woah woah woah, you leave mr russel alone, he's actually really good at draining power off folk and chuckin out slow and root , i found him very useful in my midnight sons list
This is exactly the type of video I was looking for after the ministrav changes, thanks! I was surprised you didn't think X-force suffered much, with their heavy reliance on healing factor characters and loss of X-ceptional. Do you think X-force rosters look a lot different now? I am undecided if X-23 and Wolverine/Logan need to go from mine yet!
One of the lads in our community has been doing really good work with them. I dont think the new Logan (Weapon X) is gonna see much playtime, but Maverick could be really good for them
I actually started playing some Weapon X lately and I feel like Maverick's Stash helps make up for the loss of X-Ceptional healing. Adding dice with leadership on top of forcing cover makes your stabby bois deceptively tanky.
I'm confused how can the loss of X-Ceptional be a huge hit for Hydra and not much of a hit for X-Force (given that X-Force has Deadpool, X-23, Honey Badger and Wolverine)
I'd argue heavily against sentinels having improved - without R&D their fishing game is pretty much offline round one, Smash was more important to them than Dormammu because their survival so often depended on Prime having power for rerolls. The gain from online and operational comes nowhere near covering the loss. Also, hellfire club doesn't dip beyond C - because you know the new meta picks? They're affiliated too.
There are 6 characters in total: Cable (5), Hulk (6), She-Hulk (6), Hulkbuster (6), Thor POA (5) and Iron Fist (3). The problem is there are much better uses for AA generally later in a game and when more characters have power. All but Iron Fist are 5+ threat characters and using a card and a big hitter to grab a single objective is quite a big opportunity cost, especially when most of them want to be doing something else early doors.
@@RichMidGaming it’s not, but as a generic card that anyone can use, it’s fine. Let Weapon X have their own version of Exceptional, so they can be the best healers in the game😂
nice video! i think that x-force did lost quite a bit, half the affiliation has healing factor, its a killy faction which used marked for death a lot and there is another big loss for them and weaponX that you didnt mention wich is no matter the cost
Just a quick correction- she hulk is only size 3, so smash wasn’t as amazing on her. Loving this tier list. And those saying “why is x rated at y”. It’s not about how good an affiliation is, it’s how they came out of ministravaganza. They are using tiers to mark if there was improvement to an affiliation or not.
@@glenncrosse7191I mean they did explain it fully and referenced it other times. So yeah it might have been slightly clearer, but anyone still confused probably wasn’t paying enough attention for it to actually matter.
Yep, I lost five cards from my Cabal roster, and this year (so far) have gained nothing in the way of good affiliated characters. Despite Killmonger 2, Shadow King, Namor and Loki 2 all being great fits for Cabal, nothing yet. Mephisto should be good though
I’m not the biggest fan of the Tier List format based on the Ministrav changes. Would’ve just preferred a tier list of each affiliation in the current meta.
We'll be following up with an updated Affiliation Tier List once I've moved house. This was really just to show which affiliations were affected and how
IMHO, I think it's better to compare to the original tier list. The final list is not visually meaningful. Moving affiliations from og tier list is easier to understand.
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woah woah woah, you leave mr russel alone, he's actually really good at draining power off folk and chuckin out slow and root , i found him very useful in my midnight sons list
i want to see an Avengers west Coast with Wonderman, US agent, Arachne, mocking bird, adding hawkeye and War machine
Deadpool is an Avenger with Healing Factor
This is exactly the type of video I was looking for after the ministrav changes, thanks!
I was surprised you didn't think X-force suffered much, with their heavy reliance on healing factor characters and loss of X-ceptional.
Do you think X-force rosters look a lot different now? I am undecided if X-23 and Wolverine/Logan need to go from mine yet!
One of the lads in our community has been doing really good work with them. I dont think the new Logan (Weapon X) is gonna see much playtime, but Maverick could be really good for them
@RichMidGaming That's a good pick, if we can't heal then no one can! Hoping archangel is affiliated too
Rich, when you said Cabal are a bottom of B, top of C tier affiliation before Ministrav, did you forget the RS3/Thanos list? 😂
1 good list ≠ Tier A
Still agree with it. They have (had) one good list that relied on outside help. There are 3 other leaders in Cabal, all of which are sub par
@@RichMidGaming I generally agree with you, but that's the single most broken list in the game (though I accept that Thanos is the problem here)
@@OllieLowe123 I’d disagree with it being the single most broken list.
