Hey my Chess Friends! I appear in this new 4-hour film series on the Culture of Chess! INFO AND DOWNLOAD AT ideasroadshow.com/chess/ WATCH THE TRAILER AT ruclips.net/video/zLnOklDkTGQ/видео.html DVD FOR PURCHASE ON AMAZON www.amazon.com//dp/B0C13M1B84/
Wow... A lot of people are here because of anime, and I'm only here because I like to play Chess! I think I'd like to learn to play this version sometime.
Yeah, it's funny how cultural things come around from different angles. I'm just glad people are discovering this game! (and I do enjoy a little anime now and then -- which my kids introduced me to!)....
It's not really that hard to learn a handful of Chinese/Japanese characters -- for me that's part of the fun of learning this game. But it's a great game you wouldn't want to miss because of the cultural divide. Check out this video to see some 'simplified' and 'internationalized' style pieces that are available ruclips.net/video/UaV3f0QGDIk/видео.html
came here for the same reason :D I'm fond of chess, so all that's left now is for me to recognize the pieces, I mean I have no freaking idea which piece is what, I now know their starting position but I don't understand the characters so.. xD
Thanks for mentioning what brought you here -- it seems many people first hear of shogi through manga. This page explains the whole game: ancientchess.com/page/play-shogi.htm ... and this page shows a really nice 'international' set -- no japanese kanji needed!: ruclips.net/video/dFK8zbUkg8k/видео.html
I'm a Japanese student. I am very happy to see that this much people got interested in Shogi thanks to Rei-kun and Shikamaru!!! I came here to announce that the youngest title holder has born on 7/16!!! His name is Sōta Fujii, who debuted as the youngest professional player on 2016. He is the 5th "kishi"(shiogi player) in the history who became a professional(just same as Rei Kiriyama). Real shogi world is now much more anime-like than any manga/anime ever!!! I would be very glad if you get interested in nonfictional shogi world and enjoy it, too!!!
Yes, this is an amazing moment in the history of Shogi! I wish I could find more videos in English about Sōta Fujii. His skill and accomplishments at such a young age are unbelievable!
Very funny -- most of the comments I get lately are that people learned of this game from manga comics! Believe me, this really is a great game -- not just for manga and anime heroes. I actually sell a manga book on my site, specifically about a (Japanese) boy whose sole ambition is to have a successful shogi club in his school (Don't Cry Zeffiro)
Dude, aside from that, the famous anime Naruto had characters who plays shogi. Asuma Sarutobi, Shikamaru Nara, and Shikadai Nara of Boruto: Naruto Next Generations.
Blue Raja asked about castling (for some reason, RUclips isn't giving me a 'reply' link at the bottom of that comment, so I reply here as a new comment): In shogi, a player generally 'castles by hand.' That is, the player creates a specific formation of pieces around the king for a measure of protection. This formation is called a 'castle', but there is no special move for castling as there is in international (western) chess
Nice video! This video helps me how to play shogi. Will recommend this video to my friends who is keen to play shogi. Sorry for my bad english grammar. Thanks a lot!
I'm here because of Ryuo no Oshigoto! I wanted to actually understand what I was watching, better! thanks a lot for this video! It was worth the 8 and a half minutes of my life!
Thanks for the good comment! If you ever have any more of your lifetime to burn, I've got hours of videos! If you really want to spend a lot of your life's time, check out our book at aworldofchess.com
Thanks. Go to my web site AncientChess com for free booklet downloads and available sets and collectors stuff. Also, you can contact me directly through the site.
Came here after Samurai Champloo and No game no life shogi is interesting as I love chess too so learning about shogi might help me expand my skills/tactics and get better
Promotion is done as a part of a regular move; it is not a move in itself. A piece may choose to promote when it a) enters the promotion zone (opponent's first 3 rows), b) moves out of the promotion zone, or c) moves within the promotion zone. Once it is promoted, it remains so until it is captured.
I have to agree -- this is a fantastic came, very dynamic and complex in a good way! I hope you find people to play this with (maybe even in person -- they are certainly to be found online). I think you'll find this game is everything you expect, and more
Thanks for mentioning the free booklet downloads. Really, anyone interested in this or any of the other world chess forms will get a lot of benefit from these free booklets. ancientchess.com/page/free-downloads.htm
Very interesting! This is the first time I've heard a report that shogi is actually so popular now in Japan. That's great! Thanks for the link to dojo.com
I got this mesage from Diego Tovar: "I came here because I love ajedrez. The name of the pieces of chess in English are so damn weird!!! First of all, the rook???? What the heck is a rook, it's a tower. The knight is a horse, not a knight. The Bishop?????? How about calling it the guard. The ponds, That name is a okay. The king and queen are fine too." Hey Diego, if you're still listening -- Good questions! Those and many, many more are answered in detail in our book ( aworldofchess.com ). "Rook" means nothing in English, but is carried over from the centuries-old Persian word "Rukh", apparently meaning 'the flank' -- and it was a chariot! Much as the Spanish word "Alfil" is carried over from the Arabic -- it means an elephant! Calling it a Bishop in English is just an arbitrary association during Catholic domination -- it remains a "runner" (courier) in most north European languages -- and in Italy it became a 'standard bearer' (flag waver) because 'alfil' sounds like the Italian 'alfiere'. That word is pawn, not pond ... and you may be interested to know the queen was always a kin'gs adviser before chess came to Europe. You've asked many good questions -- you may find the history almost as interesting as your opinions of the pieces.
1st: You are unable to do it. For example, you can not drop a knight on 1st & 2nd ranks. 2nd: You have to decide when a piece is leaving the promote area. If you select no-promotion, the piece can not promote until it goes inside the area again. 3rd: It is similar to chess. You move a pawn, it promotes, and the turn ends. In Shogi, you move a piece, it promotes (or not-promotes), and the turn ends.
