So the oroboros 'rings of light' birthed by sophia's 'light photon nature' are basically trapped light vortices in the form of a stable torroid (which is a photonic vortex traveling in a circular path superimposed upon its own backbone, --Blaney Theory of structure of electron from gamma ray building block)
Said another way;
The demiurge gives rise to the action of Sophia light-converting-to-mass (mass is the light ring oroboros, the condensed light, the trapped light, the light-to-darkness metaphor)
point of note:
This new form of light in the form of mass, gives rise to information storage and sharing capability, as well as associated time and relativity.
and finally the archons, what are they and why is the gnostic explanation so unfulfilling? here is blaney interpretation, loosely for brevity :
ARCHONS: evil angels who serve demiurge? sounds a bit vague.
Blaney terminology would say archons are the mass entities arising from the [chemistry and physics that arises when mass and light are present together] -- (without mass, no such chemistry can exist). This mass, along with light and resultant chemistry, creates beings who think, share and store info, learn, develop systems to 'see' self. The archons-serving-demiurge is (blaney asserts) the natural tendency for the mass-light-'life' to self-sustain itself via procreation and eating food to survive etc.
The 'man' of mass+light may serve self 100% (psychopath, evil serving of demiurge) or serve self and others in a ratio of 49/51 so that man survives as well as her fellow life forms (a more kind and loving serving of demiurge). e.g. These tendencies to survive could be thought of as serving the demiurge. Thus, "serving the Demiurge" is translated more clearly as serving life as we know it in our [material plus light] world.
If secret (gnostic, buddhist, vedic, other) teachings claim to get my 'light body essence' out of my mass body (so it can exist as an aetheric flux pattern not bound by mass) then it would follow that I would have to somehow un-attach the aetheric flux which defines me ... from the mass body. this seems a bit of a challenging problem, unless perhaps a more intelligent being could instruct me how to do so, while assuring me it is itself not a self-serving entity. :D
end of note to self. to any readers: I apologize for the lack of rigor of my notes.
VANITY - VANITY - ALL IS VANITY...
The more you pretend to know - the less you actually know...
Clearly this is ego driven dillusional gibberish.
Blaney...Blarney
@@Braddha I bet your fun at a party.
@@justinbernal1 what is the point, of writing this to me? 🤔
The constant interruptions with questions makes this frustrating to get through. Very interesting stuff when the lecture isn't being sidetracked.
The last questioner but one was absolutely tedious. I wished she would just spit it out.
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@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 was that the drunk Scot
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And I'm already back amongst you.
I AM the living one.
Told you id be back.
Even worms and insects are living ones
Which of these are You
Christ is a degree earned, maybe
I'm a member of the Old Apostolic Church of South Africa and we believe that God and Satan are two spirits that dwell within. One pulls us in the negative downward through our own desires and lusts and the apposing spirit is that of discernment and renewal of my daily actions. Scriptures for us although seen as God's word and acknowledge it as natural events that physically took place like to take all the history and nastiness out of the equation and prefer to see the whole Bible as parable and therefore speak in parables to remain as spiritual as possible. Every colour, material substance, day, political or social standing, Name, geological location etc etc mentioned in scripture all mean something to us or have "hidden meaning" and so when out in normal public will only recognize another member of the church through the parables which we speak. Anyways I really enjoyed this video it was blessedly informative yet light at the same time.😊
Thank you - I found that highly informative. Great presentation
I thougt it a shame when a woman thanked him for reading all that, so they didn’t have to! If I had been him, I would have been disappointed not to have inspired people to go and read these gnostic gospels for themselves, and decide themselves what they thought about them. I also was disturbed by his laughing when he was talking about the opening of the gospel of St Thomas from Al Hammadi, as being a Buddhist, I find them most inspiring.
I learned a lot. Thank you.
Take a look at the Carpocrates and ebionites. Both communists, both heretics, both purged by the Emperor. Hail.
While I am still not a Gnostic I thank you for making their beliefs and thoughts clearer for me. Even Orthodox Christians were lied about by their detractors. Unfortunately that is nothing new.
ah yes, every religion and every branch of every religion, thinks they have the truth, that the universe and especially humans were created by magic man in the sky.
Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics
Chamber 27 plus degree
Molecular Atoms Seeds Oxidation Nuclides are the first type of Masons who are born into Sin ( Seeded ire Nuclides ) and casted into Hell.
Matthew 1:23 Behold , the virgins ( waters which are Oxidated Nuclides ) shall be with child and bear a SON , they shall call him Immanuel ( fire and atomic molecule water bearing element , Steam ). This immaculate conception creates what we called fusion ( fallen seeds ionized oxidated nuclides ). the first of these seeds we call fire . Matthew 1:24 Joseph ( Yoself ) meaning in addition woke up , he did as the angel ( all nuclides of HELLO ) of the lord commanded him to take Mary ( the virgin waters ) as his wife. Mathew 1: 25 he had no sexual union ( seeded elements that crossed the exosphere , Stars ) all nuclides of Hello ionized oxidated nuclide ) with her until she birthed her son ( seeded oxidated nuclide ) . And she called him Yeshua ( Issa , Ieous , Gaseous , Jesus ).
