Channel pans are also used for sub-groups. If you notice on the board buttons labeled "1-2, 3-4" panning left selects buss 1, panning right selects buss 2 and so on. This way you can set up the panning of the drum kit in the Front of House speakers (or a recording mix) to be the same as the position of the instruments in the drum kit. Sub 1 = left Sub 2 = Right. Yes, you can pan all the of channels left and put the drum kit on sub 1. It should come out both L+R. Hope that helps.
Wait, so is subgroup 1 ultimately heard on both the left and right speakers, or is subgroup 1 automatically routed to the left channel and subgroup 2 is routed to the right channel?
I'm an audio student with the Art Institute of Seattle. We haven't even began with mixing yet, and as far as books goes: Modern Recording Techniques 7th edition, Audio dictionary, Eargle's Microphone book - none of which cover how to do stereo sub-mixing. Hence, that's why I asked these questions, and as far as the 8 times the drums are recorded - it's a question that our professor threw to us to answer.
Ah, interesting. I don't know why he would ask that if you don't know mixing yet. So the board you mentioned, is that what the school is using in their analog recording studio? By the way, I am in Spokane. Studied music in at the local level. It included analog and digital recording as part of the course. I got better after the fact in the field and doing home recording. I think I had the same book MRT's. Sounds familiar. That was a long time ago. Once you stereo panning setup for the drummer using the 8 buses however you wish, you would then record the drummers part 8 times, live. I wouldn't try that without an impeccable drummer with intense timing skills. LOL!
Yeah, we use a Mackie 32x8 In studio B. I'm not sure what the others studios have, since I haven't been in school too long. This is just my third quarter. I'm still confused as to how to record the set-up I have on my work-sheet to record to tracks 3&4 and then other pairs of tracks. I have my kick on channel 1 equally panned on the channel ouput section, and going to bus faders 1-2, then my snare top and bottom are equally panned and going to bus faders 3&4. I left the other 6 channels alone from any panning in the channel output section but I have their faders on the channel output at unity gain, and I have their panning in Mix-B assigned to how I hear them in the room (virtually on paper not in an actual room).
Can't really be much much help since I am not there, not familiar with the setup. Not informed on what you guys are supposed to be doing. Maybe you guys should be discussing it with other classmates to encourage teamwork? You're dead in the water without that in this business. Have fun and don't get too tensed out over it. I don't want to point you in the wrong direction, as I don't know the class outline and all that. Good Luck!
Crazy question. On the yahama mixer, I'm running out of the 2 outputs (mains out) to my power amp then on to the main speakers, running it in stereo. Ok, how do I do the monitors? It shows monitors out on the owners manual, is it done the same way as the mains, and, what knobs controls all this. Please help. Thanks
I have another video on running monitors using the Aux sends. All of those aux send controls on the channels, yeah, they set up another mix for monitors. Check out my other videos in Audio Tech. It's only a mess until you get some training. lol Hang in there!
On a Mackie 32x8 how would you accomplish a Stereo Sub-Mix? I have 11 channels and 8 bus faders. I have kick drums on 1, Snare top on 2, Snare bottom on 3, Toms on channels 4-6, Over head left on 7, Over head right on 8, Hat on channel 9, Ride on channel 10, and Room microphone on channel 11. From my understanding in your video and for my set-up (since I don't have "group buttons or group faders") I would bus channels 2-3 to say Bus fader 1, then my toms to Bus faders 2. But here's something that's interesting though. On my track sheet I have two tracks. On track 3 I have Drums L - Take 1, and Track 4 is Drums R - Take 1. The musicians have decided that they would like their drummer to play the same part 8 times in order to simulate the sound of 8 drummers playing at the same time. They still want to use the traditional 'many mic' set-up to make this happen. A stereo-sub mix is to be used in a pair of tracks, starting with tracks 3&4. Once the first set is completed, continuing on to the next set of tracks. How do I even accomplish this?
The 8 faders 1-8 are your subgroups, the buttons numbered 1-8 next to your channel faders are the subgroup assign buttons. Pan your drums the way the audience would see the kit. In order to sound like eight drummers you will need to do some other things. Just copying the tracks will only duplicate the tracks = wasted tracks. It will not sound like 8 separate drummers. Why do that anyway? You need to use delayed sequencing, very small shifts in the playback tracks. If you didn't know that you had the subgroups, you don't know enough about recording to even make this attempt. You need to understand how your gear works way before recording people. Get some books and start learning mixing first. Start with your owners manual for the board. Please don't read these comments as harsh, just trying to help.
Use the pan control on the channel to select which numbered buss you want that channel to be assigned to. Ex, L = buss 1 The pan control only acts as a pan control when the channel is assigned to the L-R buss. At least that will get you started. Good Luck!
Depends on what you're mixing. If you are mixing for a quartet in a club with backing tracks you can adjust the volume of the whole group against the tracks with one fader once you have the vocalists mixed. Just makes life easier.
Thanks man, bought a mixer , and was still not grasping how the sub grouping, makes good sence after watching your video. Appreciate it.
Awesome! All I want to do is help people learn how to do their craft. Thanks for the comment!
Thank you so much for explaining that to me. Now i understand how that works.
You are so welcome!
Channel pans are also used for sub-groups. If you notice on the board buttons labeled "1-2, 3-4" panning left selects buss 1, panning right selects buss 2 and so on. This way you can set up the panning of the drum kit in the Front of House speakers (or a recording mix) to be the same as the position of the instruments in the drum kit. Sub 1 = left Sub 2 = Right. Yes, you can pan all the of channels left and put the drum kit on sub 1. It should come out both L+R. Hope that helps.