Thanks for checking this out. Yes, it becomes a very different and very intense game. I'm sorry to say, I don't have time to play very much myself, and haven't looked up online sites, although I am sure you can find some good ones. I hope you do get into this game one way or another. It's really an amazing expansion on the concept of chess.
Yes, they are very different. And shogi is certainly the most complex of the major chess forms. And not as many people play it. But it's a fantastic game! The dynamics are so rich and combinations so numerous that intuition becomes all the more vital. I teach chess to school kids and some of them take a surprisingly strong interest in shogi. Just another one of the world's great board games.
Good question. I once played with a player who did not understand this correctly. When the silver, horse, lance or pawn are promoted, they have the move of the gold, and no longer retain their original move.
Thanks for the good comment! Enjoy shogi -- I think it's one of the best variants ever. If I could find players around here, I'd probably prefer it to regular old 'chess' ...
honestly i played Xiangqi (Chinese Chess), Western Chess (not sure if this is how its call) and Shogi i think Shogi is the most fun and more diverse to me because anything can happen in one round such as promotion and used the "eaten" piece.
Thanks, I agree, I think if I could play any of the variants more often it would be shogi. It's so complicated, it leaves a great deal to the imagination and intuition. It never dries out into a gradual, inevitable win or draw. With all 40 pieces in play, the intensity just doesn't let up!
Speaking of Taikyoku shogi - yes, it's incredible. Check out the articles on Wikipedia - just search 'shogi variant' and you'll see a whole list of variants large and small. My new thing (video coming soon!) is a tiny shogi variant called 'Let's Catch the Lion', played on a 2 x 4 board with 4 pieces each!
Right. It's illegal to give CHECKMATE (not completely demonstrated in the video) by dropping a pawn into play, but it IS legal to give CHECK by dropping a pawn. Thanks for the clarification -- sorry I didn't do a full demonstration when I mentioned that rule.
Yes, it's easy to learn but with the pieces continuing to come back it never winds down to a simplified endgame. All 40 pieces are active continually until a checkmate is given. I think it's my favorite, I just don't have much opportunity to play. Much more info in our book aworldofchess.com
I should try it some time. But at the moment, I actually play very little, I'm so busy promoting the games! My favorite is to play over-the-board, but for that, around here, only 'chess' is available (which I also enjoy very much) ...still, I only get to the chess club about once a month! Please, enjoy some shogi games for me!
I personally prefer to play Chess. You can play many more opponents and the pieces are easy to obtain and learn. However, shougi it isn't that easy and trying to teach somebody else how to play it is a nightmare. Chess and Shougi are almost two completely separate games, as the strategies are way different on both games.
Seems like this video was made a long time ago, but I have three questions. I hope that someone will answer them for me. 1st Question: When Rick talked about one being unable to place/drop a piece in an unnatural move/spot does that mean that you are unable to do it, or that you just shouldn't. Does it have to be dropped on a place where the piece can move? Is it a rule that you can't or just advice that you shouldn't? 2nd Question: When you place a piece in the promoted area and move it out of the promoted area afterwards. Do you have a timelimit whether you want to promote it or not, or can you do it through out the whole game. (Since it spawned in the promoted area) 3rd Question: If you promote a piece, does the round end or can you still continue to move? /Qedda
that's a quite nice thing !! i also come here to understand 3 gatsu no lion better but now I have gotten an Intrest in it will surely download the booklet ^_^ thanx a lot
How do u manage time to make such wonderful videos and answer every comment (except mine) even 10 years later!!?? I will invent a great(est) chess variant one day
Good question. I have made very few videos in the last couple years. Want to get back on it. But as long as RUclips sends notifications to my email ... I keep answering! aworldofchess.com
another great video sir! can you please go over the new rule changes in regular chess? I found that pawn promotion has been updated and that two illegal moves in a game loses?? Or something like that?
Thanks for the good comments, Eric! The official rules are updated periodically, but they are really just technicalities for procedures in tournaments. I suppose serious tournament players should keep up on these details, so they are not surprised by a ruling over the chessboard -- but the 'new rules' don't significantly change the usual play of the game. Here is an article that details those recent changes, made in 2014 www.chess.com/news/view/changes-in-laws-of-chess---what-should-you-know-8522
I love chess. No other way or put it. I love it. And Chinese checkers. So when I watched naruto and saw "Japanese chess" I was like, "boi gotta learn me some a dat!" Definitely going to get a shogi set
Hii, @AncientChess sir. I am searching for some good quality shogi board and pieces. can you tell me which brand of board you are using and also if possible, can you send me a link to a good shogi board with the same letters also?
Thanks for your message. I get most of my shogi items from Nekomado, in Japan. I think you will find that there are many quality shogi items in the eBay listings.
So if a promoted piece is captured, it has to come back on the board at base value, or is it still promoted? That's the only thing that I didn't get. Okay I re-listened the rules of putting peices down, and I think I get it.
Thanks for asking. Pieces dropped into play are always put in as their original value -- never as the promoted value (mentioned at 6:25). Along those same lines, when the piece is sitting off the side of the board, after being captured, it should be in clear view, showing its original (not promoted) value -- so that both players can see the pieces 'in hand' as well as the pieces on the board.
Yes, confusing because it's new and because it has a different sort of alphabet. Also, admittedly, it is more complex than any of the other main-stream chess variants (but far, far from the most complex). There are some very nice remedial shogi sets that help teach the moves as you go -- while still playing the full traditional game. But I always say hey: If you wanted to learn a few elementary sentences in Japanese ... where's the bathroom, what time is it, I like my coffee black, which is the train to Tokyo -- you already would have far surpassed the few words and rules you need to learn to play this game. Another example: a second grader is expected to know about 1600 kanji characters and to write about 800. And here we are, just needing to learn a handful. Go for it! We can do this thing!
