"if people decide not to use the QR codes they won't be missing out on much* That's exactly what they said about Disney plus marvel shows not being mandatory to understand the theatrical releases, but that ended up being completely the contrary, where you will only understand the movie if you watched all the previous shows
Well the Disney+ *aren't* relevant at least not for the movies, the people making the films don't even watch them All the shows are relevant for is understanding how BAD the MCU's has gotten and how little the stories actually connect
@@happynihilist2573 okay, so watch The Marvels, without having watched, Wanda vision, Ms. Marvel and secret invasions and don't feel like there's some missing context
The main issue with comics are the talent these people choose to hire. They hire people with little to no knowledge of the characters they're writing on top of being completely unable to disassociate themselves from the characters instead of speaking through them. I do personally think that DC had been on a bit of a steady uphill trajectory, though I feel like they've possibly already built up years of bad faith and lost too many customers.
I don't like QR codes specifically that one drink store decided that's the only payment method they would do. I can't even use my card or transfer using bank. I managed by registering another app for payment and for sure I didn't go to that store no more. I can take picture of qr and scan it in phone now but by god either its the back lights or poor plastic coverings that it won't scan for the life of me.
Smart phones and the internet may be prolific, but not everyone has them. Images you're a poor kid and you manage to save up enough to buy yourself a Spider-Man comic. All you want is to take your mind off your crummy living situation and have a few minutes of joy, and you get to the last page and instead of the end of the story you find a QR code.
You're misinformed literally everyone has a phone even the homeless if you get food stamps or Medicare you automatically get a free smartphone you're stuck in 2009
You're misinformed literally everyone has smartphones even the homeless If you have food stamps or Medicare you get a free smartphone You're stuck in 2009 sir
I was never interested in comics, but as a member of Gen Z i can speak on the pandering part. It feels like older generations and corporations view Gen Z like a different subspecies of humans that you have to appeal to in a special way to engage them. Which from my experience is completly not the case. Gen Z for the most part likes the same things as older generations and instead of 10 absurd internet culture references you simply need a good story. Whenever i see something adevrtised "for Gen Z" it feels out of touch and i feel perceived like a child that someone dangles a toy in front of to get their attention, which is quite insulting.
I'm a huge Marvel comics fan, but stopped caring about new releases around 2015 I believe they started changing the comics so they would feel more like the movies...And I hated it. Not to mention how they won't stop recycling older plotlines over and over. AND how some new stories/characters are unbeliavably stupid and amateurish, feeling more like fanfics than official Marvel content.
I hate how clearly the comics are meant to resemble the MCU it's like since it started there's no room for independent Marvel an example given is how Nick furry in recent projects is almost always resembling Sam Jackson same thing can be said for Ironman & RDJ I want comic accuracy back
Rule number one when it comes to political/social commentary in any kind of media: story comes first. Always. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby understood this, hence why their stories caught on and are beloved to this day. If what you write doesn't have a good story, it doesn't matter what messages you have in them, no one will read them.
DC and Marvel: Noooo you're supposed to be acting like us! Why can't you join us in our postmodern perversion of legacy characters? Skybound's Transformers/GI Joe/Void Rivals comics: haha Optimus Prime at his peak goes brrr
So the whole New Warriors #1 hasn't been leaked publicly (yet) but a youtuber did get access to it and scrolled through a few pages. It's as bad as we all expected. 😅 (you can find the video if you search with the terms "new warriors #1 review")
This is why I stick to volumes/graphic novels. Everything in one place, usually the classics that have stood the test of time, and most of the time they have behind-the-scenes bonus stuff (early drafts, interviews, sketches, etc).
I also feel that comics code is kind of part of the reason why the industry is so behind, by the time the code really loosened up, it was too late, in the 80’s over 80% of the industry market share had been eaten up by DC and Marvel.
0:53 Glad to know my preference to trade paperback isn’t going to be affected by this. It’s one thing to put QR codes in for a fun Easter egg, like what they did in Moon Knight. But taking out plot revenant scenes in comics makes no sense especially if you’re going to put the scene in trades anyway. Ether go digital or go paper. This just feels like halfsies. I also feel like comics has allot to learn from Manga in the east. As sails in that has been booming. Even webcomics have picked up popularity. They just need better storytelling and writing. And actually creat story’s and characters that can resonate with both older and younger audiences. Instead of trying to pander and try and identify with younger audiences and trends which makes them look dated. Aka, “What’s up fellow kids?”
That is exactly why got to understand the comics division of Marvle is frankly fucking broke they need start finding ways to generate revenue otherwise they will probably get the axe
When the lame nerds who enjoyed silver and golden age comics started trying to break into the industry with their edgy (or flat out boring) 'deconstructions' of characters because they wanted their hobby to be seen as more 'serious' It was already over
Comics will be fine as more and more new faces enter the industry. New heroes and stories that have no connection to the big two with real passion fueling them. The Marvel and dc era is over though. I exist in the comics creator space and one comic floppy can cost upwards of 10K+ to create prior to printing costs. This is probably why the big two are selling them for higher prices. Comics aren't pulling in hundreds of thousands of readers regularly and they need to recoup costs somehow. Industry veteran artists can charge around at minimum 300-500 per Page. This doesn't include writers, letterers, and colorist.
If im buying something that i want to keep. I expect all of it to be there. DC also has that werid inconsistencie with their tone that makes it hazardous to happily hand to kids. Like the old JLU cartoon had a tone. But the comic books they wrote for it was way darker and no in sync at all. Its really off putting cause the whiplash kinda feels like it spits innthe old show
That tonal inconsistency carried over into Young Justice. Season 1? Heck yeah, absolutely would show that to kids. Everything from Seasons 2-4? Heck no. It just devolves into increasingly edgy drivel. We really do need something like DC Nation for this day and age. Give us a couple of kid-friendly new shows and make that the gateway for new fans into the DC universe so that when they're older, they'll be hooked on what is to come.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho they treat Megan ripping open peoples minds like it was a meanie word in the office. Healed with a telling off and a 2m time out. As if JL heros would be ok with her clearly mincing brains. Hello writers room, Identity Crisis was a thing!. Does help either that the stuff that is strictly for kids with no wiggle room is written like a drooling idiot was in charge. Their teen books/comics cost me greymatter i swear!
