The Other Side Of Finality | Honkai Star Rail Lore
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- In Honkai Star Rail Lore finality has always been a big mystery. Not much is known about who follows them, what their goals are or what their aeon even looks like and up till now we've only seen them from a not so good perspective given they represent the end of the universe itself. However with the introduction of Elegy from the creed exequy, we might have an explanation on what finality really means, the other side of finality which represents hope and a new beginning. So in this video we are going to discuss this alternative side of finality and talk about what it might mean for them
Some part of this video comes from the actual lore while others may be speculation on my part as we currently do not know the full story. As such take it with a grain of salt as the point of this video is just a deeper dive into Honkai Star Rail lore.
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Hearing SW's loss and traumatic experiences made me weep
It truly is the most tragic backstory
Silver wolf truly has the greatest loss in the entire HSR universe
had me cackling for a minute with that.
Suffering comes in all shapes and forms
Literally the motto of Chapter 35 in Hi3rd
Origin is Finality, Finality is Origin
It’s also the same in genshin! The new order is called fortuna(also world formula by Rene), fortuna is basically the idea where every empire will fall, and in its ashes a new one will rise. This is essentially the same thing as origin is finality, finality is origin. I wonder how this shared connection will change our view of the Honkai and the general Hoyoverse.
The beginning of the end, and the end of the beginning
i have an interesting fact to share to you, the word "Finality" in hsr is not most accurately or closely translated from it original chinese words to english. The "Finality" that mean the end that we typically thought of is the one being use in hi3 as the word finality written in hi3 and hsr use 2 different writing, the chinese word of "Finality" in hsr mean closer to "desolation" than "the end". In honkaiverse, finality is always represent a cycle of end and rebirth, symbolize end and beginning at the same time. What Elegry said might not be wrong either imo, if Terminus keep going backward in time, it mean they will one point reach the beginning of the universe so in a sense Terminus is the beginning and the end at the same time
Beautifully said
Agree
I am still baffled how a rather big portion of the fandom still sees the paths in black in white. Finality may mean that everything ends eventually, but also that negative things like suffering aren't eternal (heck, lots of horror has to do with immortallity and infinity). Same for Nihility, it is not in fact all doom and gloom, there is also hopeful nihility (something very well explored in Everything, Everywhere all at once) which I would argue is also the philosophy that Acheron follows and was the point of her in the story. (Her dialogue with Aventurine expresses that entire philosophy in response to the "Why does life slumber?" question [which, in my opinion was a very well made story hook to express the entire different mindsets of the characters in how they answered that question, but I digress], also in her dialogue with Tiernan in regards to her duties "It is pointless, yet i will still do it"). Abundance would have been seen as a good thing and Hunt as bad if you just take the connotations of their path names without any story context and how it was presented to us. There is so much nuance.
All the different paths have aspects that can be seen as good and bad and despite being rather narrow do have a beautiful spectrum on how they can be interpreted. So please, HSR fans, don't always see everything as good or bad, black and white, but look for the little bit of colour =)
hopeful nihility would be nothing matters and therefore we are free to choose for ourselves
@larsthememelord3383 mhm, even in the story, acheron's attitude is "its pointless to think about pointlessness, so i do what i must."
Thats kinda what I was going for in the video, the prevailing idea is that finality might mean something bad since it represents the end of something (whether by design or otherwise) but it can also mean hope. Most of the paths as you mentioned has this duality and its really up to whoever is perceiving it. I think I mentioend in an older video that the paths arent good or evil but its the followers the make those distinctions. The Xianzhou alliance might consider the abundance as evil but not the borisins so its really just perspective. Plus given the paths are made up of the collective thoghts of sentient creatures it means that every spectrum of belief is captured under each path so I agree, the paths themselves are not easily categorized as good or evil / black or white 😁
Yeah! i'm felt relief when she explained that it isn't Destructive at all but represent End point then Begin point
if terminus does have connection to the hi3 cocoon of finality or honkai in general
then terminus might have similar function as the herrscher of the finality
the herscherr of finality authority is time
the herrscher of finality is tasked to end the current timeline of their host world, and reset everything back in time, creating a cyclicality of "origin" and "end"
if terminus is the same, they are probably tasked to end/reset the honkai universe
this is why i love star rails writing so much
the duality of things and how contrast makes new meanings
thats why IX is the best and HooH is probably the strongest of all aeons
I like the fact that most things are grey, none of the paths are inherently good or evil and can be perceived in a lot of different ways. Theyre also functionally jsut forces of nature and not anymore evil than a flood or hurricane
I'm still believing that Honkai Impact's Ferryman being one of the unintentional follower of Path of Finality, even despite there's very little depiction of his past life compared to most characters, all while I'm suspect of Rosemary Rita might be tied to Fuli if she's ever encountered Aeon Fuli during a point of her past when accompanying Ferryman
The parallels between elio and ferryman is honestly really interesting
It's make sense since Ferryman have been through many time travel or loop but failed unlike his other counterpart(Mr. Assassin or just Kanchou/Captain)
True Nihility bros are going to be like "So either everythjng ends or the universe restarts and inevitably gives birth to another aeon of Nihility? I don't know, still sounds pretty pointless to me. Who cares if the aeon of nihility's name is IX, X, XI, or XII."
