It's so ironic that writers, producers, and even actors are calling out their fans for being nostalgic and calling nostalgia a source of toxic behavious when most movies, shows, and comics these days are relying on nostalgia to make money.
@James Schultz I highly doubt the devs responsible for *THICCGIR...* I mean... Skullgirls and who basically hired a widely *KNOWN* hentai-parody animator is precisely a "SJW-Company" So gonna need more context for that claim Also, ripping off a videogame? You know there's something called videogame genres right? And that many games across the many years have similar if not identical mechanics bevause of it right? It's like calling Call of Duty a ripoff of Counter Strike just because they both have guns that make pew pew
Was that story written by a 12 year old!? If you want people to change then you need a dialogue with them, not berate them and beat them with your message. This comic is more like ‘I am woman, hear me whine!’
Woman here who also volunteered at pet adoption agency, which yes, was run by other women. We made sure to know what about the people who were looking for pets, what they needed, and let them know about the past and problems of the animal they were interested in. If the pet they adopted didn't work out we made it clear to them that they bring the animal back to us to take care of it and not dump it elsewhere. I've also known people who have degrees in agricultural science/animal husbandry which was predominantly women. No man in the degree bitched about that or the fact female veterinarians are as common as male ones. Even most of the pet shops, privatley owned or chains, have many women working in them including as managers or even owners. There's also piss Poor research on comic continuity. Early in her series Harley had a whole floor in her apartment dedicated to numerous dogs and cats she adopted. Granted I've dropped the book long ago and maybe that was addressed in series but I wouldn't be surprised if like with pet rescue and actual legit critique on this industry, the writers could care less. The closing line was painfully stupid as well. Overly nostalgic fans (which can be women too) who might remember something better than what it was or want their hobby to do better are worst than say Charles Manson or idk that one Austrian guy and his followers everyone keeps comparing the people who don't agree with them with?
The irony is DC has had lots of female writers, editors and artists over the last fifty years. The first to come to mind is Karen Burger (editor for The House of Mystery and later founder of Vertigo). there's also Coleen Duran, and Jill Thompson. Both were working in the industry since at least the early 90s.
And then they ask why people don't like those "comics". Oh jeez, I wonder what could be more interesting. A Superman comic in which he fights for the Nth time with Luthor or, one in which he lectures readers about why is bad being sexist and misogynist. I wonder which one would sell more issues?
Yeah, preaching about how the readers are "sexist" and mysoginist" while being absurdly racist and mysoginist at the same time, these NPCs are hilarious in their hypocrisy.
James Schultz No, you need to NOT send ANY message AT ALL. You need to appreciate what you are given rather than demand that you get what you want. Otherwise, you’ll be seen as selfish, entitled and spoiled jerkwads.
@@dvader518 Tell me you are not actually serious, because that's a pretty shitty mentality to have It's like saying that you should be grateful with working at McDonald's forever, just because at least you have a job... People have standards and the right to criticize stuff that doesn't meet them, specially when they are really passionate about something 2018 wasn't disappointing due to any outrage, but because it didnt gave people nothing to care about... Movie-wise 2018 was boring For videogames 2018 was a HORRIBLE For comics... Yeah, just watch the video... We are fed garbage we dont want and we are not going to just be ok with it It's not the fault of any "outrage", it's the industries disappointing us... 2019 is gonna be an awesone year for videogames for example, why? Because we are going to get what we actually want, all those games that we wished released in 2018, but didnt January isn't even done yet and people are already over happily dancing around a campfire over KH3 and RE2, Metro Exodus is releasing next month and Fromsoftware's next game in march...
Hanki I guess Avengers: Infinity War, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Red Dead Redemption 2 and Spider-Man PS4 don’t exist then. You don’t DESERVE to get what you want if you refuse to act like a proper fan and have unrealistic expectations.
I hear some say it's just a commentary on a niche, toxic part of the consumer base, rather than an attack on the fans... but it doesn't read like a commentary. It reads like a book of strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, and dismissals all criticisms as only being possible if grounded by misogyny instead of having any potential legitimacy to reflect on. It doesn't address any of the issues they pretend to bring up, just preach they're right because they say so and anyone who disagrees for any reason is worse than evil.
10:19 "...it doesnt matter what gender somebody is when it comes to animal rescue, because all that matters is that the animals are being helped..." Wait what? you mean that this "industry" cares more about getting the thing that it set up to do from the beggining done, than just focusing on dumb and petty identity politics??? Wow! Now i really wish the Comic Book Industry was more like the Animal Rescue Pet Industry! XD
I saw a video from Diversity and Comics criticizing this comic, but my God, I didn't realize how bad this comic was. You guys actually did a much better job breaking down how bad this really was.
Lol that line "It's about ethics in the pet industry!" yeah how ethical is it for Harley Quinn to be handing out cats to random people? I heard about certain people who sell pets on Craigslist to be used as bait animals for dogfights. You can't just hand an animal to a rando. Such a stupid allegory.
Harley is in Gotham City. Gotham is DC's version of New York City. Why didn't Harley go to a working class neighborhood, and offer the cats to Bodega owners?
It's a great idea to insult the masses of people who are buying your products. Just slap a blanket label on all of them, & ignore legitimate criticism, it's foolproof. Cash in the bag. This is like what a stereotypical comic book villain would do to slander the hero, hilariously enough- paint their opposition in a bad light and act like they're the real heroes, when in reality, everyone can see through the act and isn't buying a second of it. Wait...wasn't that in a Samurai Jack episode? I think Aku did that once. At least then it was funny, this is just sad.
The AngelAJPwny I feel like this is just the beginning of Rise of the Shield Hero. One day everyone will realize the ones they slandered are the actual innocents
I agree with you guys. It’s so annoying how they force their agenda in their comics, to the point that it’s not even a story, it’s just them hating ppl who don’t like their forced politics. I mostly watch anime and read manga so I don’t run into this very often in the media I consume personally, so thank god for Japan. But this is annoying as hell bc I do like Harley Quinn and DC.