I feel like a lot of the messages in later Marvel movies fall flat too due to poor execution. The God Butcher arc of Thor was really good until Nick Fury decides to lecture Thor that "Gorr was right and gods don't use their power to help people," as if Thor hasn't saved the universe at all or anything, but apparently that was enough for Thor to stop being worthy to lift Mjolnir.
@@mjtannertwins if you think that's weird, did you know someone decided to retcon Mjolnir's definition of worthiness from nobility and honor to bloodlust and desire to use the hammer as a weapon; implying Captain America had more bloodlust than Juggernaut or Dr. Doom?
I am so annoyed with most modern comics. I do like some indies and the titan comics run of conan the barbarian though, which is extremely respectful to the source material
Going from QR codes to Snowflake and Safe Space. That's quite the rant. I don't like the idea of QR codes for one reason. If at one point Marvel decided to stop the project, you run the chance being locked out of that panel or page. Like with games that have online gameplay going offline, Marvel could take the hidden content offline at any moment. This would mean that people should either download these pages if they want to keep their collection complete or buy the Trade Paper Back instead. This could lead to a fall in sales for single issues. One thing fans should do is keep an archive of these extra panels and pages so it will always be accessible, and that is actually the thing that Marvel says they're trying to avoid with this.
Personally I think Marvel needs a gigantic Cinematic reboot to the point that we only need 1 universe and not be slash into 3 between Fox / Disney / Sony even if certain characters are own by there company's perspectively that having Doctor Doom will remake the MCU into the PMCU ((Prime Marvel Cinematic Universe))
QR codes like this work when there are secrets. Which work for mysteries. Superhero comics it should be included. The qr code would be nice to see behind the scenes commentary on the comic. Yet this seems like a unnecessary way to increase traffic on the website.
I personally think they're using QR codes to save on printing. Why print fifteen pages of a comic 300 times to send to comic stores when you can print fourteen pages instead and have the last page accessible to the Internet where the QR codes lead to the same image? It may not look like they're saving much but in the long run every penny counts especially during inflation.
I hadn't considered that; though it will likely bite them later on, as collectors will likely see an 'incomplete' book with a code to a webpage that may expire or become unavailable as less valuable than books with all the pages in them.
Marvel might have just lost their entire comicbook collector buyer base with this QR code idea since no collector would ever bother getting a floppy that is incomplete and will forever be like that as 1) a QR code has an expiration date and 2) they decided the pages that shall be kept locked away include ones with important plot points and many characters' 1st appearance. It's a massive loss because Comicbook Collecters will buy a floppy regardless of its quality to keep their collection complete... Which it won't be anymore due to those missing pages in those From the Ashes relaunch books.
The last time comics were treated as collectibles it lead ted to the crash of the industry. Glad to see they are intent on repeating the mistakes of the past.
Then why don't us comic fans try to navigate, say, a manga fans wanting to try comics steer them towards places like image comics instead of DC or Marvel?
Any comparison to manga is flat, because of how they are distributed. Manga experience the boom right now that comics had before the 2 millennium a.k.a. 2000s. Additionally it is mostly a reader who is more accustomed to navigating in one or another environment to find a product for his interests. Manga fans are more vocal on the web than traditional comic fans.
It would’ve have been awesome if They kept the identity of Doctor Dooms actor a secret and when the movie comes out and it’s revealed that Doom is actually Robert Downey Jr/evil Tony Stark from an alternate dimension, it would’ve been a massive plot twist that fans & audiences would talk about for years…
Honestly the whole NEW New Warriors felt like that one Key & Peele Stan Lee sketch expect replace Stan w/ writers who've been clearly out of touch w/ current media/culture for a long time. I bet they don't even know how to draw feet given how creative the powers were
The QR codes especially seems to be a slap in thr face to speculators who like buying issues for their first appearances, which are some of the driving forces in comic collecting. The QR codes makes things difficult by how they determine first official appearnce via tue code of first printed one. It also reconfirms some preferring to just wait for the trade. What's sad is DC tried to do the more accessible comic route via thise $5 100 page Giants that were Wal Mart exclusives but even before covid they were practically hidden at our local Walmart.
Its crazy to me that comics can still sell to this day, something like indie comics or great example, Invincible, definitely has fans buying comics to read and compare the show to the comics. Its just that Marvel make further mistakes
I used to buy comics a lot before covid. Now haven’t bought any since. It was a social gathering for me, talk about the book and theorize where the story would go. Now that my little social gathering was ended due to covid my hobbies had to shift and the unfortunately for comics I haven’t returned nothing is really worth reading and there is so much content I’m behind on I’d rather just drop it
I have never picked up a comic in my life, but I see that they currently have the same problem as other forms of media: Literally just bad writers. A lot of media nowadays is written by people who have no idea how to write a compelling story or have well thought out, rounded characters. It's a bad sign if the characters shows up and starts explaining everything about themselves (and the stuff they explain isn't anything useful or of interest). It reminds me of how children who are just getting into writing start listing likes and dislikes for their character and list things like "likes: tacos, jumping jacks, good people. Dislikes bad people, pain, spiders".
Brevoort says people choosing not to use the codes won't miss out on much. His comment devalues the extra content and raises the question "Why bother using them if they aren't adding anything?".
Americans really only have action superhero comics, do they? I'm glad I live here in Europe where we cover other genres, like comedy, western, adventure, fantasy, slice of life, mystery, magical girl, and many more.
