Oh man, it's seriously such an honor to have been invited to do this. A rare opportunity to geek out about all things AC out loud instead of on a keyboard. Thanks again, Leo. You Rock.
I had a lot of fun talking about the series, and Mirage, with you - as well as looking over the clips you sent me. You make this game look super cool to play and I'm glad I got to have a talk with you, I hope people check out your videos. ^_^
Ropotopolous, stealth and movmeent is strong in splinter cell blacklist, it’s basically assassins creed in modern day combined with the best John wick mechanics in the industry, and it’s also by Ubisoft lol
Another special guest I really like to watch,his parkour and stealth clips are always satisfying to watch, keep up those interviews giving other creators a opportunity to get more recognition
Can we expect Jcers on one of these videos in the future? I absolutely love his commentary on literally anything As for Ropo, he’s really a chill dude to listen to, glad I discovered him through you Leo
Yeah! As far as I know, Jcers has been quite busy these days, but I would love to get a chance to sit and talk with him, I think it'd be a very entertaining discussion for people to listen to.
13:33 felt the same way! thought about starting my yt channel with some parkour sequences and then i saw this guy just doing what he does and i was like "i need to learn more about the game asap" :D
Oohhh. Ropotopolous!!! I love the parkour videos but what really got me was one of his recent video of throwing the guard in a haystack using the traps. A great listen as always!
Love these chats, I think it is a great way to give lesser known content creators some good exposure (Ropotopolous is great, he's very articulate and knows exactly what he wants from this series which is commendable and I will be sure to check him out some more) and it's a nice way to see insight on a variety of topics from people with different interests. Hope you get some good mileage out of these and talk to as many people as possible
This is interview was a really interesting one. I'm not really used to to listen to these often, but i guess it will be my new habit. I really appreciate that someone takes the effort and showcase to the community that how much this game can really offer parkour wise. I bought the game about 2 months later upon release but i didn't had the time to play with it. I also heard that some people were not found of this game, but i don't really care about that. I am so happy that Ropotopolous made those parkour videos, i didn't found anything similar to them. Really great Quality imo. I was always into Assassin's creed, the lore, story, gameplay, the settings, everything. I'm thought about making videos, but i always chickened out, that it will be even worth it for the community or they will stay hidden from eyes I guess i should try my luck
Looks like that's a product of the buffering interacting with the Emergency Aim skill causing the quick throw knives to track during the focus window. This means it has some limitations when it comes to engaging guards facing away from you, but you can also get some pretty disgusting defusals if only a handful of enemies spot you. Liquid also says you need Light Blade, which is strange because I was under the impression throwing knives were instant. Maybe in addition to a higher power charged state, it also adds a faster uncharged state, similarly to how I sometimes strategically shoot uncharged bows in stealth action games to get the effects of a certain ammo type or shot placement without having to wait for the drawstring to pull all the way back
That makes a lot of sense. I'll go back to look at it myself but is every instance of Liquid using this tech one where guards are actually facing Basim? Some of them are even done several seconds post-detection where he's already been running for a little while, so I'm just wondering.
On assassins creed’s uniqueness I personally go gameplay>iconography>story If you give the feeling of being a brotherhood assassin when just roaming the world I’m really hooked and as ropotopolous said having a good story is a bonus. I like gushing about this characters outside of them just being a cool assassin.
Makes sense to me, I think a lot of players could relate to that. The mechanical fantasy of _being_ an Assassin with the kinds of actions being that archetype _gives_ us is something that really matters to me, so I think even just having access to those kinds of moves and techniques makes the feel of any story better already.
Just when I thought I mastered ac mirage parkour I see videos like this lol 48:36 glad some one else found this dope decent into the bureau I was hyped when I first pulled it off
@@LeoKRogue yea it is it’s sharqiyah bureau it’s back eject as soon as you grab the ledge hold b till you get down like to add a slide at the start to make it smoother it’s kinda like a unity decent
Yo Leo, I am absolutely loving these interview/podcast/chats youve been doing. Also, just got to Old King Allant for the first time the other day. End of the Semester is kicking my butt right now but I can't wait to wrap that first playthrough up, and I owe giving Demon's Souls another try in large part to your comments about the Souls series. As always, cannot wait for whatever you do next my man. Much love from NY ❤
Really glad you've played so much of it! It's such a special genre, huh? If you get a chance, try out Bloodborne or Dark Souls III after, they're both quite comfy if you're already used to how this game feels. Bloodborne can't run at 60fps unless you have a hacked PlayStation which is a little rough, but Dark Souls III should feel pretty smooth on a PS4 Pro / PS5.
