Do TALENT shows use auto tune?! DON'T believe everything you hear!!!
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- On the agenda tonight we're taking a look at an audition from 'The X Factor' here in the UK to see if it was auto-tuned!
TIME STAMPS -
0:00 Start
1:24 Performance
4:06 Analysis Start
6:34 Respectability? Credibility?
8:21 Trying to 'get away with it'?
8:54 All About the TV (from personal experience!)
11:04 Vocal Waveform Analysis
15:59 Throwing Off the Scent
18:14 The Judges
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Pitch correction in vocal competitions is just as much of a cheat as performance-enhancing drugs in athletic competitions.
And she didn’t need auto-tune because she could definitely hit the notes correctly and she has excellent natural capabilities. They compromised her audition for the sake of the production damaging her chances of her performance. 😒
But I don't think one should blame the contestants. They are simply following their dream to become famous. The competition organizers are the ones who are running the show and deciding which performance gets processed with pitch correction.
@@rookmaster7502 exactly. Someone is cheating on their behalf. It isn't their fault at all, so they shouldn't be vilified for it.
not quite, but close.
"Pitch correction in vocal competitions is just as much of a cheat as performance-enhancing drugs in athletic competitions."
Correct, except the referees are giving them the PEDs.
I remember watching this exact performance on TV with friends and telling them the it was autotuned, and they were telling me that she was just a great singer. SO HAPPY to be vindicated!
I can remember this performance , my friend who is a professional musician immediately said it was Autotuned , I’d never even heard of autotune before that night , You’ve nothing to feel vindicated over , many people said the same ❤️
Not sure how they thought she was a great singer though with or without autotune 🏳
Anyone who thinks the tuned version sounds great doesn’t know what great signing sounds like. You are vindicated just by noticing.
I don't like and therefore don't watch such shows but surely this is reason enough to avoid them. This is the equivalent of miming or taking drugs to improve performance.
Fil sings more in tune than the poor girl.
I realize some people think Fil is like the Grinch who stole Christmas with the autotune videos. It is impossible to go back to the ignorance of believing that performers we enjoy are singing with their natural voices. Once you hear it, you can't unhear. I don't think Fil is trying to spoil our enjoyment. I believe he is trying to educate us so that we can be astute listeners. If you like a song/singer/group and they use autotune, so what? I'd rather know the truth and be unashamed to admit that I still like what I'm hearing. These videos are far more than simply pointing out when a performer uses autotune. It is commentary on the state of the music industry and the juxtaposition of a truly talented musical artist vs. a glossy image that sells tickets.
Well put, Donna!
Very well said!
I've always hated these shows because of the screaming off tune and everyone loves them and choses them. I was a singer and this always made me shrug my shoulders. I've learned so much from you, Fil.
Well said, Donna Colwell.
@@marianclough8577 I totally agree. Just because someone can "belt out" a vocal, doesn't automatically mean they have a great voice. Volume doesn't equal quality, but shows like X Factor & American Idol defintely favor loud over good. I find it really odd. 🤷♀️
Auto tune and pitch correction in a contest is definitely CHEATING ! !
But an interesting kind of cheating because it isn't the contestant who is doing it. Basically someone is cheating on their behalf, and they don't even know it.
It would be cheating if these competitions actually operated under a set of rules. Lol
I've seen local contests, regional contests, older tv contests, and there's no emotional backstory of the singers to emotionally impact the judges. The judges are totally impartial and detatched and focused on singing ability. It's purely about actual talent. The judges are usually professionals in their field, not necessarily celebrities who are guaranteed to draw an audience. It's about the actual contest and the actual contestants, and the potential careers they can garner from the experience.
These shows are purely for entertainment. I genuinely feel that they're shows built on the bones of how a competition show runs, but isn't actually one in practice, so the people running it can bend or totally break conventional choices in order to put on a good performance on television.
It's like they combined competition and reality TV, and we all know "reality tv" is heavily edited and scripted around adlibbing.
It also sounds heavily compressed, which is very common in current music. The sound levels of her voice seem unnaturally even and her voice is oddly thick, and this to me spells out that compression was heavily applied. And from their point of view, why say yes to pitch correction and no to compression? Probably equalised too.
@@carr0760 I am sure that she knows, but she probably didn't request it. But yeah, it's the show that cheats, not the contestants.
