Fadal VMC-10 CNC Cutting Demo
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2024
- I've had a lot of people email me asking whether they should look at buying a Fadal for their own workshops... A common question is whether or not the older Fadals can deal with modern 3D contouring and high speed machining toolpaths.
This video shows my Fadal VMC10 ripping up some tool steel using a variety of tools and toolpaths, including adaptive roughing, helical boring, 3D contouring and so on!
This CNC machine (which I affectionately refer to as Milly) has served me very well, it's not the fastest machine in the world (especially the tool changes) but it is simple. robust, and capable! Especially for a machine built in 1994.
-Aaron
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Great to have you back Aaron, been a while since the last vid! Keep em coming mate your early videos got me into knife making. Thanks for all the tips 😉👍🏼
Yeah, too long! Thanks mate, will do! Hopefully next year I'll have more time to make videos!
@@GoughCustom No, it seems like you do not have time to make more videos this year!
Love the editing on this. Simple, clean shows the work and there's no added fluff, in a way beautiful. Just like the knives.
Thanks for posting Aaron.
Thanks very much mate, very glad you liked it! I had a specific goal which was to show the full process so others can get a feel for what it's really like to have one of these machines running... Funnily enough it was actually one of the easiest videos I've ever had to edit as there simply wasn't much to do 😂
I like how you've put the details of the steel, machine, etc. It's like watching how it's made. Really transparent on how made your knives and very relaxing on watching the process
Thanks very much mate, glad you liked the video!
thanks for being so transparent about your process aaron. this kind of thing really helps a lot of people out when people aren't completely secretive.
Thanks for being appreciative of that! It definitely goes against the grain for a lot of people, but I think it helps people see what goes into my knives, and it always opens up opportunities for me to learn as well!
Thank you for uploading!
Always enjoyable to watch all your content.
No worries Robert, glad you liked it!
Amazing as always. I remember you painstakingly restoring that "piece of junk" to this mean machine that's now helping you scale your business. Excellent stuff!
Thanks very much Brian! Yeah 'Milly' has become a huge asset!
Cool stuff, I always look for your video's! Very interesting!
Thanks mate!
Glad to see a new video Aaron!!! Looks like you've really got the Fadal dialed in!
Thanks very much Mark!
Nice to see you back . Great to get a vid from you Merry Christmas .
Thanks bud, to you too!
Merry Christmas, Aaron, good to see you're still kickin' it.
Thanks bud, yeah still alive :) Merry Christmas to you too!
Welcome back! Nice video of your terrific tool!
Thanks very much Rick!
Glad to see you making a new vid. I's been too long! Cheers and Merry Christmas. Jim M. Weatherford, Tx.
Thanks Jim, to you too mate!
That's was very satisfying to watch.
Thanks Russ!
Love this! Please upload more videos!
Thanks Felipe! I am hoping I will have more time to make videos next year!
I can't wait to see! I love how you did all this process by your own! Excelent job!
Milly is looking fresh! She’s doing some awesome work for you.
Thanks mate! Yeah it has been really awesome to have her in the shop!
Glad you're back!!
Thanks Joe! I'll be around for a while yet :)
Awesome job...and like seeing a new video....
Thanks very much Tim!
So glad to see this notification! I hope 2018 has been great and 2019 will allow you to make more videos.
Thanks mate, very kind of you! 2018 has been pretty crazy on a lot of fronts, but also lots of big improvements, and lots of big decisions and thinking going on! Part of the plan for 2019 is more time for everything, here's hoping it works out!
Keep posting vids on what you've been up to. I was missing you. Cheers,
Thanks mate, I will hopefully have more time to make videos next year!
Love it, nice job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Love your work. like how you share. Just subscribed
Thanks very much mate!
It's been a year since the last video, it's nice to see something new from your kitchen again ... I see some improvements in the CNC process. I am a big fan of your work, and your knife design is so perfect... Clean drop point blade without some unnecessary multipurpose features, but still high performance beast of a knife... I hope you don't mind, I made a reproduction of your knife for myself using some stainless steel, It works fine, but I believe it's not even close to be as good as yours... Your knifes are excellent, but still pretty pricey for me 'cause I live in poor country of Bosnia :D Good to see you back, stay sharp mate... and Happy Hoidaze. Cheers.