@@LeoKRogue I'm looking forward to trying them! I own all of the soulsborne games barring Elden Ring, and am hoping to play them all in release order so as to better appreciate how the games designs and philosophies evolved. I did the same thing with Far Cry and Halo last year and loved it. That being said, I am not opposed to jumping around if I need a break from the Medieval fantasy aesthetic, and very much looking forward to Bloodborne.
@@LeoKRogue Actually yes, well it is obvious with my username. In a different thought I am happy they are making a actual SAO game with with a equal focus on the multiplayer
I'm looking forward to it as well. Proper role-based group play is really interesting to me, I hope it turns out to be good. I didn't get a chance to play the beta.
After rogue podcast we need a literal rogue academy with leo randomly choosing subscribers and having online classes with screens shared. [Rogue Creed]
While parkour movement is mirage weakest aspect, its definitely not bad, add that with Baghdad world design and players can have a great time, i just hope that Bordeaux will try to improve the parkour even more, in this game or the next one.
What makes me happy is that, at least we know they care, and they'll try their best with what they have, which is really cool. While it's still not ideal for various reasons, the fact that their game was the first time in the series AC movement was updated in a post-launch patch was quite unexpected and nice to see.
Mirage is great I know it’s a bit of a over reaction but there are times you genualy feel like a predecessor to Altair. would be cool if you can use all tools midair tho
1:04:13 i don't remember the name but there was this game in which you are a ninja or sum shi killing dudes hiding in the shadows with your supernatural abilities i think i saw it on your channel or idk why can't i remember the name
Why no one mention MGSV :( Was MGSV too early for the RUclips stealth/movement choreo boom Especially when just playing through the game you automatically pick up the speed stealth playstyle due to optional objectives reruns etc. For example, really liked how you can get a feel for all the distances that you can get detected at depending on your stance, so you can skirt around these distances, keeping speed while neutralizing enemies/or flatout "dirty" ghosting them. Only later did I find that people played AC like this too (specifically Unity). Personally in my playthrough of that game, I didn't feel encouraged by the game to play it like that. Tbh I feel like I played every AC wrong after watching any SSJ Lang video, and Kino, Execution Producer etc. with all those combat, stealth and parkour techniques that I didn't even know of their existence...
Metal Gear Solid V isn't really a movement game, sadly. It's one of my favorite games of all time, and I always, always, always recommend people play it in a _general_ sense, but these players are looking for games with parkour or roof-to-roof traversal which neither Phantom Pain nor Ground Zeroes _really_ have. It's nothing against the game, it's a great game, it's just not the right _type_ of game / not what they're looking for.
18:19 Could it be that Unity's flaws on launch plus the backlash from the community lead to a Fisher-Price approach in the gameplay design of Syndicate and that dreaded soft-reboot? Ever since Syndicate, all of the assassins display these cartoonish abilities - starting with the Bat Man parkour in Syndicate: Bayek is an HP sponge, Kassandra can fall from any height without taking damage, etc. I mean, I'm 'only' 70h into Odyssey after drunk-buying Valhalla on Steam and figuring mid-way through that I had to spend the majority of my spare time in '24 catching up to Mirage beginning with Unity plus the cursed comics. I'm on the verge of listening to the novels in order to make more sense of the way Ubi portrays those characters. It can't be that bad, right?
I have thought about these things myself many times, and it's hard to know, even now. Because, these games are often developed concurrently, so they probably wouldn't have the time to make those kinds of changes in response to feedback they would only get when they're already a year or even a few months out from release. Definitely not for deep, overall director's vision, but maybe for smaller things that can be changed on the surface. As far as whether Unity's flaws were responsible for Origins and the RPG Trilogy existing, I've talked to people who've told me that those games were planned to be RPGs years before, and they were always going to be that way. If Unity was a perfect game that everyone loved, it didn't seem like that would've made a difference. Origins for example was basically in development as soon as Black Flag was done, which makes sense when you think about it: Black Flag already had material-grinds in the game when it came to upgrading your ship.
Black Flag's activities never felt like a chore, and, speaking for me, Origins' defining feature was not the grind, even though it took a relatively long time to complete the main quest - Origins stands out as an archetypal RPG, whereas Black Flag blindsided us with being a perfect up-to-date Pirates! without anyone having asked for it. I guess that's my main problem with Origins to Valhalla - they're not that great at being RPGs. With the overlapping development of the games in mind, maybe it's a case of not being willing to innovate anymore, settling for the translation of a formula instead. "Assassins and Pirates mixed well, why can't we make assassins into warriors?" Which then in turn means that AC4 was so good at being AC-hybrid that it broke the franchise.