Seems pretty fun, no idea how to proper calculate though, since i d mix the pieces waaay to easy up. Would take me some time to differanciate between the pieces.
It's not such a leap as it may seem at first. Especially if you get a little into how the calligraphy came to have the various meanings of the pieces. But three are very nice internationalized and learning sets that can make the game much more immediately accessible
Yes, many pieces, including pawns, promote in this game. The pawn, fragrant chariot (lance), cinnamon horse (knight) and silver general all change to have the power of the gold general. The flying chariot (rook) and angle mover (bishop) keep their original power, but also gain the power of the king's move (one step any direction). Only the king and gold general do not promote.
This is very interesting, the games must end up being pretty crazy if you can just replace everything you capture. Do you have any online sites recommended for playing?
These chess variants like Shogi and Chinese Chess etc could sell better if those pieces had symbols on them or an english translation even on computer games. If Ripstone Games or some other board game developer made something like Japanese Chess Ultra or Chinese Chess Ultra like Chess Ultra, they would definitely have my purchase.
The traditional Chinese characters are a limitation for sure, although I personally enjoy the opportunity to learn that aspect of the culture. Check out the easy-to-learn shogi options here: www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn=rickofricks&_from=R40&_trksid=p2499338.m570.l1313.TR6.TRC2.A0.H0.Xshogi.TRS1&_nkw=shogi&_sacat=0 I have some good options for Chinese chess ... but sorry, not yet listed online ...
+Blue Raja In shogi, a player generally 'castles by hand.' That is, the player creates a specific formation of pieces around the king for a measure of protection. This formation is called a 'castle', but there is no special move for castling as there is in international (western) chess
+Jaren Molod It's true, sometimes we lean on Wikipedia too much! The info there is usually good, often the best of what comes up in google search -- but it's not perfect and not thoroughly vetted. It happens that Wikipedia has some amazing pages of shogi variants, which I would highly recommend for anyone who's interested. Shogi variants are a universe unto themselves! I don't post Wikipedia pages myself (though I have much to offer if I ever find the time) ... but a few years back, I did correct a shogi page which had a HUGE image of a shrimp in the middle of the article, for no reason. It turned out the code referencing the intended image had the word 'prawn' in it, where it meant to have 'pawn'. I edited it, taking out the 'r' -- and the page magically snapped into the correct format with the intended image. Funny.
There needs to be a great cpu learning system for this. I tried to start, and the cpus just decimate you and it's extremely hard to tell why. I think this is far more interesting than chess though, for the added complexity etc.
I agree -- I would love to play more of this game. The added complexity makes it more 'intuitive'. It becomes not so possible to analyze all variations and necessary to play on instinct. I have read that the game has been mastered by the new 'neural network' program Alpha Zero ... but have not been able to find any further information such as a detailed article on that
i'm very interested in learning how to play. thank you for this ^^ but i have a question. when a piece promotes, does it just become a Gold General, or does it still retain it's original set moves (ie: a lance moving straight forward)?
Pawns, Lances, Knights, Silvers don't keep their own moves, all of them moves like Gold But Rooks and Bishops will keep their own moves, and they'll move like king too
[soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [Oxcart] [Carriage] [Spear] [Knight] [Silver(Gen)] [GoldGeneral(Shogun)] -[KING]- [GoldGeneral(Shogun)] [Silver(Gen)] [Knight] [Spear] Meaning of the piece. There are other opinions in addition to this. This is a bit of a view. Even in Japan, I do not know the detailed origin. KING,SOLDIER,KNIGHT are correct.
Thanks for giving this input regarding the pieces. Similar but partly different interpretations can be found on my 'how to play shogi' page here: ancientchess.com/page/play-shogi.htm
When a piece is promoted, its original move is replaced by the new, promoted move. This is no loss in the case of a pawn, rook, bishop, or lance. But it a knight or silver could lose something the player wants to keep. Those are the only cases I can think of where a play may not want to promote.
That's right, good point! An interesting change, that came out of a few centuries of evolving Japanese variants. We go through the whole story in a dedicated section of our book ( aworldofchess.com )
Yes, it's the most complex. But still, it has a consisent logic, not too hard to learn. For some the Chinese/Japanese characters are a bit of a stumbling block -- so they can get used to with with user-friendly pieces
once a piece is promoted can u demote or unpromote it when moving into or out of the promotion zone? or does it stay promoted until the game is over or the piece is taken? ta much
Thanks, good question. Once a piece is promoted, it must remain promoted, until it is captured (or until the end of the game). If a promoted piece is captured, it reverts to its unpromoted state. If it is re-entered into play, it always enters as an unpromoted piece.
I started playing shogi, atleast really interresting game, i do not like chess anymore played it too much, I play against a cpu, still cannot win but im coming close! Where can i buy a board, do you know a place or website? As it is going to be a present for my 7 yo cousin, he learned chess at 5 and can even beat me already, now I want him to step up his game hahah :)
Just as you replied I won from the cpu in 62 moves, with my newly learned opening move; the deceiver. sdin.jp has allot of flash board games the one i'm playing is also a multiplayer which can be played with friends even overseas ! :) I really starting to love shogi, its frustrating yet so interresting ! Do you ship overseas to EU? also do you know where i might find a shogi table? I want that for my home as decoration :)
I like both very much, but now I am most fond of Japanese chess. I like the complications, and the fact that it never simplifies into a game with just a few pieces -- every piece keeps coming back into play. The fact that it is so complex to me means that it calls for more intuition and strategic positioning ... and then the attacks are always very dynamic
That will be an interesting variation indeed... and you will still be able to play standard shogi, simply by not practicing the promotion. So.. that only leaves the King. Would you like him to promote to ... a bishop? ...