7:45 This is basically an attack on Gamergate, wich was and still IS a movement about ethics in the videogame industry specifically, against the corruption among game journalist, who basically had the power over wich games would triumph and wich wont, with some of them even trading good rates in exchange for "You know what" Wich is basically what profesional vitim Zoe Quinn did to promote her game... The journalist then took the term Gamergate, wich someone used ironically on a tweet to pretend that there was a "Harassment movement against women in videogames" and that "White men want videogames to remain a boy's club" Wich is the narrative that, sadly, normies and of course the Social Justice Warriors who dont even play videogames believe to this day thanks to "Never played a videogame and victim expert" Aniita Sarkesian Even tho it's proven over and over that such narrative is a lie, by people like Basedmom (Factual Feminist) and videogame developers So basically we have been figthing against the negative stereotypes of gaming just so the game journalist turn their back on us, their core audience, to put new negative connotations in our existance Even tho videogames are the most egalitarian form of entertaiment that has existed so far... There's no wonder why gamers dont believe in journalist bullshit anymore, with sites like Polygon being top garbage as the same happens with the comic industry There's videogames even for 80 year old grandmas out there In fact some of the most important advances in videogames and even some really famous characters (Like Bayonetta) were made or designed *BY WOMEN* But because that's a flaw on their narrative, of course they are going to conveniently forget it just so they can control the opinion from people who wont do any research of their own
I want to get into the comic's industry as a writer, I'm female, but my want for stories aren't ever going to fly well. Cause when you want to write a story about how only you can let go of your own hate and so on, they wouldn't like that because they all WANT to hate. Want to feel outrage, and all of that so called righteous anger. I would start it out calmly enough, you know. Hate is okay when its against BAD people right? Then evolve it out from there, with the person falling deeper and deeper into everything to the point where hate consumes them. (using the allegory of the red lantern core for addiction! HUZZAH!) It makes sense to me, but it will never fly this day and age.
I mean, there are plenty of American cartoons I've enjoyed this year (and over the decade), but Yeah - these SJWs gotta go. Replace them with people who care to preserve the craft so our primary culture doesn't destroy itself from the inside out. I'm not just talking cartoons or comics, either. I'm talking any medium out there.
Stuff like this is why I stick to manga and anime. They've yet to be ruined by western politics (apart from some dubs) and are 100% better than any of the stuff America as shit out recently
Yuki Shepard sadly with how popular anime and manga is becoming outside of Japan, it's going to become equally susceptible to extreme ideologues from whatever woke company bringing it over. I'm glad I never supported crunchyroll
@@mansome_6282 crunchyroll only sub shows and that's it (apart from the crappy original series they're making) . Funimation is the only company I know that pushes political bs into anime
Yuki Shepard nah they've missed up the the subs part too before and they've been pushing their own politics with anime too. Is it so hard to just ask for entertainment
@@mansome_6282 yes they've messed up the subs before (every site does). But to my knowledge they've never once purposefully changed the subs to push an agenda
To quote my father who is Black "You're a bigot your a homophoboe" "no just don't take what I have read for 20 years and ruin it make your own characters."
Independent comics/graphic novels (like Hilda, for example IMHO) and Manga..... That's the future. And it saddens me to see professionals fall this hard. Superhero comics are a major part of American culture. It sucks to see such great parts of it go down like this, honestly.
Sadly there is a lot of SJW bullshit taking over the world of independend creators as well, causing overly political comics to cash in on attention and prices they don't deserve while ignoring most quality concent.
Much like X-Men Black, the writers' attempt at satirising the comicsgate movement is nothing more than pointing out things and calling it satire without adding anything to the discussion. Along with that, they even missed the point of the argument behind the rift between fans and comic comics and neglecting to call out the comic pro side for their absurdity. They take the words of the comicgaters and folks who just don't like the politics going on in the industry and slap them onto the pages without understanding the proper meaning behind them. Half of the time, they make the characters saying these statements as a mouthpiece and a straw man. If you're going to satirise what's going on currently in comics, try to give both sides a fair voice and put them under equal scrutiny. Present both parts of the arguments as equally valid.
This was a great video. I hope you two make comic review/commentary videos. I love comic books and I see the points you make clearly. Hopefully the comic creators of today can see these types of criticism as a positive, as they're meant to be seen.
Crazy how this situation keeps coming up ever since my argument with "friends" that claim CG is alt-right. lol I do love how these "professionals" will claim that they are helping the industry when they do more to hurt it.
The writer must have asked himself: "How can I shove muh agenda down readers throats with the most stupid alegory possible?" You can read the answer on Harley Quinn #56, if you're willing to torture yourself in the process, of course.
If you didn't show the comic book panels, I would not have believed you that people actually wrote and sell these. As a person with an interest in literature, it's insulting that they think these poorly-researched, thinly-veiled, "no-other-interpretations-possible" allegories are good writing. Oh and I want to say I appreciate your volunteer work with animals! Keep up the great work!
I love the unintended implication that if women were to start getting involved in the "pet industry" that they will force it on innocent people just going about their work and daily life, and to top it off, they will do a bad job at it (giving someone a tabby instead of a calico)
… I... GUESS you could say the presenting the orange tabby to him took place BEFORE he asked for the calico?... And hes rejecting the orange tabby?... I dunno….
It’s a pretty good parallel. The guy asked for an calico (good comic) and she gives him an orange tabby (comic made just to force views on people). I meant that as a joke I hope that doesn’t make anyone upset I know there are some good comics still being made. But also, I think the comic could have been good if after Harley passed out all the cats it was revealed the original owner was just planning on using her to put his cats all around the city in people’s homes just so they could rob them and go back to the owner.
