Links to the other episodes of this series: The origins of the Praetorians ruclips.net/video/u3gDqLbgYZg/видео.html The origins of the Roman navy ruclips.net/video/EoK9s9PdUro/видео.html The origins of Roman Shields ruclips.net/video/maNjrYltmUk/видео.html
Metatron, I have to be honest with you. I prefer these types of videos over you reacting to other creators work. This is more informative. Please keep them coming. I know you gave more knowledge to share. ❤
He said he’s going to keep doing these videos on the schedule he’s regularly maintained for awhile. So 3-4 videos like this a month but he wants to do daily videos because they boost him better in the algorithm and get him more ad revenue. This is his full time job and he has a bunch of people he pays for research and scripts so he needs more ad revenue. He has said if you don’t like the reaction videos then don’t watch them and these kind of videos will still be uploaded regularly for your enjoyment.
I *do* like his reaction videos and I am glad he does them. If you don't like the reaction videos, it's easy to just not watch those, and watch these as they are posted; it's not like he's stopped uploading these, clearly.
@@shawnwolf5961concur- and the frequency of this type remains unchanged. Additionally, the other stuff has given some great jumping off points that can lead to these deeper discussion. And I've especially loved the videos covering other creators that have helped me find some amazing sources of worthwhile content: Such as the amazing Tasting History.
I realy prefer these high quality videos instead of reaction content. I understand that it is not as good for the algorithm but this is the kind of video I realy enjoy.
Well, blame Google as well as Gen Z and Gen A...their attention span is so low and they need so much dopamine that they can't wait for content and thus the AI algorithm will prioritize quantity of videos over quality
@@metatronyt I like both for different reasons. This typen, because: More focused and also more of a pleasent history class. And we know if you are wrong or if someone will tell that you are (with proof) you will correct it. The other one, because they are not like the first types of reaction videos, that are not more like someone tell you if the perso nwho reacts like what he or she is watching or not and not add anything interesting to it. You do the newer versions of an reaction video, which means you cann add something to the video or even debunk it, if it is too much nonsense, beause normaly you watch history or language related videos. What I like the least are videos that go into drama. But if they warn us from tocix or very stupid content or content creators, I'm also ok with those. But I know that those are the exception and notz the standart, on your channel.
Metatron, I’m a history major who’s just starting out on his bachelor’s degree, but wants to pursue it much further, and I wanted to say that your academic rigor and passion for the field are an inspiration. You are a role model for future historians, thank you very much.
In Greek mythology, Oenotrus Ancient Greek: Οἴνωτρος son of Lycaon from Arcadia,found a colony, long before the Trojan War. He was the eponym of Oenotria... also Evander was a hero from Arcadia, Greece, who was said to have brought the pantheon, laws, and alphabet of Greece to ancient Italy, where he founded the city of Pallantium on the future site of Palatine Hill, Rome, sixty years before the Trojan War...also Strabo mentions a story that Rome was an Arcadian colony founded by Evander.
Metatron, you were a topic of conversation, particularly in the chat, in Apologetics Roadshow last night. You have a great number of enthusiastic fans who stand up for your unchallengeable expertise and personal character.
Christians apologetics is completely diametrically opposed to the intellectual honesty that's so often "preached" on this channel. You know this channel has many videos where bible "history" is directly contradicted.
@ImCarolB Indeed. No room for discussion. After all, Gabriel here is the end all be all of academic opinions. Guess we should all convert to atheism. 💀😂
I don't often comment, but I would just like to say that you are the only RUclipsr I have found to be worthwhile for the membership options. Such informative and concise videos. Thank you, and I hope to see and learn more with you going forward! (Edited for grammatical purposes)
Why do you feel you have to specify you edited your comment for grammar? I edit my comments constantly because I noticed something isn't quite right after I post it. I perhaps should proof read them better but the comments are sometimes better viewed once posted so makes sense you sometimes miss things. I just assume people know why'd you'd edit a comment... Edited because I forgot that last sentence.
What a coincidence. I taught about the foundation of Rome today in one of my Latin classes and realized how little I know about pre-Roman Latium. I needed this.
Please absolutely do more vids like this. As much fun as it is watching you tear bad historians a new one, it’s so much more interesting learning about the latin world like this.
As an uneducated American whose bloodline goes back to Sciacca in Sicily, I’d love for you to talk about the many cultures that occupied and influenced the local languages. I sent in a swab to have my DNA tested and it came back saying that I am mostly Italian but also have North African DNA. I’m dark skinned with wavy black hair yet my brother has blue-green eyes and light brown curly hair. Grazie, fra beddu!
I’m not sure if you are asking a serious question or simply taking an opportunity to belittle my question to Metatron. If you’re serious, I can only answer this way. It wasn’t specific to identity but rather the regions the results of my “swab” pointed to.
+ @TheOnlyOpie Has to an allegory. Maybe Like Serpent in Genesis. Wasn't exactly a "Serpent" but you know what I mean. Same would apply to "Wolves" IMO.
In Portugal when we speak of something in it's general meaning we say - No sentido lato - in opposition to a specific or contextual meaning - No sentido restrito
Love when you give us Latin words and I find the Romanian counterparts: the long "latus" => "lat" in Ro (=wide), and the short "latus" => "latura" in Ro (=side)
@teovu5557 Those are Rromani people (from Indian descent). Romanians are the people living in Romania (and even if they took a lot of the Gipsy's bad habits, they are of Latin descent)
@@contacluj758 not Latin decent but dacian and thracian who assimilated to Roman language and culture. Real Latin's are Italians from the Latio/Lazio region where the Latini tribe originated and who later founded Rome and the Roman culture.
Hey Metatron! Can you do a video series detailing about the various Patrician families, their origins, highpoints, notable individuals, last known members and their downfall? It would really be an interesting one and tbh there are not many sources I could find online detailing these ancient patrician families. Thank you
Imagine Romulus and Remus watching from the afterlife what the city they founded would become and saying: "Boy...This sh*t got completely out of hand..." 💀
They would rage at all the traitor politicians allowing Africans and Asians to pore into Europe. They would loose it watching the promotion of mixing between people of European and non-European origin.
I know it’s completely random but this reminds me of a scene from an animated movie called Wish Dragon. The movie is just a cute kids movie but there’s one scene where the dragon who’s actually an ancient ruler shows how he saw everything pan out from his time. And him seeing everything-his kingdom, his family-all fall into ruin. And it is actually a memorable scene.