@@gabriellecrawford9856 A wise choice! I've heard of one variant where the king promotes to move like a queen -- and trying to trap him is just too crazy!
Yeah, I want to make it easy to play. Also what is your favorite shogi piece? Mike's the bishop, because when you promote it, it can reach all the squares. Therefore a promoted bishop might actually be more powerful than the ROOK.
I've had several requests for that. I better get to it. Check me again soon. Thanks for the request. By the way, you can find the rules and download a free rule booklet on my web site AncientChess com. Till Soon -- Rick
Lol, I stopped Naruto Shippuden Episode 80 for this right when I heard about Shogi. I am confused though as to why there where red pieces? I am thinking that it could be a different type that is red when promoted, as I have seen. Please confirm or deny in a response.
Thanks for the comment and question. The red color is shown on the promoted sides, to make it easier to notice the promoted pieces. This is a relatively new convention, and the more traditional sets still have black on both sides. Exactly the same game, just a different way of making the set.
@@dipchipsip Yes -- whenever I sell a set, I include my instruction booklet .... but you can download the instruction booklet for free at ancientchess.com/page/free-downloads.htm (you will see there are many other free downloads there as well)
Thanks for the question. I can't really go into much theory of play here, but I do offer some good shogi strategy books online www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=shogi&LH_PrefLoc=2&_ssn=rickofricks&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR7.TRC2.A0.H0.Xshogi+book.TRS1&_nkw=shogi+book&_sacat=0
Hey my Chess Friends!
I appear in this new 4-hour film series on the Culture of Chess!
INFO AND DOWNLOAD AT ideasroadshow.com/chess/
WATCH THE TRAILER AT ruclips.net/video/zLnOklDkTGQ/видео.html
DVD FOR PURCHASE ON AMAZON www.amazon.com//dp/B0C13M1B84/
Shikamaru/ Asuma sensei
I find this on youtube ruclips.net/video/UC7QCYzkPq4/видео.html
climbing silver
I paused that episode to watch this video. God im a weeb
Hello
Hhhh naruto
Wow... A lot of people are here because of anime, and I'm only here because I like to play Chess! I think I'd like to learn to play this version sometime.
Yeah, it's funny how cultural things come around from different angles. I'm just glad people are discovering this game! (and I do enjoy a little anime now and then -- which my kids introduced me to!)....
AncientChess
Looks hard to learn because of no figures but writing. I think I would follow better if it were pieces like standard chess.
It's not really that hard to learn a handful of Chinese/Japanese characters -- for me that's part of the fun of learning this game. But it's a great game you wouldn't want to miss because of the cultural divide. Check out this video to see some 'simplified' and 'internationalized' style pieces that are available ruclips.net/video/UaV3f0QGDIk/видео.html
anime is not the reason why I came here because I HATE anime.
I don't like anime, I'm here because I love chess. Just to think of it, this Japanese chess is a little bit confusing.
Came here as I'll be able to understand 3-gatsu no lion better. Found this to be really interesting, will probably look more into this. Thanks :D
same reason
Very interesting! I'll have to check that out! Is it available in English?
sorry no, just the subtitled versions are available.
came here for the same reason :D
I'm fond of chess, so all that's left now is for me to recognize the pieces, I mean I have no freaking idea which piece is what, I now know their starting position but I don't understand the characters so.. xD
Thanks for mentioning what brought you here -- it seems many people first hear of shogi through manga. This page explains the whole game:
ancientchess.com/page/play-shogi.htm
... and this page shows a really nice 'international' set -- no japanese kanji needed!:
ruclips.net/video/dFK8zbUkg8k/видео.html
I'm a Japanese student. I am very happy to see that this much people got interested in Shogi thanks to Rei-kun and Shikamaru!!! I came here to announce that the youngest title holder has born on 7/16!!! His name is Sōta Fujii, who debuted as the youngest professional player on 2016. He is the 5th "kishi"(shiogi player) in the history who became a professional(just same as Rei Kiriyama). Real shogi world is now much more anime-like than any manga/anime ever!!! I would be very glad if you get interested in nonfictional shogi world and enjoy it, too!!!
Yes, this is an amazing moment in the history of Shogi! I wish I could find more videos in English about Sōta Fujii. His skill and accomplishments at such a young age are unbelievable!
Very funny -- most of the comments I get lately are that people learned of this game from manga comics!
Believe me, this really is a great game -- not just for manga and anime heroes. I actually sell a manga book on my site, specifically about a (Japanese) boy whose sole ambition is to have a successful shogi club in his school (Don't Cry Zeffiro)
Dude, aside from that, the famous anime Naruto had characters who plays shogi. Asuma Sarutobi, Shikamaru Nara, and Shikadai Nara of Boruto: Naruto Next Generations.
I've never heard of that manga! Thanks for all the good info!
I should make a show with a similar episode.
"Who is the king?"
"You'll know when it's time."
Who remembers this?❤️
...sounds familiar from some of the threads below...
@@AncientChess Its a reference from Naruto❤️
I do !
@@thatcherbannon8035 is that your real name?
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I'm here because of Rei Kiriyama in March Comes in Like a Lion.
same dude :))
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Blue Raja asked about castling (for some reason, RUclips isn't giving me a 'reply' link at the bottom of that comment, so I reply here as a new comment):
In shogi, a player generally 'castles by hand.' That is, the player creates a specific formation of pieces around the king for a measure of protection. This formation is called a 'castle', but there is no special move for castling as there is in international (western) chess
March comes in like a lion brought me here. Wanted to understand shogi a bit better
Nice video! This video helps me how to play shogi. Will recommend this video to my friends who is keen to play shogi. Sorry for my bad english grammar. Thanks a lot!
I'm here because of Ryuo no Oshigoto! I wanted to actually understand what I was watching, better! thanks a lot for this video! It was worth the 8 and a half minutes of my life!
