I literally just watched the previous Starmie vid yesterday. And when you were saying, "We'll see how it does in Sun and Moon..." I felt a million years old.
Starmie always feels like one of those mons that will always find a niche for itself. Being a bulky water as well as an offensive water means that no matter what tier it's in it always has something to do. It's highly adaptable just like the animal it's based on
I think the most incredible thing about Starmie is how it retained its huge level of high tier power and versatility throughout all the gens since the first one despite not being given the same level of favoritism as a lot of other Gen 1 mons, like Charizard. No Mega Form, no Gigantamax, no regional variant, nothing. Since day 1 its simply been a fast, healthy Water/Psychic with great special attack and a movepool just varied enough to be highly useful offensively or defensively.
and it feels like to me gamefreak damn well knows this too and does everything in their power to create pokemon that "overshadow" starmie like greninja and arrowkuda to the point where they just thanos snap starmie from the series. shoving the newer mons that no one gives two flying shites about in our faces saying "love them LOVE THEM". well no gamefreak i will not love them, i will continue to use my starfish in ultra sun and i will wait for you to hopefully add it back in in scarlet and violet and if you dont... well i got litteraly hundreds of other games to play.
Cries in gen 2 where you can catch staryu relatively early but cannot get any decent spread move until very late in the game, and in gold/silver they're not even available (except psychic)
I love how Analytic acts like a faux-Stakeout and boosts Starmie’s damage on switch. That said, I would have much preferred Regenerator, as starfish are known for regeneration and it would have made Starmie a very unique spinner and offensive pivot
I'm still shocked that Starmie got the fucking Illuminate instead of Clear Body... Bro didn't deserve being done so dirty, plus I always thought Unaware would've been great for a Pokémon that's supposed to be an alien and, I assume, with no feelings
DUDE... STARMIE IS LITERALLY MY FAVOURITE POKEMON EVER. IT'S THANKS TO THE ORIGINAL VIDEO THAT I EVEN STARTED WATCHING YOU. THE FACT YOU'VE REMADE IT, AND ON CHRISTMAS DAY MY HEART IS POUNDING
@@thehybridtheory7109 it get's better... I've been picking Latias to be a video since the Donphan video. Their first video of 2021 wad that. This channel just knows me... eventually
It blows my mind how Starmie can run the same set of Hydro Pump/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Recover in every single generation and be a legit contender while doing that most of the time.
@@Zakuzelo Not a lot resists the combination and it has STAB for neutral hits. But with the existence of stuff like Ferrothorn and Volt Absorb Lanturn of all things, it's not foolproof.
when you look at old mons that held up a very long time, you see that they usually change their playstyle around. By staying versatile, they manage to find niches
@@iantaakalla8180 to be fair pretty much every pokemon that can learn shell smash turned into that lol. one of the undisputed best setup moves in the entire game series
I've seen a pretty good theory that Staryu and Starmie are inspired by Ultraman. They come from space, have a gem at their center that glows when they are weak, and at least in the English dub Staryu makes almost the same "Hiya!" sounds as the original Ultraman. The Ultra series, especially Ultraseven, was a direct inspiration for Pokemon so it'd makes sense, although not sure why they'd chose the starfish for this homage.
There has been alot of star shaped Color timers, though I don't remember if any of them debuted before Pokemon was conceived and even so we can say that its a Star because of how Ultramans tend to heal hosts who they view as worthy similar to how a starfish regenarates
It's not a theory it's a fact haha. Staryu's gem flashes when it is weak, just like the Ultra Warriors, plus all the stuff you said. And yeah, Staryu says 'Hiya!' or whatever in the Japanese dub as well.
Starmie has been one of my favorite Pokemon in competitive history just for how it has managed to be consistently strong but for different reasons. I remember wiping out teams with it in casual Gen 4 tournaments
Would Like that even more as an Paradox Future Form for starmie, which is sadly mostly unlikely, but oh heck would I buy a DLC for Scarlet and Violet just for that. Starmie legit becoming the Deathstar in Pokemon. Just not in ballshape ^^
@@upisntdownsilly starmie beeing an Alien makes even more sense as "Deathstar" Paradox Future Form imo. By that case make dragapult a Star destroyer Future form
It's crazy to think a Gen 1 Pokémon like Starmie was able to stay in OU for as long as it did. Still one of the best Water Types. I think they add an extra 30 points to its BST. It would be OU material at minimum again.
They could drop its Attack from 75 to 65 (people don't really relay on Rapid Spin or Attack stat in general for damage when it comes to Starmie), and then reallocate and also boost on top of it all the Speed and SpA stats. A 125 Speed stat and 115 SpA stat could help it stay relevant, thanks also to its extremely good coverage and decent typing. That would push its Base Stat to 535 - which is obviously very *good* but definitely not overpowered, in fact that's kind of the average for most of the threats Starmie used to face for most of its run. It would only be fair.
The number of 5s in this comment add up to 25. Which is Christmas, and what is on top of a Christmas Tree? A Star, or in this case, a Starmie. Stay woke FSG.
The star is a legend that will never really fall. It may have fallen to NU, but considering the literal legendaries that made it slide down, that just goes to show how this rather normal mon can go toe to toe with some of the GOATs and leave them with a hint of fear. I am 100% sure it’s only a good move or two or a good ability away from being backed up.