You know that kinda made me think of something, what if IX is just the number of iterations the aeon of nihility has existed and this is the 9th universe or cycle. 🤔
The Next Finality & The Next Origin. Very nice indeed.
Now do Permanence, please.
Given March is said to get her new form in xianzhou, im waiting for that to release first before touching permanence. I worry it might get outdated
Its exactly the same as finality in honkai impact. The world is on a samsara and finality resets the cycle. I thought everyone already knew that
And no, finality isnt some fairy tale ending. It means you die. The universe restarting doesnt do you any good, because you don't exist. The point is to defy fate and break the samsara. Just like every other hoyoverse game
The twist is that terminus will pint an end but also bring a new beginning to the whole tree not only a timelibe
Well, the thing is, Finality concept is grenerally quite predictable if HoYo'll do what they usually do. Finality basicaly derives from Eastern religious/philosophical concepts or Samsara, the eternal cycle of death and rebirth everyone tries to escape (since birth brings suffering, through time it leads to death and then to birth and suffering again) but it's hardly an easy task. Also the same concept was implied in Honkai Impact 3rd with its recurring themes of civilizations being destroyed and raised anew to try beat Honkai again. So the first obvious point in that Finality being "the end and the beginning" and so representing Samsara is a thing people should try to overcome. Secondly, Terminus, and Aeon of Finality, is an Aeon, and Aeons operate according to their primum mobile, so Nanook seeks dectruction, Fuli seeks memories to collect and save, Qlipoth seeks to preserve everything and so on. So Finality seeks to just that -- the end. To start anew. I can't believe their "prophecies" are about saving the world, they should be about destruction, to bring that "final end" and restart the cycle, that should be their primum mobile right?
And yeah, we don't know how Elio deciphers their prophecies but think about it: if you decipher a prophecy and do what it's telling, you have a detailed plan. But let's imagine Elio knows that Finality's prophecies most likely lead to "the final end" and... and in this case he can't have a detailed plan since he only knows what shouldn't be done. So I conclude, since his plans are fairly detailed, he's following Finality's prophesis as written and so, being fooled, leads the universe to "the final end and restart". And the main point of Honkai games is just that: to go further no matter what, no matter how painful it is and, if needed, even defy destiny. That's the third concept that leads us to a simple conclusion if HoYo just repeat themselves: destiny is a thing to challenge. I'll stick to my theory that Elio, a Destiny's slave (maybe even unintentionally), is doing things that lead to "the final end". And at some point we'll definitely go against Elio, Terminus and destiny itself since we're humans, we're weak but our wills are strong, we strive for a better future and we're not agree to be restrained by some "destiny" and all that superheroic seinen bullshit lol.
Though it all based on previous HoYo concepts... maybe this time they'll make destiny our ally, who knows.
If we go by the writing of Honkai Impact 3rd, Finality can wipe the slate clean and begin anew or complete desolation. The results are dependent on the one who can change the outcome.
Nanook's Destruction is clear cut end while Terminus' Finality is an unknown ending, a cliffhanger that leaves those who don't reach it in the dark. Destruction is straightforward with how things will end and can usually be combatted with the right amount of opposition. Finality is vague about what fate it heralds. It is an end that can either be fulfilling or outright abysmal, you'll never know until reach it and see for yourself.
When you see destruction, you know it's going to bring about something that cannot be undone. Reaching the end of a story leaves things like nostalgia and meloncholy in its wake, maybe a tinge of sadness. Sometimes there's relief that a goal has been reached. Finality is abstract and sometimes unclear on where to go after. We fear the unknown somewhere deep down. Destruction can be prevented, if not, avoided altogether.
With Penacony's story we saw what happens when two paths with similar goals conflict when it comes to the results. Xipe the Harmony vs. Ena the Order, both have the goal of uniting people but the process in doing so conflicted. The same concept applies to Finality and Destruction as paths.
Please keep in mind. That is just what Finality is interpreted as. As we have seen in Star Rail different Factions see the Meanings of the Path to have difference. They may agree on the broad strokes but what exactly is in there
Yes you are right, this is just how this particular faction perceives them and why I mentioned Elegy might be entirely biased here. Finality could be something else entirely when we learn more about them
4:27 - 4:43
We went from most depressing to least depressing.
Wow😂.
5:00 - That one actually made me laugh the hardest.
Herta really dealt Silver wolf a CRITICAL HIT of a life time
Tom Servo: "Oh, I don't think this is headed toward a happy ending."
Mike Nelson: "Y'know, at this point *any* ending would make me happier than I've ever been."