Oh, and Pegasus didn't take into account that the auto-tune may well have been applied live, and the audience and judges all hear auto-tuned and compressed vocals, but hers sounded dodgy, hence the looks on the panel.
I'd say rigged, rather than cheating.
It’s the whole over-polished mindset of entertainment, and the false perception it creates. Vocal training and development should be more widespread and, and music should be reintroduced into schools.
I agree that music should definitely be re-introduced to schools
100% agreement here.
Yes, so true!
Rebelling against the over-polished mindset is why we got punk rock, so it can't be all bad.
I could hear the autotune almost as soon as she started. It's a shame we don't get to hear the actual performance.
That must have been the part where I noticed Fil almost broke out laughing!
@@carlwilliams6977 I
Me, too. That's how well educated I've become from Fil.
You have good ears. I didn’t pick up on the auto tune.
@@patriciasnyder6915 u will get there, soon.
Soon you will have enough experience enough to hear it right away. Hopefully this won't ruin some of your favourite songs, cause once you know what to listen for.. U will hear it almost everywhere, the effect from it. U will hear it as a noise that u wish weren't there, even on some extremely good singers. Btw, its often then producer who chose to use autotune on a live performance or autotune/pitch correction on an album, the artist/vocalist often have no idea.
Even my boys said they get tired of hearing all the “sad” stories. They just want to hear the contestants sing…. some can and some can’t.
If they wouldn’t use auto tune at all we could hear their true voices. Isn’t that the point? It’s all so fake. Thank you for another great video Fil.
If it involves Simon it is fake.
The manipulative sob stories is probably the main reason I've never watched these kinds of shows.
@@imnotabotrlyimnot 😂😂
It's a contagion that's spread everywhere now, isn't it? Even in the Olympics, it seemed like an athlete had to have broken their back at least once to be deserving of your support!
The fact that autotuning is used at all says volumes about how far the industry has sunk. As far as shows like this are concerned, I can't stand them. It's all about how you look, not how you sound. How many amazing talents from years ago wouldn't have made it in today's market simply because they didn't have the look? Yes, appearance has always been a factor, but not in the way that it's the sole criteria. Small wonder I rarely find anything new that makes me want to hear it again.
As for this young woman, even with the electronic fakery, I heard nothing that makes me want to hear her again.
I totally agree, and the auto tune on this is so obvious. I hate the sound of it. 😬
There is some fantastic music out there. But it's stifled by the industry. You have to go to the live music venues in the cities to hear it otherwise you'd never knew it existed.
Yes I could hear the auto tune from the start and yes it was so badly done. Once you know what your listening too you can pick it up quite quickly. Thank you Phil for teaching us what to look and listen to.💕
Love the fact that you continue to hammer away at lame, bogus, unnatural Auto-tune...keep up the good work!
I didn't get into that at all. Clearly autotuned.
You're not the only one that doesn't get into these shows, I never watch them! I love my rock & roll, harder rock is my taste! Old school for sure, yep, that's what I am lol.
Thank you fil!🌷
Autotune is a great tool if used subtly. The issue I have with it and with music in general today is that it allows people that are not great singers, but have the right look, to compete with people who are great singers but don't have he right look. I'm sure the public has missed out on some great singers over the years.
My only interest in singers is whether they can carry a tune and sound good to my ears. For example, of the modern singers, I like Adele enough to buy her CDs but have never bought Mariah Carey's music as in my view she screeches.
Yes I totally agree with what you said about shows like The X Factor. I auditioned myself in 2011 (US) and saw a lot of talent being dismissed over gimmicky and quirky acts. I love your videos btw!!
Yep. I can hear it plain as day. Sad, because this should be all about the talent of the real voice. I guess we can expect it when they make records, but for a contest, it should be all about the "real deal"!
Hi Fil from Aus! I'm a 64 yrs granny with long years of (so-so) music playing behind me. I came across your channel a couple of weeks ago and have been really enjoying your analysis of artists - especially my old favourites - and learning much more about music and how it's made. However, when you said you had appeared on the talent show, I had to see it...Well! Thank you so much for the best laugh I've had in a long time!!! Keep on rockin' Fil!
This hurts my ears and I feel sorry this was done to her. Sadly, if you are really accurate, auto tune will actually snap (in my experience) to inaccurate notes which causes those weird sounding notes that sound like they're "out of tune". After I pestered my producer enough to stop putting the basic autotune on my voice, he had SO MUCH LESS work pitch correction to do, not more.