Thanks for the good comment! If you ever have any more of your lifetime to burn, I've got hours of videos! If you really want to spend a lot of your life's time, check out our book at aworldofchess.com
Me, too! I also watched the anime. It's fun. Are there any computer games I can try to learn shogi?
Draelyn Same XD
Same! But it’s still hard because the pieces are still Japanese characters which I don’t understand of course
Same
Thanks. Go to my web site AncientChess com for free booklet downloads and available sets and collectors stuff. Also, you can contact me directly through the site.
Came here after Samurai Champloo and No game no life shogi is interesting as I love chess too so learning about shogi might help me expand my skills/tactics and get better
Shikamaru: you see........
Promotion is done as a part of a regular move; it is not a move in itself. A piece may choose to promote when it a) enters the promotion zone (opponent's first 3 rows), b) moves out of the promotion zone, or c) moves within the promotion zone. Once it is promoted, it remains so until it is captured.
I absolutely love chess and this game looks like something I've really been missing out on
I have to agree -- this is a fantastic came, very dynamic and complex in a good way! I hope you find people to play this with (maybe even in person -- they are certainly to be found online). I think you'll find this game is everything you expect, and more
I like how it's so simplistic. No bullshit like carving pieces and making different shapes. Just written on a piece of wood.
Yes, very elegant and very Japanese. But hey -- the other chess styles have their charm ... don't they?
@@AncientChess I agree. But most minimalistic aproach award goes to Japan.
Thanks, I love your booklet downloads. I bought a shogi set from ebay and look forward to learning it with a friend.
Thanks for mentioning the free booklet downloads. Really, anyone interested in this or any of the other world chess forms will get a lot of benefit from these free booklets.
ancientchess.com/page/free-downloads.htm
i loved how to play crib the gentleman was helpful to instruction very knowledgeable
Hey bro are you live ?
Very interesting! This is the first time I've heard a report that shogi is actually so popular now in Japan. That's great! Thanks for the link to dojo.com
Thanks, absolutely! Hidetchi's videos are very enjoyable and can take the beginning player well along the way to being a strong player.
I got this mesage from Diego Tovar: "I came here because I love ajedrez. The name of the pieces of chess in English are so damn weird!!! First of all, the rook???? What the heck is a rook, it's a tower. The knight is a horse, not a knight. The Bishop?????? How about calling it the guard. The ponds, That name is a okay. The king and queen are fine too."
Hey Diego, if you're still listening -- Good questions! Those and many, many more are answered in detail in our book ( aworldofchess.com ).
"Rook" means nothing in English, but is carried over from the centuries-old Persian word "Rukh", apparently meaning 'the flank' -- and it was a chariot!
Much as the Spanish word "Alfil" is carried over from the Arabic -- it means an elephant! Calling it a Bishop in English is just an arbitrary association during Catholic domination -- it remains a "runner" (courier) in most north European languages -- and in Italy it became a 'standard bearer' (flag waver) because 'alfil' sounds like the Italian 'alfiere'.
That word is pawn, not pond ... and you may be interested to know the queen was always a kin'gs adviser before chess came to Europe.
You've asked many good questions -- you may find the history almost as interesting as your opinions of the pieces.
1st: You are unable to do it. For example, you can not drop a knight on 1st & 2nd ranks.
2nd: You have to decide when a piece is leaving the promote area. If you select no-promotion, the piece can not promote until it goes inside the area again.
3rd: It is similar to chess. You move a pawn, it promotes, and the turn ends. In Shogi, you move a piece, it promotes (or not-promotes), and the turn ends.
Thanks for covering those questions for me. I don't get back to my videos often and miss many of the comments
I've heard of people preferring shogi to chess an now I see why. Shogi looks wonderful.
Thanks for checking this out. Yes, it becomes a very different and very intense game. I'm sorry to say, I don't have time to play very much myself, and haven't looked up online sites, although I am sure you can find some good ones. I hope you do get into this game one way or another. It's really an amazing expansion on the concept of chess.
Yes, they are very different. And shogi is certainly the most complex of the major chess forms. And not as many people play it. But it's a fantastic game! The dynamics are so rich and combinations so numerous that intuition becomes all the more vital. I teach chess to school kids and some of them take a surprisingly strong interest in shogi. Just another one of the world's great board games.
Dude the first time i played this game i got destroyed, this is hard as hell
Kwenten haha indeed i only moved my pawns, bishop and rook because those where the guys i only knew how to use xD
@@revelred lol, i gatta try this holy shit
when the first time i played this game i got destroyed by beginner bot
Watch your language! There are children present!
Great suggestion regarding 81dojo com . They're doing a fantastic job promoting shogi around the world!
難しさに関係なくchessも囲碁も将棋もそれぞれ面白さがあるよね
Yes, it was.
ええ、そうです。
Good question. I once played with a player who did not understand this correctly. When the silver, horse, lance or pawn are promoted, they have the move of the gold, and no longer retain their original move.
Thanks for the good comment! Enjoy shogi -- I think it's one of the best variants ever. If I could find players around here, I'd probably prefer it to regular old 'chess' ...
Thank you for the video and brief introductory leaflets.
A pleasure to share this! Leave questions or comments any time.
Those printable instruction booklets are at
ancientchess.com/page/free-downloads.htm
im here because i like to watch naruto believe it!
funny because I came because I say shikmauro play this what he's sensei and I wanted to play it to
+WyvernKiller02 Here's a nice shogi clip ruclips.net/video/vn7bkFrffZk/видео.html
+Evan Polk I think if you learn to play this game well, you actually acquire the ninja powers of Naruto Uzumaki. Just sayin'
WyvernKiller02 me too!