We have them but they don't get as much attention. There's only one real comic distributor here and they only push hero comics. Anything that isn't from a well known publisher has to get their approval and if they don't the creators of their book will have to fight to get it to stores. The industry is difficult to get into if you don't have a Marvel, DC, or Image backing you. So you don't see new faces often in shops or comic stores.
Americans can enjoy other genres when they read manga and manhwa (Korean comics), because American comic book WRITERS keep EPIC FAILing at genres other than superhero comics. Those who were successful in other genres, retired DECADES ago.
From what I'm seeing on the sidelines when it comes to comics, there seems to be a weird conflict between making new heroes and churning out the regular cash cow superheroes. This, I feel, leads to a staggering lack of creativity where new and potentially unique heroes must eventually don the cowl and villains of the heroes who came before, as a way to both appeal to new blood and pander to the old audience. A potential solution to this might just be to have a separation between old and new heroes, creating a sandbox of sorts for new creatives to stretch their wings and find their niche, rather than taking old heroes and putting them into ill-fitting stories. It would also be good to toy with stories for all ages, as mentioned in the video. Sometimes people want a brutal battle between good and evil, and sometimes people want a story that's lighter and leans more toward villain of the week stories. Overall, adaptability and flexibility needs to be the name of comics if its going to survive as its own medium.
That comes from the fact that new heroes are risky whereas Superman and Batman are guaranteed to recoup costs and make a profit. I exists in the comics creative space and One single issue comic costs THOUSANDS to make and there's already a limited audience. A single comic page for just a well established artist can costs 500 dollars. Comic artists typically don't do their own colors so then hiring someone for colors can add an extra few hundred dollars. The you have to pay the writer, editor, letterer.etc etc prior to printing costs which will add thousands. It's not that DC/Marvel don't want to push new heroes but comics are expensive to make with a limited audience. It's just very risky
That's a fair point, which is why my proposed solution from the outside looking in (I have never worked comics in my life) is to have the old heroes as the tried and true formula while the new heroes can be a little more experimental. However, this also assumes older hero comics are selling well which, from what I've seen from isolated examples, can be a bit hit or miss. The Zeb Wells Spider-Man run, for example, made the rounds on Twitter for a long time due to what it did to Spidey, and it seemed to be widely disliked due to what it did to the character, despite the goodwill the name of Spider-Man has. At least from where I'm standing, old heroes can be just as unpredictable when it comes to selling potential, though I would wager that's more down to the writers handling the characters rather than the characters themselves. Due to that, I feel new heroes should still be a risk worth taking, if only to revive and cultivate the creative spark of these companies.
Today the main point of a comic is thst it physical. Webcomics are also cool, but they are different. Consequently fans of comics read them today, because they have a physical copy of it, not digital on. They like it, because they don't need to go online to watch their comics or they don't like to watch on a screen.
I was a regular reader of The New Warriors since its first issue. I was not excited for the 2020 characters. However, I intended to read the first few issues just to learn what "experimental internet gas" meant. The Internet doesn't have a physical form. There's science fantasy, and then there's science what the heck, dude? 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
Does anybody remember when Shonen Jump first came out here in the United States from Zis? that sucker was five bucks, but man did you get your money's worth from it, was a large manga/ anthology comic book
If comics want a revival then they need to get rid of all the people using it for politics, they should be cheap fun that you can pass on to a friend. And the main trouble with getting into new comics is all of the events, it makes it so you can't really just jump into a random comic and have fun, instead you have to buy 20 different character's books to follow along 1 guy.
Marvel has a bad habit of completely changing the characters in the comics when movies come out, so when fans of the novie come looking for the comic, the character they liktis a completely different person. Even now, they're killing Deadpool and replacing him with his daughter. Same with blade. Captain America, they replaced him with the falcon. Thor, thry replaced with Jane Foster. Hawkeye, they replaced with Kate Bishop. Wolverine, they replaced with X-23. You can find multitudes of these swaps. The even more annoying thing is, some of these replacement characters already had an identity and personality independent of this, but they shoehorned them into these roles.
Marvel is really just angry that they still have to make comics if the big wigs had their way you would just consume all the movie and shows and never question.
I’ve been a comic fan since I was very young. I remember when it was more of a niche hobby that only nerds / geeks only liked but now since it seems like it’s gone more mainstream that it feels like people don’t understand how superheroes work nowadays it’s just really annoying that things can’t go back to the way things were instead of people adding to much modern politics and stuff. When I was growing up comics were one of my favorite things to have an escapism from reality. Now it’s seems like everything has to be in your face and political. In superhero comics it feels like there aren’t really fighting crime or super villains to thwart. It also seems everyone is becoming an Anti-Hero. It’s one of the main reasons when it comes to comics I mostly read Golden Age, Silver Age, Some Bronze Age and very rarely Modern Age.
People don't care about movie stars. After Endgame RDJ was in Dolittle which flopped. He's probably thinking at Marvel there is at least some guarantee of recognition
Man, I completely forgot about that children of the atom run and the "nu warriors" ("You and america buddy") at least the former name will be more remembered for the great fighting game by capcom (rightfully so especially with the upcoming marvel collection, so glad that's being made) Honestly, yeah, hero comics could do better, mainly get better writers and editors for the most part. Feels like anything that isn't the big two seem to do better at least, prime example (pun not intended) would the the recent sky bound transformers run. Great story there, the characterization is also good, art is also fitting. Also heard the gi joe stuff and void rivals are pretty good as well. But yeah, marvel and dc need to fix their stuff. Can't keep afloat with their animated/cinematic mediums forever
In racks before checkout at the grocery store is exactly where comics need to be if the industry is going to survive. I see comics going fully mail-order & digital in my lifetime and we'll have a "last comics store" akin to the last Blockbuster Video.