Yeah, I feel the same. It's not so much about whether they were defining features, but moreso that we can already see those glimpses of what the series would eventually become even that far back. As you noted, even narratively AC4 is about that hybrid of identities. It was received so well by audiences that Ubisoft definitely doubled down, and never went back ever since. No Assassin's Creed game has ever actually excelled at being what it is, and that stays true with the modern ones, they're not incredible RPGs. The difference back then is that even though the classics were still janky 7/10 games, they're my favorites and the favorites of so many fans because of their uniqueness and their commitment to Being Assassin's Creed -- they were carried by that. Nowadays that uniqueness is a bit more absent, so without it there to hide behind, we notice the "average" nature of them more easily.
It does still, what are you on about? You must have Light Blade upgrade equipped because you need the negative edge from the knife charge, so when you aim you’ll get an immediate throw
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Had a nice chat with Ropotopolous, and it made me want to play Mirage a bit more some time!
His Channel: www.youtube.com/@Ropotopolous
Oh man, it's seriously such an honor to have been invited to do this. A rare opportunity to geek out about all things AC out loud instead of on a keyboard.
Thanks again, Leo. You Rock.
I had a lot of fun talking about the series, and Mirage, with you - as well as looking over the clips you sent me. You make this game look super cool to play and I'm glad I got to have a talk with you, I hope people check out your videos. ^_^
Ropotopolous, stealth and movmeent is strong in splinter cell blacklist, it’s basically assassins creed in modern day combined with the best John wick mechanics in the industry, and it’s also by Ubisoft lol
I love yall so much
Can't talk about AC parkour without mentioning you, dude. It's illegal.
@@Ropotopolous Same thing goes for you homie
@@animusdrifter thanks so much man. I'm stoked for yours too.
@@Ropotopolous Can't wait
AnimusDrifter is CRAZY xD
Looking forward to sitting down with you.
First and ready for this amazing vid! Love rop and what he done for the AC Mirage community!
Hope you enjoy this talk!
Another special guest I really like to watch,his parkour and stealth clips are always satisfying to watch, keep up those interviews giving other creators a opportunity to get more recognition
Gonna keep the series going for sure!
Thanks Ghost 😎
Ropotopolous is the new rising star of AC community. Absolutely love his content. And yours too🩵
Thanks dude 😎
I LOVE THE ROPOTOPOLOUS SHOW!!!
Me too.
^_^
Well done guys, I'm gonna enjoy this one, Ropo a really cool guy!
I figured out how to make knives track to the head, I'll probably make another video
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Keep the interviews coming man, love seeing other AC creators being highlighted and getting the recognition they deserve.
I have my next few in mind already, just have to find a good time when we're not busy.
Can we expect Jcers on one of these videos in the future? I absolutely love his commentary on literally anything
As for Ropo, he’s really a chill dude to listen to, glad I discovered him through you Leo
Yeah! As far as I know, Jcers has been quite busy these days, but I would love to get a chance to sit and talk with him, I think it'd be a very entertaining discussion for people to listen to.
13:33 felt the same way! thought about starting my yt channel with some parkour sequences and then i saw this guy just doing what he does and i was like "i need to learn more about the game asap" :D
haha, you get it xD
Oohhh. Ropotopolous!!! I love the parkour videos but what really got me was one of his recent video of throwing the guard in a haystack using the traps.
A great listen as always!
Love these chats, I think it is a great way to give lesser known content creators some good exposure (Ropotopolous is great, he's very articulate and knows exactly what he wants from this series which is commendable and I will be sure to check him out some more) and it's a nice way to see insight on a variety of topics from people with different interests. Hope you get some good mileage out of these and talk to as many people as possible
Thanks Sif, I do have my next guest (or two) ready, so I hope everyone continues to enjoy these, they're fun to make.
This is interview was a really interesting one. I'm not really used to to listen to these often, but i guess it will be my new habit.
I really appreciate that someone takes the effort and showcase to the community that how much this game can really offer parkour wise.
I bought the game about 2 months later upon release but i didn't had the time to play with it.
I also heard that some people were not found of this game, but i don't really care about that.
I am so happy that Ropotopolous made those parkour videos, i didn't found anything similar to them. Really great Quality imo.
I was always into Assassin's creed, the lore, story, gameplay, the settings, everything.
I'm thought about making videos, but i always chickened out, that it will be even worth it for the community or they will stay hidden from eyes
I guess i should try my luck
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed my stuff.
really love listening these in the background
Really like making them.
I love this Rogue Chat of yours. It feels very relaxing and I just casually listen to em while parkouring on Ac games.