I actually started playing some Weapon X lately and I feel like Maverick's Stash helps make up for the loss of X-Ceptional healing. Adding dice with leadership on top of forcing cover makes your stabby bois deceptively tanky.
I'm confused how can the loss of X-Ceptional be a huge hit for Hydra and not much of a hit for X-Force (given that X-Force has Deadpool, X-23, Honey Badger and Wolverine)
I'd argue heavily against sentinels having improved - without R&D their fishing game is pretty much offline round one, Smash was more important to them than Dormammu because their survival so often depended on Prime having power for rerolls. The gain from online and operational comes nowhere near covering the loss.
Also, hellfire club doesn't dip beyond C - because you know the new meta picks? They're affiliated too.
Came here to say this. In addition Cassandra Nova losing x-ceptional is a big hit. Sentinels got kicked in the teeth.
Avengers Assemble gives them safe steals with lots of different characters.
There are 6 characters in total: Cable (5), Hulk (6), She-Hulk (6), Hulkbuster (6), Thor POA (5) and Iron Fist (3).
The problem is there are much better uses for AA generally later in a game and when more characters have power.
All but Iron Fist are 5+ threat characters and using a card and a big hitter to grab a single objective is quite a big opportunity cost, especially when most of them want to be doing something else early doors.
I think exceptional isn't a problem for weapon x, since instant recovery and call the pack combo so well together.
Instant recovery is nowhere near a good enough replacement for X-Ceptional imo
@@RichMidGaming it’s not, but as a generic card that anyone can use, it’s fine.
Let Weapon X have their own version of Exceptional, so they can be the best healers in the game😂
@@TheSwedishTroll it’s not that generic, you still need heating factor. Plus it’s 3 power to remove two damage… not great.
@@RichMidGaming yeah, it’s still a bad card, I just meant more as a card that is unaffiliated and not locked to a character.
nice video! i think that x-force did lost quite a bit, half the affiliation has healing factor, its a killy faction which used marked for death a lot and there is another big loss for them and weaponX that you didnt mention wich is no matter the cost
Yep. My X-Force roster feels much worse off now.
Just a quick correction- she hulk is only size 3, so smash wasn’t as amazing on her.
Loving this tier list.
And those saying “why is x rated at y”. It’s not about how good an affiliation is, it’s how they came out of ministravaganza. They are using tiers to mark if there was improvement to an affiliation or not.
Exactly! Glad you enjoyed it!
@@RichMidGamingI think it would have been less confusing if you replaced A-D with ++, +, =, -, - -
@@glenncrosse7191I mean they did explain it fully and referenced it other times. So yeah it might have been slightly clearer, but anyone still confused probably wasn’t paying enough attention for it to actually matter.
Where can we find the list of cards lost ?
Yep, I lost five cards from my Cabal roster, and this year (so far) have gained nothing in the way of good affiliated characters. Despite Killmonger 2, Shadow King, Namor and Loki 2 all being great fits for Cabal, nothing yet. Mephisto should be good though
I’m not the biggest fan of the Tier List format based on the Ministrav changes. Would’ve just preferred a tier list of each affiliation in the current meta.
We'll be following up with an updated Affiliation Tier List once I've moved house. This was really just to show which affiliations were affected and how
IMHO, I think it's better to compare to the original tier list. The final list is not visually meaningful. Moving affiliations from og tier list is easier to understand.
I would agree, though still a good video
Kingpin CrimSin lost but I think Shadowland actually benefitted a little cause they like to shot people and now without eyes it can be easier tbh🙂
Can tell by 53 min you both started getting a little mental, because of the furry/scaly talk 😂
Inhumans the loss of smash is huge since their 3 threat used it so well.
Less widely used in Inhumans to be fair, but yeah, it was used a little.
Also Weapon X are definitely the biggest losers after the rules clarification on their ld post miniextravaganza😂🤬🤮