So I just saw a leak of the new snow white movie. (On youtube) Just a bit of a clip and I thought I have to tell you. Spoilers in case you need to find out for yourself. So the one thing I liked about snow white is that. When she ran from her evil stepmother she went into what she thought was an abandoned cottage. Where she meets the dwarves, in which as compensation for her staying with the dwarves. She offers to clean the house while they are at the mine. Now you'll hear it later I'm sure because it might buzz around a bit. Because it was on youtube. Yet now in the live action she's making the dwarves clean their own house. So she broke into their home, instead of offering compensation she's having them clean up the place for her. Before they go off to work in the mines.
It's like this with video games too, these days even if you buy physical discs you still have to download the whole game plus updates as the discs only have the game key on them and not any of the files.
That Screentime character only wanted to join the New Warriors because he thought they were the team most likely to 'go viral'. So he's just after clout then? Great morals for a superhero to have....
while I agree that marvel and dc aren't doing well, indie comics are doing really good in my opinion. Dc has had some hits on webtoon, and short series not connected by canon
Manga does this better. Japan have their audiences and demographics. Also the books are numbered so someone knows the order in which to follow. That's how I got into them. No seperate series to buy to figure out what happens in another comic.
Besides getting 2000AD comics and graphic novels, I stopped buying comics in general back in late 2018, so as far as I'm concerned, comics are dead to me.... modern comics anyway! I'll still buy retro's!
Comics have been trash for over a decade now- I remember watching hours of content from various people who were either in the industry or massive fans of it just ripping apart nearly every comic that came out from DC/Marvel for years before losing interest in even that
I have to respectfully disagree. Sure the majority of modern comics are rotten but there are a few gems if you look. I've really been enjoying Spider-Boy for example.
For me the issue is the superhero gerne being the only genre that's discussed. I still do read some stuff from marvel and i really enjoy Hulk and Ultimate Black Panther. For me i think the horror genre is at its strongest its been in a good while. And Conan The Barbarian/ Savage Sword of Conan are the best comic coming out rn. For me i just wish that the independent comic scene got more attention as there are lot of fun and great books comic out there in my opinion.
Why are people even reading Marvel and DC anymore? Seriously I want an answer Also I’m still mad about not getting New Warriors Snowflake and Safe Space.
Was hoping to hear more on the rdj thing, curious what you think about it overall. K agree it seems like nostalgia bait and desperate, but he does seem like a good actor for doom. Could be cool if done right but I'm hesitant for sure...
I dont read comics a lot but i do have some old marvel comics and seeing this in comics makes me wanna punch a wall also as a gen z this is insulting just make a good story damn it
I would love comics to be cheaper because right now I can only really afford one comic per month which makes me really sad when I’m in the comic store and I see a really cool looking comic but I can’t buy it because I’m reading the flash run I live in the uk and almost everywhere I look the comics are £4-5 which is ridiculous when I could buy some actual books for that price. It’s not to bad it’s my choice to keep buying them but this was just a little rant about how much it pains my wallet when I’m checking out my newest flash issue.
"if people decide not to use the QR codes they won't be missing out on much*
That's exactly what they said about Disney plus marvel shows not being mandatory to understand the theatrical releases, but that ended up being completely the contrary, where you will only understand the movie if you watched all the previous shows
Well the Disney+ *aren't* relevant at least not for the movies, the people making the films don't even watch them
All the shows are relevant for is understanding how BAD the MCU's has gotten and how little the stories actually connect
@@happynihilist2573 okay, so watch The Marvels, without having watched, Wanda vision, Ms. Marvel and secret invasions and don't feel like there's some missing context
Hey @MJTanner, you should do a video on how Disney’s creative bankruptcy is harming its own original anime.
The main issue with comics are the talent these people choose to hire. They hire people with little to no knowledge of the characters they're writing on top of being completely unable to disassociate themselves from the characters instead of speaking through them. I do personally think that DC had been on a bit of a steady uphill trajectory, though I feel like they've possibly already built up years of bad faith and lost too many customers.
SKIP WOKE ACTIVISTS AND JOURNALISTS,
I hate QR codes. I hate them for menus and I certainly don’t want them for comics.
Why?
Wait, in America they put QR codes on eatery menus?
Same. My phone can't scan QR codes, and I shouldn't have to download another app or get a new phone just to do simple things.
EXCELLENT WORK. MJTANNER COMICS PROBLEMATIC ISSUES WOKE AGENDAS
I don't like QR codes specifically that one drink store decided that's the only payment method they would do. I can't even use my card or transfer using bank. I managed by registering another app for payment and for sure I didn't go to that store no more. I can take picture of qr and scan it in phone now but by god either its the back lights or poor plastic coverings that it won't scan for the life of me.
Smart phones and the internet may be prolific, but not everyone has them.
Images you're a poor kid and you manage to save up enough to buy yourself a Spider-Man comic. All you want is to take your mind off your crummy living situation and have a few minutes of joy, and you get to the last page and instead of the end of the story you find a QR code.
You're misinformed literally everyone has a phone even the homeless if you get food stamps or Medicare you automatically get a free smartphone you're stuck in 2009
You're misinformed literally everyone has smartphones even the homeless If you have food stamps or Medicare you get a free smartphone You're stuck in 2009 sir
@@ashleybanks-wm4cg Privileged much?
@@ashleybanks-wm4cg Some kids may have to beg their parents to use their phone, it would be inconvenient for them too.
@@Tail_sez what kids
This whole QR code thing for marvel comics just seems like a bad idea in my opinion.
I was never interested in comics, but as a member of Gen Z i can speak on the pandering part. It feels like older generations and corporations view Gen Z like a different subspecies of humans that you have to appeal to in a special way to engage them. Which from my experience is completly not the case. Gen Z for the most part likes the same things as older generations and instead of 10 absurd internet culture references you simply need a good story. Whenever i see something adevrtised "for Gen Z" it feels out of touch and i feel perceived like a child that someone dangles a toy in front of to get their attention, which is quite insulting.
@@m4ni0u Have you tried DC?
I'm a huge Marvel comics fan, but stopped caring about new releases around 2015
I believe they started changing the comics so they would feel more like the movies...And I hated it.