Looks like that's a product of the buffering interacting with the Emergency Aim skill causing the quick throw knives to track during the focus window. This means it has some limitations when it comes to engaging guards facing away from you, but you can also get some pretty disgusting defusals if only a handful of enemies spot you. Liquid also says you need Light Blade, which is strange because I was under the impression throwing knives were instant. Maybe in addition to a higher power charged state, it also adds a faster uncharged state, similarly to how I sometimes strategically shoot uncharged bows in stealth action games to get the effects of a certain ammo type or shot placement without having to wait for the drawstring to pull all the way back
That makes a lot of sense. I'll go back to look at it myself but is every instance of Liquid using this tech one where guards are actually facing Basim? Some of them are even done several seconds post-detection where he's already been running for a little while, so I'm just wondering.
If tracking exists, does that mean a knife quickshot could be modded in?
On assassins creed’s uniqueness
I personally go gameplay>iconography>story
If you give the feeling of being a brotherhood assassin when just roaming the world I’m really hooked and as ropotopolous said having a good story is a bonus. I like gushing about this characters outside of them just being a cool assassin.
Makes sense to me, I think a lot of players could relate to that. The mechanical fantasy of _being_ an Assassin with the kinds of actions being that archetype _gives_ us is something that really matters to me, so I think even just having access to those kinds of moves and techniques makes the feel of any story better already.
Leo k and Ropotopolous crossover less gooo 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
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Just when I thought I mastered ac mirage parkour I see videos like this lol 48:36 glad some one else found this dope decent into the bureau I was hyped when I first pulled it off
It looks so cool.
@@LeoKRogue yea it is it’s sharqiyah bureau it’s back eject as soon as you grab the ledge hold b till you get down like to add a slide at the start to make it smoother it’s kinda like a unity decent
Yo Leo, I am absolutely loving these interview/podcast/chats youve been doing.
Also, just got to Old King Allant for the first time the other day. End of the Semester is kicking my butt right now but I can't wait to wrap that first playthrough up, and I owe giving Demon's Souls another try in large part to your comments about the Souls series. As always, cannot wait for whatever you do next my man. Much love from NY ❤
Really glad you've played so much of it! It's such a special genre, huh? If you get a chance, try out Bloodborne or Dark Souls III after, they're both quite comfy if you're already used to how this game feels. Bloodborne can't run at 60fps unless you have a hacked PlayStation which is a little rough, but Dark Souls III should feel pretty smooth on a PS4 Pro / PS5.
@@LeoKRogue I'm looking forward to trying them! I own all of the soulsborne games barring Elden Ring, and am hoping to play them all in release order so as to better appreciate how the games designs and philosophies evolved. I did the same thing with Far Cry and Halo last year and loved it. That being said, I am not opposed to jumping around if I need a break from the Medieval fantasy aesthetic, and very much looking forward to Bloodborne.
The man, the myth, ooh it’s LeoK still bringing really resonant AC talks
Thanks for the presence and support, Kazuto.
You interested in Fractured Daydream?
@@LeoKRogue Actually yes, well it is obvious with my username.
In a different thought I am happy they are making a actual SAO game with with a equal focus on the multiplayer
I'm looking forward to it as well. Proper role-based group play is really interesting to me, I hope it turns out to be good. I didn't get a chance to play the beta.
@@LeoKRogue When comes out, planning on buying it for pc just for the multiplayer
I'll be on PC as well, not sure if I can get it immediately on release, but that'll be my platform too.
After rogue podcast we need a literal rogue academy with leo randomly choosing subscribers and having online classes with screens shared. [Rogue Creed]
That would be crazy, heh.
@@LeoKRogue Yeah and the next step after that would be buying the IP lmao
That did not go terribly well for Vivendi. 💀
While parkour movement is mirage weakest aspect, its definitely not bad, add that with Baghdad world design and players can have a great time, i just hope that Bordeaux will try to improve the parkour even more, in this game or the next one.
What makes me happy is that, at least we know they care, and they'll try their best with what they have, which is really cool. While it's still not ideal for various reasons, the fact that their game was the first time in the series AC movement was updated in a post-launch patch was quite unexpected and nice to see.
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THERES MUH BOY‼️‼️‼️
when will you be doing your next rogue chat? So says jays is someone i would really like to see in one!
I'm currently editing the AnimusDrifter one, so I have nothing lined up just yet, but Jay is another guest I would really, really enjoy talking to.
Dont mind me just leaving timestamps: 17:45
I wonder what would happen if ropotopolous and Leo k both make a parkour advanced guide together.