Fuck auto tune. I hate it.
I'm a classically trained singer, and I've been told my pitch is extremely close to perfect. I'm also deaf in one ear.
It seems to me that if you have "the look" that's all they really care about because they can just "fix" the lack of talent with autotune...unfortunately the masses don't even know!🤦♀
but they do because its been years since anyone bought x-factor stuff, look at the charts in any given week, it's full of older artists.
It's funny you say that, because I didn't think this young lady was particularly attractive or charismatic. She was obviously VERY ill at ease until she started singing, and after she finished. I understand that anyone would be nervous, but her lack of ease and awkwardness was cringe worthy! All I'm saying is she didn't seem like an obvious candidate if you had to tune her voice.
@@carlwilliams6977 they'll retune someones voice regardless of it being needed or not
@@flemit35 Well....that's just sad!
These shows also go to great lengths to ensure the right mix of "diverse voices". They don't want to be accused of being an "isct" or a "phobe". I'm not saying that's why this young woman was picked, but these shows are all about image aka Smoke & Mirrors.
hi Fil, How about Susan Boyle? Can you analyze her first audition when she first sang??
I love Susan Boyle. When she sang Memory towards the end of the competition she went off key. But it was only for a minute and she completed the song in fabulous fashion. Auto tune / pitch correction. I will always be a fan.
No autotune on Susan, she didn’t need it
No auto tune there.
Her first audition actually murdered that song (removing the entire meaning of the song by omitting non family friendly verses didn't help).
or the first audition of Alice Fredenham and her Funny Valentine, which even after 10 years still arouses people
on youtube.
The sad thing is that this girl sounds like she can probably sing really well! Would’ve preferred to hear her actual, live performance - even if it was pitchy, it would’ve been genuine and a lot more captivating
Fil, you are quickly becoming "The Autotune Guy" on RUclips, and it's valuable and educational. Over the last couple of decades, commercial radio has been playing music that has sounded progressively more manufactured as time has gone by. Music from all genres has suffered from this. I think a lot of people have recognized on some level that something sounds just a bit "off" about it, but can't quite put their finger on why this is. These videos go a long way toward explaining the why and the how of it. Thank you for your efforts.
Some friends of mine went onto America's Got Talent. They were so awful to them and edited them so badly, that even though they were put through to the next round, they left and didn't continue in the series.
America's got talent is the absolute worst of such shows..it's pure manipulation every which way they can think of.
15+ years ago I auditioned for Canadian Idol. I made it through 2 or 3 rounds of producers (there are many rounds before you see the actual judges) and was then told I was too good to be on the show.
I asked how it was possible to be too good for a show that is supposedly looking for the best singer in Canada. They said "this is a TV show. It's about the journey from good to great. You're already clearly a highly accomplished singer. No one wants to watch that...it's boring. Plus, I'm a TV producer...who am I to give you feedback on your singing when you're already excellent? It just won't work."
She was definitely right about that last part because during my audition she kept asking me to sing with an absolutely straight tone with no vibrato at all. Ever. That's impossible for a healthy voice! The amount of tension I would have to employ to stop all vibrato all the time would cause damage. She clearly had no knowledge of how singing works...
That was the day I learned how fake these "reality" competition shows are, and the day I stopped watching them.
I'm in Hamilton where the city went nuts when Brian Melo won. He kept on singing post win but the girls screaming ended not long after . He and band went to Nashville at one point to find industry contacts.
May all be for the best. Best wishes.
@@violinmke oh, the show ended up being a total joke, with no decent careers being launched. I don't care at all. Especially now. I was just sharing my experience as confirmation that it's all about the show and not about the talent.
Vibrato is not necessary. Often ugly.
@@catherinesplane98 Morons are also unnecessary, yet here you are...
@@catherinesplane98 incorrect. What is sound? Vibrations in the air. How does one sing? One's vocal cords create vibrations.
What is vibrato? Vibrations.
It is impossible to sing with a perfectly straight tone all the time unless you are applying damaging amounts of tension to your instrument.
Healthy, controlled vibrato is never ugly. Strained straight tone is
Source: me. A vocal teacher with multiple degrees and decades of experience. Also, every trained vocalist ever.
It’s like telling someone orange soda tastes like oranges.
It’s not just auto tune, they give different contestants different effects, echo, reverb, and other signal processing.