Thanks for the kind comment mate! Making a knife for yourself is totally fine, as long as knives of my design won't be sold! I am proud that you would want to make your own version of my knife, and glad that you did! Hopefully next year I will have a lot more videos for you!
hot damn that 5 flute is doing work
(sounds great!)
Haha yeah it is a beast of a tool that thing! I am considering swapping it out for a 1/2" 8 flute to accelerate that cut even more!
As ever - great work..!
Thanks mate!
You need 4 of these yesterday. I want one lol.
I have already bought another two :) just waiting to find a bigger shop to put them in! Looking to ramp up this year!
Sucks I couldn’t get one of your last batch of knives! Merry Christmas man!
Sorry to hear that bud, treat it was a bit crazy. Hopefully I'll be able to improve the situation next year! Merry Christmas to you too!
YES ! You're back ! :)
Haha, thanks mate! Sorry for being quiet this year, has been a bit crazy!
Wohooo new absolut impressiv and cool Video
It was why to long from The last one
Thanks! I agree it was too long! Hopefully next year I will have more time to make videos!!
@@GoughCustom that would be awesome i Love your work und follow you so longe.
Looking forward For many great stuff
I’ve said it in the past and I’ll say it again, I like your modern production method as it offers very high precision over any imaginary benefits from doing it all by hand.
Here’s the reason why CNC knives are objectively better than stock removal by hand-
The number one problem (heat treatments aside which is a subject in itself) with modern “handmade” knives (i.e., stock removal) is asymmetrical grinds, uneven lines, and blade warpage. These clowns - and I can name a few highly popular “semi-custom” companies, simply don’t seem to care about it as it passes their “QC” and is placed in stores for sale. Many such products exist in stores when they should have been written off and recycled but weren’t as by that time too much work and money has been placed in the piece due to backwards assembly methods due to “knife makers” who don’t know as much as they’d like the consumer to think. Concerning heat treatments-the vast majority of owners of such knives don’t actually use them so they don’t notice the problems which are obvious to an actual knife user; and when problems are seldom noticed by the company’s fanboy shills they write it off with justifications such as “it’s just a lemon” and “it’s bound to happen occasionally...return it for warranty-their warranty is solid”. Well, no, it isn’t as if lemons pass QC then it isn’t QC at all; the QC doesn’t actually exist if asymmetrical warped blades are going out to customers.
When profit is the number one motive in producing a product then the product fails on many levels.
So, at the end of this I’ll say- I’d gladly buy one of your knives knowing it would have no quality issues upon receipt.(I plan to buy one eventually)
You should be proud of your work and product, Aaron.
Thanks very much mate! I agree that QC is super important, I know I can never be perfect but I can strive for as close as possible ;) process reject rate is something I keep a very close eye on, and I firmly believe that consistency is one of the most important things I need to achieve. If everything is consistent then I can push my materials as far as possible, and I can avoid whole classes of problems while also making my own life a lot easier... Glad to hear you would buy one! Another thing I firmly believe in is customer service, if something ever gives wrong with a knife it will be my number one priority to get a replacement to that customer ASAP, Ave to work out what went wrong when I get it back. To that end I actually keep one of each style of blade and handle on have ready to go at all times, if I need to I can assemble a replacement knife for a customer and have it shipped within just a couple of hours. I think this goes hand in hand with quality assurance!
Gough Custom
Indeed.
And you’re very welcome, Aaron.
When are you doing another shop tour. I come to Toronto a lot and would enjoy seeing it
Hey mate! I haven't really done any official shop tours yet, but I would like to start doing them soon! Once the new workshop is in a good state, likely within a few months!
This is a sight for sore eyes
Glad to hear mate! I am setting things in motion for next year and I plan for a big part of that to be more time for prototyping and videos!
@@GoughCustom thats good to hear, hope your doing well
Thanks mate, hope you are too!
Very cool!
Thanks Jim!
Hey! I'm built in 1994 and I don't consider myself that old! But I'm quite simple, robust and capable too.
Haha I'm older than that so don't take it too personally. Not sure if I'm still robust though :)
I love my old Fadal, really the only that I've found it won't do is fast tool changes = )
Haha, yes that sounds accurate!
Oof, beautiful! Are you still using that custom made pneumatic press? Would be cool to see a short video about it! :)
Thanks mate! Yeah I still use the press all the time! My girlfriend nicknamed it "Squishy" lol... I will bear that in mind for a future video!
