Why Are People Talking About These Star Rail Characters?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- If you have spent time in any Star Rail fandom, there is a small group of characters that receive particular attention from players of Honkai Impact 3rd. In todays video, I explain why these characters are often a subject of discussion in the community.
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Hsr mentions that herrschers are more like smaller scale Aeons (Welt dialogue) instead of equals
Herrschers are a shadow of finality, a mince of her power, pretty hard to compare
@@TYR1139 I mean...there is a Aeon of finality so...
@@redxd7108 I think Honkai Impact's finality is the aeon of finality. Would make sense.
@@nencrows_4580 Imagine if we find out later down the line that Terminus the Aeon of finality turns out to be Kiana i can't imagine the reaction 😂
Herrschers vary on power. They arent like aeons who are basically outer gods from GGZ.
Herrschers can have city obliterating power to human extinction level to planetary buster.
Then there's finality she's equal to an outer god or even greater.
I guess each Honkai players won't shut up about these because of many reasons. While for me, I simply just too attached to them (playing since global version released here). Seeing their journey, their choices, and the results of those choices are what makes me wanted to seeing MORE of them
Honkai Impact players actually have ground to talk about HI3rd characters in Star Rail because it is canon that HI3rd characters are in SR. Genshin players trying to hijack HI3rd characters on the other hand....
@@alexsolosmI don’t think Genshin players really do that.
@@alexsolosmGemshin comers ruined the vibe
Natasha literally raven grown up. They both care for an orphanage, although she downgraded from a god key to a grenade launcher.
I dont think shes the "grown" up version of raven i think they're about the same age natasha is just more soft spoken compared because she lived an entirely different life compared to raven who has a more "tomboyish" voice since she was a mercenary since she was a child but idk im probably wrong
@@peepostaringintoyoursoul3699 Dunno about that. Raven is implied to be around the same age as Mei in HI3, which is 19-20 in the main story, while Natasha is implied to be in the late thirtees in HSR. Then again, theres no concrete database, so we never know
Not as much grown up as not had to go through the same kind of crap Raven had to go through. Deep down they're the same character, they're both the mom of their respective game, just one is more mom (if that makes sense) and the other is more edgy. I think Natasha is one of the "closest to source material" characters in HSR.
1:20 for more context, Welt doesn't have the original Star of Eden (his cane) anymore. The one that he uses is a replica he made using the powers of Herrscher of Reason, meaning he still has the powers of the Herrscher of Reason albeit having a weaker authority because he no longer has a herrscher core. The real star of eden was destroyed long ago
Where did welt say that i may missed it
You are sorta correct but also not really. Welt could be using a replica of the star but it isn't made clear due to the fact that AE repairs the actual star of Eden during the Kolosten arc for Bronya to use. So he could be using the real deal but it's not explicitly stated if he is. Also he does have his core. Alien space explicitly brings up the fact that Welt still has his core.
The real star of Eden is now a new divine key used by HoR bronya aka Star Of Eden The World
March is another character Im keeping my eye on due to her unknown backstory and her resemblance to Elysia, both ability and personality wise
That is literally not possible since Elysia can not be in any other universe since she was unintentionally born from the imaginary tree, but I would love to see Mihoyo prove me and their own lore wrong (Ellie lover here).
And when she trapped in the ice its similar to elysia passive skill that could rebirth after her hp is empty
I theorised we gonna know more about March 7 in future updates when we'll also see a new form of her with other path, I have the feeling of this being the reminiscence. If you took atention in Simulated Universe you will notice how reminiscence blessing are often linked to ice.
@@tapasyamehla1864 this and honestly i dont even think they have the same personality at all like i find elysia as flirty and very caring like she very much acts like an understanding mom while march 7th sorry to say it but she has no rizz at all lol and she's clumsy and doesnt really have that elegant feel that elysia has
@@moonlightmilkywaybefore anybody else does correct you its rememberance
thank you potato! even though everyone i heard were saying that star rail and honkai impact stories are not related in any way, it was enough to hear that welt from honkai impact is actually experiencing this journey from the original worlds side. now il definitely download this game
Hey you forgot to say that Natasha is a terrorist in hi3rd
This natasha is what she would be if Kevin wasn't real
@@Geomation we don’t know if Kevin exist in the hsr universe
@Galaxy Rivs I can't lie I'm hoping he does. He was such a great charcater being all overpowered and stuff
@@Galaxy_123 i feel like elio will be a kevin expy
@@Geomation i hope we got Kevin from Honkai Impact as a collab character. I would love to play as deliverence kevin (or diabolic kevin if deliverence is too powerfull)
*Tesla on da way after receive da signal from "Herta"*
With entire hyperion
Correction: An incredibly misunderstood aspect of the Honkai series is how the Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta function when it comes to alternate worlds and bubble worlds. You see, the concept of a multi-verse has never existed in Honkai up until Star Rail where it is briefly mentioned in a text somewhere, but largely speaking, the multi-verse is completely irrelevant to Honkai lore. Everything we’ve seen up until now, all of it exists under one universe. I assume people get this confused because people akin the Imaginary Tree to a “branching timeline” of events, when it’s only a barebones allusion.