Yo I thought I was the only one who watches Naruto in this video
honestly i played Xiangqi (Chinese Chess), Western Chess (not sure if this is how its call) and Shogi i think Shogi is the most fun and more diverse to me because anything can happen in one round such as promotion and used the "eaten" piece.
Thanks, I agree, I think if I could play any of the variants more often it would be shogi. It's so complicated, it leaves a great deal to the imagination and intuition. It never dries out into a gradual, inevitable win or draw. With all 40 pieces in play, the intensity just doesn't let up!
exactly lol
象棋，西洋棋，將棋。升變和打入
Speaking of Taikyoku shogi - yes, it's incredible. Check out the articles on Wikipedia - just search 'shogi variant' and you'll see a whole list of variants large and small. My new thing (video coming soon!) is a tiny shogi variant called 'Let's Catch the Lion', played on a 2 x 4 board with 4 pieces each!
i love your series!
Brooo are you live
@@Kerim.liebert I live
7:11 It's legal to check a king by placing a pawn as long as the king doesn't get killed with the move.
11 11 he said it was illegal to checkmate the king like that. Not check it
Right. It's illegal to give CHECKMATE (not completely demonstrated in the video) by dropping a pawn into play, but it IS legal to give CHECK by dropping a pawn. Thanks for the clarification -- sorry I didn't do a full demonstration when I mentioned that rule.
This is awesome , its like a war... makes chess seem simple
Yes, it's easy to learn but with the pieces continuing to come back it never winds down to a simplified endgame. All 40 pieces are active continually until a checkmate is given. I think it's my favorite, I just don't have much opportunity to play. Much more info in our book aworldofchess.com
The art when you can use others bricks vs them makes the game more interesting this is a game im gonna learn :3
+Yuri Hansen Yes, the re-use of captured pieces makes this game amazingly complex and very dynamic. I think you'll love it
nice! Very clear tutorial :)
Thank you Rick the Ancient Chess Guru.
:)
Checked your site, nice content in the download section. Thanks.
I should try it some time. But at the moment, I actually play very little, I'm so busy promoting the games! My favorite is to play over-the-board, but for that, around here, only 'chess' is available (which I also enjoy very much) ...still, I only get to the chess club about once a month! Please, enjoy some shogi games for me!
Gotta check this out first before watching 3-gatsu no lion
I personally prefer to play Chess. You can play many more opponents and the pieces are easy to obtain and learn. However, shougi it isn't that easy and trying to teach somebody else how to play it is a nightmare.
Chess and Shougi are almost two completely separate games, as the strategies are way different on both games.
Seems like this video was made a long time ago, but I have three questions. I hope that someone will answer them for me.
1st Question: When Rick talked about one being unable to place/drop a piece in an unnatural move/spot does that mean that you are unable to do it, or that you just shouldn't. Does it have to be dropped on a place where the piece can move? Is it a rule that you can't or just advice that you shouldn't?
2nd Question: When you place a piece in the promoted area and move it out of the promoted area afterwards. Do you have a timelimit whether you want to promote it or not, or can you do it through out the whole game. (Since it spawned in the promoted area)
3rd Question: If you promote a piece, does the round end or can you still continue to move?
/Qedda
that's a quite nice thing !! i also come here to understand 3 gatsu no lion better but now I have gotten an Intrest in it will surely download the booklet ^_^ thanx a lot
Thanks for the message. I'm glad to hear shogi is getting a new life in manga -- and beyond!
The ryou's work is never done!!
We started reading Tokyo Ghoul a few years ago. Lots of sickening flesh eating! ... was there shogi too?
very well explained, thank you for this!
Very helpful. Thank you!
+PaulThePuppeteer -- Thanks for the good comment. Check my web site AncientChess.com, and send me messages any time
Hunter X Hunter and Pop Team Epic brought me here.
Hey AC, do you mind if I use a few seconds of this for a video I'm doing on a Shogi game on PS1?
Thanks for asking. Go ahead, you are welcome to use it.
Rick
@@AncientChess thank you!
I went to the website but I couldn’t find the booklet could you explain that?Overall your video was really helpful.
Thanks for asking. It's in the 'free downloads' section. Here's a direct link to the booklet
veryspecial.us/free-downloads/AncientChess.com-Shogi.pdf
I came here because one of the launch titles in japan for the n64 was this game and I was looking up what it was.
How do u manage time to make such wonderful videos and answer every comment (except mine) even 10 years later!!?? I will invent a great(est) chess variant one day
Good question. I have made very few videos in the last couple years. Want to get back on it. But as long as RUclips sends notifications to my email ... I keep answering!
aworldofchess.com
another great video sir! can you please go over the new rule changes in regular chess? I found that pawn promotion has been updated and that two illegal moves in a game loses?? Or something like that?
Thanks for the good comments, Eric!
The official rules are updated periodically, but they are really just technicalities for procedures in tournaments. I suppose serious tournament players should keep up on these details, so they are not surprised by a ruling over the chessboard -- but the 'new rules' don't significantly change the usual play of the game. Here is an article that details those recent changes, made in 2014
www.chess.com/news/view/changes-in-laws-of-chess---what-should-you-know-8522
I came here because of all the Isekai Mangas that I have read. The video was very absorbable. Next I will learn Go or Reversi and maybe Mahjong too !
Loves chess ...what to learn this form of chess too
Got to! You'll never want to stop!
Thanks. You helper me alot
Thanks for letting me know! It's a pleasure to share this information. I love shogi!
Thanks very helpful
I love chess. No other way or put it. I love it. And Chinese checkers.
So when I watched naruto and saw "Japanese chess" I was like, "boi gotta learn me some a dat!"
Definitely going to get a shogi set
Absolutely! If you get to play a few games of this I think you're gonna love it! The possibilities on the shogi chessboard are astounding
Hii, @AncientChess sir. I am searching for some good quality shogi board and pieces. can you tell me which brand of board you are using and also if possible, can you send me a link to a good shogi board with the same letters also?