What i think would have been a better story Quinn has no idea that the cat's are thieves and it's their owner's evil plan to trick her into giving the cat's to people so that he can rob them right under their nose's
I think they figured Harley sells so they can tack their message on her. When this bombs I hope someone correctly identifies that it's the writing not the character.
DC is not being subtle with these sjw agendas being portrayed in comics like Harley Quinn. And they did such a good job at being better than Marvel in the comic industry, up until the 2010's.
Not to be rude but, if it's anything like the Titans series, it's probably best not to hold your breath waiting for anything good in a tv series based on a comic book character in this day and age.
@@GNackers53 They're already in the right step with having it animated and we all know Dc is best animated They also seem to be able to take jokes about Dc and their edginess and throw jokes at marvel with that teaser
Except Harle isn’t trying to help the kitties, they were perfectly well cared for in their previous home (which doesn’t look like a hoarder house), Harle’s just trying to help herself and clearly doesn’t care about the welfare of the animals she’s trying to re-home. And yeah, in my experience with wildlife rescue it’s mostly female.
This video means a lot to guys that can't say anything about the current state of comics without be labeled as sexist. Your voice means a lot. Thanks. On principal, SJW marvel does not deserve a penny from the fans it insults, but at the same time its a shame to see things like comics and Star Wars die because SJW cult fanatics took these things over and put politics over good story telling. #NoMoreAgendasInComics
Honestly, I stopped buying the Harley comics because they bored me. I have nothing against her character but I feel that the moments of action were very few and very poor, although maybe is just me xb I have found some numbers,on the internet, that are legitimately interesting, but they are very little compared to what I feel, it is only filler. Another thing I don't understand is since when is Harley allergic to cats? I think that in the first numbers she had more canines around her but I remember that there were also cats and on the covers they used to paint her with cats and dogs alike, I don't remember that this was a problem, but still maybe I just don't remember correctly .-.
I'm more of a dog person and because my family's allergic, have never owned a cat or looked very much into owning one. And I STILL know the difference between a calico and an orange tabby lol
One might argue that it's because of Harley's character that she handles the situation like that, but... writers, what part of handing over cats to people like they're flyers given out in public sounds good to you? And then that sexism angle... I'm not sure, but the "we need to save people from their wrong opinions/system and turn them to ours" point mentioned in the video ironically made me think of colonizers who thought indigenous people needed saving from their wrong religions/faiths and to be "civilized" by them.
Happy Near year! Cute video. And I think you hit the nail on the head. But then again, I'm a white male so I'm just an angry zombie or something who's nostalgic. So my opinion's invalid. XD
I disagree I think the analogy is good. Think back to how poorly Harley did her job, just handing cats out like fliers, not doing any due diligence whatsoever. So when actual professionals find out they raise a fuss because hey, that's not how its done you're actually doing more harm than good, but Harley is insane, so she proceeds to beat up the professionals because she thinks she knows better than the people who do this for a living.
I think that's giving the writer way too much credit. I can see why you would think that, but you have to look at it through the angle of politics because that's where Russell is coming from.
About halfway through this video. I just want to say thank you for your great channel and all of your well-reasoned and well-argued criticism of these bizarre cultural trends happening in comics, movies, etc. I've always been a good Jewish liberal atheist progressive type from New York City my whole life, but lately find myself on the other side of arguments involving issues like these, forced to go on the defensive that I'm not a bad person just because I see flaws in things like these comics, or Captain Marvel, or Ghostbusters 2016, or what have you. It gets utterly exhausting. I'm an extremely opinionated pop culture fan! I have problems with TONS of things I check out! Art criticism has now become this extremely loaded field now, where if you have a problem with a comic with a social justice message like this, THAT MUST MEAN you are against the social justice message or any form of social justice at all. I just want to thank you both for doing such a good job of untangling these complicated ideas. Also, and this is just anecdotal, but my girlfriend has been a writer/artist in the comic book industry for the past 4 years or so, and she has had NOTHING but 1000% support from everybody, and nothing but tons of meteoric success (it's been quite astonishing for both of us), and she's...a girl! She has never been treated with anything but the utmost respect from both fans and peers (guys and girls) and other people in the industry and at all of the various companies, barring one or two awkward encounters here and there. The notion that it's not welcoming to women or there's some sort of barrier in place, etc...as far as I've seen, it couldn't be further from the truth. People have tripped over themselves fighting to get my girlfriend to work for their publication. Not to sound braggy...but it's true! I recommend a book called The Coddling of the American Mind. It goes into how mindsets (i.e. the aggressively social justice type) like the ones you criticize in your videos kind of set in to the culture and how it permeates through all of these things. It's really fascinating, and in a very non-judgmental kind of way.
Should have commented on or showed how they literally show them shooting the men, knocking them off buildings and Harley cutting off arms and other attempts to murder anyone that disagrees with them. Otherwise agree with pretty much everything. The author stepped in for a one off fill-in issue. He's done other books that are hate filled and attack Christianity, etc.
That's kind of the thing with Marvel and DC. When one is doing poorly, the other suddenly hits a mini golden age. In 2016 and 2017 was DC's time with Rebirth, and Marvel losing the faith of the fans with Secret Empire. And now is DC losing the faith of the fans with Heroes in Crisis and such, and Marvel getting it back with The Immortal Hulk or the X-Men Red run. It's kind of periodical. If you see one doing poorly, you can rest assure that the other is doing something great right now. PD: By the way, if you want to read well written political allegory, try Tom Taylor in X-Men Red. The guy is really good at his craft.
I gotta admit, the idea of Harley giving out cats just to get rid of her allergies and then starting angry mobs about it is pretty funny. If you don't look into it too much, its just stupid but in a funny way.