Well, some American singing competitions now, like The Voice and the new version of American Idol do you have successful artists as judges, whether they come originally from a talent competition or made it through the industry on their talent, or a combination, like Kelly Clarkson, but the problem with that is, especially with The Voice, that the show becomes more about the judges than the contestants, and similar to Simon Cowell looking to create artists he can exploit, the show becomes a vehicle for the judges to promote their own careers.
Fil,you'd have a field day with 'American idol '.
Thank you Fil for discussing the commercialization of singing. Most importantly you discuss and explain the natural variations of the human voice, which creates beautiful vocals. Vocalization as an amazingly complex and unique use of an instrument and it should always be valued as such. As a former audio engineer, I strongly believe that those voices that are auto tuned, pitch correctedand/or corrected for tempo should have a printed disclaimer on any broadcast or album. This also includes lip-synching during live performances. It wasn’t that long ago that they destroyed Milli Vanilli for doing so. Now it is a rare event where it is not done. If you can’t sing, dance and/or act while you were singing or you are probably just not cut out for the performing world. Thank you so much for your videos. Wish you the very best.
Go back to the early days of American Idol and it appears that they were NOT using autotune, because having contestants bomb was part of the story. You're a great contestant, but you had a bad weak ... drama ... will you be going home tomorrow ... drama. Would the performer hit that big note of that Whitney song they chose? Would they even try? Drama ....
But then I remember when Simon actually got to put X-Factor on American TV, it was clear that the taped "auditions" had been auto-tuned. Somewhere in our culture we started expecting that great singers had to be perfect singers or they weren't great.
Autotune is so annoying, not just because it sounds horribly fake, but because music producers can mandate who we will listen to and who we won't. It takes the choice away from the general public. Thanks for educating us so we can tell when we are being manipulated. I am getting better at recognizing auto tune because of these videos. The music industry decides who gets ahead depending on their image. Thanks for exposing the tricks that some of the people in the music industry use to make a quick buck.
Fill hates auto tune as do I. Coming from an era where it didn't exist and you heard true voices, with all the emotion, feeling and imperfections that auto tune destroys, I can't stand it. Can you imagine Frank Sinatra, carly Simon or Karen Carpenter being auto tuned? Lol
@@buixrule Totally agree with you.
Simon Cowell is a dangerous individual to the music industry.Anyone remember the” live “final a few years ago, when a capo suddenly appeared out of thin air on a singers acoustic guitar during a key change?
wtf? do you have a link to the video?
Andreas L. Google Henry Gallagher’s capo.
Thx. In fact the capo moved during the key change. But it did not appear out of thin air. And he also did not play guitar during key change but clapped with hands and the camera wasnt focussed on him so he had the chance to change the capo position during that 3 secounds. It is possible but needs training and a good timing management.
You can google it and watch the video of him moving it during the song. The video the mirror has shows him singing and playing then moving it while still singing.
As a sound engineer it's painfully obvious... I blame EDM producers mostly for the prevalence of digital enhancement. Unfortunately t has been allowed to become mainstream in live performances.
I agree in a way that people expect spot on singing live & the risk to artists that don't use it (Vince Neil) is great.
I respect people in the recording industry who are honest with artists. Those that take advantage of someone marginally talented with mix correction are shameless and in it to fill studio time & make $$$
I've been putting ear plugs in for concerts for decades. I do have hearing problems due to a nerve injury, but at least it's not worse by life experiences.
The judge's expressions are quite likely to be taken out of context and not actually their expressions in that moment. They will just edit in a moment which looks like a good reaction at the time, particularly a Simon Cowell reaction shot.
The reactions of the judges are so extreme. I don’t believe they are as “shocked” as they pretend to be. So annoying
I agree with you that Simon Cowell was absolutely gobsmacked when Angelina Jordan sang Bohemian Rhapsody. I could tell from his face he did not know what to say because of the genius he had in front of him
@@lydiabentley3413 Angelina brought her own contract so there was no plan for her to win the competition. Anyways Angelina's style of emotive singing would be ruined by autotune.
@@JerryCernava I know that Angelina had her own contract and of course she did not receive autotune and I was in no way suggesting that so I fail to understand why you did. Singing yellow Brick Road was Angelina‘s way of saying goodbye to Simon Cowell. If you had watched the video that Phil made he made it clear that some of these talent shows use autotune and it sounded terrible. Angelinas instrument does not require any help
@@lydiabentley3413 I'm not sure how you read that into my comment. The video was about auto tune and you mentioned Angelina and it occurred to me that she would not be a good candidate for auto tune.