Not to mention how they won't stop recycling older plotlines over and over. AND how some new stories/characters are unbeliavably stupid and amateurish, feeling more like fanfics than official Marvel content.
I hate how clearly the comics are meant to resemble the MCU it's like since it started there's no room for independent Marvel an example given is how Nick furry in recent projects is almost always resembling Sam Jackson same thing can be said for Ironman & RDJ I want comic accuracy back
Rule number one when it comes to political/social commentary in any kind of media: story comes first. Always. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby understood this, hence why their stories caught on and are beloved to this day. If what you write doesn't have a good story, it doesn't matter what messages you have in them, no one will read them.
Marvel staff have been huffing too much internet gas.
DC and Marvel: Noooo you're supposed to be acting like us! Why can't you join us in our postmodern perversion of legacy characters?
Skybound's Transformers/GI Joe/Void Rivals comics: haha Optimus Prime at his peak goes brrr
Saturday Morning Cartoons TMNT and Dungeons and Dragons from IDW is good too if you like the shows from the 80’s.
DC isn’t having that trouble
Glad someone mentioned sky bound. Great stuff there, here's hoping they live a successful run in the future
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So the whole New Warriors #1 hasn't been leaked publicly (yet) but a youtuber did get access to it and scrolled through a few pages. It's as bad as we all expected. 😅 (you can find the video if you search with the terms "new warriors #1 review")
This is why I stick to volumes/graphic novels. Everything in one place, usually the classics that have stood the test of time, and most of the time they have behind-the-scenes bonus stuff (early drafts, interviews, sketches, etc).
"Internet gas" sounds like the anonymous hacker known as 4chan bombed one too many dodongos.
You know there’s an issue when I can buy OLD comics at a con for HALF the price of the comics currently releasing
I also feel that comics code is kind of part of the reason why the industry is so behind, by the time the code really loosened up, it was too late, in the 80’s over 80% of the industry market share had been eaten up by DC and Marvel.
Oh great. Marvel is not adding DLC to their comics. That won't backfire at all.
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Glad to know my preference to trade paperback isn’t going to be affected by this.
It’s one thing to put QR codes in for a fun Easter egg, like what they did in Moon Knight. But taking out plot revenant scenes in comics makes no sense especially if you’re going to put the scene in trades anyway.
Ether go digital or go paper. This just feels like halfsies.
I also feel like comics has allot to learn from Manga in the east. As sails in that has been booming. Even webcomics have picked up popularity. They just need better storytelling and writing. And actually creat story’s and characters that can resonate with both older and younger audiences. Instead of trying to pander and try and identify with younger audiences and trends which makes them look dated. Aka, “What’s up fellow kids?”
Seems like the only reason to include QR codes is to drive visits on their website so they can sell ad space.
Excellent point.
That is exactly why got to understand the comics division of Marvle is frankly fucking broke they need start finding ways to generate revenue otherwise they will probably get the axe
When the lame nerds who enjoyed silver and golden age comics started trying to break into the industry with their edgy (or flat out boring) 'deconstructions' of characters because they wanted their hobby to be seen as more 'serious'
It was already over
Look at any comics writers room now and nearly everyone is a god damn nerd or inner city prick
Comics will be fine as more and more new faces enter the industry. New heroes and stories that have no connection to the big two with real passion fueling them. The Marvel and dc era is over though.
I exist in the comics creator space and one comic floppy can cost upwards of 10K+ to create prior to printing costs. This is probably why the big two are selling them for higher prices.
Comics aren't pulling in hundreds of thousands of readers regularly and they need to recoup costs somehow.
Industry veteran artists can charge around at minimum 300-500 per Page. This doesn't include writers, letterers, and colorist.
QR codes with extra scenes in comics??!, my goodness, this industry deserves to end.
If im buying something that i want to keep. I expect all of it to be there.
DC also has that werid inconsistencie with their tone that makes it hazardous to happily hand to kids. Like the old JLU cartoon had a tone. But the comic books they wrote for it was way darker and no in sync at all. Its really off putting cause the whiplash kinda feels like it spits innthe old show
That tonal inconsistency carried over into Young Justice. Season 1? Heck yeah, absolutely would show that to kids. Everything from Seasons 2-4? Heck no. It just devolves into increasingly edgy drivel.
We really do need something like DC Nation for this day and age. Give us a couple of kid-friendly new shows and make that the gateway for new fans into the DC universe so that when they're older, they'll be hooked on what is to come.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho they treat Megan ripping open peoples minds like it was a meanie word in the office. Healed with a telling off and a 2m time out. As if JL heros would be ok with her clearly mincing brains. Hello writers room, Identity Crisis was a thing!.
Does help either that the stuff that is strictly for kids with no wiggle room is written like a drooling idiot was in charge. Their teen books/comics cost me greymatter i swear!
@@jim-bob3093 Just started years ago. Love Absolute Power run
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho Season 2?
@@Void_Out Destroyed everything for the sake of manufactured melodrama
Not the real life dlc
I feel like a lot of the messages in later Marvel movies fall flat too due to poor execution. The God Butcher arc of Thor was really good until Nick Fury decides to lecture Thor that "Gorr was right and gods don't use their power to help people," as if Thor hasn't saved the universe at all or anything, but apparently that was enough for Thor to stop being worthy to lift Mjolnir.
Good point. That was weird. Thor didn't deserve that.
@@mjtannertwins if you think that's weird, did you know someone decided to retcon Mjolnir's definition of worthiness from nobility and honor to bloodlust and desire to use the hammer as a weapon; implying Captain America had more bloodlust than Juggernaut or Dr. Doom?
@@stevensteviepryde5888 The Retcons we've been getting these past years have been terrible.
I am so annoyed with most modern comics. I do like some indies and the titan comics run of conan the barbarian though, which is extremely respectful to the source material
Need a puff of that Internet Pack
Going from QR codes to Snowflake and Safe Space. That's quite the rant.