Y'know what would be an informative video I'd like to see? The mechanics of stats. Like, what does 100 special mean from a numbers prospective, and what does 100 special contribute to a special attack with a power of 80? How do HP, DEF, ATk, and attack damage come together to create HP loss? How do those calculations work?
In other words, you want a detailed explanation of the damage calculation formula. That's not a bad idea for a video, though be prepared to have to actually understand some math.
Im the same but by Snorlax, literaly every team needs to have one to be even able to compete in GSC OU Metagame and thats not over-centralization for some reason
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 for gsc snorlax it's mostly due to it being the primary thing keeping the pace of the game up. GSC is already a notoriously slow metagame already, and without snorlax in it, it'd be a significantly slower one.
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214snorlax actually was banned at one point, however was unbanned due to the tier now only having one specially bulky normal type to check the electrics, and since that was blissey, that lead to more stall teams and the tier got worse overall.
@TheWeeaboo To be fair, while there's a lot to complain about about Scar/Vio (and I mean, a *lot*, game is definitely a mess in all sorts of ways), the fact that they aren't implementing all 1000-ish pokemon fully at the release of every game isn't inherently one of them. Like, I don't know that I'd disagree with your overall point, but the specific line of attack you went for doesn't feel reasonable.
I may have never been a competitive Pokemon player, but Starmie will forever hold a special place in my heart for clutching the Level 50-capped cup for me in Pokemon Stadium.
So 13 years? Or is it 12? Smogon has existed since either 2003 or 2004. If a person younger than that is commenting here, it’s likely under parental supervision.
Merry Christmas Kellen! I've been watching these since the beginning, I've been using them as podcasts of sorts to listen too during hw and I'm really glad I have. I've really broadened my understandings of pokemon and have even started trying to slowly learn vgc. While all I can give you for christmas is a view and a like, I also give you thanks and cheers for the many years of consistent and great work you've done since that first charizard video
Just as a note: most Pokémon that "don't" say their own name in the English dub of the anime actually do, they just kept their _Japanese_ names for their cry, including Staryu and Starmie.
I wish Illuminate gave a 1.3x boost to accuracy like compound eyes. That way Starmie could run blizzard and thunder effectively. And hydro pump wouldn't miss.
Depending on which fangame or romhack you play that type of change actually exists! only one I can remember off the top of my head though is Radical Red.
So basically a re-skinned Compound-Eyes? Would be cool since it actually has the movepool to use it well and it would make up for its now slightly above average at best Special Attack.
I love how in each generation, the OU metagame seems to forget about Starmie, only for it to redefine the tier later with the same speech each time: “I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening, turns the legs to jelly. I ask you to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now it's here. Or should I say, I am.”
Starmie is one of my favorite Pokémon, in terms of non competitive lore it’s so underrated and so interesting. It’s battle prowess is just a juicy bonus.
I still remember using Starmie in Stadium having absolutely no idea how competitive worked or how good it actually was. Good to see that it's been consistently amazing all throughout the generations, it's one of my favorite Pokémon of all time
I've never been that big on competitive pokemon, but in gen 7, I joined a discord server and starmie helped me become the water gym leader there. Really good special atk and speed AND access to rapid spin shut down a surprising amount of challengers' game plan. It worked really well along walls like toxapex and ludicolo as well as monsters like golisopod and mega gyarados
Starmie is really underrated honestly and because of "competitive" settings, it's often forgotten that it has one of THE best coverages out of all Pokemon in the game, only beaten out by Mew and 1-2 others, since it can learn a strong, 100% accurate, special move of half of the types in the game (Surf/Scald, Psychic/Psyshock, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Power Gem, Grass Knot, Flash Cannon, Dazzling Gleam and Signal Beam), with a ton of utility as well for both singles and doubles (Rapid Spin, Recover, Icy Wind, dual Screens, Ally Switch, Gravity, even Psych Up for gimmicks)! It's seriously one of the most versatile Pokemon, even if unfortunately 99% of it's moveset is neglected...
Starmie is one of my favorite pokemon this was great and felt in depth exploring how it changed during the duration of the metagames it was in. Hearing starmie was in nu is nuts
Starmie vid was the first one I ever watched from you guys. Crazy to think that was 5 1/2 years ago. Love that the content has been so solid all this time.
My favorite pokemon getting a nearly hour long remake vid and on christmas day?? Couldn't have asked for a better present. Thanks as always FSG and happy holidays!
It's about time we got a remake for this Pokemon, and considering it remained competitively viable in Singles in just about every generation! Also, Crystal's Pokedex entry is a good explanation as to why it can learn Thunder Wave. Anyway, still waiting on the Netflix series that will be the Tyranitar remake, guys.
A perfect way to give an xmas gift would be with a Starmie video from you, especially of this classic kind. Equally fitting is it for it to be excellent to its very good end in NU
Starmie is a perfect example at maintaining a pokemon relevant DESPITE power creep. Good stats, great typing, great coverage, relevant moves Great job with this remake video FSG!