Because "pontifex" were some of the earliest priests, I would think "latium = marsh" is my favorite hypothesis. By the way, Londinium having a similar meaning, that would made two of the most influential European empire having their origins in a swampy, damp, muddy place. And one can imagine an alternate history where Venice become the third Rome or something.
Hi Metatron I love your video and especially this one because of its deep dive in the region I come from. I would just to remark that the hypothesis that Latium comes from "swamp / palus" could be also a fair etymology. The southern Latium had a wide swamp until the 1920 (increasing and decreasing over the centuries and engineer maintenance) and also Rome itself had a swamp in which is now the city center. Of course mythological explanations are the coolest and more appreciated both in ancient and modern time, but I would think geographical landmark were especially important in the very ancient time to define the territory. Many thanks and great work!
I am dumbstruck. Two nights ago I woke up suddenly wondering why the language spoken by the Romans is not Roman but Latin and funnily enough my wife didn't know the answer but now, here you are, blowing my mind.
Those of us proud to live in republics sometimes prefer to think about the Roman Republic instead. We are keeping a watchful eye on our own states, that they not fall to Despots.@IbnRushd-mv3fp
Because we: (1) Want to understand the parallels between Rome and present society. (2) Want to learn from their mistakes (3) We want to prevent history from repeating itself.
Metatron hoping you see this. My family has Maltese background and I've always had a really hard time understanding the history of Malta and I was wondering if you could do a deep dive into Malta. My mother is half Maltese. Our family name is farrugia. ❤
He's a racist, he probably considers you to be Arabic and thus unworthy of study. Funny, really, especially considering that he's from Sicily and his own people have been subject to similar racist misinformation.
I feel as though Alba Longa doesn’t get nearly enough of a mention in casual conversation about the early Latins in Italy, often people jump to Romulus and Remus and the founding of Rome.
Archaic Rome is my favourite Rome. So thank you for a video on such ancient times. While watching I gave some thought to the idea of Latium as a "hidden land." I thought of the ancient geography of the area, with mountains on 3 sides and a marshy coast with few settlements. To Greek (and earlier Phoenician and maybe Mycenian) traders Latium was a backwater that they sailed past to get to the metal rich Etrurian cities. So "hidden" is now my favoured interpretation.
This video leaves me puzzled. You did great work and your sources are just as sound as ever. However, I feel like you went off on a tangent and somehow never came back. I expected that the video would take a look at the Indo-European migration. How the Latins split off from the rest and migrated into Italy, and how they interacted with the people already living there. Your video was great, and I love what I learned, it was just unexpected.
The Latins were most likely related to the Bell-Beaker culture of central Europe. Italian skeletons found in the early Bronze Age, when the Bell-Beaker migrations took place, show genetic evidence of a steppe admixture(Indo-European related), unlike the earlier Neolithic populations.
Thank you, this was edifying. I would appreciate an in depth look at the evolution of Roman swords throughout the whole period. Even though there are a large number of sword related channels, I think I would rather see your take, as you are very thorough. (Perhaps I should sieve through your past posts, it might actually be out there)
You should do a video on the connection between the Greek and Roman gods and whether they come from a common root or were acquired and renamed by the Romans.
Fun Fact: Ancient Turkic origin Xiongnu and Gokturks in Mongolia has the same origin story with the wolf written on the Ancient Stone carved text (Runic Stones called Orkhon Inscriptions). And they had intermixed with the Ancient Indo-Europeans (Scythians) etc in Central Asia. They also did Nordic Style tattoos and ear piercings. After Islam these traditions were banned by the Arabs. The Göktürks inscription dates back to 8th century. But the Chinese archeologists also discovered these Runic inscriptions way back belonging to the Xiongnu.
I've long thought the thing about young boys raised by a wolf and building on hills is referring to the ancient tradition of the coming of age wolf cults, and the hills of Rome having become commonly utilised strongholds for such socially expelled adolescent boys in the wolf cults, which these warrior bands often would make hilltop strongholds (similar to kids in the woods today building bases), eventually these could develop into settlements with women and families.
*Fun fact:* When they were building the city, Remus wanted to establish the Pomerium and the walls on the Aventine, as it was the safest of the seven hills, while Romulus wanted to establish it on the Palatine, the hill on which the twins grew up. Although Romulus won the right to establish the Pomerium on the Palatine after making a competition, Remus did not accept his defeat and accused his brother of cheating. This resulting fight ended with Remus' death. Just a few years after establishing the limits of Rome on the Palatine, King Romulus extended the Pomerium and the walls to the other hills, including the Aventine.
Thanks for this very interesting. Have you ever considered some episodes comparing the Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire, their rise in power, similarities, and differences?
As always, love the videos. Quick request, if you haven't done one yet. (and if you have my apologies). I would love a video on the lesser known tribes of Italy, like the Umbrian and the Oscan. I myself am a mixture of Umbrian and Oscan descendance and would love to know more about them.
Hey Metatron, nice video, a bit confusing having 3 topics in the same video. By the way if i can suggest a topic for a future one i would like a quick dive of "how the ancient romans (and greeks) use math", so how did they write expressions? How did they work around the concept of zero considering that the zero as number comes from arabic numbers? Are there ancient math text? (I think so considering pitagora). Keep it up! Cheers from Veneto :)
The adoption and earliest types of both the gladius hispaniensis and the pugio - since they are both Spanish - would be an interesting video, with their evolution up to the late Republic.
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Very interesting! Thank You for the detailed research in to the origins of ancient Romans.