Harley gave the old lady Harley: here you go😊 Old lady: think you, sweet-bean... I think called named her... Fiona Charley: oh😊 that's sweet Old lady: think going named after me. Harley: ok....😶😶😶
Thank you for helping me avoid this trash issue, just when I can finally see a light of hope within the 2nd wave of the Diddio era of DC we get more inaccurate ridicule From pros, I hope I'm wrong, but it looks like it's gonna be another rough year of the same crap, from the Comic book industry.
I will say, "It's too late: they've gone into their catchphrases" is a pretty accurate commentary on most modern political discourse on both sides--at least on social media.
Oh good They decided to mention Gamergate Great... Honestly, I would suspect the person who wrote this got fired. The art might be good, but the story and the dialogue are prime examples, of what to AVOID when being an up and coming writer. The message is as visible as a burning lighthouse, the dialogue quite literally beats you over the head and contradicts itself in some cases with that one lady who was bursting through the window, and the comic had no reason to exist other then just to cash in on the politics game Either way, great video. You guys are fair in your criticisms, however I do have a hard time trying to figure out who’s who when it comes to voices. Not sure if it’s just one who does all the talking, but eh. Love your videos either way, and keep up the good work
It's sad that marvel and dc comics have become like this. Is there a possibility it can be fixed? Yes absolutely! Do you have to read the newer issues? No you don't, you can read the old comics. And while marvel and dc are going through a slop. Manga is doing strong and there's plenty of opportunities for original comics to be made.
Well, it is true that most people who work for comic books are men and it is a litle tough to make it into the industry as a women. I do agree with that. BUT. This is not the way to talk about your struggles. People read comics to relax and enjoy themselves, not to get wind up in your shit. If you want to say something do it somewhere else, but not in a comic book. Imagen watching Harry Potter and all of a sudden they start to talk about feminism in the movies.
This comic is horrible. Waste of money and straight filler. But for real your looking at this way to personal due to your work at the shelter. It’s just a comic book with lame comedy satire. This is why ppl should buy from independent artists and authors . Stories are way better depending on Your genre. #supportidenyartists
I'm tired of politics in the entertainment industry. We can't really call the entertainment industry anymore, there is nothing entertaining in it. I'm gonna go watch code lyoko again.
its funny, cause the people this comic would actually appeal too... they don't read comics! You'd think this industry would want to cater to the fans who made them as big as they are today. It's the least they could do, but who knows. The pendulum has to swing the other way eventually.
Holy ¤%&¤# is this real?!?! The level of ignorance is ... I don't even know what... 7:13 The "It's about ethics in the pet industry" phrase is probably an attempt to mirror the "It's about ethics in gaming-journalism" phrase from gamergate. And, of course, it gets the strawman treatment, because, why not? Yeah, sure, gamergate was exclusively an angry pitch-fork mob... *roleseyes*.
at 2:40 i understand your misgivings here but stories will always utiluze stereotypes to guide the story or like here for a cheap joke i hope im making sense lol 7:40 or so - ok thats a gamergate catchphrase. that movement is dead it was their dragon about TWO YEARS ago. why beat the dead dragon. also y r all critics evil white dudes? ive seen this everywhere with this its...weird
It's so ironic that writers, producers, and even actors are calling out their fans for being nostalgic and calling nostalgia a source of toxic behavious when most movies, shows, and comics these days are relying on nostalgia to make money.
@James Schultz I highly doubt the devs responsible for *THICCGIR...* I mean... Skullgirls and who basically hired a widely *KNOWN* hentai-parody animator is precisely a "SJW-Company"
So gonna need more context for that claim
Also, ripping off a videogame?
You know there's something called videogame genres right?
And that many games across the many years have similar if not identical mechanics bevause of it right?
It's like calling Call of Duty a ripoff of Counter Strike just because they both have guns that make pew pew
The writer's arm must be so tired....
From patting himself on the back so much.
looool
Was that story written by a 12 year old!?
If you want people to change then you need a dialogue with them, not berate them and beat them with your message.
This comic is more like ‘I am woman, hear me whine!’
Woman here who also volunteered at pet adoption agency, which yes, was run by other women. We made sure to know what about the people who were looking for pets, what they needed, and let them know about the past and problems of the animal they were interested in. If the pet they adopted didn't work out we made it clear to them that they bring the animal back to us to take care of it and not dump it elsewhere. I've also known people who have degrees in agricultural science/animal husbandry which was predominantly women. No man in the degree bitched about that or the fact female veterinarians are as common as male ones. Even most of the pet shops, privatley owned or chains, have many women working in them including as managers or even owners.
There's also piss Poor research on comic continuity. Early in her series Harley had a whole floor in her apartment dedicated to numerous dogs and cats she adopted. Granted I've dropped the book long ago and maybe that was addressed in series but I wouldn't be surprised if like with pet rescue and actual legit critique on this industry, the writers could care less.
The closing line was painfully stupid as well. Overly nostalgic fans (which can be women too) who might remember something better than what it was or want their hobby to do better are worst than say Charles Manson or idk that one Austrian guy and his followers everyone keeps comparing the people who don't agree with them with?
The irony is DC has had lots of female writers, editors and artists over the last fifty years. The first to come to mind is Karen Burger (editor for The House of Mystery and later founder of Vertigo). there's also Coleen Duran, and Jill Thompson. Both were working in the industry since at least the early 90s.
Whyd they drag my girl cat woman into this
And then they ask why people don't like those "comics".
Oh jeez, I wonder what could be more interesting. A Superman comic in which he fights for the Nth time with Luthor or, one in which he lectures readers about why is bad being sexist and misogynist.
I wonder which one would sell more issues?
Yeah, preaching about how the readers are "sexist" and mysoginist" while being absurdly racist and mysoginist at the same time, these NPCs are hilarious in their hypocrisy.
Anyone remember the days when it used to be the other way around?
I’m watching this with my cat right now. Lol.