I don't like the idea of QR codes for one reason. If at one point Marvel decided to stop the project, you run the chance being locked out of that panel or page. Like with games that have online gameplay going offline, Marvel could take the hidden content offline at any moment. This would mean that people should either download these pages if they want to keep their collection complete or buy the Trade Paper Back instead. This could lead to a fall in sales for single issues. One thing fans should do is keep an archive of these extra panels and pages so it will always be accessible, and that is actually the thing that Marvel says they're trying to avoid with this.
Personally I think Marvel needs a gigantic Cinematic reboot to the point that we only need 1 universe and not be slash into 3 between Fox / Disney / Sony even if certain characters are own by there company's perspectively that having Doctor Doom will remake the MCU into the PMCU ((Prime Marvel Cinematic Universe))
QR codes like this work when there are secrets. Which work for mysteries. Superhero comics it should be included. The qr code would be nice to see behind the scenes commentary on the comic. Yet this seems like a unnecessary way to increase traffic on the website.
I personally think they're using QR codes to save on printing. Why print fifteen pages of a comic 300 times to send to comic stores when you can print fourteen pages instead and have the last page accessible to the Internet where the QR codes lead to the same image? It may not look like they're saving much but in the long run every penny counts especially during inflation.
I hadn't considered that; though it will likely bite them later on, as collectors will likely see an 'incomplete' book with a code to a webpage that may expire or become unavailable as less valuable than books with all the pages in them.
@Tail_sez Believe me I don't think this move was for the best interest of the consumers.
Marvel might have just lost their entire comicbook collector buyer base with this QR code idea since no collector would ever bother getting a floppy that is incomplete and will forever be like that as 1) a QR code has an expiration date and 2) they decided the pages that shall be kept locked away include ones with important plot points and many characters' 1st appearance.
It's a massive loss because Comicbook Collecters will buy a floppy regardless of its quality to keep their collection complete... Which it won't be anymore due to those missing pages in those From the Ashes relaunch books.
The last time comics were treated as collectibles it lead ted to the crash of the industry. Glad to see they are intent on repeating the mistakes of the past.
Part of the reason Manga is eating their lunch money is because they have a wider range of stories to tell than just "super hero"
Plus it doesn't pander/spite, the stories have consistent plotlines with no retcons, & they're not c*cking their mcs
Then why don't us comic fans try to navigate, say, a manga fans wanting to try comics steer them towards places like image comics instead of DC or Marvel?
Any comparison to manga is flat, because of how they are distributed. Manga experience the boom right now that comics had before the 2 millennium a.k.a. 2000s. Additionally it is mostly a reader who is more accustomed to navigating in one or another environment to find a product for his interests. Manga fans are more vocal on the web than traditional comic fans.
It would’ve have been awesome if They kept the identity of Doctor Dooms actor a secret and when the movie comes out and it’s revealed that Doom is actually Robert Downey Jr/evil Tony Stark from an alternate dimension, it would’ve been a massive plot twist that fans & audiences would talk about for years…
They want Captain America 4 and Agatha to not flop, so getting the positive buzz now
Honestly the whole NEW New Warriors felt like that one Key & Peele Stan Lee sketch expect replace Stan w/ writers who've been clearly out of touch w/ current media/culture for a long time. I bet they don't even know how to draw feet given how creative the powers were
The QR codes especially seems to be a slap in thr face to speculators who like buying issues for their first appearances, which are some of the driving forces in comic collecting. The QR codes makes things difficult by how they determine first official appearnce via tue code of first printed one. It also reconfirms some preferring to just wait for the trade.
What's sad is DC tried to do the more accessible comic route via thise $5 100 page Giants that were Wal Mart exclusives but even before covid they were practically hidden at our local Walmart.
X-men is something that is ment to be important to the FOREVER, not the now...that's why it's a TIMELESS CLASSIC, like all good stories.
Its crazy to me that comics can still sell to this day, something like indie comics or great example, Invincible, definitely has fans buying comics to read and compare the show to the comics. Its just that Marvel make further mistakes
I used to buy comics a lot before covid. Now haven’t bought any since. It was a social gathering for me, talk about the book and theorize where the story would go. Now that my little social gathering was ended due to covid my hobbies had to shift and the unfortunately for comics I haven’t returned nothing is really worth reading and there is so much content I’m behind on I’d rather just drop it
If the QR code took you to full length digital exclusive comic that you needed Marvel Unlimited to read, I could understand.
But a single page?
Yeah, just seems like needless inconvenience for the sake of making comics seem more 'up do date' to me.
I dont understand why they would do this at all. It just doesnt make sense.
I think we should all stick indie or manga. At least some of the writers of those medium are actually trying to entertain their readers
I’m sticking to DC
Oh yeah, definitely feels like that at times.
@@BioMega96 Times hasn’t change anything. DC is all good in shape
@@MatthewMoreau , aside from the animated side of things, name an example of them still doing good (legit curious there)
@@BioMega96 Absolute Power, Task Force VII, and Super Pets Special: Bitedentity Crisis
This is why I have been into manga for as long as I can remember
It is easy to start and usually cheap too
lmao
I forgot about "the Internet Gas"
Oh god dammit, oh that's a good giggle at how absolutely out of touch these hacks are.
Internet gas honestly sounds like a prank that someone impersonating tech support would say to an old person on the line
Sounds like a Rick and Morty joke.
I have never picked up a comic in my life, but I see that they currently have the same problem as other forms of media: Literally just bad writers. A lot of media nowadays is written by people who have no idea how to write a compelling story or have well thought out, rounded characters.
It's a bad sign if the characters shows up and starts explaining everything about themselves (and the stuff they explain isn't anything useful or of interest). It reminds me of how children who are just getting into writing start listing likes and dislikes for their character and list things like "likes: tacos, jumping jacks, good people. Dislikes bad people, pain, spiders".