How is your Fadal holding up? Any suprises since the rebuild? Keep the videos coming they are great to watch and learn.
Pretty well overall I'd say! The only surprise has been that the spindle drive went bad recently, but this machine was fitted with a Mitsubishi Freqrol drive which was notoriously the least reliable of all the spindle drives that Fadal used, so I knew it was going to go at some point!
Great to see your Fadal performing so capably! Can I ask what you're using for CAD/CAM software?
Thanks! I use Fusion 360 for everything
@@GoughCustom Thanks!
Thanks so much for posting this!
Have you upgraded any of the cards? Say to the -5a card? How are you getting programs into the machine, Calmotion USB or dripping via DNC? Very interested in your set-up as I'm looking at getting a smaller older 97+ Fadal like a 3016 or 2216, maybe even VMC15xt and running some modern HSM-esque paths on it out of fusion or mastercam
Hey mate! This machine has a -4 CPU and the only upgrade I have done is to install a Calmotion DNC box which works really well, couldn't live without that! I run all my programs via DNC with no issues.
@@GoughCustom Thanks so much!
damn seeing this process really makes me want to buy your knife, too bad I'm never fast enough to make an order
Glad you liked the video! Hopefully next year I will be making more knives which should make them easier to get... I'm also looking at moving to a system of scheduled releases so everyone will know when the knives are going to be ready!
Nice!!!!!
Thanks!
someday i'll buy a knife from you,my first inspiration!
Thanks mate, would love to make you one!
Do you find the maritool good for dry machining .on the first operation what clamps do you use .i am very impressed with the dry machining
The clamps on the first operation are called 'pitbull clamps'. And yeah I've had great experience with tools from Maritool and dry machining. All their AITiN coated tools are designed for dry machining!
Gough Custom thanks for the information very good of you .
That's awesome. Can I ask what kind of tooling you are using and what kind of life you get ?
Hey mate! The details of all the tooling should be listed in the video, please let me know if something is missing so I can fill in the details for you! Tool life for this exact process is unknown as of yet as it's something I've only just setup
Hi Aaron, I'm saving up money to get one of your knives but I have one question. Is there a posibility to have red liners on Resolute MkIII? I checked on your site and I didn't see that.
Hey mate! I have the orange liners at the moment but not a darker red yet unfortunately... I can certainly add that in the future!
Man you're really not messing around with those speeds and feeds
Haha no sir! Normally I run fairly conservatively, but this operation is going to have me standing in front of it waiting for parts, so the faster the better!
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They definitely work well!
Aaron, please post more videos
Hey Miquel! Hopefully you saw the newer videos that I've posted over the last couple of months? I'm hoping to post one video per month going forward!
You have used fusion to program the machine?
That's correct!
Parabéns ! Muito bom.
Thanks very much!
Do you not normally run it with any coolant?
Airflow it seems.
Not required when cutting carbon steel. Besides it'd make a huge mess w/o an enclosure.
@@Steve_Just_Steve Hehe that's true. And the cuts don't look too aggressive anyway and with relatively short toolpaths maybe the tools aren't getting too hot anyway. Thanks for the reply.
I run everything dry as my tools are coated specifically for running dry, and as Steve said it would make a lot of mess to run coolant without the enclosure! Also worth noting the are actually pretty aggressive cutting parameters for A2! They are just well dialed in so they don't seem that aggressive... Carbon steel is not sticky which is one of the main reasons you end up needing coolant.
Gough Custom Sweet - that makes sense. Yeah by the sound and the look of the chips your recipe seems very well dialed in.
are you drip feeding the code into the machine? I’m considering buy a fadal but don’t know a lot about these new machines. I like to program with modern tool paths.
Yeah I'm drip feeding the code using a Calmotion DNC box, works pretty seamlessly with the code on a USB stick!
Only thing i could suggest is predrilling start locations for the adaptives instead of helical ramp.
Yeah that would definitely save some time! Only problem is the toolchanger on this machine is very small (only 16 tools) so adding another tool would cause problems!
Will it be possible to order a knife this year?
Absolutely! I will have another round of orders opening in July most likely
Sweet .
Thanks Mike!