All ancient writers tell us that the origin of those who moved from Thessaly to central Italic peninsula was Pelasg. Then for meanings I would consider Archaic Romanian useful to compare, pinpoint probable meanings of Latin terms. Like Vesta, Vestae, Vestia - to bring news, from the gods or underworld. Ham - harness. Also interesting that Archaic NW Romanian uses H instead of V, so Vestia is Hestia (like goddess), Vulpe - Hulpe, a Fi - a Hi - to be, să Fiu (I to be) - să Hiu, is same with H in Vlah - Aromanian language of south Balkans. Along other words and a common vocabulary. The region between Thessaly and Pindus mountains, arounds the Axius river, was always indicated as Pelasg homeland and overlaps the Vlach homeland of "Pelagonia" in history. Italians and Romanians also named Vloch and Vlach by others, but obviosly languages evolved and intertwined within or along different linguist groups in time, in the last more than 3000 years. Take fore example Pelasg Zeus (of Dodona), Latin retained as Deus, Vlach, Romainian - Zeu - God; Pelasg Tata = Father same in Ro, Vlach/Aro, same pronouns Aiesta - this, Aiasta - that, as in Arch West Romanian and Aromanian; Aphara - Afara - Outside, same in Ro and Aro, Marga - Margă - to Go, same in Arch Ro and Aro, also attested as Getae war cry, meaning Go Go! Then Latin Harma - retained by English as Harm, to cause damage, by using weapons in Arma, Armae = Arms While Harmata = Armata, reminder of a solid Romanian clue - ARMA-SAR = WAR HORSE (that Jumps) or SARMIS - Horse Army as in the name of the Dacian/Getae capital SARMISeGETUSSA. Probably meaning Getae Horse Army or Horse Riders of Little GETIA. If double Sd, as diminutive suffixed -ussa, being pronounced -utza. Archaic Romanian also contains a significant amount of Indo European words sometimes closer to Sanskrit and Baltic, most probably inherited from its IE base language. There are also interesting Fire derivates and connections Like Latin ignis - Fire - Italian Fuoco and Romanian Foc, retained by both Italian and Romanian - as to light up. In Romanian also had an interesting evolve, being the name of the old December tradition of IGNAT - Ig-Nat - to light up (fire) at Birth (Christmas). Who knows how old that is and if not a pre Christian tradition before. Ignis means same Fire in Baltic languages, closely related to assumingly extinct Daco-Getae and Thracian languages, but also in many aspects and vocabulary to Romanian. The Archaic Rom - Pară, Pira Focului - Flame of Fire, same as in Aromanian, along Latin related Phlama - Flamă - Flame, derived as Fla-căra - Moving Flame, or Flam-ura - Intense Burning Flame, which could also explain -Ura - as a profound expression of determination or hate. In the Baltic Sanskrit related Flame category there is the Archaic Romanian and Arch Moldo Romanian - Lespede, Liespedea - Burner plate, Oven and also Tombstone, like meant to block a burning fire from underground, which corroborated with Sanskrit Liespn and Baltic Liespna - Flame, means exactly that - Flame / Fire blocker. There are many clues that there is a lot more than a Latin derived base.
A very good video. You did very well in presenting what must be termed an "amalgamated origin", i.e. a combination of etruscan, celtic, latin, greek indo-european series of threads for 'achaic rome'. But you may want to delve into incredibly important aspects of "duty & virtue" of roman culture, history & society ... as it complements the religious & militarist facets of roman life along with it's patriarchal basis & nature. Very good presentation, top shelf. 👌🏼
I was a Classicist - for one year in college. I love the subject, but I am so poor at learning languages that I eventually had to change to anthropology and archaeology. Not that I ever made a career as an archaeologist as I’d hoped, but I will say that cultural anthropology has served me greatly in working with people from around the world.
Ciao! Could you include in your future video plans about the Sereníssima? I'm Brazilian and I live in the city of Antônio Prado, the most Italian city in Brazil. Here the majority are descendants of immigrants from the Veneto region and the city's second official language is "Talian", a language spoken in the Veneto region in Italy. For example, my father practically only speaks Talian. The idea of the video would be to explain the reason for the idea of separatism in this region, because as I am obtaining my Italian citizenship, studying the language and culture, I realized that there is this feeling of separatism, and the Talian, as it is called here , is not a dialect, but a language. Best regards!
great job on this video! it really sheds light on a fascinating topic. but honestly, i feel like the role of the Etruscans is often downplayed in discussions about the Latins and the Romans. they had such a huge influence, and it seems like many people overlook that part of the story. what do you all think?
The Indo-Europeanization of Europe did not mean total destruction of the previous cul- tural achievement, but consisted in an amalgamation (hybridization) of racial and cultural phenomena. Linguistically, the process may (and must) be regarded in a similar way: the Indo-Europeans imposed an idiom which itself then adopted certain elements from the autochthonous languages spoken previously. These non-Indo-European (pre-IE) elements are numerous in Greek, Latin, and arguably, Thracian.
Yes.. and Metatron often breaks the modern myths of "invasions" (by Greeks, Romans, Goths etc..) which are often regarded with a relatively modern view of brutal forced assimilation (like conquerors imposing their way of life, culture, language, religions), though in classical period it was more stricly territorial conquest (and tax paying, eiher in money or food or materials such as gold or other minerals) in which conquered people were inspired by the way of living of the conquerers and starts to imitate them (like Gallo-Romans for example). And conqerers alos sometimes took some stuff (more advanced) from conquered like he explans with Roman military equipment, which took from Gauls, Celts, Iberians and Greeks..
the term ‘work’ used for such things as ‘this man’s work’ usually implies something that is actually good, a positive intonation. When he is criticizing abominations of scholarship, he doesn’t say that he is criticizing ‘their work’. Because it absolutely isn’t a work. The people he criticizes are just blasphemous fools.
My close online buddies and I made a Samnite group on ROBLOX over the course of like five or six years and I, at least, personally started to study pre-Italic Italy (if you could call it that!) with the mass migrations of peoples from Gaul, Doggerland, and the UK; it's fascinating stuff to think that there were originally people in Britain that crossed through Doggerland to now mainland Europe that then mass migrated across the continent to Asia.
I like that you pointed out the meaning of the word Etomology. I love that science and use the word often. It amazes me how many people try to correct me saying it's the study of insects. 😅
Literally up next in my playlist, Metatron is my go-to on Roman history because his sources & expertise seriously check out, but FoL is great at narrative exposition without reading off wikipedia. Both offer me something different, so I love when they overlap in content.
Great video. I will join the others who say we like this better than the reaction videos (though those are also fun). I'd be interested in hearing more about the legend of lupa capitolina in the future parts.
Raf, this is the first time I heard that the ancient Latins were not Italic. Latins were an Indo-European population that spoke an Italic language, as such they're part of the ethnolinguistic group of the Italic peoples, why you say they weren't Italic? Am I missing something?