A few seasons back, American Idol had a sanitation worker who had never sung professionally OR publicly. The judges liked his "down-home", innocence so much, they put him through week after week. They gave him a complete makeover including a brand new smile, and continued to vote him through. He was a likeable guy, but I often wondered if someone was digitally enhancing his voice in order to keep him on week after week. (His back-story really resonated with the public), and he made it further than many contestants with better vocals. Thanks for opening my eyes and ears Fil!
I'd LOVE to see your audition tape from 2013! Simon must have known that you were the real deal and he wasn't going to be able to take advantage of you! 👍
Like that your series on exposing this fraud continues.
I really appreciate this series of videos about auto-tune and pitch correction. I hear "pop" music at work all day and it all sounds so "same-same." Having learned from you about so much, I describe this as drek: auto-tuned, click-tracked, gridded, equalized (so no band or artist is louder of too quiet in comparison to others in the mix... it all becomes Pablum, audio Novocain. Gimme some Janis Joplin or Donovan or Canned Heat, with all their "errors" and "off" notes any damn day of the week! It's so much better than this "modern" crap!
Fil I was so hoping you'd spend some time on this subject. I go back some time ago, when you had a midi and a twelve track to work with you were concidered living high on the hog. But lately in( in the last fifteen years) I'm seeing studios here in LA produce demos of some people trying to "sing" that if weren't for modern technology and excellent sound engineers they would be working at the city fish market yelling out fish orders, cause they can't sing. Keep up the good work l appreciate it.
I’ve also seen in one of these shows in the States where they used it to destroy the vocals of a perfect vocalist. I’d heard the girl sing about 1000 songs with no auto tune, just her and a keyboard. She made it through to final and that’s where they tanked her!
Wow. I have always suspected all those talent shows were fixed. Now I believe it.
I honestly feel that singers should be transparent about relying on auto tune to sound better. It’s like fitness influencers not being open about their steroid use. Totally creates a false perception to the audience. I get that you can most of the time tell they’re using auto tune or physical enhancing drugs, but there are some people who have no clue.
Bingo, got it again and "AND" I caught the part- tuning bit too, took you a while to confirm it, that I thought I had got it wrong. Again, my ear hears it like she was singing from along a long tunnel. Its not pleasant at all.
Cowells of this world are looking for kids they can get a good 3-5 years out off, while he rakes it in. Using the emotional hook, it just shows how sad the show has become. Its really past its sell by date.
Keep up the good work,
I noticed it on the last several seasons of "THE VOICE"!👋🤨💯 in the later rounds...
I love that you're explaining how autotune works for novices like me. It's fascinating! I'd still love to see a classic like something from the Righteous Brothers or Dolly Parton on the graph. Thanks for all your hard work! 💖
Definitely the Righteous Brothers.
Another top-notch Fil's auto tune breakdown. 👍 It's all about television ratings.
Hi! I found you! Sadly, today it seems to be about ratings, like you mentioned, and the almighty 💰💰$
Is there an app you can download to eliminate the "sob stories" they all tell as to why they went on the show....oh, I found it ..the "off" button.
I could tell from Fil's face it wasn't going well.
LMAO Fil is so expressive! I know exactly what you mean.
Just saw your X Factor appearances Fil. Great stuff. Loved your attitude. Clearly you didn't give a 🤬🤬🤬🤬. And took the negativity with good grace. I'm guessing they didn't use autotune on your live vocals 😁😉. Thanks for sharing your insights. Very entertaining. 👍
Pitch correcting young hopefuls without their consent does upset me, to be honest. I know the business is supposed to be brutal, but that is just wrong.
Someone once took a picture of me at festivities and then photoshoped me beyond recognition. Similar situation. But I would also be highly offended if somebody is would do that to my voice!
Great analysis as always Fil. Surprising to see
Thanks, Fil. I find these analyses highly insightful.
🖤🤘🏽
I really enjoyed your analysis and I thought that everything you said was absolutely spot-on. Thank you
The so called talent shows are just about trying to be the cutest or most bubbly or whatever.
The faces of the judges are a dead giveaway. Not only are they not blown away by what they're listening to. All of them at one point or another have expressions or body language that gives away the fact that they're not enjoying the performance at all.
