Just bought some White Buffalo last weekend in a local Gem and Mineral Show. Looking forward to cutting and polishing up some cabs. Thank you for presenting the differences in white colored stones.
I have howlite, white tiger magnesite, white buffalo ( from the Royston claim), chalcosiderite (New Lander claim). When cut and sold they are identified and priced accordingly.
Howlite and "White Turquoise" are definitely not the same thing. The street term "White Turquoise" is a loose term. This can refer to any gemstone that has the same hardness and matrix look as Turquoise that is white. Having said that, true white color Turquoise is very rare and must contain a specific percentage of Turquoise according to GIA.
To address some questions: I know I say there is no "White Turquoise" in the video and then describe things as "White Turquoise".. this is me using the common slang, not geology or gemology
Im 68 years old and my Dad and I would go up hear Palmdale ( ? or somewhere close could have been near Acton since I was inly 10 years old I cant exactly remember )and you could dig up Howlite there . I still have quite a bit
White Buffalo and White turquoise doesn't exist. It's howlite. They never showed the actual mine. It's like called an aquamarine "Blue emerald". So if your earrings are howlite, keep them. Howlite is a beautiful gem, not cheap plastic.
Thank you for this informative video on White/Buffalo Turquoise! I have a vintage pendant with a substantial stone without loupe it appears to poss. be Howlite however in viewing under loupe the veins are small (spider web) some are stark black where 1st glance it appeared to be more gray/silver like the Howlite. I am now confused. BTW, the bail/setting are substantial silver chain may not be orig. but it too is substantial. Any suggestions how to verify this stone? TIA!
OK Hey man, do you know what I couldn’t believe it when I looked at your channel and you’re showing white turquoise? And I am from New Mexico open the four corners area. Oh you taught this old man a new trick. And I have lots of turquoise and silver miss the home.
Thank you. There is so much misinformation about "white turquoise," "white buffalo" out there. This is the clearest and most concise information I have seen. Do you happen to know what the mineral is that is "white buffalo?" Thanks again.
Howlite. Quote:" Sometimes, vendors sell howlite in its natural (albeit unremarkable) state under the misnomer “white turquoise.” Buyer beware. There’s no such thing." www.gemsociety.org/article/turquoise-jewelry-gem-information/ That quote was directly copied and pasted from the International Gem Society page on turquoise, read it for yourself on that page. The poster of this channel is trying to deceive you. Turquoise is never white.
I have a question i bought white turquoise in virginia city, from back in the day when the mining was active. Do you have any more info upon this item prices and all?
Angele Ryan I've come across a similar case. It was suggested that White Buffalo is just a new name for Howlite which is being sold at higher prices. I was disappointed with their lack of knowledge. I felt misguided. I've learned to do lots of research when it comes to different material.
To get straight facts about Turquoise Read the books: TURQUOISE, by Joseph E. Pogue, TURQUOISE The Gem of the Centuries, by Oscar T. Branson, TURQUOISE, , Joe Dan and Joe P. Lowry
The egyptions had a turquoise mine in the desert of the holy land I remember seeing that on the naked archeologist video awhile back the Israelites were the miners who left writing on the walls.
Howlite and White Buffalo/White Turquoise are different stone compositions. They are a whole different stone. Many people try to pass off Howlite as White Turquoise, and maybe unknowingly, but it is not the real thing. There are plenty of websites describing the differences that you may want to peruse. Cheers!
Does anyone know if Jefferson Abeyta used whiite buffalo turquoise. I have a cuff of his that has a white stone with a light brown matrix. It does not have the howlite gray matrix and has a decent polish to it. From what I understand, white buffalo can have a brownish matrix closer to the center of the rock. Help?
@@DurangoSilver ok so around Moab Utah what gems of value are around there do you know ? I'm new to want g to look for stones and I'm looking for a stone cutter and a 6 wheels buffer and other stuff that I might need do you know where I can get any of that ???
As we all know; The composition of turquoise is Hydrated phosphate of copper and aluminum with some including iron thus the blue or green and shades of that color, and howlite is a hydrous calcium borate, and if white buffalo turquoise is a turquoise that has no metals in it, than what is it a hydrated form of? He did say that one piece had high silica and was considered high grade white buffalo. What exactly is the composition of white turquoise?, and specifically White Buffalo? This is not clear.