Brevoort says people choosing not to use the codes won't miss out on much. His comment devalues the extra content and raises the question "Why bother using them if they aren't adding anything?".
Americans really only have action superhero comics, do they? I'm glad I live here in Europe where we cover other genres, like comedy, western, adventure, fantasy, slice of life, mystery, magical girl, and many more.
I mainly just read DC Comics, but they have all those genres, too.
We have them but they don't get as much attention. There's only one real comic distributor here and they only push hero comics.
Anything that isn't from a well known publisher has to get their approval and if they don't the creators of their book will have to fight to get it to stores.
The industry is difficult to get into if you don't have a Marvel, DC, or Image backing you.
So you don't see new faces often in shops or comic stores.
European magical girl comics? 😮
@@Invidente7 It is called "W.I.T.C.H."
Americans can enjoy other genres when they read manga and manhwa (Korean comics), because American comic book WRITERS keep EPIC FAILing at genres other than superhero comics. Those who were successful in other genres, retired DECADES ago.
This is also the reason why i still collect back issues (70s-2010s comics)
When you only think about money, you end up burning the integrity along with it.
From what I'm seeing on the sidelines when it comes to comics, there seems to be a weird conflict between making new heroes and churning out the regular cash cow superheroes. This, I feel, leads to a staggering lack of creativity where new and potentially unique heroes must eventually don the cowl and villains of the heroes who came before, as a way to both appeal to new blood and pander to the old audience. A potential solution to this might just be to have a separation between old and new heroes, creating a sandbox of sorts for new creatives to stretch their wings and find their niche, rather than taking old heroes and putting them into ill-fitting stories. It would also be good to toy with stories for all ages, as mentioned in the video. Sometimes people want a brutal battle between good and evil, and sometimes people want a story that's lighter and leans more toward villain of the week stories. Overall, adaptability and flexibility needs to be the name of comics if its going to survive as its own medium.
That comes from the fact that new heroes are risky whereas Superman and Batman are guaranteed to recoup costs and make a profit.
I exists in the comics creative space and One single issue comic costs THOUSANDS to make and there's already a limited audience.
A single comic page for just a well established artist can costs 500 dollars. Comic artists typically don't do their own colors so then hiring someone for colors can add an extra few hundred dollars.
The you have to pay the writer, editor, letterer.etc etc prior to printing costs which will add thousands.
It's not that DC/Marvel don't want to push new heroes but comics are expensive to make with a limited audience. It's just very risky
That's a fair point, which is why my proposed solution from the outside looking in (I have never worked comics in my life) is to have the old heroes as the tried and true formula while the new heroes can be a little more experimental. However, this also assumes older hero comics are selling well which, from what I've seen from isolated examples, can be a bit hit or miss. The Zeb Wells Spider-Man run, for example, made the rounds on Twitter for a long time due to what it did to Spidey, and it seemed to be widely disliked due to what it did to the character, despite the goodwill the name of Spider-Man has.
At least from where I'm standing, old heroes can be just as unpredictable when it comes to selling potential, though I would wager that's more down to the writers handling the characters rather than the characters themselves. Due to that, I feel new heroes should still be a risk worth taking, if only to revive and cultivate the creative spark of these companies.
Today the main point of a comic is thst it physical. Webcomics are also cool, but they are different. Consequently fans of comics read them today, because they have a physical copy of it, not digital on. They like it, because they don't need to go online to watch their comics or they don't like to watch on a screen.
I was a regular reader of The New Warriors since its first issue.
I was not excited for the 2020 characters.
However, I intended to read the first few issues just to learn what "experimental internet gas" meant.
The Internet doesn't have a physical form. There's science fantasy, and then there's science what the heck, dude?
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Time for a second round of backlash and mediocrity for the new warriors.
Does anybody remember when Shonen Jump first came out here in the United States from Zis? that sucker was five bucks, but man did you get your money's worth from it, was a large manga/ anthology comic book
To get a idea of how bad things are: there's a volume of x-23 where she tries to claim that the villain has a thing for piss 🤢
Comics died in the 90's and at this point, they are just a corpse being paraded around.
If comics want a revival then they need to get rid of all the people using it for politics, they should be cheap fun that you can pass on to a friend. And the main trouble with getting into new comics is all of the events, it makes it so you can't really just jump into a random comic and have fun, instead you have to buy 20 different character's books to follow along 1 guy.
DC been doing good
@@MatthewMoreau They still run an event every year, which means to follow your favorite character, you have to buy a dozen different comics.
@@cts1234567 I only have enough money to buy 3
Marvel has a bad habit of completely changing the characters in the comics when movies come out, so when fans of the novie come looking for the comic, the character they liktis a completely different person. Even now, they're killing Deadpool and replacing him with his daughter. Same with blade. Captain America, they replaced him with the falcon. Thor, thry replaced with Jane Foster. Hawkeye, they replaced with Kate Bishop. Wolverine, they replaced with X-23. You can find multitudes of these swaps. The even more annoying thing is, some of these replacement characters already had an identity and personality independent of this, but they shoehorned them into these roles.
Marvel is really just angry that they still have to make comics if the big wigs had their way you would just consume all the movie and shows and never question.
I like to create a family-friendly mangas myself as a aspiring long-runner. I 'll of a concept that will appeal to families myself.
Not the New Warriors in the thumbnail, a comic that didn't even come out. And to be fair the QR codes are Marvel only.
Meanwhile: Actually good fan comics are becoming popular and mangas are selling like hotcakes.
Ok so i can see the qr code as like just some mcu like the deadpool and Wolverine but using the qr codes to hide plot point feel dumb
I forgot about the fucking internet gas plot point. I think they would have better luck getting chatgpt to write their stories.
I’ve been working on some comic heroes myself. And trust me, they’re better than these modern ones who love memes.
Let's face it. Adults dont know how to write teens.