The Imaginary Tree is also only just a visualization as to how it works. It is not have an actual visual form. It’s more like a universal concept, the “rules” so to say. Each leaf of the Imaginary Tree is it’s own “world”, which encompasses a planet like Earth. The Astral Express is in fact hopping between the leaves on the Imaginary Tree, from world to world.
If you want a clean example, you can think of the trunk of the Imaginary Tree as the “base code” of a computer software. Each branch of the tree would be deviations to the code, and each leaf coming off the branches is an execution of that code. This is the explanation behind character expy’s, and why we see more than one Bronya in Star Rail in the form of Bronya Rand and Silver Wolf. They are versions of the same person from different worlds, and we get to see Bronya Rand and SW in the same game because unlike Honkai 3rd Impact, which solely takes place on Earth, Star Rail takes place across multiple worlds on the Imaginary Tree. Both Bronya Rand and SW have their roots in the base code of the Imaginary Tree. But because they’re from different deviations of that code, they end up becoming very different people because of how different their lives were.
TL;DR, “alternate universe” is the incorrect term. Gakuen, 3rd Impact, Genshin, and Star Rail all take place in the same universe. The games that are not stated to be in this universe are Tears of Themis and Zenless, but I think we should keep an eye on Zenless just in case. It’s still unlikely that Zenless is a part of the Honkai-verse, but it might be possible. Genshin is outright confirmed to be in the same universe. Some people still don’t know this, but it’s true.
Just wondering, you said Star Rail takes place across multiple worlds on the Imaginary Tree. But ingame there are things like the IPC that is known throughout every place we have visited at this point. Are you implying that the IPC is an interdimensional corporation that hops between worlds on the tree? Considering these world are still connected by some shared knowledge like Aeons for another example. Doesn't it make more sense to imagine the places we travel to in Star Rail to be in the same "Star Rail" universe, a single leaf on a tree rather than us hopping between leaf/bubble? Belobog bubble, Herta Space Station bubble, etc. Still, this can be proven wrong with the popular theory you gave, which Silver Wolf could be the proof of. But I don't think we can be that sure yet until we get our hands on her information.
@@PotatoAlmanac Your conclusion does make logical sense. That said, you have to keep in mind that Akivili did succeed in connecting all the worlds. The Star Rail placed throughout the universe is the reason why the Astral Express is even able to function, and how people in different worlds know about the IPC in the first place. We even find IPC technology in Jarilo-XI in the form of a drone that helps us find materials in the story. We know from HI3 and sort of from Genshin that an Imaginary Tree leaf can hold a world the size of a planet / multi-national continent, as that is how the “world” appears in the form of Earth and Teyvat in HI3 and Genshin respectively. Hell, bubble worlds (leaves that have fallen off the tree and are floating in the Sea of Quanta) are CONSIDERABLY smaller, as seen with Arc City which is where Haxxor Bunny comes from. Literally, the world of Arc City is just a metropolis surrounded by a void. The leaves aren’t as big as you think they are, we’ve only see them be big enough to contain a planet, sometimes only able to contain a very small island.
Also, Bubble refers to a world that has fallen off of the tree, so you don’t say “bubble” to refer to any of the places we’ve been to already in Star Rail as those places are relatively accessible. Bubble worlds drifting in the Sea of Quanta lack Imaginary energy to sustain themselves. They are much more difficult to get to. Given the scale we are working with here when it comes to Star Rail’s worldbuilding when compared to HI3, it is very safe to say that both Bronya Rand AND Silver Wolf are Bronya expys. It’s especially alluded to in Silver Wolf’s case albeit in a comedic way when we see SW playing the Haxxor Bunny tutorial stage in HI3. Haxxor Bunny herself is a Bronya expy, and her story revolved around her leaving her Arc City world bubble to travel the Sea of Quanta in the Captainverse storyline.