Oh yes thank you... In the last couple of months I was secretly hoping for a Starmie remake and here it is... Thank you again and Merry Xmas to anyone reading this comment✌🏻
I’ve been wanting this!! Starmie has always been one of my favorites, & since it was literally one of the first videos you did, that’s how I originally found your profile & subscribed right then & there! But sooooo much has happened since that video, so I’m so happy it’s getting a redo!
I remember the first time I watched Starmie in the anime that showed how it can do a thunderbolt by spinning like a dynamo and I was fascinated by this Pokémon ever since.
For six generations Starmie was the guardian of peace and balance in OU. Before the dark times...before Greninja. An elegant Pokemon, for a more civilized age.
Bolt beam has always been an amazing offensive combo. And gen 6 timid starmie could ohko anyone dumb enough to send out a mega garchomp against them. Which happened more than you'd expect in the 1000-1500 range on the showdown ladder.
Fun fact: discounting Arceus, Starmie was tied with Floatzel for being the fastest water type for the first five generations, with both having a base speed stat of 115. Their crown would later get claimed by Greninja’s 122 base speed
I remember using Starmie in HGSS and just having a really easy time in game. I always evolve Staryu right after learning recover. Surf, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam with recover is all I needed. Starmie was really strong and natural cure is a great ability.
Starmie is one of my all time favourite Pokémon, I hope it continues to be an amazing Pokemon in the upcoming generations and I hope more people will look into it and find different yet amazing sets for it in OU once again. In short, Starmie kicks ass and deserves to be known as the best Gen 1 Pokemon ever.
Starmie has been so defining OU bedrock since its introduction, so it was tragic to see it dropping to lower tiers in SM and even farther down in SwSh due to power creep. Starmie while no longer the OU king it once was was still incredible in its own niches in SwSh. If Starmie is brought back to SV as DLC, it will immensely benefit from terastalization if it is not yet banned. The skys the limit with tera versatility. For example, leaving behind it's psychic typing in exchange for mono water would immensely boost its defensive profile along with making its hydro pumps even deadlier. Starmie will always been good no matter the tiers. It's biggest weaknesses are its 4 moveslot syndrome and it's rather modest stats other than speed. Here's hoping in SV when it comes back, it gains access to nasty plot, calm mind, defog, and possibly illuminate being buffed to act like the new compound eyes. Merry Christmas False Swipe Gaming. Thank you for another excellent year of competitive Pokémon analysis.
starmie is always in my team in every generation, can learn electric, ice, water, psychic moves with high speed and special attack, nothing more you can ask for.
OMG???? I've been watching since you guys did the FIRST Starmie video! It's my absolute favorite Pokemon, and it has always been a superstar in my eyes (pun 100% intended). I know Starmie has fallen off in recent years, but I still love using it. And I still think it's REALLY good. 6 generations of OU usage is something I will always be proud of :,) This was a really pleasant video to wake up to on Christmas Day, that's for sure. Thank you FSG.
Starmie - one Pokemon that's readily available in most regions and understands the assignment - being a fast, somewhat bulky, special attacker; and either carries or enhances it's arsenal each time. just wondering why it doesn't get Mind Reader, Lock On, Shadow Ball, Moon Blast, Ancient Power, Moonlight, Shore Up or "Lunge" Analytic is a bit dodgy for it, and probably for trick room attempts illuminate could probably be buffed by either lowering the opponents accuracy by 1 stage after switching in or by increasing the users evasion by one stage upon switching in or increasing the users accuracy. It could also have the out of battle utility of not needing to use flash inside caves (at night) added.
Analytic works because it procs if the opponent switches and given Starmie's type coverage, it can actually use it effectively. Pretty useless for in-game playthroughs though given the AI usually don't switch. Just stick to Natural Cure for in-game as Illuminate is pretty useless. Starmie is also way too fast for Trick Room. A way to buff Illuminate would be to basically make it Compound-Eyes. A lot of weaker Pokemon could benefit from the accuracy buff on more powerful but less reliable moves and Starmie would probably be the best beneficiary (Thunder and Blizzard hit just over 90% accuracy which is more reliable and Hydro Pump even more).
They're probably considering remakes of everthing that didn''t include a Gen 7 analysis. There was a very obvious quality bump within that time period and almost all of the videos before then don't do a very good job of explaining the history of anything that wasn't always OU.
starmie starting to become unviable as of late doesnt rly make me sad bc i like to think abt it like starmies one of those all-time-great, world famous athletes who played a sport for like 2 or so decades and decided to hang up the towel in their 40s or 50s. its bittersweet but starmie proved itself to be one of the best to ever do it and unfortunately cant keep up with the climate of standard play anymore. being a gen 1 mon is technically being old anyway lol
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I literally just watched the previous Starmie vid yesterday. And when you were saying, "We'll see how it does in Sun and Moon..." I felt a million years old.
Same 😔
I know right...
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Crazy.
Just reading that send me on a time loop.
Starmie always feels like one of those mons that will always find a niche for itself.
Being a bulky water as well as an offensive water means that no matter what tier it's in it always has something to do.
It's highly adaptable just like the animal it's based on
Imagine Starmie had Adaptability then
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy hello specs hydro pump
Also it has Rapid Spin.
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacytera type it into water then xD this gen lol
unless a chien-pao type pokemon exists that is better in every way and is extremely similar to it
I think the most incredible thing about Starmie is how it retained its huge level of high tier power and versatility throughout all the gens since the first one despite not being given the same level of favoritism as a lot of other Gen 1 mons, like Charizard.