Is it just the silica content as opposed to howlite? Because he said it was called opalized calcite. Maybe it's amorphous calcite material? Does anybody have more information about it?
Real turquoise is NEVER white. Anything that is called "white turquoise" is a fake. BTW-I can dye howlite to look like real turquoise, only way to tell the difference is by scratching the stone.
There is such a thing as white turquoise. It usually appears as part of the same vein of Turquoise as blue or green turquoise. You can see it often in King's Manassa Turquoise from Colorado. I stone will fade from green to white in the same vein or cabochon if cut. If you have this material tested it will come back as Turquoise.
No existe la turquesa blanca. La howlite no es turquesa, es un borato de calcio con sodio y potasio. Se tiñe la howlite para hacerla pasar por turquesa genuina.
There are many gems called white turquoise. Most are other gems. The most popular are howlite, magnasite, and chalcosiderite. There is such a thing as white turquoise. It usually appears as part of the same vein of Turquoise as blue or green turquoise. You can see it often in King's Manassa Turquoise from Colorado. I stone will fade from green to white in the same vein or cabochon if cut. If you have this material tested it will come back as Turquoise.
You start the video telling us” there’s no such thing as white turquoise”. Then you end the video with a white stone that tests as turquoise. So, does white turquoise exist? Thank you Chaz
I've ran into the same Angele! Also one tried to convince me my Burmese Jade was fake, ya right it was appraised at $2400.00 before I had the gold hinges/bezels added with hand engraved art nouveau designs. Glad I didn't listen to the guy.
So based on this video... White Turquoise DOES exist? I just want to be clear. Sounds like it is mined from White Creek mine in NV. I'm checking my understanding because at the beginning of the video he said "we all know there is no such thing as White Turquoise."
Yes. White Turquoise does exist. There is such a thing as white turquoise. It usually appears as part of the same vein of Turquoise as blue or green turquoise. You can see it often in King's Manassa Turquoise from Colorado. I stone will fade from green to white in the same vein or cabochon if cut. If you have this material tested it will come back as Turquoise.
I do not have any opal or calcedony here. sorry. I do show many different kinds of gems that are referred to as "White Turquoise". I have displayed howlite, opalized chalcite, turquoise, and chalcociderite
If it is lower grade turquoise, with not quite all the proper ingredients to make it hard. Then it will turn white over time due to oxidation thus becoming chalky.
Just bought some White Buffalo last weekend in a local Gem and Mineral Show. Looking forward to cutting and polishing up some cabs. Thank you for presenting the differences in white colored stones.
I have howlite, white tiger magnesite, white buffalo ( from the Royston claim), chalcosiderite (New Lander claim). When cut and sold they are identified and priced accordingly.
Howlite and "White Turquoise" are definitely not the same thing. The street term "White Turquoise" is a loose term. This can refer to any gemstone that has the same hardness and matrix look as Turquoise that is white. Having said that, true white color Turquoise is very rare and must contain a specific percentage of Turquoise according to GIA.
I love the turquoise necklace you have on . Hope I can find one like that to buy .
I like the all of it I'll be on the look out for them. I learned alot thanks. Hope you'll be doing more videos on all Turquoise with the hardness too
Awesome video - great information. Thank you!
To address some questions: I know I say there is no "White Turquoise" in the video and then describe things as "White Turquoise".. this is me using the common slang, not geology or gemology
It seems you're contradicting yourself because you said the dry creek stone was sent to lab and tested as being turquoise.
Don't trust the deceiving poster scam artist.
Im 68 years old and my Dad and I would go up hear Palmdale ( ? or somewhere close could have been near Acton since I was inly 10 years old I cant exactly remember )and you could dig up Howlite there . I still have quite a bit
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Also, copper makes the blue. Iron makes it green and zinc is what makes it yellow.
Very helpful. We found a necklace at Goodwill and just thought it was different turquoise but white and with lava rock.So I think it could be buffalo.
Thank you for this excellent information. I am now convinced that the earrings I purchased are Howlite. Wish I had seen this video first.
