A couple more fights: Batman 2016 #38: After Deadshot and Deathstroke go to war in Gotham; blowing up bombs, shooting at each other, hand-to-hand, for five days straight; Batman knocks them both out. It’s stated in the issue that Batman was “a year out from kicking a tree”, which is a reference to the events of Year One meaning Batman had only been around for a little over a year at that point. So even if Slade wasn’t fatigued from fighting arguably the best marksman in the world for nearly a week, it was so long ago in the characters’ careers that it isn’t really relevant when brining up either character as they exist now. Slade and Batman improve massively throughout the years: ie Slade having his arm broken in their first fight VS being able to stalemate Batman while Slade was at 25% of his power in the N52. In reality, Batman being able to knock out two super assassins after they’d been fighting each other for 5 days isn’t really an impressive feat against Deathstroke. In Batman Universe #1 from 2019: Batman fights Slade while trying to apprehend the Riddler as well. They each tag each other, and the encounter ends with Slade punching Batman before Green Arrow knocks out Deathstroke with a knockout-gas arrow. Not really a conclusive or definitive fight, and it was published an entire year before Slade high-diff lost to Batman on purpose in Batman #87; and two years before Slade fought Ghostmaker while nerfed, and trained, and got a Lazarus Pit amp. ☮️❤
@CRISIS Pre-flashpoint batman simply outscails pre-flashpoint deathstroke, and he outscails him massively. Pre-flashpoint deathstroke has been stalemated, dominated and beaten by countless people: bronze tiger, Jean Paul, Deadshot, David Cain, Cassandra Cain, green arrow with katana, nightwing, Roy Harper, even his daoughter Rose kicked his ass in darkest night. Bane actualy corrected his back too, but sadly I can't remember which comics that one was. I also believe, you interpreted Bruce's and Slade's second fight from pre-flash point in detective comics a bit wrong. Slade's advantage over Bruce is, that batman allways holds back. Sure, yes, he did put batman on the ground two times in that chapter, but you are heavily underplaying, that in that third round, Slade dirrcetly prepared himself to put batman down for good., his only mistake was, that he said those words outloud. And explicitly because Slade said those words outloud, it gave batman incentive to stop holding back and easily defeat this deathstroke, which he did.
Well it isn't their fault lol. Deathstroke was rushed and was among the last additions into the game. If they had time, they would have made an insane boss fight to be remembered.
@@Zhello79If they were going to do that bullshit to him, then it would’ve been better to just leave him out. A one-punch KO from Batman, what in the actual fuck.
@@Sonic-hq9zz Right, back then I simply heard that they rushed and didn't have time to put a role for him in the game, so someone had a bright idea to just give Slade a certified Tank License lol 😆. All and all IF they had time, we would have one of the sickest fights in the last game of the Arkhamverse, hell, with Slade knowing whi Bats is and all.
I mean regardless he still wasn't trying to kill Slade...it only makes it more logical Bruce would use all his methods because he knows he isn't likely to kill Slade
The fact that most if not all encounters that Deathstroke has with the Bat he walks in nerfed or gets nerfed throughout the fight or doesn’t care about the fight at all let’s me know the writers realize Batman would lose and need a reason for Slade to be defeated bc the good guys generally win.
I feel it’s safe to say Batman is a more skilled fighter being able to stick with super soldiers and powered villains while Slade is a better fighter because of speed strength stat etc.
@@truzzprod.8191 Most def by our regular metrics. But in comics, not so much. Humans in comics are much more capable than what real life humans are capable of. By comic standards, he's still a human. He hasn't taken any steroids or strength-increasing drugs like Slade has. Slade has a serum in his system, whereas people like Dick and Bruce don't. Yet they can contend with him.
Batman is not that skilled in fighting, in his own list he is merely above average, while there are quite a few martial arts heros and villains above him in skill, including Nightwing himself
@@Philippos0-e3v You literally don't know what you're talking about. Nightwing is WAAAAAAAAAAY more skilled than Batman in martial arts. 1- he is has natural muscular disposition towards it. 2- Trained body from childhood 3- the correct mindset. What Batman has over him is: 1- in years of experience and not by a lot. Nightwing has already surpassed him in skill. 2- Uses more gadgets, and can carry more equipment in his suit 3- Smarter and Better detective skills 4- more adept at using and creating technology. 5- complete military training, against the Robins(Nightwing included) focused training. 6- Multiple phD's in different areas. Batman is indeed a superior hero, but only when it comes to the complete package of skills he brings to the table. Nightwing is canonically a better Martial Artist. He even uses lighter gear and carries less gadgets precisely because he can make do with mostly just his suit and his martial arts. His reflexes are so fast that he can literally predict when someone is about to press the trigger and disarm them right as the enemy tries to shoot. Here's another piece of Evidence, during his time as Batman, Grayson actually engaged criminals directly, unlike Batman who always strike from the shadow and use every advantage to take the biggest number of enemies before engaging directly. The reason for this is because Grayson can use maneuvers that Bruce Wayne simply can't replicate, all from his skillset as a trained circus performer, he is much more agile than Batman is.