Thanks for your message. I get most of my shogi items from Nekomado, in Japan. I think you will find that there are many quality shogi items in the eBay listings.
So if a promoted piece is captured, it has to come back on the board at base value, or is it still promoted? That's the only thing that I didn't get. Okay I re-listened the rules of putting peices down, and I think I get it.
Thanks for asking. Pieces dropped into play are always put in as their original value -- never as the promoted value (mentioned at 6:25). Along those same lines, when the piece is sitting off the side of the board, after being captured, it should be in clear view, showing its original (not promoted) value -- so that both players can see the pieces 'in hand' as well as the pieces on the board.
You explained it extremely well, but still looks very confusing to me. But I'm sure if i got the jist of it, it would be really fun to play.
Yes, confusing because it's new and because it has a different sort of alphabet. Also, admittedly, it is more complex than any of the other main-stream chess variants (but far, far from the most complex). There are some very nice remedial shogi sets that help teach the moves as you go -- while still playing the full traditional game.
But I always say hey: If you wanted to learn a few elementary sentences in Japanese ... where's the bathroom, what time is it, I like my coffee black, which is the train to Tokyo -- you already would have far surpassed the few words and rules you need to learn to play this game. Another example: a second grader is expected to know about 1600 kanji characters and to write about 800. And here we are, just needing to learn a handful.
Go for it! We can do this thing!
thank you. i was confused about that ^^
Seems pretty fun, no idea how to proper calculate though, since i d mix the pieces waaay to easy up. Would take me some time to differanciate between the pieces.
It's not such a leap as it may seem at first. Especially if you get a little into how the calligraphy came to have the various meanings of the pieces. But three are very nice internationalized and learning sets that can make the game much more immediately accessible
Hunter x Hunter
same, it looks like gunji
Lel same I wish Gungi was a real game
mOHmD You still 😭 two years later? I know I am...
@@xHe11houndx it's not real game togashi created it himself
So, there's not a queen but if a pawn promotes it kind of becomes one because it gets more abilities?
Yes, many pieces, including pawns, promote in this game. The pawn, fragrant chariot (lance), cinnamon horse (knight) and silver general all change to have the power of the gold general. The flying chariot (rook) and angle mover (bishop) keep their original power, but also gain the power of the king's move (one step any direction). Only the king and gold general do not promote.
@@AncientChess Thank you very much!
very good, thank you :)
Hey bro are you live?
I'm here because of Yakuza Zero.
Same. And I'm still nowhere near defeating that old geezer in the alley. One day I will break that damn Shougi board on his head ಠ_ಠ
Same
This is very interesting, the games must end up being pretty crazy if you can just replace everything you capture. Do you have any online sites recommended for playing?
Try lishogi, or 81 dojo
I am an Indian I saw the series naruto and I saw shikamaru always playing the game I like the game but it's complicated
Audio could be improved. A little hard to hear clearly.
I know. That was the state of my equipment in those days. My new videos are much better technically
These chess variants like Shogi and Chinese Chess etc could sell better if those pieces had symbols on them or an english translation even on computer games.
If Ripstone Games or some other board game developer made something like Japanese Chess Ultra or Chinese Chess Ultra like Chess Ultra, they would definitely have my purchase.
The traditional Chinese characters are a limitation for sure, although I personally enjoy the opportunity to learn that aspect of the culture.
Check out the easy-to-learn shogi options here:
www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn=rickofricks&_from=R40&_trksid=p2499338.m570.l1313.TR6.TRC2.A0.H0.Xshogi.TRS1&_nkw=shogi&_sacat=0
I have some good options for Chinese chess ... but sorry, not yet listed online ...
can you tell me were can i download it it seems very interesting
I simply call the silver General the elephant because the way it moves
Makes sense... Especially if you're coming to this from Burmese chess..
@@rickknowlton9990 plus to avoid confusion with the other generals
If you are put in check do you have to move your king, or can you block the check, or capture the checking piece?
Thanks for asking. It's like other forms of chess in that respect. Moving the king, blocking the check or capturing the attacker are all possible
Is there castling? Wikipedia says something about castling, but you didn't mention it in this video.
don't rely on Wikipedia.
+Blue Raja In shogi, a player generally 'castles by hand.' That is, the player creates a specific formation of pieces around the king for a measure of protection. This formation is called a 'castle', but there is no special move for castling as there is in international (western) chess
+Jaren Molod It's true, sometimes we lean on Wikipedia too much! The info there is usually good, often the best of what comes up in google search -- but it's not perfect and not thoroughly vetted. It happens that Wikipedia has some amazing pages of shogi variants, which I would highly recommend for anyone who's interested. Shogi variants are a universe unto themselves!
I don't post Wikipedia pages myself (though I have much to offer if I ever find the time) ... but a few years back, I did correct a shogi page which had a HUGE image of a shrimp in the middle of the article, for no reason. It turned out the code referencing the intended image had the word 'prawn' in it, where it meant to have 'pawn'. I edited it, taking out the 'r' -- and the page magically snapped into the correct format with the intended image. Funny.
Oh, nice!! Thank YOU.
A pleasure to get your good comment. Send messages any time.
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There needs to be a great cpu learning system for this. I tried to start, and the cpus just decimate you and it's extremely hard to tell why. I think this is far more interesting than chess though, for the added complexity etc.
I agree -- I would love to play more of this game. The added complexity makes it more 'intuitive'. It becomes not so possible to analyze all variations and necessary to play on instinct. I have read that the game has been mastered by the new 'neural network' program Alpha Zero ... but have not been able to find any further information such as a detailed article on that
i'm very interested in learning how to play. thank you for this ^^
but i have a question. when a piece promotes, does it just become a Gold General, or does it still retain it's original set moves (ie: a lance moving straight forward)?