White Buffalo and White turquoise doesn't exist. It's howlite. They never showed the actual mine. It's like called an aquamarine "Blue emerald". So if your earrings are howlite, keep them. Howlite is a beautiful gem, not cheap plastic.
Thank you for this informative video on White/Buffalo Turquoise! I have a vintage pendant with a substantial stone without loupe it appears to poss. be Howlite however in viewing under loupe the veins are small (spider web) some are stark black where 1st glance it appeared to be more gray/silver like the Howlite. I am now confused. BTW, the bail/setting are substantial silver chain may not be orig. but it too is substantial. Any suggestions how to verify this stone? TIA!
silver costume fake jewelry. Not substantial
Wild Horse has become a favorite of mine. I loved mining for it in Arizona. Sadly I have but a single small piece left.
OK Hey man, do you know what I couldn’t believe it when I looked at your channel and you’re showing white turquoise? And I am from New Mexico open the four corners area. Oh you taught this old man a new trick. And I have lots of turquoise and silver miss the home.
Oh thank you for teaching me that.....love these stones
Thank you. There is so much misinformation about "white turquoise," "white buffalo" out there. This is the clearest and most concise information I have seen. Do you happen to know what the mineral is that is "white buffalo?" Thanks again.
He says in the video that white butfalo is opalized calcite.
Howlite. Quote:" Sometimes, vendors sell howlite in its natural (albeit unremarkable) state under the misnomer “white turquoise.” Buyer beware. There’s no such thing." www.gemsociety.org/article/turquoise-jewelry-gem-information/ That quote was directly copied and pasted from the International Gem Society page on turquoise, read it for yourself on that page. The poster of this channel is trying to deceive you. Turquoise is never white.
Who would want white turquoise? It is the blue of turquoise that attracts me.
There is howlite in an old borax mine just north of LA in Santa Clarita California
What type is blueish almost white?
Thanks for the lesson in turquoise.
I have a question i bought white turquoise in virginia city, from back in the day when the mining was active. Do you have any more info upon this item prices and all?
TY for putting this vid out there. Sharing!!!♥
How much in grams??
On a recent trip to Tucson, an 'expert' tried to convince me that Howlite and white Buffalo are the same thing.
Angele Ryan I've come across a similar case. It was suggested that White Buffalo is just a new name for Howlite which is being sold at higher prices. I was disappointed with their lack of knowledge. I felt misguided. I've learned to do lots of research when it comes to different material.
do you have any polished white turqouise?
Love this video great information
To get straight facts about Turquoise Read the books: TURQUOISE, by Joseph E. Pogue, TURQUOISE The Gem of the Centuries, by Oscar T. Branson, TURQUOISE, , Joe Dan and Joe P. Lowry
The egyptions had a turquoise mine in the desert of the holy land I remember seeing that on the naked archeologist video awhile back the Israelites were the miners who left writing on the walls.
Just wanted mention that
Thank you!
Lots of buffalo turquoise jewelry sold in Virginia City, NV..
White buffalo turquoise doesn't exist. Those white stone are howlite, a beautiful natural gem in its own right.
Howlite and White Buffalo/White Turquoise are different stone compositions. They are a whole different stone. Many people try to pass off Howlite as White Turquoise, and maybe unknowingly, but it is not the real thing. There are plenty of websites describing the differences that you may want to peruse. Cheers!
I love the stone it looks cool with nice matrix
Does anyone know if Jefferson Abeyta used whiite buffalo turquoise. I have a cuff of his that has a white stone with a light brown matrix. It does not have the howlite gray matrix and has a decent polish to it. From what I understand, white buffalo can have a brownish matrix closer to the center of the rock. Help?
Great video! Just wish maybe talked about the Mohs hardness of each?
Stiffness is the judg
great information.
very accurate explanation , thank you
Can I find white buffalo in southeast Utah?
No, White Buffalo is located near Tonopah, Nevada. It is a mineral specific deposit and all others are fake!
@@DurangoSilver ok so around Moab Utah what gems of value are around there do you know ? I'm new to want g to look for stones and I'm looking for a stone cutter and a 6 wheels buffer and other stuff that I might need do you know where I can get any of that ???
