@@dantethunderstone2118 The guy that looked like Seth Rogen barely lifted off the ground. But its still impressive to move that much weight. I'm not hating on anyone.
At this point, I'm just going to learn the splits and break the world record... Maybe then the rules will change. Maybe I missed it, but i didnt see anything stating the weight must leave the ground. It only talks about being locked out. So just spread those legs and lock out fully.
I don’t care what anybody says that sumo dead lift is a different lift. The range of movement is ridiculously small. I’m not saying they’re not strong, but I’m saying it’s a different lift to me. I do with the glasses is lifting the bar like 8 inches when when John is lifting it it’s gotta go a couple of feet.
I agree that it's a different lift though it's still very funny how much people overestimate how much easier sumo is it really isnt more than 30kg added even if you have good leverages for it. Obivously with this crazy bendy bar there is a bigger difference though remember that this bar is not gonna be used at any real powerlifting meet
@@razygdashlifters like Tyson ridenour can pull over 1000 lb sumo but can't even get 700 off the floor conventional. That's a difference of over 300 lb - 140 kg.
@@razygdash even on kabuki deadlift bars it’s more than 30kg if you know how to use it Jamal browner who’s probably the sumo puller with the best conventional deadlift has a 70kg/~15% difference and most sumo pullers aren’t nearly as good at conventional
So glad to see everybody telling it like it is in the comments! Dude in the brown t-shirt does not belong in the same category as John Haack in a million years. That's not a lift, that is NOT a lift, that is a short lever with the weight on his hands, knees are basically locked out when the weight leaves the floor.
Great to see lifters helping lifters/friends. My wife had cancer/chemo (remission now) and the folks that came out of nowhere to help was mind blowing. You will never know how much this means to folks going through tough times.
Now that's impressive. That's like a conventional ROM. Props to him, unlike the other guys who lifted literally 8 inches, cuz the bar bends at the start without having to lift it.
Yeah, I guess I am a little old BUT watching some of these Sumo pulls is painful. With a whippy bar these guys can lock out with plates still touching the ground.
Condolences to Panda and his family man 😢. Wish I could have attended and donated. Awesome he’s still able to lift and still have fun with everyone knowing the circumstances.
try louis cyr of canada feats of strength. louis cyr is still the strongest freak over all in the past 130 years. he did a mini deadlift. just a few inches off the ground of 1897lbs.
What’s the best thing to do for avoiding continual pec strains? my pec seems to knot up when I bring the weight down so when I push back up I rack and take time off but it’s frustrating as fuck!
Not usually one to hate on sumo cuz who fucking cates, but one of the guys literally set up an 8in ROM bounce rep without hitting the single before bouncing… he pulled it 3 inches, bounced it, pulled the slack out again, and then pulled it, used the whip at his knees to fly to lockout, not even a look at holding at the top, just straight back down… you could justify in training as a method of overload maybe, but let’s hope this isn’t on his IG as a pr 💀
@patthiccybro how much is your conventional deadlift when I did a 675 conventional deadlift I was only able to do a 500 sumo deadlift around that time period. I don’t train sumo though that was just randomly to see what it would be.
I get the people clowning on sumo here, but yall need to remember its part of the sport. Even if you consider it a different lift from conventional, which I do as well, it doesn't change the fact that it's part of powerlifting and it's not the lifter's fault they're taking every competitive advantage they legally can.
I still blame lifters. There is a thing called integrity in sport. It’s like bush league baseball. Is it allowed? Yes. But it should be severely frowned upon.
@@dantethunderstone2118 silly argument. Powerlifters need to train their grip in a very specific way for holding barbells in order to prepare for deadlifting without straps (also, John uses mixed grip for deadlifts). Bodybuilders don't, so they can use straps without a detriment to the ultimate goal (gaining mass). Bodybuilders usually also do more reps, straining their grip endurance more.
@@TheJipino it was more of a satirical comment about the tiktok bodybuilders who seem to think it’s impossible to train back without straps and everyone should use them regardless of if they’re training for hypertrophy I’ve never used straps for training back and haven’t had a problem, my back bigger and grip is stronger than any of my friends that use straps
I’m not a fan of sumo but it is legal in power lifting-and anyone attempting 1,000lbs then move it is super strong -I still believe a sumo lift should never be able to break a conventional record as they are not the same-I have yet to see a conventional deadlifter switch to sumo and not add a lot of pounds to their total
thats ridiculous. its all leverages and body anatomy. some people are built for sumo and some for conventional. a lot of very tall and heavy lifters would struggle to lift 75% of their conventional pull on sumo, no matter how much they trained it. as soon as plates are loaded on a stiff bar the playing fields get levelled, its deadlift bars that make these hyper upright no ROM pulls possible and I wish more federations would move away from them. after all, is it really a "dead"lift if the bar is already moving before the pull?