I'm speaking about the linguistic macro groups. I probably should have specified it better but I was dividing the Veneto-Latino-Siculi including the Latino-Faliscanis which are one group, from the Italic or Osco-Umbrian, Sabellic which is a separate group. People often conflate the two and use Italic for all but considering these people reached the Italian peninsula with a difference of a full century it would be more correct to consider them separate. Thanks
@@metatronyt Italic is usually used to refer to the unified Latino-Sabellic group, not just Sabellic Most scholars today do support the existence of Proto-Italic (as in Latino-Sabellic) And I've seen more scholars today instead doubt the position of Venetic, be it Italic itself, closely related to Italic or an entirely separate Western Indo-European branch Relevant sources: Weiss, M. (2022) ‘Italic’, in T. Olander (ed.) The Indo-European Language Family. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 114-134. Wigman, A.M. (2023) Unde venisti? The Prehistory of Italic through its Loanword Lexicon The second source is a dissertation focused on the spread of Italic based on linguistics, but also citing archaeology and genetics
@@szymonbaranowski8184 What you say is interesting, but if the most famous man in Italy, Leonardo Da Vinci, had an Italian father and a Middle Eastern mother, it makes me think that not everything is as you say.
did i miss something? what is the origin of latins/ancient romans? did he actually answer it? lol i feel like an idiot some times when i watch these videos.
Many don’t want to be labeled in either of those ways. Many people with Mexican ancestry are 50%+ Native American. Clever strategy to label them as foreigners when they are indigenous to America. One reason why Mexican Spanish is different by incorporating Mesoamerican/ Nahuatl words in their vocabulary.
I often think about the conflict between incoming IndoEuropean speakers and resident Neolithic farmers that led to groups like the Latins. The fact that the Etruscans went on speaking a non-IE language but still had steppe Y-DNA is fascinating.
Links to the other episodes of this series:
The origins of the Praetorians
ruclips.net/video/u3gDqLbgYZg/видео.html
The origins of the Roman navy
ruclips.net/video/EoK9s9PdUro/видео.html
The origins of Roman Shields
ruclips.net/video/maNjrYltmUk/видео.html
Metatron, I have to be honest with you. I prefer these types of videos over you reacting to other creators work. This is more informative. Please keep them coming. I know you gave more knowledge to share. ❤
He said he’s going to keep doing these videos on the schedule he’s regularly maintained for awhile. So
3-4 videos like this a month but he wants to do daily videos because they boost him better in the algorithm and get him more ad revenue. This is his full time job and he has a bunch of people he pays for research and scripts so he needs more ad revenue. He has said if you don’t like the reaction videos then don’t watch them and these kind of videos will still be uploaded regularly for your enjoyment.
I *do* like his reaction videos and I am glad he does them. If you don't like the reaction videos, it's easy to just not watch those, and watch these as they are posted; it's not like he's stopped uploading these, clearly.
I quite like his reaction videos personally. It's good someone is pointing out "professionals" trying to rewrite or misconstrue history.
reactions get more views
@@shawnwolf5961concur- and the frequency of this type remains unchanged.
Additionally, the other stuff has given some great jumping off points that can lead to these deeper discussion.
And I've especially loved the videos covering other creators that have helped me find some amazing sources of worthwhile content:
Such as the amazing Tasting History.
I realy prefer these high quality videos instead of reaction content. I understand that it is not as good for the algorithm but this is the kind of video I realy enjoy.
Agreed
That’s why I still make them even if they under perform and the react content pays for the production 👍🏻 Thanks 🙏🏻
Well, blame Google as well as Gen Z and Gen A...their attention span is so low and they need so much dopamine that they can't wait for content and thus the AI algorithm will prioritize quantity of videos over quality
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@@metatronyt I like both for different reasons.
This typen, because: More focused and also more of a pleasent history class. And we know if you are wrong or if someone will tell that you are (with proof) you will correct it.
The other one, because they are not like the first types of reaction videos, that are not more like someone tell you if the perso nwho reacts like what he or she is watching or not and not add anything interesting to it.
You do the newer versions of an reaction video, which means you cann add something to the video or even debunk it, if it is too much nonsense, beause normaly you watch history or language related videos.
What I like the least are videos that go into drama. But if they warn us from tocix or very stupid content or content creators, I'm also ok with those. But I know that those are the exception and notz the standart, on your channel.
Metatron, I’m a history major who’s just starting out on his bachelor’s degree, but wants to pursue it much further, and I wanted to say that your academic rigor and passion for the field are an inspiration. You are a role model for future historians, thank you very much.
Have you studied or questioned the holocaust
@ yes, and come to the same answer any reasonable person does. All the evidence points to it, quit spreading conspiracies
@jaegercat6702 there isn't a shred of evidence, your a typical song sheet historian,living a lie
Read the Compendium of World History it's a PDF
@@jaegercat6702 show me your best evidence please,because I can't find any,thanks
You really should just take it granted that we want a dedicated video. No one else provides this much depth. Thanks for sharing your passion
Really like this video.
I’m a Brazilian living in Germany watching an Italian giving lesson on early Ancient Rome.
The internet can be awesome!
hes not native ahh this dude is asian...indian or philipino
and yourself not brazilian
@@flokeyku-y2j okay...go to sleep now... rest your brain 🧠
In Greek mythology, Oenotrus Ancient Greek: Οἴνωτρος son of Lycaon from Arcadia,found a colony, long before the Trojan War. He was the eponym of Oenotria... also Evander was a hero from Arcadia, Greece, who was said to have brought the pantheon, laws, and alphabet of Greece to ancient Italy, where he founded the city of Pallantium on the future site of Palatine Hill, Rome, sixty years before the Trojan War...also Strabo mentions a story that Rome was an Arcadian colony founded by Evander.
The last time I was this early the Aeneid was a bestseller
The concept of best seller didn't exist back then so no
No one goes this in depth with such excellent pronunciation of Latin words, fantastic video yet again!
Metatron, you were a topic of conversation, particularly in the chat, in Apologetics Roadshow last night. You have a great number of enthusiastic fans who stand up for your unchallengeable expertise and personal character.
Mr glaze Remington glazer
Christians apologetics is completely diametrically opposed to the intellectual honesty that's so often "preached" on this channel. You know this channel has many videos where bible "history" is directly contradicted.