If you’re astute enough, you might me wondering why Earth knows nothing about the Aeons or the IPC if they are so universally known. Well, Earth is going through it’s own problems in HI3, most notably a samsara time loop that resets humanity’s progress every couple thousand years. This also means that Earth is blocked off from the rest of the universe, which is why Welt is in the Astral Express, trying to find his way back home.
Hope this answers your questions!
@@PotatoAlmanac I don't remember where exactly but somewhere in the space station there is a readable thing that explains the imaginary tree, calling the leafs galaxies and directly saying that the star rail connects multiple leafs
@@momsaccount4033 1. The worlds aren’t necessarily of the same size, and can be galactic in scope per current lore (previous lore was that bubble universes were infinite in spacetime dimensions and had their own stars, planets, galaxies, etc. in GGZ; HI3rd's bubble universe on the moon, where PROMETHEUS and Dr. MEI were from, called the starry skies false, an image remaining as Finality cast the world to the abyss of quanta and ch 37 reiterates, with the theory that the moon is not actually the moon as bubble universe celestial phenomena are not reflective of real ones like in IT worlds and the moon turned out to be a foreign bubble universe).
2. Actual multiverse lore is revealed in GGZ, wherein the Master of Wills comes from a foreign universe and its invasion should have taken an eternity of time from mortal perception (using the power of saints helped it breach the distance). HSR currently only has IX as talking about the multiverse (believing its final fate to be nothing and therefore worthless). The other stuff is just mistranslating "world" (sekai in JP) for "universe," (uchū in JP) which will complicate lore when actual multiverse lore comes in. The Imaginary Tree and SoQ are an 11D carrier of worlds, an infinitely expansive universe (in the scientific sense, so pop-culture understanding of multiverse is just the universe; all things in existence). This vast universe carries boundless worlds and breaching the distance between them is difficult as imaginary energy shrouds the galaxies.
If you consumed FGO content and this sounds familiar, don’t worry about it; mihoyo are huge nerds who live and breathe that kind of intertextuality.
E: Just so it’s clear, not every bubble universe is of the same size. They can easily be planetary in scope, and larger ones subsume smaller ones.
@@Bludflag thanks for the extra clarification
Now that you mention it ..fuhua students resembles are everywhere in hsr
Fun fact Kafka is based on the stigma Kafka from Honkai Impact 3rd
the better Kafka
Me when people don't know Kafka is based on Franz Kafka
Kafka on honkai 3rd was never a major character nor she was even a fighter..
didnt he literally say that wasnt true at the end of the video?
Absolutely wrong. She's based on Franz Kafka.
How fun is the fact that Seele is not split anymore in SR but Bronya is ! 😊
great video as always
It should be noted Tesla isn't /confirmed/ to be Welts wife, although it is implied.
Bruh, the MvM theme on sky people killed me
Retract ? ( maybe just not to get caught )She was in love with him in a very obvious way.
That would have been grooming since she was 15-16
@@Strawyy_ it was the 1400s, marriage at 14 was the norm
@@Strawyy_ the thing is love is a strange thing. 2 sadly at least for me and for her her fellings were not corresponded 3 she fully supported what he wanted to do even if she would suffer from it cause she never was his center of attention. and at the end of the day shushang had bad taste in men like her mentor said ( which is debatable )
@@Strawyy_ My brother do you actually know what grooming is?
Welt is straight up 80, Tesla and him weren't in a relationship up until he was 70 at least, meaning he was already more than an adult when they developed feelings for each other.
@@shiyoshi7435i think they meant with the sushang situation
Another similarity is kalpas slightly resembles caleus (male mc) but with his mask on
Fuck don't tell me we been playing as Kalpas Expy 😂😂😂
No wonder
That welts disgusted reaction tho 🤣
its like void archives send him nudes and says
"Look milord! Otto's le peepee 🍆"
Reading the character story implies that Welt is the exact same Welt as in HI3.
Because he literally is
Dude, the part about Otto succeeding is like major spoiler for new HI3rd players man.
Not cool.
Well, we are talking about Honkai characters here.
You don't need to be warned every time to know there would be spoilers, right?
You forgot about Natasha being Raven
Still waiting for Su in star rail.. and Griseo 👀
I just want to see them survive
Maybe they somehow get into Star rail world/galaxy. It’s possible because from my knowledge their fate are unknown
And I'm still waiting for Elysia
Carole is still nowhere to be found 😅
Probably waiting for crossover event for her to appear
@@aimansyahmi6712 Carole is very possible, probably destruction or erudition
@@Eeooaa59 they took this long to decide her path XD
istg if they kill himeko again...