But they've already been told this contestant is advancing. So they just have to do their best to get through the song and then find things to compliment her on other than her actual singing.
I find it interesting that they show the audience loving it. I have to question if they edited to APPEAR as if they enjoyed her performance. 🤔
Thanks, Fil. An entertaining and informative video.
Another good one, Fil! Shared! There is a wealth of good information here. Well done. :)
I want to hear VOCALISTS. Not "Narratives". Agree 100% w/all, to include the ending.
And I just have to add, "BALLS!" for what you did on BGT, any musician who watches that can see- "Showmanship". They should have advanced you for that, alone. Showmanship IS a large part of "Performance". They just don't care- as you said, they are looking for people who fit the Narrative they wish to drive, or heartbreaking story they wish to promote.
Maybe if this girl had had even a tiny bit? It could have helped mask her performance even more- it was truly not good. And yeah, I heard, with absolute ease, where they let go of the Auto-tune, and was sure they did- still nice to see your confirmation.
Once again, great job.
You are giving great content and getting back to just get to do things, and as singers and musicians we can and it is much more satisfying. When I say my students voice is slightly higher in the pitch that just on the note they look at me as a singer's concept, great you point it out as a thing (and yes it is absolutely important for many physiological things that get to artistry and expressive capacity). Again I will send this to some 😊☺!
My wife and I have been long time viewers of "The Voice". I've noticed over the years that during "rehearsals", some of the singers were all over the place with regards to their pitch. However, during the "live performance", they were spot on. So, either they got real good, real fast, or they were using something like AutoTune to enhance the vocals. It's Hollywood, what did you expect?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did use AT, but I’ve heard plenty of pitchiness in the performances.
@@TheDivayenta it's pitchy cause they did set the threshold for the autotune too high. As in it will just correct a specific range, so either the vocalist is extremely good and have an amazing range, or they are rlly rlly bad, with some range.
They tune some of the auditions, as well. Although very rarely quite as bad as it was done, here. It is The VOICE, after all. It is a bit more focused on vocals. It's like Fil says, they probably do it for those who are not good enough, but have that kind of story that the producers feel works great with the trajectory of a season.
Another great insight, Fil! I am finding that, having watched a few of your autotune videos, I can now start to hear it being used all over the place!
Very educational video as always Fil. As a long time singer/musician I have always tried to explain to people the realities concerning the amount of audio processing that the industry assigns towards producing live vocal performances when a lot is riding on a positive outcome such as TV ratings or concert ticket sales. You present these facts in an unflinching yet professional manner.
I’d love to hear your analysis of The Voice in the States. I feel like I get such an education about music and the music business when I watch your videos!
Fil, I just watched your audition on X Factor! That took cojones!! Loved it
As always an amazing Analysis Fil - your knowledge and insight is fab!
It is sad that auto tune is used - I wonder if it’s because we are living in ‘plastic world’ - where perfection is revered and authenticity is rare?
Thank you I learn so much from your work and I love your neutrality hand in hand with your honest appraisal
Now THAT'S a really good question!!!! I like what she was going for with that song vocal-wise. I always thought that song should have done better in the charts but it somehow stalled in the final recording/production. Yes, I caught what Simon did with his ear...not a true talent show, it really is a "performance" show, cousin to lip syncing/synching. Great info as usual Fil, I really enjoyed this!
That was an awesome analysis. I knew they were using autotunes but all the background you gave was fantastic. Thank you! And you have a good voice.
I have a feeling this video is going to blow up on RUclips and get a lot of views. I hope so ... you deserve it. I'm so glad I found this channel.
I would love to see a video about the process of isolating audio as complimentary video to this auto tune series. Whether it be vocal, drums, guitar, etc: just isolation in general.
Another very informative vid from Wings of Pegasus (Phil / Fil), clearly explaining what a lot of people perhaps did not believe (Cher!!! link there!!!😉).
It is good to hear those viewpoints (explained so well, as usual) along with clear evidence of what is going on with these "talent" shows.
Thanks for your videos and for your explanations. Greetings from Spain.
Great and pertinent comments on the issues with "talent" shows up till now. Hope your wishes are fulfilled regarding judges etc in the future, but I have my doubts.....
Maybe it's on your channel already, but would love to see your appearance and how it turned out!