Such as?@@Gab8riel
@@Gab8riel "Completely diametrically!" No room for discussion there!
@ImCarolB Indeed. No room for discussion. After all, Gabriel here is the end all be all of academic opinions. Guess we should all convert to atheism. 💀😂
While critiquing other videos is fun your history videos are what I love best. Your are an excellent speaker and make history fun.
I don't often comment, but I would just like to say that you are the only RUclipsr I have found to be worthwhile for the membership options. Such informative and concise videos. Thank you, and I hope to see and learn more with you going forward!
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Why do you feel you have to specify you edited your comment for grammar? I edit my comments constantly because I noticed something isn't quite right after I post it. I perhaps should proof read them better but the comments are sometimes better viewed once posted so makes sense you sometimes miss things. I just assume people know why'd you'd edit a comment...
Edited because I forgot that last sentence.
@@JennySimon206dude just wanted to be clear. Why give him shit about it?
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Make you should look deeper 😂😂😂😂 this guys a gnostic clown!
Fascinating as always, Metatron! I wish you were my history teacher when I was a kid.
Absolutely loved this one, brother. Please keep this kind of content coming!
What a coincidence. I taught about the foundation of Rome today in one of my Latin classes and realized how little I know about pre-Roman Latium. I needed this.
Please absolutely do more vids like this. As much fun as it is watching you tear bad historians a new one, it’s so much more interesting learning about the latin world like this.
Doe he have a masters degree from a university in history orcarcheology?😁😁😁
@@lactusgalacto1174 He has documentation and showed it a few videos back reacting to someone claiming he didn't.
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And what documention is that?
Intelligent, informative content with a voice that is pleasant instead of grating on the brain.
Thank you.
As an uneducated American whose bloodline goes back to Sciacca in Sicily, I’d love for you to talk about the many cultures that occupied and influenced the local languages. I sent in a swab to have my DNA tested and it came back saying that I am mostly Italian but also have North African DNA. I’m dark skinned with wavy black hair yet my brother has blue-green eyes and light brown curly hair. Grazie, fra beddu!
DNA, Is it Italian or Roman? The DNA strand change its ethnic name. 😁😁😁
I’m not sure if you are asking a serious question or simply taking an opportunity to belittle my question to Metatron. If you’re serious, I can only answer this way. It wasn’t specific to identity but rather the regions the results of my “swab” pointed to.
Ah I see, are not Romans , Italians also ? Does DNA comes with the ethnic name Roman or Italian attached to the strand? . 😁😁😁😁
I’m sorry but English is my third language and trying to understand you is difficult.
The combination of language origins and history is absolutely fascinating, really good work thank you,
Waiting for the King’s monologue rebuttal to your video
Joking
Keep it up my man !!!
These are such fascinating subject to explore, and I really appreciate the manner in which you are describing these things to us. Thank-you.
Romulas & Remus, AKA Raised by Wolves
+ @TheOnlyOpie Has to an allegory. Maybe Like Serpent in Genesis. Wasn't exactly a "Serpent" but you know what I mean. Same would apply to "Wolves" IMO.
I was given to understand that the she Wolf was a prostitute but they had to clean it up for the masses
Aka the constellation Gemini
Love the use of etymology and linguistics in historical research, so creative. This is way better than your reaction videos.
Woo, just from the title and subject can already know I will enjoy this video.
Cheers!
In Portugal when we speak of something in it's general meaning we say - No sentido lato - in opposition to a specific or contextual meaning - No sentido restrito
Makes _sense_
Love when you give us Latin words and I find the Romanian counterparts: the long "latus" => "lat" in Ro (=wide), and the short "latus" => "latura" in Ro (=side)
Gypsies!!!!!!
@teovu5557 Those are Rromani people (from Indian descent). Romanians are the people living in Romania (and even if they took a lot of the Gipsy's bad habits, they are of Latin descent)
@@contacluj758 not Latin decent but dacian and thracian who assimilated to Roman language and culture.
Real Latin's are Italians from the Latio/Lazio region where the Latini tribe originated and who later founded Rome and the Roman culture.
@@teovu5557 The Dacians have a Column in Rome unlike others.
@@CocoSon-we2rg don’t know about that one specifically, but usually monuments were used to honour campaigns. They defeated the Dacians.
Hey Metatron! Can you do a video series detailing about the various Patrician families, their origins, highpoints, notable individuals, last known members and their downfall? It would really be an interesting one and tbh there are not many sources I could find online detailing these ancient patrician families.
Thank you
Imagine Romulus and Remus watching from the afterlife what the city they founded would become and saying: "Boy...This sh*t got completely out of hand..." 💀
They would rage at all the traitor politicians allowing Africans and Asians to pore into Europe. They would loose it watching the promotion of mixing between people of European and non-European origin.
Romulus is still alive. He ascended to the heavens, whatever that means. But he didn't die.
@@BygoneTHe gained immortality, much like emperors that got deified.
Rome ahh boy
I know it’s completely random but this reminds me of a scene from an animated movie called Wish Dragon. The movie is just a cute kids movie but there’s one scene where the dragon who’s actually an ancient ruler shows how he saw everything pan out from his time. And him seeing everything-his kingdom, his family-all fall into ruin. And it is actually a memorable scene.
I love history. The fascinating details about the beginning of these ancient civilizations is always great to hear about.
Because "pontifex" were some of the earliest priests, I would think "latium = marsh" is my favorite hypothesis.
By the way, Londinium having a similar meaning, that would made two of the most influential European empire having their origins in a swampy, damp, muddy place. And one can imagine an alternate history where Venice become the third Rome or something.
I really appreciate your style of thoroughness!
Do a video on kings of Rome. People forget that once Rome was a kingdom.
I very much appreciate when you show some of the art of process behind the history field. Great video!
Great tie in to Zoroastrianism and the Persians. I'd love to see more if these connections among ancient peoples.
well they are still kinda euroepans
Sumerians and pharaohs
Babylon origin is what I’ve always heard.
@@MariaClaire-v1zSumerians never existed
@ of course they did just like the Aryan’s and the Canaanites
Can't learn enough about ancient Rome. It is why I subscribed to your channel in the first place. Thank you! Have a great day!