But yeah, 2018 has been a bad year for all sorts of entertainment mediums
Jacob Grooms The reason why lies ENTIRELY with fan outrage and their refusal to behave rationally and reasonably.
James Schultz No, you need to NOT send ANY message AT ALL.
You need to appreciate what you are given rather than demand that you get what you want.
Otherwise, you’ll be seen as selfish, entitled and spoiled jerkwads.
@@dvader518 Tell me you are not actually serious, because that's a pretty shitty mentality to have
It's like saying that you should be grateful with working at McDonald's forever, just because at least you have a job...
People have standards and the right to criticize stuff that doesn't meet them, specially when they are really passionate about something
2018 wasn't disappointing due to any outrage, but because it didnt gave people nothing to care about...
Movie-wise 2018 was boring
For videogames 2018 was a HORRIBLE
For comics... Yeah, just watch the video...
We are fed garbage we dont want and we are not going to just be ok with it
It's not the fault of any "outrage", it's the industries disappointing us...
2019 is gonna be an awesone year for videogames for example, why?
Because we are going to get what we actually want, all those games that we wished released in 2018, but didnt
January isn't even done yet and people are already over happily dancing around a campfire over KH3 and RE2, Metro Exodus is releasing next month and Fromsoftware's next game in march...
Hanki I guess Avengers: Infinity War, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Red Dead Redemption 2 and Spider-Man PS4 don’t exist then.
You don’t DESERVE to get what you want if you refuse to act like a proper fan and have unrealistic expectations.
@@dvader518
What is your problem??
I hear some say it's just a commentary on a niche, toxic part of the consumer base, rather than an attack on the fans... but it doesn't read like a commentary. It reads like a book of strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, and dismissals all criticisms as only being possible if grounded by misogyny instead of having any potential legitimacy to reflect on. It doesn't address any of the issues they pretend to bring up, just preach they're right because they say so and anyone who disagrees for any reason is worse than evil.
SJW comic creator tries to be subtle with their terrible political propaganda, fails miserably.. Not surprising at all 🤣
I saw the thumbnail and title and thought this would be a Diversity&Comics video. Imagine my surprise when your cute avatar shows up.
10:19 "...it doesnt matter what gender somebody is when it comes to animal rescue, because all that matters is that the animals are being helped..." Wait what? you mean that this "industry" cares more about getting the thing that it set up to do from the beggining done, than just focusing on dumb and petty identity politics???
Wow! Now i really wish the Comic Book Industry was more like the Animal Rescue Pet Industry! XD
I saw a video from Diversity and Comics criticizing this comic, but my God, I didn't realize how bad this comic was. You guys actually did a much better job breaking down how bad this really was.
Hannibal Rasberry he criticized the video or the comic?
@@lucapeyrefitte6899 i meant to say comic. My bad 😅
Richard tends to spend a little too much time complaining about boob size and haircuts.
Lol that line "It's about ethics in the pet industry!" yeah how ethical is it for Harley Quinn to be handing out cats to random people? I heard about certain people who sell pets on Craigslist to be used as bait animals for dogfights. You can't just hand an animal to a rando. Such a stupid allegory.
Harley is in Gotham City. Gotham is DC's version of New York City. Why didn't Harley go to a working class neighborhood, and offer the cats to Bodega owners?
It's a great idea to insult the masses of people who are buying your products. Just slap a blanket label on all of them, & ignore legitimate criticism, it's foolproof. Cash in the bag.
This is like what a stereotypical comic book villain would do to slander the hero, hilariously enough- paint their opposition in a bad light and act like they're the real heroes, when in reality, everyone can see through the act and isn't buying a second of it.
Wait...wasn't that in a Samurai Jack episode? I think Aku did that once. At least then it was funny, this is just sad.
@Werewolverine4 Ahh, yes, I remember now. Samurai Jack was such a good show.
@Werewolverine4 I need to find time to finally watch the final season, I heard it's pretty good.
@Werewolverine4 Will do! I can't wait to check it out.
The AngelAJPwny I feel like this is just the beginning of Rise of the Shield Hero. One day everyone will realize the ones they slandered are the actual innocents
I agree with you guys. It’s so annoying how they force their agenda in their comics, to the point that it’s not even a story, it’s just them hating ppl who don’t like their forced politics.
I mostly watch anime and read manga so I don’t run into this very often in the media I consume personally, so thank god for Japan. But this is annoying as hell bc I do like Harley Quinn and DC.
7:45 This is basically an attack on Gamergate, wich was and still IS a movement about ethics in the videogame industry specifically, against the corruption among game journalist, who basically had the power over wich games would triumph and wich wont, with some of them even trading good rates in exchange for "You know what"
Wich is basically what profesional vitim Zoe Quinn did to promote her game...
The journalist then took the term Gamergate, wich someone used ironically on a tweet to pretend that there was a "Harassment movement against women in videogames" and that "White men want videogames to remain a boy's club"
Wich is the narrative that, sadly, normies and of course the Social Justice Warriors who dont even play videogames believe to this day thanks to "Never played a videogame and victim expert" Aniita Sarkesian
Even tho it's proven over and over that such narrative is a lie, by people like Basedmom (Factual Feminist) and videogame developers
So basically we have been figthing against the negative stereotypes of gaming just so the game journalist turn their back on us, their core audience, to put new negative connotations in our existance
Even tho videogames are the most egalitarian form of entertaiment that has existed so far...
There's no wonder why gamers dont believe in journalist bullshit anymore, with sites like Polygon being top garbage as the same happens with the comic industry
There's videogames even for 80 year old grandmas out there
In fact some of the most important advances in videogames and even some really famous characters (Like Bayonetta) were made or designed *BY WOMEN*
But because that's a flaw on their narrative, of course they are going to conveniently forget it just so they can control the opinion from people who wont do any research of their own
I want to get into the comic's industry as a writer, I'm female, but my want for stories aren't ever going to fly well. Cause when you want to write a story about how only you can let go of your own hate and so on, they wouldn't like that because they all WANT to hate. Want to feel outrage, and all of that so called righteous anger. I would start it out calmly enough, you know. Hate is okay when its against BAD people right? Then evolve it out from there, with the person falling deeper and deeper into everything to the point where hate consumes them. (using the allegory of the red lantern core for addiction! HUZZAH!) It makes sense to me, but it will never fly this day and age.