No Mega Form, no Gigantamax, no regional variant, nothing. Since day 1 its simply been a fast, healthy Water/Psychic with great special attack and a movepool just varied enough to be highly useful offensively or defensively.
and it feels like to me gamefreak damn well knows this too and does everything in their power to create pokemon that "overshadow" starmie like greninja and arrowkuda to the point where they just thanos snap starmie from the series. shoving the newer mons that no one gives two flying shites about in our faces saying "love them LOVE THEM". well no gamefreak i will not love them, i will continue to use my starfish in ultra sun and i will wait for you to hopefully add it back in in scarlet and violet and if you dont... well i got litteraly hundreds of other games to play.
Seeing Starmie go from an incredibly vibrant purple to such a faded and dull color is really sad.
Lots of old pokemon just get no love later on... and like idc if they stay the same but looking worse? Cmon...
That's because game freak are fucking pathetic at what they do. Lazy and incompetent. But who cares? People still give them their money.
A representation of the franchise as a whole
It's all that use in Sandstorm battles making it fade.
Shows how shitty game freak is. Look how beautiful all the Pokémon AND animations were in simply Pokémon stadium ONE.
To this day it is crazy good this Pokémon's coverage is. In general Starmie always does great in my playthroughs.
Surf, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, my go-to in-game moveset
Hydro Pump/Scald, Ice Beam, Psychic/Psyshock, Zap Cannon/Thunderbolt... pretty crazy!
@@thefirespecialist9007 Zap Cannon 💀
Cries in gen 2 where you can catch staryu relatively early but cannot get any decent spread move until very late in the game, and in gold/silver they're not even available (except psychic)
It gets Grass Knot, too.
I love how Analytic acts like a faux-Stakeout and boosts Starmie’s damage on switch. That said, I would have much preferred Regenerator, as starfish are known for regeneration and it would have made Starmie a very unique spinner and offensive pivot
Regenerator would also be a nice parallel to Natural Cure. If only they had dropped Illuminate so it could have all three...
I'm still shocked that Starmie got the fucking Illuminate instead of Clear Body... Bro didn't deserve being done so dirty, plus I always thought Unaware would've been great for a Pokémon that's supposed to be an alien and, I assume, with no feelings
@@petrie911 To be fair, Illuminate is good for shiny hunting.
It'd at least be cool if illuminate boosted accuracy similar to compound eyes
@@Gojira_uz I'd rather make it reduce the opponent's accuracy considering the ability's name... Much like the Brightpowder
Imagine just how broken Starmie would be if it had Regenerator instead of illuminate
It would make sense
Starfish
DUDE...
STARMIE IS LITERALLY MY FAVOURITE POKEMON EVER.
IT'S THANKS TO THE ORIGINAL VIDEO THAT I EVEN STARTED WATCHING YOU.
THE FACT YOU'VE REMADE IT, AND ON CHRISTMAS DAY
MY HEART IS POUNDING
Merry Xmas, W for Starmie
@@thehybridtheory7109 it get's better...
I've been picking Latias to be a video since the Donphan video.
Their first video of 2021 wad that.
This channel just knows me... eventually
same here! merry christmas
dont yell
@@mistermistermr732 Ok Sir mister mister mr sir
Hope everyone enjoys this remake it was a very long and challenging project! Happy Holidays to everyone and thank you for supporting the channel!
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Starmie is one of the rare Pokémon that actually can use an expert belt effectively
I destroyed in XY with expert belt Staryu 😈
another good mon i like to use with expert belt is nidoking
It blows my mind how Starmie can run the same set of Hydro Pump/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Recover in every single generation and be a legit contender while doing that most of the time.
Ol reliable
True.
Always bet on Bolt Beam.
@@Zakuzelo Not a lot resists the combination and it has STAB for neutral hits. But with the existence of stuff like Ferrothorn and Volt Absorb Lanturn of all things, it's not foolproof.
@@ShiningJudgment666 i cant think of many pokemon that are foolproof though.
when you look at old mons that held up a very long time, you see that they usually change their playstyle around. By staying versatile, they manage to find niches
And then there is Cloyster, which changed into a Shell Smash sweeper and has not changed since.
Meanwhile Magnezone's variation in his routine comes from what he's wearing that particular day
@@iantaakalla8180 to be fair pretty much every pokemon that can learn shell smash turned into that lol. one of the undisputed best setup moves in the entire game series
I've seen a pretty good theory that Staryu and Starmie are inspired by Ultraman. They come from space, have a gem at their center that glows when they are weak, and at least in the English dub Staryu makes almost the same "Hiya!" sounds as the original Ultraman. The Ultra series, especially Ultraseven, was a direct inspiration for Pokemon so it'd makes sense, although not sure why they'd chose the starfish for this homage.
SUPAH STAAAAH... SEVUUUN
True!
Does Starmie ever fire a beam in the anime? Because if it does then that might be a reference to the specium ray
There has been alot of star shaped Color timers, though I don't remember if any of them debuted before Pokemon was conceived and even so we can say that its a Star because of how Ultramans tend to heal hosts who they view as worthy similar to how a starfish regenarates
It's not a theory it's a fact haha. Staryu's gem flashes when it is weak, just like the Ultra Warriors, plus all the stuff you said.