Literally all the best conventional pullers in the world are the perfect example for you, none of them would gain anything from sumo, in fact they are weaker with it. Eddie Hall has stated many times that he wouldn’t even budge 500kg off the ground with sumo. Larry wheels failed a 765 sumo deadlift after pulling 900 conventional, John Haack (the conventional pulled in the video) has said he pull with conventional because he is weaker with sumo. The reality is that people pull what their bone structure and leverages allow, there’s no ultimate technique that’s the best. There’s a reason only 50% of powerlifters do sumo, even at the elite level where they would do ANYTHING to win.
There are 3 things I don’t find impressive in powerlifting, and never will. -sumo -juicers -400lb overweight dudes thinking lifting 200lb over their bw is impressive
I don’t care. 2 guys do say 700. One conventional and one sumo. I think the first guys stronger. And whether you say it or not when someone does a lot dump you always thing “yeah BUT”.
My nuanced take: Sumo without straps is valid. Sumo with straps is not valid. Sumo on a Texas deadlift bar is valid. Sumo on a kabuki bar is not valid.
I know this is for fun. But I feel the lifts should be standardized. There are participants doing powerlifting grips, such as mixed and sumo and the strongman way with double over and straps or sometimes hook grip. And then there are those that are using straps and sumo or mixed, which makes no sense to me. And then there's the guy using the figure 8 straps, which does reduce range of motion. Just too much of a potpourri to take seriously.
Im convinced the people who hate on sumo for the rom advantage have never tried sumo because it is infinitely harder off the floor then conventional, requires mobility and levers most people don't have and targets smaller muscle groups. That being said strong sumo pullers are usually pretty strong conv pullers but almost never the other way around.
no, it’s easier. when my 1RM was a beltless and strapless 695 i had never attempted sumo before. i was messing around one day and after a whole squat routine i pulled 675 sumo without knowing the form other than seeing videos of it and i almost completely locked out. it’s not a coincidence that i could almost tie my conventional PR doing sumo for my first time. i have the videos on my IG
Especially watching the two one after another, you just can’t respect the sumo. It’s just…why even train it as your prime lift? It’s not something anyone respects
I really hate how Social media made idiots follow powerlifting, I miss 2000 and 2010 when I was a kid and I could watch reclusive guys and Russians lift incredible weights
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that sumo pullers lifts are an actual meme, like 12 inches of bar travel, its not even close to the same lift
Which ones get 12 inches of bar travel? That’s more than i usually see
@@dantethunderstone2118 The guy that looked like Seth Rogen barely lifted off the ground. But its still impressive to move that much weight. I'm not hating on anyone.
At this point, I'm just going to learn the splits and break the world record... Maybe then the rules will change. Maybe I missed it, but i didnt see anything stating the weight must leave the ground. It only talks about being locked out. So just spread those legs and lock out fully.
@@Ryan-wx1bi literally this extreme sumo stance is just bent splits, then slightly contract ur legs to lock the knees out lift done
@@xRockee I'm just saying I'll literally not even lift the weight off the ground. Then maybe they will make a change
I don’t care what anybody says that sumo dead lift is a different lift. The range of movement is ridiculously small. I’m not saying they’re not strong, but I’m saying it’s a different lift to me. I do with the glasses is lifting the bar like 8 inches when when John is lifting it it’s gotta go a couple of feet.
Since the mammoth bar is a strongman event, sumo legit does not count on it
Sumo is illegal in strongman
I agree that it's a different lift though it's still very funny how much people overestimate how much easier sumo is it really isnt more than 30kg added even if you have good leverages for it. Obivously with this crazy bendy bar there is a bigger difference though remember that this bar is not gonna be used at any real powerlifting meet
@@razygdashlifters like Tyson ridenour can pull over 1000 lb sumo but can't even get 700 off the floor conventional. That's a difference of over 300 lb - 140 kg.
@@razygdash even on kabuki deadlift bars it’s more than 30kg if you know how to use it
Jamal browner who’s probably the sumo puller with the best conventional deadlift has a 70kg/~15% difference and most sumo pullers aren’t nearly as good at conventional
@@marcopagot9588because they don't train convention. If they did it would be quite close to their sumo
Sumo just needs to be its own category, it is not the same as conventional.
my mind while watching the video: don't let that irritate you, just ignore the sumo, leave a like, go to sleep
you must be the most annoying person to talk to
Agree
@@BBkalvo You must be the sumo guy from the video
@@BBkalvohow’re you gonna pull sumo and play bass? Tryna max out second place huh?