I mean, there are plenty of American cartoons I've enjoyed this year (and over the decade), but Yeah - these SJWs gotta go. Replace them with people who care to preserve the craft so our primary culture doesn't destroy itself from the inside out. I'm not just talking cartoons or comics, either. I'm talking any medium out there.
yikes, talk about insulting the women who have BEEN making comics before things went to hell >.< and insult the readers!
Stuff like this is why I stick to manga and anime. They've yet to be ruined by western politics (apart from some dubs) and are 100% better than any of the stuff America as shit out recently
Yuki Shepard sadly with how popular anime and manga is becoming outside of Japan, it's going to become equally susceptible to extreme ideologues from whatever woke company bringing it over. I'm glad I never supported crunchyroll
@@mansome_6282 crunchyroll only sub shows and that's it (apart from the crappy original series they're making) . Funimation is the only company I know that pushes political bs into anime
Yuki Shepard nah they've missed up the the subs part too before and they've been pushing their own politics with anime too. Is it so hard to just ask for entertainment
@@mansome_6282 yes they've messed up the subs before (every site does). But to my knowledge they've never once purposefully changed the subs to push an agenda
Yuki Shepard didn't they with miss Kobayashi's dragon maid
To quote my father who is Black "You're a bigot your a homophoboe" "no just don't take what I have read for 20 years and ruin it make your own characters."
Dad is correct.
My boy.
Independent comics/graphic novels (like Hilda, for example IMHO) and Manga..... That's the future. And it saddens me to see professionals fall this hard. Superhero comics are a major part of American culture. It sucks to see such great parts of it go down like this, honestly.
Sadly there is a lot of SJW bullshit taking over the world of independend creators as well, causing overly political comics to cash in on attention and prices they don't deserve while ignoring most quality concent.
I stopped buying comics a good while ago. At this point I don't care if this industry dies and manga pretty replaces it all.
That's kinda the future I'm hoping for.
oof
What about original conics? There are tons of comics with original stories.
That's why I like independent comics more, or companies that don't even make superhero comics, they continue to create good stories.
Much like X-Men Black, the writers' attempt at satirising the comicsgate movement is nothing more than pointing out things and calling it satire without adding anything to the discussion. Along with that, they even missed the point of the argument behind the rift between fans and comic comics and neglecting to call out the comic pro side for their absurdity.
They take the words of the comicgaters and folks who just don't like the politics going on in the industry and slap them onto the pages without understanding the proper meaning behind them. Half of the time, they make the characters saying these statements as a mouthpiece and a straw man.
If you're going to satirise what's going on currently in comics, try to give both sides a fair voice and put them under equal scrutiny. Present both parts of the arguments as equally valid.
This was a great video. I hope you two make comic review/commentary videos. I love comic books and I see the points you make clearly. Hopefully the comic creators of today can see these types of criticism as a positive, as they're meant to be seen.
Well Harley is crazy! Anyway I thought Harley had a friendship with Catwoman. Why she couldn't just give them to Selene I'll never know.
As someone with both an Orange Tabby AND a Calico, that one panel gave me a massive migraine
What's the point of metaphors when you are so on the nose already.
Crazy how this situation keeps coming up ever since my argument with "friends" that claim CG is alt-right. lol I do love how these "professionals" will claim that they are helping the industry when they do more to hurt it.
The writer must have asked himself: "How can I shove muh agenda down readers throats with the most stupid alegory possible?"
You can read the answer on Harley Quinn #56, if you're willing to torture yourself in the process, of course.
If you didn't show the comic book panels, I would not have believed you that people actually wrote and sell these. As a person with an interest in literature, it's insulting that they think these poorly-researched, thinly-veiled, "no-other-interpretations-possible" allegories are good writing.
Oh and I want to say I appreciate your volunteer work with animals! Keep up the great work!
I love the unintended implication that if women were to start getting involved in the "pet industry" that they will force it on innocent people just going about their work and daily life, and to top it off, they will do a bad job at it (giving someone a tabby instead of a calico)
… I... GUESS you could say the presenting the orange tabby to him took place BEFORE he asked for the calico?... And hes rejecting the orange tabby?... I dunno….
Aside from the obvious terrible treatment of those poor evil cats, *Why is Harley a building manager??*
It’s a pretty good parallel. The guy asked for an calico (good comic) and she gives him an orange tabby (comic made just to force views on people).
I meant that as a joke I hope that doesn’t make anyone upset I know there are some good comics still being made.
But also, I think the comic could have been good if after Harley passed out all the cats it was revealed the original owner was just planning on using her to put his cats all around the city in people’s homes just so they could rob them and go back to the owner.
I think you are giving them a bit too much credit over a clear panel error.
What i think would have been a better story Quinn has no idea that the cat's are thieves and it's their owner's evil plan to trick her into giving the cat's to people so that he can rob them right under their nose's
Small point, but if she's allergic to cats why did she strap them all to her body for a day?
I think they figured Harley sells so they can tack their message on her. When this bombs I hope someone correctly identifies that it's the writing not the character.
Thanks for making a video about this issue, I stopped reading harley quinn a while back and crap like this makes me glad i did :)
DC is not being subtle with these sjw agendas being portrayed in comics like Harley Quinn. And they did such a good job at being better than Marvel in the comic industry, up until the 2010's.
you have rapidly become my favorite youtubers
Are you guys looking forward to the Harley quinn tv show?