And yeah, Staryu says 'Hiya!' or whatever in the Japanese dub as well.
Starmie has been one of my favorite Pokemon in competitive history just for how it has managed to be consistently strong but for different reasons. I remember wiping out teams with it in casual Gen 4 tournaments
What the Starmie doin????
I can beat almost every 3 Mon pkm team combo in pkm stadium 1 with just starmie alone
Starmie has been a favorite of mine since gen 1, don't really care if it fell off a bit. Still a staple of mine with every game it's in
I'm the same way with Clefable, but Starmie is such a "gen 1" pokemon it always fits in a playthrough
You both took the words outta my mouth. I'm not a Gen-1er, but I love the niche or overlooked mons of Gen 1 thru 3 easily. Merry xmas!
It is actually crazy how long Starmie was able to hold on during the generational power creeps.
Merry Christmas everyone, and to you, FSG!
Thanks for all the consistent (and consistently great) content over the years!
Merry Christmas!!
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Starmie is such a good Water-type Pokémon with a known moveset like Surf, Psychic, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt.
Can’t go wrong with the classic BoltBeam combo.
Stab on water AND psychic is a crazy good type bonus too
@@buttpiratesbuttpirate5913And it’s only resisted by 9 type combinations; which isn’t really bad considering it has coverage for those.
Starmie is very popular choice for pokemon stadium 1 and i used it a lot on that game
Imagine if it had pre gen 9 version of Protean to abuse that sweet sweet coverage...
If we get Legends Johto one day, I want a new Starmie that resembles an actual shuriken, being the first Water Steel type aside from Empoleon.
Would Like that even more as an Paradox Future Form for starmie, which is sadly mostly unlikely, but oh heck would I buy a DLC for Scarlet and Violet just for that. Starmie legit becoming the Deathstar in Pokemon. Just not in ballshape ^^
wouldnt fit the lore tho? starmie is an alien after all
@@upisntdownsilly starmie beeing an Alien makes even more sense as "Deathstar" Paradox Future Form imo. By that case make dragapult a Star destroyer Future form
@@upisntdownsilly
Well the Pokedex contradicts like crazy at times so who cares.
@@TheRealAquaz
That would be awesome not gonna lie.
It's crazy to think a Gen 1 Pokémon like Starmie was able to stay in OU for as long as it did. Still one of the best Water Types. I think they add an extra 30 points to its BST. It would be OU material at minimum again.
Even 10 or 15 points into special attack would do a long way for it. It's just a tad too weak rn
They could drop its Attack from 75 to 65 (people don't really relay on Rapid Spin or Attack stat in general for damage when it comes to Starmie), and then reallocate and also boost on top of it all the Speed and SpA stats. A 125 Speed stat and 115 SpA stat could help it stay relevant, thanks also to its extremely good coverage and decent typing. That would push its Base Stat to 535 - which is obviously very *good* but definitely not overpowered, in fact that's kind of the average for most of the threats Starmie used to face for most of its run. It would only be fair.
The video length being 55:55 aligns perfectly with the number of points on the front and back of starmie (5 on each)
The FSG team are geniuses
The number of 5s in this comment add up to 25. Which is Christmas, and what is on top of a Christmas Tree? A Star, or in this case, a Starmie. Stay woke FSG.
5-5-5
Standing by.....
Complete
Uhm ackshually due to how RUclips works, the video loses a second upon viewing so the video is 55:54 and not 55:55 ☝️🤓
Dale: "5-5-5-5"
Hank: "Dale, if you're gonna give me a fake social security, you gotta use more numbers."
Dale: "5."
How does that work? If there’s 5 on the front and 5 on the back, wouldn’t that make for 10 points rather than 20v
The star is a legend that will never really fall. It may have fallen to NU, but considering the literal legendaries that made it slide down, that just goes to show how this rather normal mon can go toe to toe with some of the GOATs and leave them with a hint of fear. I am 100% sure it’s only a good move or two or a good ability away from being backed up.
Y'know what would be an informative video I'd like to see? The mechanics of stats. Like, what does 100 special mean from a numbers prospective, and what does 100 special contribute to a special attack with a power of 80? How do HP, DEF, ATk, and attack damage come together to create HP loss? How do those calculations work?
The math class in SV explains it
In other words, you want a detailed explanation of the damage calculation formula. That's not a bad idea for a video, though be prepared to have to actually understand some math.
Agreed I thought I was alone on that
@@stardf29 If relevant, also cover damage rounding.
Or just defer to watching Scott’s Thoughts’s channel.
Easy 100 special att means 299 at Max and 328 at Max Positive lmao
Starmie never being banned is something I feel very impressed by. Nowadays it seems that any pokemon who does what Starmie did is 100% being banned
Im the same but by Snorlax, literaly every team needs to have one to be even able to compete in GSC OU Metagame and thats not over-centralization for some reason
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 for gsc snorlax it's mostly due to it being the primary thing keeping the pace of the game up. GSC is already a notoriously slow metagame already, and without snorlax in it, it'd be a significantly slower one.