Wait, so is subgroup 1 ultimately heard on both the left and right speakers, or is subgroup 1 automatically routed to the left channel and subgroup 2 is routed to the right channel?
great info and very well explained. thank you
Thank you sir tht was a great help. I did sound for a small group without a floor monitor and they were not happy singing.
You're welcome ☺
Thanks for this video it helps me a lot!!! 😁😁
Thanks man! this video may help solve a problem I've had!
I'm an audio student with the Art Institute of Seattle. We haven't even began with mixing yet, and as far as books goes: Modern Recording Techniques 7th edition, Audio dictionary, Eargle's Microphone book - none of which cover how to do stereo sub-mixing. Hence, that's why I asked these questions, and as far as the 8 times the drums are recorded - it's a question that our professor threw to us to answer.
Ah, interesting. I don't know why he would ask that if you don't know mixing yet. So the board you mentioned, is that what the school is using in their analog recording studio? By the way, I am in Spokane. Studied music in at the local level. It included analog and digital recording as part of the course. I got better after the fact in the field and doing home recording. I think I had the same book MRT's. Sounds familiar. That was a long time ago. Once you stereo panning setup for the drummer using the 8 buses however you wish, you would then record the drummers part 8 times, live. I wouldn't try that without an impeccable drummer with intense timing skills. LOL!
Yeah, we use a Mackie 32x8 In studio B. I'm not sure what the others studios have, since I haven't been in school too long. This is just my third quarter. I'm still confused as to how to record the set-up I have on my work-sheet to record to tracks 3&4 and then other pairs of tracks.
I have my kick on channel 1 equally panned on the channel ouput section, and going to bus faders 1-2, then my snare top and bottom are equally panned and going to bus faders 3&4. I left the other 6 channels alone from any panning in the channel output section but I have their faders on the channel output at unity gain, and I have their panning in Mix-B assigned to how I hear them in the room (virtually on paper not in an actual room).
Can't really be much much help since I am not there, not familiar with the setup. Not informed on what you guys are supposed to be doing. Maybe you guys should be discussing it with other classmates to encourage teamwork? You're dead in the water without that in this business. Have fun and don't get too tensed out over it. I don't want to point you in the wrong direction, as I don't know the class outline and all that. Good Luck!
Very informative! was messing around my mixer and i was pushing the wrong buttons! lol
Well said. me too 😊
Nice
If you need additional monitor mixes, you can use the subgroup too.
Hey man thanks for the explanation, cheers!
Well explained 😂
thanks!
Thanks!
Thank you!
Are all channels goes to same speakers?
Depends on what you are doing, but yes generally for mixing a live show.
so do the subgroups still go to the front of house or a separate output
Crazy question. On the yahama mixer, I'm running out of the 2 outputs (mains out) to my power amp then on to the main speakers, running it in stereo. Ok, how do I do the monitors? It shows monitors out on the owners manual, is it done the same way as the mains, and, what knobs controls all this. Please help. Thanks
I have another video on running monitors using the Aux sends. All of those aux send controls on the channels, yeah, they set up another mix for monitors. Check out my other videos in Audio Tech. It's only a mess until you get some training. lol Hang in there!
So, once your faders are set and assigned to a subgroup, can you go back and make individual volume adjustments?
Yes no problem.
On a Mackie 32x8 how would you accomplish a Stereo Sub-Mix? I have 11 channels and 8 bus faders. I have kick drums on 1, Snare top on 2, Snare bottom on 3, Toms on channels 4-6, Over head left on 7, Over head right on 8, Hat on channel 9, Ride on channel 10, and Room microphone on channel 11.
From my understanding in your video and for my set-up (since I don't have "group buttons or group faders") I would bus channels 2-3 to say Bus fader 1, then my toms to Bus faders 2.
But here's something that's interesting though. On my track sheet I have two tracks. On track 3 I have Drums L - Take 1, and Track 4 is Drums R - Take 1. The musicians have decided that they would like their drummer to play the same part 8 times in order to simulate the sound of 8 drummers playing at the same time. They still want to use the traditional 'many mic' set-up to make this happen. A stereo-sub mix is to be used in a pair of tracks, starting with tracks 3&4. Once the first set is completed, continuing on to the next set of tracks.
How do I even accomplish this?
The 8 faders 1-8 are your subgroups, the buttons numbered 1-8 next to your channel faders are the subgroup assign buttons. Pan your drums the way the audience would see the kit. In order to sound like eight drummers you will need to do some other things. Just copying the tracks will only duplicate the tracks = wasted tracks. It will not sound like 8 separate drummers. Why do that anyway? You need to use delayed sequencing, very small shifts in the playback tracks. If you didn't know that you had the subgroups, you don't know enough about recording to even make this attempt. You need to understand how your gear works way before recording people. Get some books and start learning mixing first. Start with your owners manual for the board. Please don't read these comments as harsh, just trying to help.
Use the pan control on the channel to select which numbered buss you want that channel to be assigned to. Ex, L = buss 1 The pan control only acts as a pan control when the channel is assigned to the L-R buss. At least that will get you started. Good Luck!
thank u very clear explan........
Thank you :)
Is subgrub option necessary on 8 channel mixer? For live
Depends on what you're mixing. If you are mixing for a quartet in a club with backing tracks you can adjust the volume of the whole group against the tracks with one fader once you have the vocalists mixed. Just makes life easier.
Can I use subs for monitoring?
Studio yes live no.
Thanks!