Nihility can mean a good thing because someone can believe life is ultimately meaningless, and through that meaninglessness realize that only humans can provide meaning for themselves, becoming a sort of comforting thing at the end🧐
Curious. Does Nanook want to destroy the Universe to Remake it or does he want it to truly end ala Mephistopheles.
As far as we know Nanook just wants to destroy it outright, they view the universe as a mistake and that it shouldnt exist. The only way to fix that mistake is to destroy it
Maevix Finally the Finality lore he always wanted.
The lore I've always wanted is the one that reveals everythign about that cat. I NEED TO KNOW 😂
I’ve been entertaining this one idea that definitely fits in with Finality, in fact … it might even be the most severe act of Finality in the game.
Destruction begets Creation, creating the new is only possible by destroying the old. A philosophy of Destruction I’ve read about concerns an individual wishing to get rid of something they do not agree with, and according to the Data Banks, Nanook perceives the creation of the universe as a mistake, according to the philosophy of destruction I read about, Nanook isn’t trying to destroy the universe because he’s having a violent episode, but simply because he’s trying to remove a mistake. The mistake of Aeons and Paths, after all, his home planet, Adlivun, was destroyed by The Propagation and Mechanical Empire, if Aeons and Paths were not a thing, Their Home world wouldn’t of suffered so much.
It’s possible that Nanook’s Destruction of the universe will trigger some universal reset button, a button that Nanook can have control over, and make the decision of resetting the universe without the cosmic functionality of Aeons and Paths.
A universe ends, so a universe can begin. Isn’t that an extra-ultimate act of Finality?
So if we compare it to Genshin, Nanook is like a Loom of Fate?
@@L16htW4rr10r yes, I suppose so? With what we can assume about the Loom of Fate, and it’s ability to create a world, then Nanook is attempting something similar on a universal level … a Loom of Fate on an Aeonic measurement … oh, that would very likely involve the Tree of Existence, wouldn’t it? If the Tree of Existence is the Irminsul equivalent, then would destroying it be akin to destroying the universe?
Hmm, I wonder if that is where we will be fighting Nanook, it’d definitely be the most important battle in the universe in that case.
Bro conflict you spoke about the IPC fighting for power internally was true It's confirmed in 2.3
In what video he talked about this?
Sounds like Finality and an Ekpyrotic universe might have some connections.
If we take into account that Equilibrium exists and there is no Aeon that represents the beginning, it would mean that Terminus represents the end and the beginning of everything. We could also theorize with this that perhaps Terminus already experienced several other cycles of the end and beginning of the HSR universe.
SW has the most tragic loss in all of Hoyoverse.
You mean her accounts? Or did I miss something important 🤔
Yeah imagine the amounts of stuff that's just...gone
@@Maevix3142 obviously the accs(which is kinda relatable lol)
Huh lost her accounts? She got facebook or something? Also i think im quoting an enemy but “finality means forever”…?
There was an event in 1.1 where she tried messing with herta and screwllum but ended up getting tricked with herta deleting all 60 of her gaming accounts 😂
Technically Abundance and Finality is 2 sides of the same coin.
Not really, Finality is the concept of cyclical rebirth that you see in some game like smt where you often rebirth an old world for a new one,while abundance is just the idea of life itself.
@@EmericMAMBOLE I would like to suggest a wild idea then. Abundance is endless growth(life is part of the concept, but not exactly the entire thing), growth itself is a cycle. With Abundance came Finality and with Finality came Abundance, the two concept is interchangeable yet their goal is different. Finality go with the flow, while Abundance that flow as a momentum to transcend the flow itself. Yaoshi wants everyone to reach the “eternal paradise”, and there by ending all suffering (probably still a mere fraction of the Abundance entire goal). I feel like Yaoshi offered the chance to reach the “eternal paradise”, but not exactly give it. (I thought of this because of the source for Abundance inspiration)
So I wonder if Kiana at some point will get involved
Im curious whether the whole hersher & honkai stuff is ever going to come into the story but if im not mistaken the devs mentioned before that its a complete other story so my guess is there might be elements of it but not a 1 to 1 exact port
Wait till Silver wolf got the Worst story of them all or something XD
And about firefly someone pointed out that Glamoth were from super longer ago so her short life span might be 3000 years old or something like the Xianzhou people
No it was because she was put in like a permanent sleep like March 7th for a very long time that is why she is still alive today
@@faizaholajide6913a permanent and dreamless sleep since firefly can’t dream
@@faizaholajide6913 oh i see thank you!
the end of the beginning and The beginning of the end
In all fairness to Silver Wolf, she's there in part because they asked first, lol.
Im working on a video about the stellaron hunters and when I was researching SW I saw the character story where this happened, they literally just appeared, talked to her for 5 minutes and she just said yes 😂
Within a min gang
As islam states
In life comes death and then life
just a reminder that Jade saying stellaron hunter as finality's follower doesn't mean it is true.
until firefly or any SH members said it, it is still possible but not confirmed.