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214snorlax actually was banned at one point, however was unbanned due to the tier now only having one specially bulky normal type to check the electrics, and since that was blissey, that lead to more stall teams and the tier got worse overall.
Then why didn’t they just ban snorlax and then ban the electrics and blissey? This is literally how modern gens work.
@@Flinchwave If I had to guess it's because without those, GSC would be worse or too restrictive. With them all? It's not bad.
Sadly, Starmie is not in gen 9. But it might return someday in DLC, who knows? Although it will feel the limitation of Scald that gen 9 brought.
I think it would be good as it destroys great tusk and iron treads and has spin too
@TheWeeaboo To be fair, while there's a lot to complain about about Scar/Vio (and I mean, a *lot*, game is definitely a mess in all sorts of ways), the fact that they aren't implementing all 1000-ish pokemon fully at the release of every game isn't inherently one of them. Like, I don't know that I'd disagree with your overall point, but the specific line of attack you went for doesn't feel reasonable.
scald is going to be given back to pokemon when pokemon home transfer is made available, same with stuff like knock off
@@Tezighi Scald has returned as a TM as of introduction of the Teal Mask DLC but its distribution has been nerfed (Toxapex no longer gets it).
Considering that rapid spin is good again the fact starmie didn't come back is a shame
I may have never been a competitive Pokemon player, but Starmie will forever hold a special place in my heart for clutching the Level 50-capped cup for me in Pokemon Stadium.
I feel like illuminate should have the same in battle effect as compound eyes. It makes the enemy easier to see and also isn’t useless.
Compoundeyes Starmie? So, Hydro Pump, Thunder, Blizzard? That would be SO much fun lol
Starmie was an OU staple longer than some of us have been alive
yep.
So 13 years? Or is it 12?
Smogon has existed since either 2003 or 2004. If a person younger than that is commenting here, it’s likely under parental supervision.
@@skeetermania3202 people born in 2004 are now 18
@@goldegreen 2016 would be the true cutoff year.
@@goldegreen😐
Love the FSG hour long documentaries on Pokémon can’t wait for the heatran video
Misty’s most memorable Pokémon. Starmie, which has ended so many NuzLocke attempts that it is legendary.
And a solid OU Mon for so many generations.
Merry Christmas Kellen! I've been watching these since the beginning, I've been using them as podcasts of sorts to listen too during hw and I'm really glad I have. I've really broadened my understandings of pokemon and have even started trying to slowly learn vgc. While all I can give you for christmas is a view and a like, I also give you thanks and cheers for the many years of consistent and great work you've done since that first charizard video
If a Pokémon themed Christmas tree exist, Starmie definitely fits the role being the decoration on the top of the tree.
I mean, try and stop it. I wouldn't.
Shiny Zygarde looks like a tree that's been snowed on. Put it on top of that.
Starmie will always be the star on top of my Christmas tree!
Happy Holidays, everyone! 🌟
Just as a note: most Pokémon that "don't" say their own name in the English dub of the anime actually do, they just kept their _Japanese_ names for their cry, including Staryu and Starmie.
Ive never heard staryu say Hitodeman
Doesn't really apply in Starmie's case, given that it has the exact same name and cry in both languages.
I wish Illuminate gave a 1.3x boost to accuracy like compound eyes. That way Starmie could run blizzard and thunder effectively. And hydro pump wouldn't miss.
hell even making illuminate reduce the opponents accuracy would be better than... nothing lol.
Depending on which fangame or romhack you play that type of change actually exists! only one I can remember off the top of my head though is Radical Red.
So basically a re-skinned Compound-Eyes? Would be cool since it actually has the movepool to use it well and it would make up for its now slightly above average at best Special Attack.
Starmie is a great Pokemon!! I'm so happy you guys remade this video from an eight minute video to an almost hour video!❤️❤️
I remember that when I discovered this mon can learn Thunder and Thunderbolt I was like *"Wait, that's illegal"*
They kinda went overboard with coverage moves back in gen1
If you find that weird, wait until you learn that Gyarados can also learn Thunderbolt and Thunder.
Oh the irony.
@@mcdonnell-douglasdc-1056 Yeah, I know, and also Flamethrower
@@mcdonnell-douglasdc-1056lapras can learn thunderbolt as well 💀
What about nidoking!? His TMs list was wild
I love how in each generation, the OU metagame seems to forget about Starmie, only for it to redefine the tier later with the same speech each time:
“I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening, turns the legs to jelly. I ask you to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now it's here. Or should I say, I am.”
The creator of Starmie making them purple: “The Later Generations will get why”
Ah yes, the iconic ace os misty. She chose a very good pokemon for an ace
Too bad her's is only good in the games.
Except in the anime.
I always find it funny that she used her *Staryu* more than her Starmie in the anime
@@carucath97 she actually left Starmie behind at the gym at some point
Starmie is one of my favorite Pokémon, in terms of non competitive lore it’s so underrated and so interesting. It’s battle prowess is just a juicy bonus.