I hope it goes well we need something good from Dc
Not to be rude but, if it's anything like the Titans series, it's probably best not to hold your breath waiting for anything good in a tv series based on a comic book character in this day and age.
@@GNackers53 They're already in the right step with having it animated and we all know Dc is best animated
They also seem to be able to take jokes about Dc and their edginess and throw jokes at marvel with that teaser
Once I would have bounced up and down in my seat and squeaked 'hooray!'
Now I cry out and retch in terror.
(Using the pet store industry as an allegory for women in the comic book industry)
............what?
I thought it was an allegory for gamergate.
Except Harle isn’t trying to help the kitties, they were perfectly well cared for in their previous home (which doesn’t look like a hoarder house), Harle’s just trying to help herself and clearly doesn’t care about the welfare of the animals she’s trying to re-home. And yeah, in my experience with wildlife rescue it’s mostly female.
I'll re-read my Claremont era X-Men collection as a worse than evil nostalgic !
Storm. Jean Grey. Dazzler. Rogue. Mystique. Destiny. Kitty Pride. Madeline Pryor. Emma Frost. Spiral. Jubilee. Betsy Braddock Psylocke. Moira McTaggert. Roma. Colleen Wing. Misty Knight. Callisto. Lilandra. Deathbird. Polaris. Zaladane. Rachel. Malice. Vertigo. Mariko Yashida. Hepzibah. Valerie Cooper. Oracle. Lady Deathstrike...
This video means a lot to guys that can't say anything about the current state of comics without be labeled as sexist. Your voice means a lot. Thanks. On principal, SJW marvel does not deserve a penny from the fans it insults, but at the same time its a shame to see things like comics and Star Wars die because SJW cult fanatics took these things over and put politics over good story telling. #NoMoreAgendasInComics
They really have no idea do they.
Honestly, I stopped buying the Harley comics because they bored me. I have nothing against her character but I feel that the moments of action were very few and very poor, although maybe is just me xb I have found some numbers,on the internet, that are legitimately interesting, but they are very little compared to what I feel, it is only filler.
Another thing I don't understand is since when is Harley allergic to cats? I think that in the first numbers she had more canines around her but I remember that there were also cats and on the covers they used to paint her with cats and dogs alike, I don't remember that this was a problem, but still maybe I just don't remember correctly .-.
This is comic shows why Manga is booming in the west.
Oh my god have you read Maneater from Image or Iceman? Ugh
I'm more of a dog person and because my family's allergic, have never owned a cat or looked very much into owning one. And I STILL know the difference between a calico and an orange tabby lol
Can u guys review more comics
One might argue that it's because of Harley's character that she handles the situation like that, but... writers, what part of handing over cats to people like they're flyers given out in public sounds good to you? And then that sexism angle...
I'm not sure, but the "we need to save people from their wrong opinions/system and turn them to ours" point mentioned in the video ironically made me think of colonizers who thought indigenous people needed saving from their wrong religions/faiths and to be "civilized" by them.
Is this the first time that she has shown she has allergies to cats?
... Odd she has more in common with deadpool..
Best way to end the year
Happy Near year!
Cute video. And I think you hit the nail on the head. But then again, I'm a white male so I'm just an angry zombie or something who's nostalgic. So my opinion's invalid. XD
And every female that doesnt need feminism is a angry zombie too! XD
I disagree I think the analogy is good.
Think back to how poorly Harley did her job, just handing cats out like fliers, not doing any due diligence whatsoever. So when actual professionals find out they raise a fuss because hey, that's not how its done you're actually doing more harm than good, but Harley is insane, so she proceeds to beat up the professionals because she thinks she knows better than the people who do this for a living.
You're onto something there!
I think that's giving the writer way too much credit. I can see why you would think that, but you have to look at it through the angle of politics because that's where Russell is coming from.
About halfway through this video. I just want to say thank you for your great channel and all of your well-reasoned and well-argued criticism of these bizarre cultural trends happening in comics, movies, etc. I've always been a good Jewish liberal atheist progressive type from New York City my whole life, but lately find myself on the other side of arguments involving issues like these, forced to go on the defensive that I'm not a bad person just because I see flaws in things like these comics, or Captain Marvel, or Ghostbusters 2016, or what have you. It gets utterly exhausting. I'm an extremely opinionated pop culture fan! I have problems with TONS of things I check out! Art criticism has now become this extremely loaded field now, where if you have a problem with a comic with a social justice message like this, THAT MUST MEAN you are against the social justice message or any form of social justice at all. I just want to thank you both for doing such a good job of untangling these complicated ideas.
Also, and this is just anecdotal, but my girlfriend has been a writer/artist in the comic book industry for the past 4 years or so, and she has had NOTHING but 1000% support from everybody, and nothing but tons of meteoric success (it's been quite astonishing for both of us), and she's...a girl! She has never been treated with anything but the utmost respect from both fans and peers (guys and girls) and other people in the industry and at all of the various companies, barring one or two awkward encounters here and there. The notion that it's not welcoming to women or there's some sort of barrier in place, etc...as far as I've seen, it couldn't be further from the truth. People have tripped over themselves fighting to get my girlfriend to work for their publication. Not to sound braggy...but it's true!
I recommend a book called The Coddling of the American Mind. It goes into how mindsets (i.e. the aggressively social justice type) like the ones you criticize in your videos kind of set in to the culture and how it permeates through all of these things. It's really fascinating, and in a very non-judgmental kind of way.
"it's about ethics in the pet industry", omfg
Should have commented on or showed how they literally show them shooting the men, knocking them off buildings and Harley cutting off arms and other attempts to murder anyone that disagrees with them. Otherwise agree with pretty much everything. The author stepped in for a one off fill-in issue. He's done other books that are hate filled and attack Christianity, etc.
Media and Entertainment : More tokens than a Chuck E. Cheese.