My howlite become transparent, is it real?
As we all know; The composition of turquoise is Hydrated phosphate of copper and aluminum with some including iron thus the blue or green and shades of that color, and howlite is a hydrous calcium borate, and if white buffalo turquoise is a turquoise that has no metals in it, than what is it a hydrated form of? He did say that one piece had high silica and was considered high grade white buffalo. What exactly is the composition of white turquoise?, and specifically White Buffalo? This is not clear.
Is it just the silica content as opposed to howlite? Because he said it was called opalized calcite. Maybe it's amorphous calcite material? Does anybody have more information about it?
Re: There is no such thing as a Turquoiseologist, just gemologists and geologists.
Howlite and White Buffalo are two different things, White Buffalo is also not Magnasite
DECEIVER.
@@cacatr4495 If you actually listen to what he says, this is a pretty accurate presentation
Thank you
Thank you Sir for this Informative video 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍🙏🙂 Bharat 🇮🇳
Thank you, good stuff!!!
I thought tortoise was Variscite??????
Masa alloh sangat cantik batu nya berwalitas warna yang bagus
جميل جدا
Thanks
Howlite is not turquoise. Turquoise cannot be white.
Silly many people call it white turquoise
Real turquoise is NEVER white. Anything that is called "white turquoise" is a fake. BTW-I can dye howlite to look like real turquoise, only way to tell the difference is by scratching the stone.
There is such a thing as white turquoise. It usually appears as part of the same vein of Turquoise as blue or green turquoise. You can see it often in King's Manassa Turquoise from Colorado. I stone will fade from green to white in the same vein or cabochon if cut. If you have this material tested it will come back as Turquoise.
No existe la turquesa blanca. La howlite no es turquesa, es un borato de calcio con sodio y potasio. Se tiñe la howlite para hacerla pasar por turquesa genuina.
En el vídeo dice que si existe la turquesa blanca pero que es difícil de encontrala en la naturaleza.
There are many gems called white turquoise. Most are other gems. The most popular are howlite, magnasite, and chalcosiderite. There is such a thing as white turquoise. It usually appears as part of the same vein of Turquoise as blue or green turquoise. You can see it often in King's Manassa Turquoise from Colorado. I stone will fade from green to white in the same vein or cabochon if cut. If you have this material tested it will come back as Turquoise.
You start the video telling us” there’s no such thing as white turquoise”. Then you end the video with a white stone that tests as turquoise.
So, does white turquoise exist?
Thank you
Chaz
More confused after watching this video and I have been studying/buying turquoise since 2006.
I've ran into the same Angele! Also one tried to convince me my Burmese Jade was fake, ya right it was appraised at $2400.00 before I had the gold hinges/bezels added with hand engraved art nouveau designs. Glad I didn't listen to the guy.
I have seen your Burmese jade and it was fake..
So based on this video... White Turquoise DOES exist? I just want to be clear. Sounds like it is mined from White Creek mine in NV. I'm checking my understanding because at the beginning of the video he said "we all know there is no such thing as White Turquoise."
He says the stone at 7:28 was sent to lab and was tested as being turquoise and it's white.
Yes. White Turquoise does exist. There is such a thing as white turquoise. It usually appears as part of the same vein of Turquoise as blue or green turquoise. You can see it often in King's Manassa Turquoise from Colorado. I stone will fade from green to white in the same vein or cabochon if cut. If you have this material tested it will come back as Turquoise.
People need to stop calling White Buffalo white turquoise. It misleads people
It has been said by experts that there is NO white turquoise
White turquoise. Is that they call white Buffalo. 🤔
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this is not Turquoise !!! opal and calcedon !!!
I do not have any opal or calcedony here. sorry. I do show many different kinds of gems that are referred to as "White Turquoise". I have displayed howlite, opalized chalcite, turquoise, and chalcociderite
White Turquise only your dream not reality sorry :)
I've seen alot of white turquoise, it's very low grade. We call it chalk. Lol...
If it is lower grade turquoise, with not quite all the proper ingredients to make it hard. Then it will turn white over time due to oxidation thus becoming chalky.
Thank you ☺️