Great! Always enjoy your history lessons 👍
Hi Metatron I love your video and especially this one because of its deep dive in the region I come from. I would just to remark that the hypothesis that Latium comes from "swamp / palus" could be also a fair etymology. The southern Latium had a wide swamp until the 1920 (increasing and decreasing over the centuries and engineer maintenance) and also Rome itself had a swamp in which is now the city center. Of course mythological explanations are the coolest and more appreciated both in ancient and modern time, but I would think geographical landmark were especially important in the very ancient time to define the territory. Many thanks and great work!
I'm from the same region. Pity I don't know much about it, though
I am dumbstruck. Two nights ago I woke up suddenly wondering why the language spoken by the Romans is not Roman but Latin and funnily enough my wife didn't know the answer but now, here you are, blowing my mind.
Bet your wife must love being woken in the middle of the night to help with random queries about Romans 😂😂
@TheLeeBonner "why are men thinking about the roman empire?"
Those of us proud to live in republics sometimes prefer to think about the Roman Republic instead. We are keeping a watchful eye on our own states, that they not fall to Despots.@IbnRushd-mv3fp
Because we:
(1) Want to understand the parallels between Rome and present society.
(2) Want to learn from their mistakes
(3) We want to prevent history from repeating itself.
New subscriber from Australia this was so interesting and informative. Eagerly wanting more.
Metatron hoping you see this. My family has Maltese background and I've always had a really hard time understanding the history of Malta and I was wondering if you could do a deep dive into Malta. My mother is half Maltese. Our family name is farrugia. ❤
He's a racist, he probably considers you to be Arabic and thus unworthy of study. Funny, really, especially considering that he's from Sicily and his own people have been subject to similar racist misinformation.
@@daryld4457oh piss off you sperg.
@@daryld4457 Why do you think Rafa is racist?
I Was just doing lots of research on this yesterday. Great topic.
I feel as though Alba Longa doesn’t get nearly enough of a mention in casual conversation about the early Latins in Italy, often people jump to Romulus and Remus and the founding of Rome.
Archaic Rome is my favourite Rome. So thank you for a video on such ancient times.
While watching I gave some thought to the idea of Latium as a "hidden land." I thought of the ancient geography of the area, with mountains on 3 sides and a marshy coast with few settlements. To Greek (and earlier Phoenician and maybe Mycenian) traders Latium was a backwater that they sailed past to get to the metal rich Etrurian cities. So "hidden" is now my favoured interpretation.
This video leaves me puzzled. You did great work and your sources are just as sound as ever. However, I feel like you went off on a tangent and somehow never came back. I expected that the video would take a look at the Indo-European migration. How the Latins split off from the rest and migrated into Italy, and how they interacted with the people already living there. Your video was great, and I love what I learned, it was just unexpected.
same here
what do jeets have to do with anything
The Latins were most likely related to the Bell-Beaker culture of central Europe. Italian skeletons found in the early Bronze Age, when the Bell-Beaker migrations took place, show genetic evidence of a steppe admixture(Indo-European related), unlike the earlier Neolithic populations.
Thank you, this was edifying. I would appreciate an in depth look at the evolution of Roman swords throughout the whole period. Even though there are a large number of sword related channels, I think I would rather see your take, as you are very thorough. (Perhaps I should sieve through your past posts, it might actually be out there)
You should do a video on the connection between the Greek and Roman gods and whether they come from a common root or were acquired and renamed by the Romans.
Look at Stephens History of the World channel - he has a video covering the similarities of the myths arising out of proto-Indo-European culture.
@@jensenhealey08Trachians, Pelasgi, Bulgarian
Always very interesting topics intelligently discussed; Thank You!🙏🏽 🎉❤Blessings!
Fun Fact: Ancient Turkic origin Xiongnu and Gokturks in Mongolia has the same origin story with the wolf written on the Ancient Stone carved text (Runic Stones called Orkhon Inscriptions). And they had intermixed with the Ancient Indo-Europeans (Scythians) etc in Central Asia. They also did Nordic Style tattoos and ear piercings. After Islam these traditions were banned by the Arabs. The Göktürks inscription dates back to 8th century. But the Chinese archeologists also discovered these Runic inscriptions way back belonging to the Xiongnu.
I really appreciate the depth of your work. 👍
Die Musik unterstreicht perfekt dass du bei diesem Thema in deinem Element bist.
Und man fühlt dass das Video ein Meisterwerk wird.
I've long thought the thing about young boys raised by a wolf and building on hills is referring to the ancient tradition of the coming of age wolf cults, and the hills of Rome having become commonly utilised strongholds for such socially expelled adolescent boys in the wolf cults, which these warrior bands often would make hilltop strongholds (similar to kids in the woods today building bases), eventually these could develop into settlements with women and families.
*Fun fact:* When they were building the city, Remus wanted to establish the Pomerium and the walls on the Aventine, as it was the safest of the seven hills, while Romulus wanted to establish it on the Palatine, the hill on which the twins grew up. Although Romulus won the right to establish the Pomerium on the Palatine after making a competition, Remus did not accept his defeat and accused his brother of cheating. This resulting fight ended with Remus' death. Just a few years after establishing the limits of Rome on the Palatine, King Romulus extended the Pomerium and the walls to the other hills, including the Aventine.
Its a sad and ebiquitous thing; fratricide.
Some say Romulus is still apologizing profusely to this day.
Literal Human sacrifice for the future of Rome, grimdark has nothing on actual history.
@@mrlakkie1612 It 'only' took him (Romelus) being wrong in the worst possible way, for him to accept he could be wrong in other ways as well
@@SordoBjorn ofc God teaches us in the most elaborate and mysterious ways.
I love history, fascinating stuff, thank you for sharing, love your videos. Thank you for doing them.
Thanks for this very interesting. Have you ever considered some episodes comparing the Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire, their rise in power, similarities, and differences?
ottomans sadly took the wrong religion
This was a fun video. I really learned a lot.
Please how ?
Am a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down 😭 of myself because of low finance but I still believe God😞
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$356K monthly is something you should feel differently about....
Lovely! I enjoyed it like I enjoy a $100k monthly around the turn!!!
As always, love the videos. Quick request, if you haven't done one yet. (and if you have my apologies). I would love a video on the lesser known tribes of Italy, like the Umbrian and the Oscan. I myself am a mixture of Umbrian and Oscan descendance and would love to know more about them.