@@ArcTrooper269 Yes and No, Slade wanted to join the military like Steve but decided to use his new abilities for his own gain as opposed to his country where as John got kidnapped as a kid. Now fighting style wise yeah he’s more like Chief
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Not really, chief fight style is more using riffles & heavy punches, while Fred-104 is more acrobatic & relies on short guns & Knives, Slade fight style is closer to Fred.-104
They always have to nerf deathstroke or just flat out make him uninterested when he fights Batman so he doesn’t beat him. I think he should technically beat him on equal footing. It seems like they just don’t want to show it.
and then there is nightwing who beats deathstroke when he himself is on a disadventage but people still claim batsy is way better in combate then nightwing . . .
I think Arkham Origins' trailer is my favorite depiction of the two. You can see Slade's a bit stronger, faster and more agile, but Batman's gadgets and raw skill help him hold his own. It hits that perfect sweet spot for me that doesn't disrespect either party.
See I agree with the 60/40 in Deathstroke's favor. Good analysis and honestly yeah, the consistency thing was a great point to bring up to. Hope you have a restful holidays Crisis.
Yeah and Batman has plot armor most of the time deathstroke is legit superhuman if not has super strength and insane speed and is just as skilled but the fact Batman can tangle with this nigga is insane😂
I guess Deathstroke destroys Batman makes sense, with all the buffs Nightwing received, Starting his training way younger than Bruce but also having Bruce’s and numerous top tier martial artists like even being good enough as a kid in one issue of old to be a candidate for Sensei-O training even and so on, Deathstroke is a villain meant to rival entire teams not heroes in Batsuits necessarily. Arkham origins was so legendary, it had everybody thinking Batman bodies Slade 5-1 instead of 1-5 lmao, I’ll admit this was informative since I didn’t know everything of their history. I’m a bigger Grayson vs Slade fan personally.
Grayson is clearly above them at this point. Won't the fight be nightwing's win anyway? If anything he needs stronger opponents far above those 2. Hell I've personally thrown batman below nightwing in all respects they are *not* equals. Karate kid Richard dragon Cassandra Shiva Nightwing Deathstroke Bronze tiger Black Canary Connor hawk Batman Hell I question batman's skill putting him in the top 10 he's in probably 20 hell I'll put Constantine Drakon at 10
@@user-lp8im7ow8s Bruce has admitted he can't beat Shiva and in rebirth batwoman asked if he thinks he can Cassandra and through his own admission he said he's not beating her hand to hand. In I am suicide batman said to bronze tiger he's better after bronze tiger asked if batman got slower. Batman's remark was "No you're faster" Then we have guys like ghostmaker said to be batman's equals. DC just needs to release a definitive list.
@@user-lp8im7ow8s you're talking about his training in knightfall volume 3 when he regained his skill by sparring with Shiva for roughly 2 weeks and he learned the leopard blow after seeing it once? That wasn't an actual fight. DC rebirth detective comics Shiva put him down and told him he's not match she's been playing a part. Insinuating that she's been holding back. I love batman (literally my favorite superhero of all time) but nightwing seems to scale above all that every combat feat batman has struggled against raptor while nightwing casually took him down. Then we had his fight against Shiva where he fought with a broken rib or ribs and slade... Need I say more? The latter 2 push batman to his limits while we have an injured Nightwing contending. It was nightwing who beat Slade *twice* in the recent crisis. While Bruce struggles to beat slade (any win was usually slade playing a role as stated in the video)
I do think that using Batman’s tech as a slight against his prowess is unfair. Deathstroke uses knifes, swords, guns, etc. strength gap or not. The tech should count as part of Batman’s arsenal in a fight. The fight is automatically unfair with Slades superhuman capabilities so him using gauntlets and tech is fair game. Excluding vehicles and armors ofc
Crisis, your videos- and your entire RUclips channel in general- are phenomenal. This power scaling breakdown of Slade and Bats was sick asf. Great stuff
Batman is superior in skill and intellect while deathstroke is superhuman healing factor etc edges out the skill gap. Also it's a fact that bruce is superior in intellect as it was stated in the comics by an AI.