His name is literally „world“
Natasha having big responsibilities.
Me: Ayup
Welt, what about Tesla and your son?
He left to buy them galactic milk
In terms of being a expy, i think eden is the closest to Kafka more than the person Kafka share the name with
But eden outfit style was stollen by himeko and her money stollen by asta family eheee,~~
3:56 damn this man is FINE asf I hope he becomes playable in star rail along with Kevin, Su and kalpASS soon.
He's dead
I love your content but there is a Spelling mistake in the name of the video, its not "Why is People" but "Why are people". "are" is used for multiple people.
Its always better to have a correct name for a video
Thanks for the correction!
Fu hua return as Phoenix when
Please mihoyo give us connection between Silver wolf and bronie
Sorry bro but it prob isn't gonna happen
@@dankmemer6576 well they kept denying durandal is Kiana for years until the right moment, so who knows
@@dankmemer6576 they might as well connect their games
@@pixadragon46 Well that's because Durandal ISNT Kiana, yes she's the og but she isn't Kiana. Hence why everyone still calls her Durandal and not Kiana. Not even Durandal herself claims that name as her own.
@@pixadragon46 I mean yea, but each game is so vastly different it would be practically impossible to connect all their games.
He said "V"elt ❤❤❤❤❤❤
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"The Final Lesson"
wait are saying Kafka don't have manga equivalent? I thought she was
Probably Eden from the Previous Era...
first we thought kafka stigma from hi3rd but that was franz kafka so ig kafka is more like fution of eden and franz kafka or dr nagamitsu
stigmata is like Memories space so technically Kafka did exist in Honkai Impact years ago, she could be Dead or alive but certainly someone make a Stigmata based on her memory/experience.
Just like Isaac Newton Stigmata, and any other historical figure Stigmata.
I believe that Luocha is Void Archives here is why
1. Because of his passive Abyss Flower and we know VA like Welt can also mimmick the abillities of the other Divine keys to a greater extent due to having at this point the most knowledge about the divine keys and how they were made.
2. Although this theory might not hold up as well I believe that the element he has (Imaginary) on a story and gameplay standpoint there has been only one Imaginary unit that has been relesed so far and that is Welt. Welt is a herrscher and the herrschers abillities are directly tied to the Imaginary tree with the exception of Raiden Mei who's abillities come from Quantum energy(HoT) and he too posses the Imaginary element. During the CBT there were only 2 Imaginary units Luocha and Welt which made question why specifically the 2nd Imaginary unit to be shown into the game was Luocha a Otto/VA expy.
At the end of the day this is just pure speculations believe what you want.
Nah, Beta light cone desc and Luocha's attitude is way to contrasting to be VA. Not that it's impossible for a theory, but it's unlikely to be true. Even Luocha's Ult line doesn't mean anything for VA
@@darknessknows1235 That maybe the case now that I think about it his main objective/reason of his creation doesn't correlate to Luocha at all so maybe not.
But on the other hand apparently in his story quest(info from CN) he gives Welt a book titled "Not All People Are Born Evil" which could hint to the fact maybe VA changed his ways went under a new name well who knows.
What about Yukong? She is also imaginary.
Also, Mei power doesnt come from the Sea of Quanta. All Herrscher Autorithies come from the Cocoon of Finality
@@megamugburk
1. Mei Herrscher powers fully manifested due to absorbing the honkai energy of a piece of the imaginary tree that has fallen into the Sea of Quanta.
2.The cocoon is tied to the imaginary by proxy all herrschers with the exception of Mei stated by the reason above.
3. I didn't mention Yukong because she was made to fill in the gaps for the Imaginary element and there isn't much about her character that lets us know why simmilar to how HoV is a Bio type valk despite using Imaginary energy to create Imginry subspaces the same goes for HoS + Imginary energy is just a pure type of Honkai energy mostly possesed by herrschers with Quantum energy being it's opposite as it's a form honkai energy that has been corrupted by the SoQ.