Hey Metatron, nice video, a bit confusing having 3 topics in the same video. By the way if i can suggest a topic for a future one i would like a quick dive of "how the ancient romans (and greeks) use math", so how did they write expressions? How did they work around the concept of zero considering that the zero as number comes from arabic numbers? Are there ancient math text? (I think so considering pitagora). Keep it up! Cheers from Veneto :)
Good morning, found your channel today, thank you. Love from South Africa
The adoption and earliest types of both the gladius hispaniensis and the pugio - since they are both Spanish - would be an interesting video, with their evolution up to the late Republic.
Very interesting! Thank You for the detailed research in to the origins of ancient Romans.
All ancient writers tell us that the origin of those who moved from Thessaly to central Italic peninsula was Pelasg. Then for meanings I would consider Archaic Romanian useful to compare, pinpoint probable meanings of Latin terms. Like Vesta, Vestae, Vestia - to bring news, from the gods or underworld. Ham - harness. Also interesting that Archaic NW Romanian uses H instead of V, so Vestia is Hestia (like goddess), Vulpe - Hulpe, a Fi - a Hi - to be, să Fiu (I to be) - să Hiu, is same with H in Vlah - Aromanian language of south Balkans. Along other words and a common vocabulary.
The region between Thessaly and Pindus mountains, arounds the Axius river, was always indicated as Pelasg homeland and overlaps the Vlach homeland of "Pelagonia" in history.
Italians and Romanians also named Vloch and Vlach by others, but obviosly languages evolved and intertwined within or along different linguist groups in time, in the last more than 3000 years.
Take fore example Pelasg Zeus (of Dodona), Latin retained as Deus, Vlach, Romainian - Zeu - God; Pelasg Tata = Father same in Ro, Vlach/Aro, same pronouns Aiesta - this, Aiasta - that, as in Arch West Romanian and Aromanian; Aphara - Afara - Outside, same in Ro and Aro, Marga - Margă - to Go, same in Arch Ro and Aro, also attested as Getae war cry, meaning Go Go!
Then Latin Harma - retained by English as Harm, to cause damage, by using weapons in Arma, Armae = Arms
While Harmata = Armata, reminder of a solid Romanian clue - ARMA-SAR = WAR HORSE (that Jumps) or SARMIS - Horse Army as in the name of the Dacian/Getae capital SARMISeGETUSSA. Probably meaning Getae Horse Army or Horse Riders of Little GETIA. If double Sd, as diminutive suffixed -ussa, being pronounced -utza.
Archaic Romanian also contains a significant amount of Indo European words sometimes closer to Sanskrit and Baltic, most probably inherited from its IE base language.
There are also interesting Fire derivates and connections
Like Latin ignis - Fire - Italian Fuoco and Romanian Foc, retained by both Italian and Romanian - as to light up. In Romanian also had an interesting evolve, being the name of the old December tradition of IGNAT - Ig-Nat - to light up (fire) at Birth (Christmas).
Who knows how old that is and if not a pre Christian tradition before.
Ignis means same Fire in Baltic languages, closely related to assumingly extinct Daco-Getae and Thracian languages, but also in many aspects and vocabulary to Romanian.
The Archaic Rom - Pară, Pira Focului - Flame of Fire, same as in Aromanian, along Latin related Phlama - Flamă - Flame, derived as Fla-căra - Moving Flame, or Flam-ura - Intense Burning Flame, which could also explain -Ura - as a profound expression of determination or hate.
In the Baltic Sanskrit related Flame category there is the Archaic Romanian and Arch Moldo Romanian - Lespede, Liespedea - Burner plate, Oven and also Tombstone, like meant to block a burning fire from underground, which corroborated with Sanskrit Liespn and Baltic Liespna - Flame, means exactly that - Flame / Fire blocker.
There are many clues that there is a lot more than a Latin derived base.
A very good video. You did very well in presenting what must be termed an "amalgamated origin", i.e. a combination of etruscan, celtic, latin, greek indo-european series of threads for 'achaic rome'. But you may want to delve into incredibly important aspects of "duty & virtue" of roman culture, history & society ... as it complements the religious & militarist facets of roman life along with it's patriarchal basis & nature. Very good presentation, top shelf. 👌🏼
The real ancient Romans are the friends we make along the way.
Come on, Metatron! We appreciate all your videos! Do not worry about that, just make more!
I was a Classicist - for one year in college. I love the subject, but I am so poor at learning languages that I eventually had to change to anthropology and archaeology. Not that I ever made a career as an archaeologist as I’d hoped, but I will say that cultural anthropology has served me greatly in working with people from around the world.
Ciao! Could you include in your future video plans about the Sereníssima? I'm Brazilian and I live in the city of Antônio Prado, the most Italian city in Brazil. Here the majority are descendants of immigrants from the Veneto region and the city's second official language is "Talian", a language spoken in the Veneto region in Italy. For example, my father practically only speaks Talian. The idea of the video would be to explain the reason for the idea of separatism in this region, because as I am obtaining my Italian citizenship, studying the language and culture, I realized that there is this feeling of separatism, and the Talian, as it is called here , is not a dialect, but a language. Best regards!
All sources say it is just a dialect of venetian. Lol
It is close to Trachian- Bulgarian,Slavic but not Latin
great job on this video! it really sheds light on a fascinating topic. but honestly, i feel like the role of the Etruscans is often downplayed in discussions about the Latins and the Romans. they had such a huge influence, and it seems like many people overlook that part of the story. what do you all think?
The Indo-Europeanization of Europe did not mean total destruction of the previous cul-
tural achievement, but consisted in an amalgamation (hybridization) of racial and cultural phenomena. Linguistically, the process may (and must) be regarded in a similar way: the Indo-Europeans imposed an idiom which itself then adopted certain elements from the autochthonous languages spoken previously. These non-Indo-European (pre-IE) elements are numerous in Greek, Latin, and arguably, Thracian.
Genetics proves this too btw
Gay indos
Yes.. and Metatron often breaks the modern myths of "invasions" (by Greeks, Romans, Goths etc..) which are often regarded with a relatively modern view of brutal forced assimilation (like conquerors imposing their way of life, culture, language, religions), though in classical period it was more stricly territorial conquest (and tax paying, eiher in money or food or materials such as gold or other minerals) in which conquered people were inspired by the way of living of the conquerers and starts to imitate them (like Gallo-Romans for example). And conqerers alos sometimes took some stuff (more advanced) from conquered like he explans with Roman military equipment, which took from Gauls, Celts, Iberians and Greeks..