I still remember using Starmie in Stadium having absolutely no idea how competitive worked or how good it actually was. Good to see that it's been consistently amazing all throughout the generations, it's one of my favorite Pokémon of all time
I've never been that big on competitive pokemon, but in gen 7, I joined a discord server and starmie helped me become the water gym leader there. Really good special atk and speed AND access to rapid spin shut down a surprising amount of challengers' game plan. It worked really well along walls like toxapex and ludicolo as well as monsters like golisopod and mega gyarados
Starmie is really underrated honestly and because of "competitive" settings, it's often forgotten that it has one of THE best coverages out of all Pokemon in the game, only beaten out by Mew and 1-2 others, since it can learn a strong, 100% accurate, special move of half of the types in the game (Surf/Scald, Psychic/Psyshock, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Power Gem, Grass Knot, Flash Cannon, Dazzling Gleam and Signal Beam), with a ton of utility as well for both singles and doubles (Rapid Spin, Recover, Icy Wind, dual Screens, Ally Switch, Gravity, even Psych Up for gimmicks)! It's seriously one of the most versatile Pokemon, even if unfortunately 99% of it's moveset is neglected...
Starmie is one of my favorite pokemon this was great and felt in depth exploring how it changed during the duration of the metagames it was in. Hearing starmie was in nu is nuts
Within a minute you know Kevin wrote this, who else would bring up The Thing in a Starmie video
Ahh Starmie. The literal reason why Fire Types couldn't make OU until gen 3.
It brings me joy knowing that Starmie, regardless of what tier its in, it always remained consistently good.
Starmie vid was the first one I ever watched from you guys. Crazy to think that was 5 1/2 years ago. Love that the content has been so solid all this time.
Great pick to cover for a competitive history recap. Starmie has had lots of influence across multiple generations and is a definite fan favorite.
Was not expecting to get a history lesson of Starmie today, didn't realize how good this thing was
My favorite pokemon getting a nearly hour long remake vid and on christmas day?? Couldn't have asked for a better present. Thanks as always FSG and happy holidays!
It's about time we got a remake for this Pokemon, and considering it remained competitively viable in Singles in just about every generation! Also, Crystal's Pokedex entry is a good explanation as to why it can learn Thunder Wave.
Anyway, still waiting on the Netflix series that will be the Tyranitar remake, guys.
Yeahh that's definitely gonna need more than 1 video to talk about
A perfect way to give an xmas gift would be with a Starmie video from you, especially of this classic kind. Equally fitting is it for it to be excellent to its very good end in NU
Starmie is a perfect example at maintaining a pokemon relevant DESPITE power creep. Good stats, great typing, great coverage, relevant moves
Great job with this remake video FSG!
Best way to celebrate Christmas, a FSG video. Cheers man, have a great Christmas.
Oh yes thank you... In the last couple of months I was secretly hoping for a Starmie remake and here it is... Thank you again and Merry Xmas to anyone reading this comment✌🏻
Glad to finally see a remake of this amazing Pokemon. Merry Christmas!
I’ve been wanting this!! Starmie has always been one of my favorites, & since it was literally one of the first videos you did, that’s how I originally found your profile & subscribed right then & there! But sooooo much has happened since that video, so I’m so happy it’s getting a redo!
An extra long false swipe gaming video is the best christmas present.
I'm happy to see Starmie get a sequel. Starmie is incredible
Merry Christmas Kellen! Thank you for all your work this year!
I remember the first time I watched Starmie in the anime that showed how it can do a thunderbolt by spinning like a dynamo and I was fascinated by this Pokémon ever since.
Thank you FSG for all the informative years about competitive Pokemon. Merry Christmas!
Starmie is one of my favourite mons of all time. I like every single thing about it. Design is flawless, it's incredibly fun to use
For six generations Starmie was the guardian of peace and balance in OU. Before the dark times...before Greninja. An elegant Pokemon, for a more civilized age.
looks like im not the only one here who doesnt like that overhyped frog.
Dang seeing the 3D models and sprites side by side really makes you appreciate how great the palettes used to be 😢
Starmie is my all time favorite, so happy to see it pop up in my feed thanks.
One of my favorites of all time, it's nice that Starmie is still useful!
Bolt beam has always been an amazing offensive combo. And gen 6 timid starmie could ohko anyone dumb enough to send out a mega garchomp against them. Which happened more than you'd expect in the 1000-1500 range on the showdown ladder.
Thanks for giving some attention to my all-time (by far) favorite Pokémon. It’s been about 25 years for me and no other will ever come close.
I still use it too this day, I got answers on my team for mons that give it trouble anyhow.
I have to say this vid undersells how threatening offensive starmie is to offensive teams in ADV. This thing is a menace
0:05 they turned staryu into a helix fossil💀
And to think, RBY pitted you against a meta monster at the SECOND GYM.
Fun fact: discounting Arceus, Starmie was tied with Floatzel for being the fastest water type for the first five generations, with both having a base speed stat of 115. Their crown would later get claimed by Greninja’s 122 base speed
Love how on Christmas, we get a remake with a literal Star(mie), while last Christmas we received God (Arceus).
Starmie checks Tauros in gen 8 NU
The more things change the more things stay the same
I remember using Starmie in HGSS and just having a really easy time in game.
I always evolve Staryu right after learning recover. Surf, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam with recover is all I needed. Starmie was really strong and natural cure is a great ability.
Starmie is one of my all time favourite Pokémon, I hope it continues to be an amazing Pokemon in the upcoming generations and I hope more people will look into it and find different yet amazing sets for it in OU once again.