@@BBkalvoI’m not actually hating I play bass too lmao, just not as good as you probably
So glad to see everybody telling it like it is in the comments! Dude in the brown t-shirt does not belong in the same category as John Haack in a million years. That's not a lift, that is NOT a lift, that is a short lever with the weight on his hands, knees are basically locked out when the weight leaves the floor.
Sumo on a bendy bar equals zero ROM
Great to see lifters helping lifters/friends. My wife had cancer/chemo (remission now) and the folks that came out of nowhere to help was mind blowing. You will never know how much this means to folks going through tough times.
Dude. What the hell is that range of motion on that Sumo. 3 inches?
guy in the back with the green shirt knew it was BS
World champion, yet humble and nice guy Mr Haack!
I pull sumo and even I think that’s redicolous 😂that clip at the end though 😂😂
2:15 First REAL Sumo deadlifter 😅
😂
Now that's impressive. That's like a conventional ROM. Props to him, unlike the other guys who lifted literally 8 inches, cuz the bar bends at the start without having to lift it.
lmao 😂😂😂
Yeah, I guess I am a little old BUT watching some of these Sumo pulls is painful. With a whippy bar these guys can lock out with plates still touching the ground.
Ed Coan stance. Perfect
Sumo pull with literally 2inch range of motion
Well than , there's no excuse why you can't do at least a hundred pounds.
@@musicman7297nice try but his point still stands. Sumo isn’t a proper deadlift.
@@MikeHoncho610that’s why I do deficit sumo lol
I do sumo (but the way Coan did, basically a wide conventional), and that sumo didnt even let the bar leave the floor
john failing below the knees with 930 is more impressive than the sumo dude locking out with 930.
what do you mean by "sumo dude" ?
@J_Urban oh shit the gym police is here just act normal
@J_Urban you're right . supra-noodle bar plus split-rack pull is a crime against the gym brotraditions
@J_Urban but 1000 lbs is still impressive thought
@J_Urban i agree
Sorry to hear about Pandas father. Good way to get together, raise some money and help with the process.
This is a great video that displays how much easier it is to sumo deadlift than conventional
Look, if you’re built to pull well in sumo it’s the biggest advantage ever. Definitely a different lift. I tried not to let it irritate me but it did
Awesome video as always John
Elephant bar + sumo almost had me commenting but i just about managed to stop myself
Just smile and wave to the sumo lifters.. smile and wave 🙂👋
Nice bar. Must be fun to lift with. Strong people right there.
I think that bar needs more whip.
Condolences to Panda and his family man 😢. Wish I could have attended and donated. Awesome he’s still able to lift and still have fun with everyone knowing the circumstances.
loving the frequent uploads! keep them coming bro
MW2 noicccceeeee
These conventional pulls are impressive asf🔥🔥🔥
Bro that sumo guy perfeeeected the movent. Cudos to him. No hater in comments could pull 1k under the same conditions
try louis cyr of canada feats of strength. louis cyr is still the strongest freak over all in the past 130 years. he did a mini deadlift. just a few inches off the ground of 1897lbs.
Lmao the launch into the stratosphere moment though. 🦈
Loved watching this, great energy, cause and great people❤️
What is that song at 3:26? It's driving me crazy trying to remember what that is from back in the day.
It's kinda cute seeing that in 2024 there are still people triggered about sumo, as if ROM is what dictates max strength 😂
Your strengt is absolutely insane... All that weight while still maintaining a low boddy fat incredibly impressive
Insane editing from @12:00
Had some fun making that one
Johns failed lift moves further than the 1000lbs sumo attempt (which didn’t look locked out)
Yea he didn’t quite lock out the 1000lbs
11:51 Launched into the stratosphere 😂😂😂
Man great to see that everyone in the comment section is being so positive and not being dicks in this memorial video for John's friends dad :|
What’s the best thing to do for avoiding continual pec strains? my pec seems to knot up when I bring the weight down so when I push back up I rack and take time off but it’s frustrating as fuck!