That's kind of the thing with Marvel and DC. When one is doing poorly, the other suddenly hits a mini golden age.
In 2016 and 2017 was DC's time with Rebirth, and Marvel losing the faith of the fans with Secret Empire. And now is DC losing the faith of the fans with Heroes in Crisis and such, and Marvel getting it back with The Immortal Hulk or the X-Men Red run.
It's kind of periodical. If you see one doing poorly, you can rest assure that the other is doing something great right now.
PD: By the way, if you want to read well written political allegory, try Tom Taylor in X-Men Red. The guy is really good at his craft.
Western comics died with Stan Lee's passing.
I gotta admit, the idea of Harley giving out cats just to get rid of her allergies and then starting angry mobs about it is pretty funny. If you don't look into it too much, its just stupid but in a funny way.
I’m subscribed to diversity and comics and thought this was one of his videos.
Harley gave the old lady
Harley: here you go😊
Old lady: think you, sweet-bean... I think called named her... Fiona
Charley: oh😊 that's sweet
Old lady: think going named after me.
Harley: ok....😶😶😶
Thank you for helping me avoid this trash issue, just when I can finally see a light of hope within the 2nd wave of the Diddio era of DC we get more inaccurate ridicule
From pros, I hope I'm wrong, but it looks like it's gonna be another rough year of the same crap, from the Comic book industry.
I will say, "It's too late: they've gone into their catchphrases" is a pretty accurate commentary on most modern political discourse on both sides--at least on social media.
Wow! So glad that I don't read comics from the mainstream. Mine are independent and gay porn orientated.
Oh good
They decided to mention Gamergate
Great...
Honestly, I would suspect the person who wrote this got fired. The art might be good, but the story and the dialogue are prime examples, of what to AVOID when being an up and coming writer. The message is as visible as a burning lighthouse, the dialogue quite literally beats you over the head and contradicts itself in some cases with that one lady who was bursting through the window, and the comic had no reason to exist other then just to cash in on the politics game
Either way, great video. You guys are fair in your criticisms, however I do have a hard time trying to figure out who’s who when it comes to voices. Not sure if it’s just one who does all the talking, but eh. Love your videos either way, and keep up the good work
Noisy Boi the artist isn’t always the writer, imagine being forced to draw out the visuals because it’s your job despite disagreeing with this shit
Brainbot Jezebel I don’t think I ever mentioned the artist being the writer...?
Love the pic of Storm at 8:10!:)
It's sad that marvel and dc comics have become like this. Is there a possibility it can be fixed? Yes absolutely! Do you have to read the newer issues? No you don't, you can read the old comics. And while marvel and dc are going through a slop. Manga is doing strong and there's plenty of opportunities for original comics to be made.
Well, it is true that most people who work for comic books are men and it is a litle tough to make it into the industry as a women.
I do agree with that.
BUT. This is not the way to talk about your struggles. People read comics to relax and enjoy themselves, not to get wind up in your shit.
If you want to say something do it somewhere else, but not in a comic book.
Imagen watching Harry Potter and all of a sudden they start to talk about feminism in the movies.
I think you have more understanding on the art of storytelling than the „professional“ creators, both in comicbooks and Hollywood.
I know this might be a stupid question. But why are there so many empty speak bubbles?
Why not give the cats to villains who could use a cat who steals things. Also why wasn’t catwoman called or referenced in anyway.
Happy New Year.
This comic is horrible. Waste of money and straight filler. But for real your looking at this way to personal due to your work at the shelter. It’s just a comic book with lame comedy satire.
This is why ppl should buy from independent artists and authors . Stories are way better depending on Your genre. #supportidenyartists
More like a failed attempt at comedy and fell flat on their faces.
Bold strategy indeed
I mean I was gonna pirate this comic anyway
If this is how bad American comics are getting, I'll be sticking to injustice comics, manga, and comics that had an adoption that I've seen.
I'm tired of politics in the entertainment industry. We can't really call the entertainment industry anymore, there is nothing entertaining in it. I'm gonna go watch code lyoko again.
Harley Quinn in this comic is a mc guffin because she can be swapped out for any other woman and there won’t be a difference
You probably just made some crazy Twitter enemies. Don't worry, they'll concern troll you first.
And that's why I only read older stuff and Manga.
its funny, cause the people this comic would actually appeal too... they don't read comics! You'd think this industry would want to cater to the fans who made them as big as they are today. It's the least they could do, but who knows.
The pendulum has to swing the other way eventually.
Yaayy ! new vid. best surprise today.
Holy ¤%&¤# is this real?!?! The level of ignorance is ... I don't even know what...
7:13 The "It's about ethics in the pet industry" phrase is probably an attempt to mirror the "It's about ethics in gaming-journalism" phrase from gamergate. And, of course, it gets the strawman treatment, because, why not? Yeah, sure, gamergate was exclusively an angry pitch-fork mob... *roleseyes*.
I think the book does more to satirize the side it supposedly champions than its actual opposition.
They Did My Harley Soo Dirty. That's All Have To Say.
Real feminism means supporting equality; not shaming women for disagreeing over something.
The story doesn't even make sense, much less successfully represent any real issue.
And this is why people read more manga now
at 2:40 i understand your misgivings here but stories will always utiluze stereotypes to guide the story
or like here for a cheap joke
i hope im making sense lol
7:40 or so - ok thats a gamergate catchphrase. that movement is dead it was their dragon about TWO YEARS ago. why beat the dead dragon.
also y r all critics evil white dudes? ive seen this everywhere with this
its...weird
And I thought dc was safe from sjws in their comics
Orange cat good.
Great video about a crappy collection of images and words. That wasn't a book
*_G A H !_*
What the hell is going on now a days? Jesus...
They could've used a job in the STEM industry if they wanted to comment on male-dominated field. That's pretty male-dominated.