Not racial. They were all the same kind of human.
@@jarlnils435Depends on what you mean.
Amazing work you do sir!
Hooray! We're back to original content. So much better than sniping at or complimenting the work of others.
Based. Metatron is at his best when he's delving into the sources and telling it like it was without any fear of what the haters may say
The reaction content is great
the term ‘work’ used for such things as ‘this man’s work’ usually implies something that is actually good, a positive intonation. When he is criticizing abominations of scholarship, he doesn’t say that he is criticizing ‘their work’. Because it absolutely isn’t a work. The people he criticizes are just blasphemous fools.
Great video with content i did not know i needed
Metatron, you are an excellent scholar and teacher.
Great content as always. 👍🏾👍🏾
My close online buddies and I made a Samnite group on ROBLOX over the course of like five or six years and I, at least, personally started to study pre-Italic Italy (if you could call it that!) with the mass migrations of peoples from Gaul, Doggerland, and the UK; it's fascinating stuff to think that there were originally people in Britain that crossed through Doggerland to now mainland Europe that then mass migrated across the continent to Asia.
So stoked for this one
Cool! Spotted the C64 in the back ground.
Thanks!
The Reacts Attract - The Knowledge Sustains
Back on form, an excellent video.
"Lātus" made me think about the Italian way of saying "in senso lato", which means "in broader terms"... I guess it doesn't mean "side
First time seeing your video. I greatly enjoyed watching and learning !!!!
Thank you so much! New episode just came out today!
great video. You should make a series looking at the origins of greeks, Phoenicians, jews, Persians
Couldn't do one on jews because 80% of the video would be fictional...
@@IbnRushd-mv3fp i'm pretty sure the jewish holy book is older than islam by 2000 years
I like that you pointed out the meaning of the word Etomology.
I love that science and use the word often.
It amazes me how many people try to correct me saying it's the study of insects.
😅
Fortress of Lugh, made a video about this just 10 days ago.
Literally up next in my playlist, Metatron is my go-to on Roman history because his sources & expertise seriously check out, but FoL is great at narrative exposition without reading off wikipedia. Both offer me something different, so I love when they overlap in content.
These days he either "reacts" or trawls the platform looking for ideas from other creators that he can then jump on.
Great video. I will join the others who say we like this better than the reaction videos (though those are also fun). I'd be interested in hearing more about the legend of lupa capitolina in the future parts.
"Vergil"s portrait at 2:51 is clearly Octavianus Agustus....
Que capo Metatron, este es contenido del bueno. Un saludo de Argentina!
Raf, this is the first time I heard that the ancient Latins were not Italic. Latins were an Indo-European population that spoke an Italic language, as such they're part of the ethnolinguistic group of the Italic peoples, why you say they weren't Italic? Am I missing something?
I'm speaking about the linguistic macro groups. I probably should have specified it better but I was dividing the Veneto-Latino-Siculi including the Latino-Faliscanis which are one group, from the Italic or Osco-Umbrian, Sabellic which is a separate group. People often conflate the two and use Italic for all but considering these people reached the Italian peninsula with a difference of a full century it would be more correct to consider them separate. Thanks
@@metatronyt Indeed I was missing something, now it's clear. Thank you for the explanation!
@@metatronyt Italic is usually used to refer to the unified Latino-Sabellic group, not just Sabellic
Most scholars today do support the existence of Proto-Italic (as in Latino-Sabellic)
And I've seen more scholars today instead doubt the position of Venetic, be it Italic itself, closely related to Italic or an entirely separate Western Indo-European branch
Relevant sources:
Weiss, M. (2022) ‘Italic’, in T. Olander (ed.) The Indo-European Language Family. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 114-134.
Wigman, A.M. (2023) Unde venisti? The Prehistory of Italic through its Loanword Lexicon
The second source is a dissertation focused on the spread of Italic based on linguistics, but also citing archaeology and genetics
Indo european my ass
@@IbnRushd-mv3fp Indo-European languages are for sure related, mainstream scholars have no doubt about that
The interesting thing to me is chain mail is probably more time consuming and costly to make but segmentata armour is more effective ! Pure genius
The Beauty and Excellence of the Mediterranean Race... The true Europeans
Indoeuroeans are race, Mediterranean is a mix without one folk
@@szymonbaranowski8184 What you say is interesting, but if the most famous man in Italy, Leonardo Da Vinci, had an Italian father and a Middle Eastern mother, it makes me think that not everything is as you say.
wow this was very interesting video. keep up the good work
did i miss something? what is the origin of latins/ancient romans? did he actually answer it? lol i feel like an idiot some times when i watch these videos.
I love this type of videos much more than "dealing wit drama".
How about a video on how hispanics call themselves Latin?
I've been schooling people for decades on this issue. I tell hispanic people all the time -you are not Latin ....only Italians are Latin
Many don’t want to be labeled in either of those ways. Many people with Mexican ancestry are 50%+ Native American. Clever strategy to label them as foreigners when they are indigenous to America. One reason why Mexican Spanish is different by incorporating Mesoamerican/ Nahuatl words in their vocabulary.
@@scipioafricanus9694We don’t want to be called Hispanic either. All those political labels forced on us need to be retired.
@@azborderlands if youre not hispanic, then what are you?
@@scipioafricanus9694Spanish is a Latin language.
Always interested in dedicated videos on origins of names for things, armor, weaponry, and so on
WRONG. Jupiter himself came down from the heavens in a flying saucer (shaped like a giant pizza pie) to lay the first stone. source: The Alienid
I agree it was most definitely Aliens 👽 ancient aliens confirms this
Operation Mockingbird.
You're hilarious 😐😒😑😕🫤
IF YOU THINK YOU ARE FUNNY, YOU ARE WRONG.😮😮😮
@@AyaGumede I find ancient aliens 👽 and the pyramids are actually big batteries 🪫 particularly hilarious 😹
Awesome! A Christmas video 🎄!
Beautiful work mate thankyou
I often think about the conflict between incoming IndoEuropean speakers and resident Neolithic farmers that led to groups like the Latins. The fact that the Etruscans went on speaking a non-IE language but still had steppe Y-DNA is fascinating.