In short, Starmie kicks ass and deserves to be known as the best Gen 1 Pokemon ever.
The ability to regenerate amputated limbs and lost body parts is the starfish's most striking adaptation to its dangerous marine environment
Starmie has been so defining OU bedrock since its introduction, so it was tragic to see it dropping to lower tiers in SM and even farther down in SwSh due to power creep. Starmie while no longer the OU king it once was was still incredible in its own niches in SwSh.
If Starmie is brought back to SV as DLC, it will immensely benefit from terastalization if it is not yet banned. The skys the limit with tera versatility. For example, leaving behind it's psychic typing in exchange for mono water would immensely boost its defensive profile along with making its hydro pumps even deadlier.
Starmie will always been good no matter the tiers. It's biggest weaknesses are its 4 moveslot syndrome and it's rather modest stats other than speed. Here's hoping in SV when it comes back, it gains access to nasty plot, calm mind, defog, and possibly illuminate being buffed to act like the new compound eyes.
Merry Christmas False Swipe Gaming. Thank you for another excellent year of competitive Pokémon analysis.
Grammar
Bro Starmie will probably lose Rapid Spin in gen 9 lol
Well in the natdex format it's in RU 😭😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏
Anyone else find it weird that a Pokémon based off an incredibly slow creature has a base speed higher than most legendary Pokémon?
Starmie is based on alien starfish so it makes sense it does not share everything with the real thing
Thank you for this high quality remake for Christmas, FSG!
starmie is always in my team in every generation, can learn electric, ice, water, psychic moves with high speed and special attack, nothing more you can ask for.
Merry Christmas and we have the star on the Christmas tree.
I love this pokemon.
It's so rare to see any Pokemon to be this good for so long
Zapdos has aged the best. OU in all but 1 Generation and viable in all of them.
OMG???? I've been watching since you guys did the FIRST Starmie video! It's my absolute favorite Pokemon, and it has always been a superstar in my eyes (pun 100% intended).
I know Starmie has fallen off in recent years, but I still love using it. And I still think it's REALLY good. 6 generations of OU usage is something I will always be proud of :,)
This was a really pleasant video to wake up to on Christmas Day, that's for sure. Thank you FSG.
W Starmie Gang let's Psyshock and Thunderbolt baby!
Starmie is the GOAT of GOATs. It’s peak Pokémon.
For the first Time Starmie has gotten a true counter in Ferrothorn after all these years in Gen 8 :(
Especially since Hidden Power isn’t a thing too
Starmie - one Pokemon that's readily available in most regions and understands the assignment - being a fast, somewhat bulky, special attacker; and either carries or enhances it's arsenal each time. just wondering why it doesn't get Mind Reader, Lock On, Shadow Ball, Moon Blast, Ancient Power, Moonlight, Shore Up or "Lunge"
Analytic is a bit dodgy for it, and probably for trick room attempts
illuminate could probably be buffed by either lowering the opponents accuracy by 1 stage after switching in or by increasing the users evasion by one stage upon switching in or increasing the users accuracy. It could also have the out of battle utility of not needing to use flash inside caves (at night) added.
Analytic works because it procs if the opponent switches and given Starmie's type coverage, it can actually use it effectively. Pretty useless for in-game playthroughs though given the AI usually don't switch. Just stick to Natural Cure for in-game as Illuminate is pretty useless. Starmie is also way too fast for Trick Room. A way to buff Illuminate would be to basically make it Compound-Eyes. A lot of weaker Pokemon could benefit from the accuracy buff on more powerful but less reliable moves and Starmie would probably be the best beneficiary (Thunder and Blizzard hit just over 90% accuracy which is more reliable and Hydro Pump even more).
fantastic video! Thank you!
A movie about Starmie is such a great gift to have for Christmas ❤️
Hope you're considering doing a new one for Gyarados too!
Rhydon and rhyperior is my top shot
They're probably considering remakes of everthing that didn''t include a Gen 7 analysis. There was a very obvious quality bump within that time period and almost all of the videos before then don't do a very good job of explaining the history of anything that wasn't always OU.
@@CenetaurmanE52 yeah so gyra might have a good chance
One of the best non ubers that existed since gen 1 along with dragonite, gengar, zapdos and chansey/blissey
Don’t forget Lax
It's crazy how far we've come on this channel . Two new generations. Years of videos. Cameos and remakes. Really enjoy false swipe gaming
unbelievable that GEN 1 MONS ARE STILL THE BEST OF THEM ALL IN COMPETITIVE!!!
ITS AMAZING!
Starmie was awesome!
Surf, Psychic, Thunderbolt, and maybe a normal move or Ice Beam.
It's a real star of competitive Pokemon
It's nice to see my main water pick from Red/blue version stood relevant for so long. I just loved how versatile and fast this fella was.
I love how ZERO comments are congratulating you for uploading on Christmas day. That's respect.
starmie starting to become unviable as of late doesnt rly make me sad bc i like to think abt it like starmies one of those all-time-great, world famous athletes who played a sport for like 2 or so decades and decided to hang up the towel in their 40s or 50s. its bittersweet but starmie proved itself to be one of the best to ever do it and unfortunately cant keep up with the climate of standard play anymore. being a gen 1 mon is technically being old anyway lol