@@Ilikegames804 1. Mei´s Herrscher power awoke in Nagazora when the gem of conquest absorbed honkai energy, Her full HoT Form manifested on Nagazora when she fought kiana, Hero HoO powers developed when interacting whit what was left of Elisya. There was no part of the imaginary tree that fell into the sea of quanta that im aware of. And even if that was the case her powers would have come from the piece of the imaginary tree, not from Quantum
2, The Cocoon IS tied to the tree and imaginary space. But i fell its more like the Cocoon uses Imaginary Energy to manifest on our world
3. Yukong its the 3rd Imaginary character, and she is releasing in the same banner that Luchoa, and we still know nothing of how the Imaginary element or the quantum element work in the world of star rail, So im not sure if it could be used as evidence when it only fits 2 out of 3 characters
I do believe Luchoa is VA tho
Welt shoulda been the protagonist fight me-
1:03 I laughed (in pain)
lol, poor otto XD
Not gonna lie your presentation is better than Homu Lab.
what story chapter is 5:26
Not story chapters, but an old event "Seele's Quantum Diary".
@@PotatoAlmanac smile through the pain 🙂
@@Yukiiiiehe you still can read the manga for more info :D
@@PotatoAlmanac can it be accessible now?
@Misty Not ingame. I used this person's gameplay for it: ruclips.net/video/BVrNCF17eu0/видео.html
Someone who plays Honkai whatever happened to that Joyce clone that was basically welt's son????????
He is safe and alive with his mom. VA and Welt leave him in a train.
@@moores4415 Okay good I was out here thinking he abandoned his son.
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My ass still hoping HI3meko is still alive somewhere lol
Herrschers are very weak compared to Aeons
Not true at all. Aeons are stronger than the average Herrscher, who maxes out at around planetary. The stronger ones scale higher in cosmology than the Aeons do because Aeons are 4D beings while stronger Herrschers are 11D and Finality being the strongest is 12D. Also, the Herrscher of The End is a High Hyperversal god in cosmology scaling with 12D dimensionality. She also has better feats and would view the Aeons as micro germs that are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You see, Finality is able to manipulate all of the Imaginary Tree, and it's many universes. Aeons are limited to a single leaf (universe) on the tree. HoTE has Honkai control on a multiversal scale and can ascend to higher dimensional structures than Aeons can. She has defeated countless universes in the Honkai war and destroyed countless planets and civilizations. The Aeons don't make it past universal because they are limited to their universe. HoTE is not. HoTE + 11D Herrschers > Aeons > average Herrscher
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 finality can't manipulate the imaginary tree and it doesn't even exist. also aeons are not limited to a single leaf I don't know where you got that from. Aeons can manipulate imaginary energy and finality probably uses the imaginary energy it gets from the path of the aeon of finality. Stronger Herrschers are surely not stronger than Aeons even Kevin solos.
@@yass2866literally look at ggz to know more about honkai lore. The entire imaginary tree is a fraction of power for a few herrschers and herrscher of the end has nuked countless multiverses there. Plus the entire star rail game is in 1 single leaf, this was established way before the game was even made because you can't just travel from 1 leaf to another unless you have some kind of power similar to the cosmic juggernaut which welt used to get to star rail universe. The only other way to travel between different universes is through the sea of quanta, which should be out of the question as star rail doesn't seem to be a bubble universe as the aeons are using imaginary power. Compared to aeons herrschers are way above in tier just because honkai exists as an omnipresent force instead of just 1 universe concept. If aeons were present in other leaves you would see them in other universes, but nope, but herrschers have appeared in at least 8 different universes till now. Plus it was also established that the power of honkai changes from civilization to civilization. Lemme take an example here, honkai impact Wendy was extremely weak, but ggz Wendy was near herrscher of the end power(interms of how much destruction she caused). I gave you some examples here, now it's upto you how you interpret them, but aeons aren't stronger than honkai when ggz herrschers were considered to be outerversal and they aren't even close to the outer gods in ggz.
@@Mayank_MJ hsr is literally not in a single leaf idk where you got that from. And ggz doesn't matter in the honkai lore anyway. The power of finality and the Herrschers are limited to Planetary at Maximum solar system. You can't just say they are above in tier just because honkai, honkai is just the imaginary energy that gets manipulated. It doesn't say anything that we didn't see Aeons in other universes, they don't show themself a lot anyway. But we saw the sky people searching for Himeko and they are probably followers of the path of destruction. The cocoon of finality could be an emenator of finality after all it's their Job to get more followers to the path of their Aeon and that could be a reason for it wanting to embrace humanity but thats just a suggestion.
@@yass2866 you literally have no proof of what you're saying while I have the reasons for my points. And ggz lore is important in honkai because most of ggz lore is honkai lore.
Seele is pronounce Z - Lay.
We still gonna call her seele