Jesus as the Mason his trade is carpentry ( fish of the opening , fisher man ).
@@IshtarLinqu : the bible is stupidity on a stick, for fools to pine for sky candy.
your babble is no better.
I don't think anyone really knows anything. 😊
@@Noor-jw2tn : post truth brain abcess
These lectures are fantastic. Thank you
Great lecture by John Hamer
I usually cover all of the marcian doctrines with a quote from Peter ,,"beware of Paul's writings that are filled with hard sayings hard to be understood... With some have twisted to their own destruction"
As if that proud fool Simon had room to talk. But at least he died like the devil that he was. Histrionic as usual.
Mercy! Pretty harsh considering his statements were true... And histrionic 🤣🤣🤣🤣 may I ask what is the basis for your faith in God?.. or the lack thereof??
What do you mean?
Very Instructive, Bravo !
Wow, great job. I am impressed with your delivery and now I have a much better understanding. Thank you so much.
How do we find out who this excellent lecturer is and where does he teach? This complex issue is made almost simplistic, which is a characteristic of great teaching.
He oversimplifies quite a lot though. There are several instances of not insignificant historical inaccuracies in this lectures as well; Valentinians were never described as ‘gnostics’ during their time, neither by themselves nor in any polemic against them. In fact, no group or movement known as the ‘gnostics’ is
known to ever have existed.
Instead ‘Gnosticism’ is a label ascribed by modern scholars to religious movements (most commonly Christian) exhibiting certain shared/similar cosmological and theological tendencies /characteristics;
-The belief that the material was is the creation of the Demiurge (God of the Old Testament, a lesser deity)
-Salvation through gnosis
-A very specific and complex cosmology (too complex to explain here)
Most of these historic groups identified themselves as Christians and some of them as Sethian, but none of them ever described themselves as ‘the Gnostics’/any such similar term, as far as we know.
His name is John C. Hamer. He is leading the community of Christ in Toronto.
@@dapaulson1 It is a church in transition. And since it is a non creedal church, it has members with a wide variety of beliefs. I would not compare it to the LDS church though, it is quite distinct.
The most accurate description of what religion is and how other cultures influenced, taken from different cultures and traditions. I would like to hear from the philosopher who taught this guy how to interpret the world religions and how they influenced people.
To the victor goes the history course of which we are allowed to interpret. Egypt has a history of Jesus Christ two thousand years before the Christ we know. If you dig deep you can find the Christ child who was visiting other people’s.
And there is historical evidence for these fantastical claims? I doubt it.
Yes, yes! This is also what the Buddha taught. and he taught TRUTH, not the garbage that most "normal" Christians believe. Besides, one often confides in one's lover, secrets one might not share with one's closest friends.
Every time Rome says something is heresy that means it's truth they don't want you to know
Bingo!
Please do more of these videos. They are the best on you tube and so low key
I really like this guy!! His videos are great💖
Lecture is brilliant! I couldn't skip some ideas from the Jewish mistical stream called Kabala which came to being many years later
Excellent presentation.
Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
Greetings from Alaska ❤️ wanting to visit Ireland 😊💜
Love the info- hate the questions during the presentation. In my opinion, questions should be held off until the end. Anyway, my $.02.
I agree it can be distracting from the presentation. Especially, when the people asking have drawn out questions.
I dunno, the questions are mostly ok. Some are questions we have but mostly they show how ignorant we are all about these things and how diverse our assumptions are. Mostly ignorance though - which then allows him to fill gaps and demonstrates how much value he is adding :)
Agree tho his scholarship is great and he does get back on track pretty well.
Me too, but in this case the questions are actually 'questions' rather than long-winded statements (so far, at least).
Great presentation,
Till that lady took over the Entire Dissertation
Redirecting the narrative to Her teachings.
Haaahhhaaaa
I didn't hear a question.
These day's,
People qualify the question as if the question were complicated,
Just ask a question and let the answer qualify itself.
Great talk. It might have been worth mentioning that the Ebionites believed Jesus was elevated to a profit but not a diety. This is in line with the idea that after their "disappearance" in the 7th century, Islam began assimilating some of their ideas.
what a great lecture. thank you!!!
Annoying unnecessary questions, great lecture
Gnosticism isn’t just another religious ideology, or just another religious practice. The idea of “knowing” is not the same as “believing”, or accepting based on someone else’s authority. Knowing comes from a long and difficult process of seeking/searching, and this is mentioned in both the Gnostic and canonical texts.
The people you see in the water at 44:00 aren’t Gnostics. They’re religious people doing what religious people do: shutting their brains off and following the rest of the herd.
The path to Gnosis should be different for every individual, because every individual is different. There’s no one-size-fits-all set of directions for a true Gnostic to follow.
I understand that the person lecturing is approaching the topic of Gnosticism historically, or you might say academically, but his explanation of Gnosticism doesn’t do justice for what Gnosticism truly is.
Pilate said “What is Truth?”
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." *Voltaire*
Just found this! Thanks.
Fascinating. I am very pleased to subscribe!
Excellent lecturer, glad I am now subscribed here to maybe catch him more later.
Great speech, very instructive, I will review part of it
i became an early athiest a 12 "preacher said my mom was hell-bound because she was a divorced woman.