Not usually one to hate on sumo cuz who fucking cates, but one of the guys literally set up an 8in ROM bounce rep without hitting the single before bouncing… he pulled it 3 inches, bounced it, pulled the slack out again, and then pulled it, used the whip at his knees to fly to lockout, not even a look at holding at the top, just straight back down… you could justify in training as a method of overload maybe, but let’s hope this isn’t on his IG as a pr 💀
Its the whip that threw him into the stratosphere. Cant pul that fast with a bar that tensil strength
It's all about family John. Thanks for sharing. Cheers!
Mr.hack if and when you pull 1000 lb on the deadlift you will be remembered as the greatest raw powerlifting of all time!
Please for the love of god, can we classify sumo as a separate lift???
I'm here for the shooting star meme
Where I can buy that barbell ?
4:55 that knee is terrifying
I obviously couldn’t lift that sumo but jesus christ the range of motion
lots of love to panda and his family
I see Weta FX must have done the editing for buddy going through space
How is this 3 inch rack pull even compared to john's real deadlift?
18 Inch DL is more impressive than Sumo.
beard looks great john
sumo DL are really a joke lmao. nobody was even cheering for the guy after he was lifting .
@patthiccybro how much is your conventional deadlift when I did a 675 conventional deadlift I was only able to do a 500 sumo deadlift around that time period. I don’t train sumo though that was just randomly to see what it would be.
Sumo elephant bar deadlift is the trumpest thing i ever seen
I pull sumo and the ginger with straps pissed me off lol
I started pulling sumo after I transitioned to non-binary.
❤ great video!!!
who makes this bar?
Panda has excellent sumo technique for someone his size
What shoes do you use to deadlift?
Avancus
They should regulate how wide you can place your feet relative to your height on sumo
Sumoan guy is solid
Wtf is up with the sumo deadlift 😂 90% locked out before the bar leaves the ground 😂
That one sumo lifter is just cringe. Lol
@patthiccyThankfully if you ever need a place to stay you're already living rent free in the head of half this comment section
Some of u all need to either get in the gym and shut up or just get a life
I get the people clowning on sumo here, but yall need to remember its part of the sport. Even if you consider it a different lift from conventional, which I do as well, it doesn't change the fact that it's part of powerlifting and it's not the lifter's fault they're taking every competitive advantage they legally can.
nerd
Mammoth bar is a strongman implement. Sumo is not legal in strongman.
@@Gorbetron3000 mammoth and sumo, makes the perfect combo to lift it just 8 inches. What a dream for sumo lifters. Literally disgusting.
I still blame lifters. There is a thing called integrity in sport. It’s like bush league baseball. Is it allowed? Yes. But it should be severely frowned upon.
I would not want to be seen as a complete clown.
880 conventional was the only lift that mattered.
12:01 🙃👍
do you ever do any specific grip work?
You can kinda count farmers carry, but just do all my back work without straps has been enough for me
@@MHB30but the bodybuilders all say that you need to use straps on back and that your grip can never be strong enough
@@dantethunderstone2118 bodybuilders don’t really need to train grip, so it makes sense for them to take grip out of the equation when doing rows.
@@dantethunderstone2118 silly argument. Powerlifters need to train their grip in a very specific way for holding barbells in order to prepare for deadlifting without straps (also, John uses mixed grip for deadlifts). Bodybuilders don't, so they can use straps without a detriment to the ultimate goal (gaining mass). Bodybuilders usually also do more reps, straining their grip endurance more.
@@TheJipino it was more of a satirical comment about the tiktok bodybuilders who seem to think it’s impossible to train back without straps and everyone should use them regardless of if they’re training for hypertrophy
I’ve never used straps for training back and haven’t had a problem, my back bigger and grip is stronger than any of my friends that use straps
I wonder who that dude in the nirvana shirt is. Couldn’t be me😂
no hate but the guy doing the wide sumo, thats like nonexistant range of motion, seems like cheating to me
On the mammoth bar it kinda is. It was all for fun
@@MHB30 As long as he knows that. Looks like it's not new to him.
Mammoth bar is strongman so it was cheating since sumo isn’t allowed in strongman
@@dantethunderstone2118strongman rules don't really apply to a gym lift, this clearly is not a competition
@@TheLegMan1 if not used in a strongman context then mammoth bars are solely for ego
I’m not a fan of sumo but it is legal in power lifting-and anyone attempting 1,000lbs then move it is super strong -I still believe a sumo lift should never be able to break a conventional record as they are not the same-I have yet to see a conventional deadlifter switch to sumo and not add a lot of pounds to their total
thats ridiculous. its all leverages and body anatomy. some people are built for sumo and some for conventional. a lot of very tall and heavy lifters would struggle to lift 75% of their conventional pull on sumo, no matter how much they trained it. as soon as plates are loaded on a stiff bar the playing fields get levelled, its deadlift bars that make these hyper upright no ROM pulls possible and I wish more federations would move away from them. after all, is it really a "dead"lift if the bar is already moving before the pull?