They do not keep their original moves.
Pawns, Lances, Knights, Silvers don't keep their own moves, all of them moves like Gold
But Rooks and Bishops will keep their own moves, and they'll move like king too
You forgot that Lances can be promoted to Gold Generals as well.
good observation! That one slipped by me
[soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier] [soldier]
[Oxcart] [Carriage]
[Spear] [Knight] [Silver(Gen)] [GoldGeneral(Shogun)] -[KING]- [GoldGeneral(Shogun)] [Silver(Gen)] [Knight] [Spear]
Meaning of the piece.
There are other opinions in addition to this.
This is a bit of a view.
Even in Japan, I do not know the detailed origin.
KING,SOLDIER,KNIGHT are correct.
Thanks for giving this input regarding the pieces. Similar but partly different interpretations can be found on my 'how to play shogi' page here:
ancientchess.com/page/play-shogi.htm
Lol playing Yakuza 0 and really trying to beat this mini game of shogi, and western chess is way different hahaha
You can play ... against anime characters? ...
what is the point of non promoting a piece if you just can promote and move the same way but better ?
When a piece is promoted, its original move is replaced by the new, promoted move. This is no loss in the case of a pawn, rook, bishop, or lance. But it a knight or silver could lose something the player wants to keep. Those are the only cases I can think of where a play may not want to promote.
To Download the rule booklet, got to the AncientChess . com site and select "Free Downloads" (bottom right of page)
Thanks,
Rick
It's also 9x9 board (81 squares)
That's right, good point! An interesting change, that came out of a few centuries of evolving Japanese variants. We go through the whole story in a dedicated section of our book ( aworldofchess.com )
Hunterxhunter got me hooked on shogi!
Definitively the most difficult chess family game
Yes, it's the most complex. But still, it has a consisent logic, not too hard to learn. For some the Chinese/Japanese characters are a bit of a stumbling block -- so they can get used to with with user-friendly pieces
Thats way too much rules bur the real issue is that the tables look all the same to me is there any versiorn with figures like chess?
Instructions unclear. Broke my chess board.
Criticism also unclear. What's the problem?
@@AncientChess poor attempt at a joke
@@MusicalSavior23 I'd be interested to hear what you really think any time. I hope you're enjoying shogi!
once a piece is promoted can u demote or unpromote it when moving into or out of the promotion zone? or does it stay promoted until the game is over or the piece is taken? ta much
Thanks, good question. Once a piece is promoted, it must remain promoted, until it is captured (or until the end of the game). If a promoted piece is captured, it reverts to its unpromoted state. If it is re-entered into play, it always enters as an unpromoted piece.
I started playing shogi, atleast really interresting game, i do not like chess anymore played it too much, I play against a cpu, still cannot win but im coming close! Where can i buy a board, do you know a place or website? As it is going to be a present for my 7 yo cousin, he learned chess at 5 and can even beat me already, now I want him to step up his game hahah :)
Just as you replied I won from the cpu in 62 moves, with my newly learned opening move; the deceiver. sdin.jp has allot of flash board games the one i'm playing is also a multiplayer which can be played with friends even overseas ! :) I really starting to love shogi, its frustrating yet so interresting ! Do you ship overseas to EU? also do you know where i might find a shogi table? I want that for my home as decoration :)
Which one do you prefer? Chinese chess or japanese chess
I like both very much, but now I am most fond of Japanese chess. I like the complications, and the fact that it never simplifies into a game with just a few pieces -- every piece keeps coming back into play. The fact that it is so complex to me means that it calls for more intuition and strategic positioning ... and then the attacks are always very dynamic
If I ever get a shogi set, I'll draw a Chinese took sign on the back of the gold general to allow it to promote to a rook.
That will be an interesting variation indeed... and you will still be able to play standard shogi, simply by not practicing the promotion. So.. that only leaves the King. Would you like him to promote to ... a bishop? ...
No. Each side must always have a king. I'll leave the king a king, because after all, you must have SOMETHING to checkmate!
@@gabriellecrawford9856 A wise choice! I've heard of one variant where the king promotes to move like a queen -- and trying to trap him is just too crazy!
Yeah, I want to make it easy to play. Also what is your favorite shogi piece? Mike's the bishop, because when you promote it, it can reach all the squares. Therefore a promoted bishop might actually be more powerful than the ROOK.
I've had several requests for that. I better get to it. Check me again soon. Thanks for the request. By the way, you can find the rules and download a free rule booklet on my web site AncientChess com. Till Soon --
Rick
Lol, I stopped Naruto Shippuden Episode 80 for this right when I heard about Shogi. I am confused though as to why there where red pieces? I am thinking that it could be a different type that is red when promoted, as I have seen. Please confirm or deny in a response.
Thanks for the comment and question. The red color is shown on the promoted sides, to make it easier to notice the promoted pieces. This is a relatively new convention, and the more traditional sets still have black on both sides. Exactly the same game, just a different way of making the set.
@@rickknowlton9990 thank you so much, as this is what I was previously thinking, I just needed to confirm this. Thanks!
@@rickknowlton9990 Thanks to you, I have just placed an order on a shogi board. On your website, are the instructions free?
@@dipchipsip Yes -- whenever I sell a set, I include my instruction booklet .... but you can download the instruction booklet for free at ancientchess.com/page/free-downloads.htm
(you will see there are many other free downloads there as well)
So how to do the double wing attack?
Thanks for the question. I can't really go into much theory of play here, but I do offer some good shogi strategy books online www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=shogi&LH_PrefLoc=2&_ssn=rickofricks&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR7.TRC2.A0.H0.Xshogi+book.TRS1&_nkw=shogi+book&_sacat=0