Definitely a benefit to a single model production knife-maker. Bet that thing can go all day banging out knife after knife, and the time and money saved not having to send out the design to the water jet company, I bet has paid for that machine a few times over already. I am going to guess a minimum 25 knives a week completed and ready for sale Aaron?
Hey mate! Yeah it has definitely been a great machine so far! Milling produces edge finishes that are miles better than waterjet as well, I can hold really close tolerances which is the biggest benefit!
I wish I was making 25 knives a week! So far my productivity record is 20 knives per month, lots of work still goes into every knife! Working on refining things further this year.
Will water jet cutting give similar results?
The results from waterjet are not even close unfortunately... I have tried waterjet in the past hoping it would make things quicker but the quality and accuracy of the cut is really not very good. The edges are always tapered and the edges look like they've been heavily sandblasted... You have to re-finish every cut edge anyway which takes a lot of time. Also the size/location of holes made with waterjet is not very accurate either, so those have to be re-done too... Milling like I show in the video is on another level!
Where did you learn all of your CNC skills? I am new to CNC as a hobby and it seems you have come a very long way in a relatively short time. Did you take a course or are you mostly self-taught?
define "cnc skills" because what he's here doing is fairly basic (not to sound arrogant or anything lol)
Yes, nothing here is too complicated, but getting to this level is still a steep learning curve for a novice! I am self taught and I think the biggest thing that will help you improve is to get cheap materials to cut so you can make a lot of different 'widgets' as needed and learn as you go.
For reference I have been using CNC in one way or another fairly regularly for the last 6 years or so... Before then I had no hands-on experience with CNC.
Fusion 360 is a great tool and would be a great place to start if you haven't tried it already!
you could start out by watching john saunders (nyc cnc on youtube) he does great educational videos. he has stuff on how to find a good recipe for the material, fixturing, cad/cam, all the good stuff
you ever thought of making a full knife set for the kitchen? im not really into having a knife on my hip (illegal in australia) but ill pay whatever it costs for a full set like this for the wife!
also another thought, i dont know if you can cnc titanium, but man, your method combined with a titanium blade would actually be the best knife possible?
Hey Nathan! I am indeed looking into a kitchen knife! Likely wouldn't be a set though, more likely just a chef's knife. You can definitely CNC titanium, however titanium does not hold an edge anywhere near as well as the steel I'm currently using unfortunately!
The fine passes starting at 5:00 seem unnecessary if the previous feed speed were slighly slower, especially considering that area is inside the epoxied handle and the blade will be vibrated/tumbled in ceramics anyway.
I try to finish every surface of the knife as though it's a presentation surface, just as a matter of pride mainly.
If only I could buy one :-) hope you can raise your output, both on videos and on knives hahahaha
Thanks mate! I hope I can raise my output on both fronts as well!
I just loved the sound of your spindle. i own a tmp2 haas and ai really hate the sound of the spinfle at more than 3000 rpm its a real piece of crap.
I can't say I've ever heard a TMP spindle running! The direct-drive HAAS machines sound even nicer than this one! I have another Fadal that is VERY noisy, it has a timing belt drive and it makes a lot of noise at high RPM...
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Will we ever see a chef’s knife? A santoku would be nice...
Yes and yes! I actually already have a santoku design that I have been testing for a few years, I will be hopefully bringing that to production after some small design changes soon!
Gotta love seeing kiss marks on fixtures, makes me feel better about my own
budgetary price? $30K USD?
I just bought another 2 of these machines for $3,900 each... My original machine was $6,000.
@@GoughCustom sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit i wish i had the space to put a machine like this somewhere. that price is solid
@@ikbendusan Yeah people are often surprised at how cheap you can get a machine like this... Those prices I listed above are definitely in the 'very good deal' category, but if you were to budget $10k you can get a Fadal any time easy!
Can you sell me only the blade i want to make my own knive please said yes ?
No, sorry mate. I only sell complete knives!
Why 7/16? 1/2 so much more accessible...
It was what I had on hand! I would like to try swapping out out for a 1/2" 8 flute!
@@GoughCustom yes will be much cheaper for production machining. I use de boer xmills daily for A2. With adaptive clearing I've fed at over 100ipm on a small kitamura.
Незнаю почему, но я четыре раза дунул на экран пока смотрел видео...
c u after year
Haha, hopefully not! The plan for next year is definitely to make more time to work on videos!