He'd remind me of a lot of things I forgot about, that's for sure. ^_^
Mirage is great I know it’s a bit of a over reaction but there are times you genualy feel like a predecessor to Altair. would be cool if you can use all tools midair tho
1:04:13 i don't remember the name but there was this game in which you are a ninja or sum shi killing dudes hiding in the shadows with your supernatural abilities
i think i saw it on your channel or idk why can't i remember the name
Probably Aragami II.
@@LeoKRogue yes that's the one
Why no one mention MGSV :(
Was MGSV too early for the RUclips stealth/movement choreo boom
Especially when just playing through the game you automatically pick up the speed stealth playstyle due to optional objectives reruns etc.
For example, really liked how you can get a feel for all the distances that you can get detected at depending on your stance, so you can skirt around these distances, keeping speed while neutralizing enemies/or flatout "dirty" ghosting them.
Only later did I find that people played AC like this too (specifically Unity). Personally in my playthrough of that game, I didn't feel encouraged by the game to play it like that.
Tbh I feel like I played every AC wrong after watching any SSJ Lang video, and Kino, Execution Producer etc. with all those combat, stealth and parkour techniques that I didn't even know of their existence...
Metal Gear Solid V isn't really a movement game, sadly. It's one of my favorite games of all time, and I always, always, always recommend people play it in a _general_ sense, but these players are looking for games with parkour or roof-to-roof traversal which neither Phantom Pain nor Ground Zeroes _really_ have. It's nothing against the game, it's a great game, it's just not the right _type_ of game / not what they're looking for.
18:19
Could it be that Unity's flaws on launch plus the backlash from the community lead to a Fisher-Price approach in the gameplay design of Syndicate and that dreaded soft-reboot? Ever since Syndicate, all of the assassins display these cartoonish abilities - starting with the Bat Man parkour in Syndicate: Bayek is an HP sponge, Kassandra can fall from any height without taking damage, etc.
I mean, I'm 'only' 70h into Odyssey after drunk-buying Valhalla on Steam and figuring mid-way through that I had to spend the majority of my spare time in '24 catching up to Mirage beginning with Unity plus the cursed comics. I'm on the verge of listening to the novels in order to make more sense of the way Ubi portrays those characters. It can't be that bad, right?
I have thought about these things myself many times, and it's hard to know, even now. Because, these games are often developed concurrently, so they probably wouldn't have the time to make those kinds of changes in response to feedback they would only get when they're already a year or even a few months out from release. Definitely not for deep, overall director's vision, but maybe for smaller things that can be changed on the surface.
As far as whether Unity's flaws were responsible for Origins and the RPG Trilogy existing, I've talked to people who've told me that those games were planned to be RPGs years before, and they were always going to be that way. If Unity was a perfect game that everyone loved, it didn't seem like that would've made a difference.
Origins for example was basically in development as soon as Black Flag was done, which makes sense when you think about it: Black Flag already had material-grinds in the game when it came to upgrading your ship.
Black Flag's activities never felt like a chore, and, speaking for me, Origins' defining feature was not the grind, even though it took a relatively long time to complete the main quest - Origins stands out as an archetypal RPG, whereas Black Flag blindsided us with being a perfect up-to-date Pirates! without anyone having asked for it. I guess that's my main problem with Origins to Valhalla - they're not that great at being RPGs.
With the overlapping development of the games in mind, maybe it's a case of not being willing to innovate anymore, settling for the translation of a formula instead. "Assassins and Pirates mixed well, why can't we make assassins into warriors?" Which then in turn means that AC4 was so good at being AC-hybrid that it broke the franchise.
Yeah, I feel the same. It's not so much about whether they were defining features, but moreso that we can already see those glimpses of what the series would eventually become even that far back. As you noted, even narratively AC4 is about that hybrid of identities.
It was received so well by audiences that Ubisoft definitely doubled down, and never went back ever since. No Assassin's Creed game has ever actually excelled at being what it is, and that stays true with the modern ones, they're not incredible RPGs. The difference back then is that even though the classics were still janky 7/10 games, they're my favorites and the favorites of so many fans because of their uniqueness and their commitment to Being Assassin's Creed -- they were carried by that.
Nowadays that uniqueness is a bit more absent, so without it there to hide behind, we notice the "average" nature of them more easily.
The knife tech does not work anymore
Interesting. Liquid Drone just commented on this video today, a few hours ago, mentioning he's figured out more about it, I wonder what's happening.
It does still, what are you on about? You must have Light Blade upgrade equipped because you need the negative edge from the knife charge, so when you aim you’ll get an immediate throw
@@liquiddrone650 In update 1.08 it says something in the patch notes about fixing it.
@@user-wu2mn5cf2p it still works
Two of my favorite AC creators together, this is perfect
This one's for you, Brucey.
@@Ropotopolous heck yeah