I’ve been a comic fan since I was very young. I remember when it was more of a niche hobby that only nerds / geeks only liked but now since it seems like it’s gone more mainstream that it feels like people don’t understand how superheroes work nowadays it’s just really annoying that things can’t go back to the way things were instead of people adding to much modern politics and stuff. When I was growing up comics were one of my favorite things to have an escapism from reality. Now it’s seems like everything has to be in your face and political. In superhero comics it feels like there aren’t really fighting crime or super villains to thwart. It also seems everyone is becoming an Anti-Hero. It’s one of the main reasons when it comes to comics I mostly read Golden Age, Silver Age, Some Bronze Age and very rarely Modern Age.
You didn’t add DC
Screentime is just a worse version of Freakazoid, genuinely.
RDJ wins an Oscar and he could have done almost anything, but he goes back to Marvel.
To be fair, they offered him 90+ millions dollars plus private jets and everything else.
People don't care about movie stars. After Endgame RDJ was in Dolittle which flopped. He's probably thinking at Marvel there is at least some guarantee of recognition
Man, I completely forgot about that children of the atom run and the "nu warriors" ("You and america buddy") at least the former name will be more remembered for the great fighting game by capcom (rightfully so especially with the upcoming marvel collection, so glad that's being made)
Honestly, yeah, hero comics could do better, mainly get better writers and editors for the most part. Feels like anything that isn't the big two seem to do better at least, prime example (pun not intended) would the the recent sky bound transformers run. Great story there, the characterization is also good, art is also fitting. Also heard the gi joe stuff and void rivals are pretty good as well.
But yeah, marvel and dc need to fix their stuff. Can't keep afloat with their animated/cinematic mediums forever
In racks before checkout at the grocery store is exactly where comics need to be if the industry is going to survive.
I see comics going fully mail-order & digital in my lifetime and we'll have a "last comics store" akin to the last Blockbuster Video.
What the industry needs is an end of woke politics. Stop preaching evil.
@@Atheismo9760 LOL
It says something when the transformers comics are doing better than marvel.
Wait the new new warriors comic was leak?! And just a few people are talking about?!
I got excited for a sec, I really new warriors to come out, would’ve provided years of entertainment lol
So I just saw a leak of the new snow white movie. (On youtube) Just a bit of a clip and I thought I have to tell you.
Spoilers in case you need to find out for yourself.
So the one thing I liked about snow white is that. When she ran from her evil stepmother she went into what she thought was an abandoned cottage. Where she meets the dwarves, in which as compensation for her staying with the dwarves. She offers to clean the house while they are at the mine. Now you'll hear it later I'm sure because it might buzz around a bit. Because it was on youtube. Yet now in the live action she's making the dwarves clean their own house. So she broke into their home, instead of offering compensation she's having them clean up the place for her. Before they go off to work in the mines.
Next thinhg you know the entire book is just a qr code
Insanity. 😵💫
DC hasn’t have that
It's like this with video games too, these days even if you buy physical discs you still have to download the whole game plus updates as the discs only have the game key on them and not any of the files.
That Screentime character only wanted to join the New Warriors because he thought they were the team most likely to 'go viral'. So he's just after clout then? Great morals for a superhero to have....
The new warriors never even released
This is why I stick to Dark Horse and Image.
they are trying to max out their profit at our expense.
What profit?
@@Atheismo9760 fair point probably why they are in trouble
while I agree that marvel and dc aren't doing well, indie comics are doing really good in my opinion. Dc has had some hits on webtoon, and short series not connected by canon
Manga does this better. Japan have their audiences and demographics. Also the books are numbered so someone knows the order in which to follow. That's how I got into them. No seperate series to buy to figure out what happens in another comic.
Besides getting 2000AD comics and graphic novels, I stopped buying comics in general back in late 2018, so as far as I'm concerned, comics are dead to me.... modern comics anyway! I'll still buy retro's!
They never learn
12 titles in the Xmen line. Nobody's buying.
Comics have been trash for over a decade now- I remember watching hours of content from various people who were either in the industry or massive fans of it just ripping apart nearly every comic that came out from DC/Marvel for years before losing interest in even that
I have to respectfully disagree. Sure the majority of modern comics are rotten but there are a few gems if you look. I've really been enjoying Spider-Boy for example.
Suffering is eternal
For me the issue is the superhero gerne being the only genre that's discussed. I still do read some stuff from marvel and i really enjoy Hulk and Ultimate Black Panther. For me i think the horror genre is at its strongest its been in a good while. And Conan The Barbarian/ Savage Sword of Conan are the best comic coming out rn. For me i just wish that the independent comic scene got more attention as there are lot of fun and great books comic out there in my opinion.
Why are people even reading Marvel and DC anymore? Seriously I want an answer
Also I’m still mad about not getting New Warriors Snowflake and Safe Space.
Was hoping to hear more on the rdj thing, curious what you think about it overall. K agree it seems like nostalgia bait and desperate, but he does seem like a good actor for doom. Could be cool if done right but I'm hesitant for sure...
I see QR Codes and Marvel and remember that terrible villain from Insomniac Spider-Man named Screwball. Nobody should remember Screwball.
This QR code is just stupid.
I dont read comics a lot but i do have some old marvel comics and seeing this in comics makes me wanna punch a wall also as a gen z this is insulting just make a good story damn it
Expensive at $5 😂😂😂😂 you can't be serious MsLady
Why are you still buying comics?
Oh, well. All the more reason to get into the Energon Universe!
I would love comics to be cheaper because right now I can only really afford one comic per month which makes me really sad when I’m in the comic store and I see a really cool looking comic but I can’t buy it because I’m reading the flash run I live in the uk and almost everywhere I look the comics are £4-5 which is ridiculous when I could buy some actual books for that price. It’s not to bad it’s my choice to keep buying them but this was just a little rant about how much it pains my wallet when I’m checking out my newest flash issue.
Will you do a review of the new batman series?