That was a very interesting, I had wondered for quite awhile how much manipulation goes on in the talent shows especially Simon's, one of my favorite young singers was on the AGT Champions and signed a contract that she would appear and sing only. after she got the Golden Buzzer. 2 days after the program was on RUclips showing who were the finalists she was not included. Yes, she did get the rights to her version of the song that got her the Golden Buzzer and it was later that the video was back RUclips. But there was sure a lot of controversy about it disappearing for a while.
You have to be talking about Angelina Jordan, this all happened to her, and I don´t think it happened to anyone else.
I'm with you all the way, Fil! It's sad this has to be a "reality show" that's so heavily produced. It lacks the artistry and proper criticisms and true musicians deserve. The autotune effect adds insult to injury. Yes, helping someone along who has a rough or sad story seems noble, but it's patronizing and an insult to those who have worked hard to earn their skills. Not to mention, I'm an independent artist like you and wouldn't want to hand over control of my music and properties to them to dictate how I'll work and what I produce. If someone wants to consent to that and feels like it's a fair tradeoff to get fame and attention, perhaps it's okay. Greater transparency would be better...or a talent show more like what you or I would seek. ;)
This was an eye opener for me!
I would be interested in what you think of the Korean show, Immortal Songs 2, and if pitch correction is used.
Song Sohee is a frequent performer on the show. She is trained in a traditional Korean style of singing (gugak) and wonder if there have been attempts to alter her unique vocalizations. She performed a cover of Tearful Tuman (or Duman) River ; and in a different year a cover of BTS’s Spring Day.
I didn't know this, thanks. I remember this performance. You said you were on UK X Factor, I looked and I remember you too, the running around made me laugh, what guts lol. Now I understand why. I hate being deceived. And being nice is not a bad thing, it's a wonderful thing. Thanks Fil.
Fake voices, fake photos from filters or photoshop, fake bots, fake social media accounts. So sad. 😢
Good video mate. This resonated with me. I got through to an ITV singing show rehearsal earlier this year and they put me as a stand by all of a sudden after bringing in a new random guy. It was so shady. They're all so fake and underhanded
You can hear it with the naked ear on the Walking on Sunshine performance. It's that robot sound.
Wow...I hadn't heard any of this. I had just imagined that these were actual auditions...you know...with their real voices.
This makes me sad. I didn't know this ever happened. The judges, who should know the contestants are auto-tuned or not, are not being honest in their critique. I hope you weren't autotuned, Fil.
Interesting what you said about putting your fingers in your ears! I saw The Jacksons' Reunion Tour in BC Place Stadium in Vancouver and my ears actually *hurt* - until I put a bit of tissue in each ear - then I could actually hear the concert better! Never quite understood at the time how blocking my ears IMPROVED my hearing - now I know ;)
I am a very recent subscriber. I have learned in a short time that Fil is a gold mine of information.
Thanks for sharing Fil. Very interesting. I don’t watch talent shows either. I’ve seen American Idol. A couple of times.
Very interesting. I really want to see your audition now Fil.
The judges should be people like George Martin. Alan Parsons T Bone Burnette. Phil Spector ( Not within the last 40 years) David Geffin Glyn John’s. Jimmy Miller.
I don't watch them anymore, I just can't stand that they say someone is good while I'm cringing on their voice. Not to mention all the drama and sob stories, no thanks.
The voice of this girl jumps all over realy fast, so much that it sounds distorted.
However it's these shows that did gave us Adele and many other realy good ones.
Did you know that Adele ALWAYS says thank you after a song she performes live, I love that she's appreciative of people enjoying her singing.
Hi I really love this channel I particularly loved the show of the Queen concert as I am non sighted and the gentleman told us what the band was doing like having someone sighted describe it to me just wonderful!!!! Love it thank you very much
Thank you Fil for your work...You just confirmed what I thought about all those "Talent" shows.
Thank you so much for these auto-tune videos! This is an issue which needs this sort of open discussion. It's not about singing, it's about the process of making records (or in this case, a TV program). There's a Dutch TV show called "Beste Zangers" where established artists sing to one another in a TV studio setting. I couldn't believe how badly they applied auto-tune on Floor Jansen's vocals, it ruined the whole show for me to be honest. I believe the editing was made for the youtube videos released after it was aired on TV, but I could be wrong. Nevertheless, it is only a good thing to shed some light on the process of producing music. Thank you for that, Fil
Thanks Fil. That was quite the eye opener. I used to watch some of those shows in the past. The whole purpose I thought of a talent show was to hear the raw audition of a singer without any manipulation. I think that is very dishonest but I guess these shows are only interested in the Almighty dollar & are just becoming a popularity contest.