Literally all the best conventional pullers in the world are the perfect example for you, none of them would gain anything from sumo, in fact they are weaker with it. Eddie Hall has stated many times that he wouldn’t even budge 500kg off the ground with sumo. Larry wheels failed a 765 sumo deadlift after pulling 900 conventional, John Haack (the conventional pulled in the video) has said he pull with conventional because he is weaker with sumo. The reality is that people pull what their bone structure and leverages allow, there’s no ultimate technique that’s the best. There’s a reason only 50% of powerlifters do sumo, even at the elite level where they would do ANYTHING to win.
Hello, fellow critic of sumo lifts. Welcome to the comment section.
At this point deadlift records need to be in two catagories.
Sumo is a rack pull
sumo clearly has more advantage on this bar
how did he miss 1000, when 930 looked like RPE 2
Sumo 🙄
Just because he is fat doesn't mean he is sumo bro...
@@coin777i cant tell if you’re joking
He is 😂
There are 3 things I don’t find impressive in powerlifting, and never will.
-sumo
-juicers
-400lb overweight dudes thinking lifting 200lb over their bw is impressive
Hahaha that edit ! 😂😂
that one guy was just doing a circus trick
insane
I love how half the comments are crying about sumo when this is an unofficial event that isn't directly comparable to powerlifting or strongman
Its directly comparable in powerlifting.
@@joebot9309 Straps, mammoth bar, and wide plates (for most feds) are not used in powerlifting
It's wild how upset people are
The DJ is working both for boomers and zoomers at the same time
Dude at 3:44 just yanks the bar off the ground for fun and then does the rep
funny shit how the sumo guy only needed to pull the slack out of the bar to lock out his back.
Sumo completely different lift than conventional. John put them all to shame.
Ludicrous mode
around 6 inches. BUT real sumo is without straps: you need to hold the bar. - 6 inches becomes 8. and heavier
sumo deadlift and conventional deadlift needs to be separate events. Or just make the conventional deadlift the standard
I don’t care. 2 guys do say 700. One conventional and one sumo. I think the first guys stronger. And whether you say it or not when someone does a lot dump you always thing “yeah BUT”.
But it was for a good cause so good on everyone
My nuanced take:
Sumo without straps is valid. Sumo with straps is not valid.
Sumo on a Texas deadlift bar is valid.
Sumo on a kabuki bar is not valid.
I don’t understand why anyone allows sumo at these comps or why any guys practice sumo, I really don’t get it.
I know this is for fun. But I feel the lifts should be standardized. There are participants doing powerlifting grips, such as mixed and sumo and the strongman way with double over and straps or sometimes hook grip. And then there are those that are using straps and sumo or mixed, which makes no sense to me. And then there's the guy using the figure 8 straps, which does reduce range of motion. Just too much of a potpourri to take seriously.
There are literally zero competition that allow the use of straps and sumo.
@@MHB30 Straps and sumo, right? Yeah, I didn't they were. Btw, you have a beautiful gym. Where are you located?
Im convinced the people who hate on sumo for the rom advantage have never tried sumo because it is infinitely harder off the floor then conventional, requires mobility and levers most people don't have and targets smaller muscle groups. That being said strong sumo pullers are usually pretty strong conv pullers but almost never the other way around.
no, it’s easier. when my 1RM was a beltless and strapless 695 i had never attempted sumo before. i was messing around one day and after a whole squat routine i pulled 675 sumo without knowing the form other than seeing videos of it and i almost completely locked out. it’s not a coincidence that i could almost tie my conventional PR doing sumo for my first time. i have the videos on my IG
Especially watching the two one after another, you just can’t respect the sumo. It’s just…why even train it as your prime lift? It’s not something anyone respects
maybe because he doesn’t give a fuck what anyone thinks lmfao
I’m sorry but John’s failed 930 attempt is still more impressive than the sumo dude’s successful attempt.
that guy not even locking out or stabilizing the bar and just letting it do one whip off the ground :/
I really hate how Social media made idiots follow powerlifting, I miss 2000 and 2010 when I was a kid and I could watch reclusive guys and Russians lift incredible weights
You know your tough when you pull conventional in a gym of sumos
Sumo liters left the comment section 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If you’re a big guy doing sumo DL that’s just embarrassing