Great video Fil!
I put my fingers in both ears and you sound even better :-)
Great videos, keep up the excellent work.
Ha ha. I just went and found your X Factor audition. Brilliant!! Flinging the CD at Sharon was hilarious. Loving the guns too :) Update: I've just watched your second auction. I'm liking the shirtless look (and the guitar playing, of course)
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Where? I want to see this!
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From an old original Rock N Roll Boomer, THANK YOU! I've often wonderered what was missing from much of today's talent. Listening to your videos on the autotune has helped me tremendously. I remember listening to an interview of Elvis in the 70s discussing the progression of music technically over the 20 years since he bagan singing professonally in 1954.
The talent in those years was raw, unfiltered, and free of manipulation. Perhaps more artists of today could benefit by returning to those roots. Btw could you analyze Teddy Swims. He has an amazing and unique voice.
Spot on, Fil. Thanks for educating us about the (unfortunate) way things work in this greedy world.
Wowsa! That was painful to watch and hear. But I wasn’t surprised at your analysis. Thanks for keeping us all in the loop. I’m really glad I haven’t watched a lot of these shows. 😒
I'm loving these auto tune vids, but I was hoping you might be able to branch out and dig deeper.
I know my vocal limits, and I don't try to exceed them. I know I am nowhere near perfect but, in my head, my personal resonance chamber, I feel I'm pretty much on point and have had at least one, world renowned vocalists, give me affirmation. But when I hear my recorded voice, played back, it sounds nothing like me, to me.
That's an entire series of videos. Love you, dude. Keep being you!
Love to know if there's any videos that show how they auto tune. Never realised you can auto tune live. I always thought it was done after the recording. By the way you have a great voice.
Thanks!
Thank you for being so informative on this, I'd be interested to see the same on the "Got Talent" shows, they do seem more genuine.
Great video! Hope to see you do this with some less obviously auto tuned auditions!
What a mess. These producers are doing the singers no favors at all by altering their performances like this. The singers are not improving their technique or learning how to refine their voices when a computer program can just "fix" any mistakes they make. Once the X Factor contracts are up, these singers (unless they're like Geri) probably won't have much to fall back on, as far as being professional vocalists. So they've just spent how many years doing something which they may love, but don't excel at doing, without the help of some computer programs. I love to sing. I love music. But I KNOW what I sound like. I have an acceptable voice, and I can sing on key, etc., but I'm no professional singer, and I never will be. Auto-Tune helps these young performers live and perpetuate a lie, and it isn't fair to them.
I believe in the Beth Hart rule in singing contests. You can't just make it as a singer. You have to be able to write and or play instruments. If you are a singer and can't play an instrument, you'll need help and help costs money and forces you to work with somebody else's idea. That's why so many winners just fade away. They don't want to pay for the help before their career takes off.
Beth Hart was a winning contestant on Star Search in 1993. She sang her original song Am I The One. It's still being sung by TV singing contestants around the world. She also plays the acoustic guitar, the acoustic bass and the keyboards. She is the top female blues singer now and a multi genre singer as well.
First time I saw Star Search it was for the competition winner and I thought, that's a nice voice. Then I switched to Gladys Knight singing Midnight Train to Georgia and there is a huge difference between a good voice and a great singer.
I have great appreciation for your analysis as I am a bit of an artistic obsessive myself.
I agree with you, one should - in my opinion - NEVER EVER use auto tune or pitch correction! Never!
And let us be clear, here . . . it comes back down to the same thing that it has always been for millennia! MONEY!
Publishers, producers, and studio heads (bulging ungulates thread-straing Armani suits with cigars hanging from oleaginous lower lips) don’t want to spend the thousands of dollars in the studio costs doing extra takes getting it right when they can simply pay one guy at a computer screen to merely flip switches and push sliders.
Imagine if Michelangelo had merely tapped some keys to generate a mold to print out and set on the floor into which he could simply pour a slurry of cement to give us the Pia’ta!
It’s Orwellian when you think about it. In the novel 1984 it was “Big Brother” that wrote novels for the (worker insect) people, not literary artists.
Really interesting and useful observations