@@TheDemigregHow can Batman be superior in intellect when Slade has superhuman intelligence? Slade is also a much better tactician than Batman. Skill wise, I might give a slight edge to Batman, but that edge is very slight. Also, that edge/gap is immediately nullified by Slade’s superior physical stats.
The truth is, no non-superpowered character should be able to beat him hand to hand. It's not just his enhanced strength, speed, endurance, his reflexes are basically instantaneous. Getting past his defenses is like looking at a mirror and trying to punch your own reflection in the face. Your reflection's hand will always be in the way. That's the reason Nightwing has done the best against him. Nightwing's quickness is unparalleled, and he's a super unorthodox fighter. Deathstroke can't predict Nightwing's strikes. Even with perfect reflexes, Nightwing's fist or foot is moving so fast that Deathstroke sometimes can't move his own body quick enough to block it.
I'm just happy you'r not underestimating Batman, cause the argument the argument that Batman is just human is stupid and lazy, when he's explicitly shown superhuman prowess, anyway, i'd love if you'd do a Martian Manhunter vs or scaling video.
Gotta applaud this, every major power scaler seems to think Batman low-diffs Slade at best but they have more consistent relativity then they do inconsistently.
These two are great/iconic rivals I like there rivalry just as much as I like the rivalry between Batman and Joker. I just subscribed to your channel by the way.
Something people forget is that one of the Captain America's who was technically a super soldier became that way due to a decades long regimen of training and exercise.
I really enjoy how thorough and non biased you are in your videos. Have you ever considered making a top 10 martial artists outside of the bat family? Lady Shiva, Connor Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon and others I’m probably forgetting are just as if not more skilled than most of the bat family.
0:42 Not exactly a good argument when we have Squirrel Girl beating Thanos. Just because it's fiction doesn't mean it's exempt from criticism. One moment Batman is "beating" gods and the next moment he's getting a can of whoop ass from a baby. Batman's power scaling is more bipolar then Texas weather.
I know I'm super late but whats your thoughts on Bane vs Deathstroke? I'm in favor of Bane but I'd like to hear the thoughts of someone more well versed in a topic like that
@yurisssecondaccount6674 batman is keeping up with deathstroke who has super steroids while batman is keeping up due to his skills so no your wrong that's not to say deathstroke is not skilled his wanna of the most skilled combatants in DC but batman and in fact nightwing who has proven to be as our possibly greater then batman
@@D16_56 You do realise steroids amp skills too? Pro fighters who are on steroids have a massive skill advantage as they can train for much longer and more frequently. Which is why a guy who has super steroids would be more skilled
Idk if this comment will be seen. But just discovered your RUclips channel and I love your videos. The detail and ability to analyze context is amazing. I couldn't help but follow after watching a few videos. Maybe we can collaborate, I'm still moderately new to RUclips myself but I'd love to work with you.
Thanks for making this video. There are some delusional people that really think Batman can just “mop the floor” with deathstroke and captain America, it’s pathetic
Read that latest fight he posted in his pinned. Batman literally goes untouched from slade and batters him and only gets hit while specifically distracted he was also hired to protect who Batman was distracted by so he was going all out and still lost. He got shot by green arrow in the end. Furthermore the same slade went relative to ghost maker and batman flat KO’d a venom amped ghost maker called ghost breaker recently and going even further from that we’ve seen cass go relative and stalemate slade and Bruce one shot her with a bat claw mid fight. Batman fighting unrestrained (which slade points out is the reason they stalemated) can and has mopped the floor with slade and his peers like Cass, Jason and David Cain.
i really appreciate you for talking about "consistency" in DC comics. Batman (a human) hurting godlike beings with his punches or kicks is simply a laughable joke. writers love to give batman the advantage over anyone "because hes batman" or "he has prep time" is just a poor excuse for plot armour. especially how defensive batman fanbase can be when it comes to batman vs superman.
This is closer than people would think. It’s not as simple as “Batman always holds back.” To me Deathstroke has more W’s and better scaling than Batman but I haven’t read every comic so I wouldn’t know.
Hey man keep up the great work this video is one of the best can you do bane versus kingpin or you can do how capable bane is because I feel people think bane is a dumb monster
There was a fight where Batman was beating deathstroke pretty easily but got distracted by riddler. There was also a fight where Batman beat deadshot and deathstroke at the same time
Does Batman going all out Mean he’s Using Lethal techniques? I feel as if that is a good question. If he’s fighting Dick and going “all out” but refraining from using his most effective techniques & barely loses, I Think it’s safe to say he wouldn’t have lost otherwise. Same for Slade, Is Bruce Actively trying to take slades Life? Or is he Simply not pulling his punches. Not to disagree with the outcome of the video, but questions like these do change the Nightwing scaling.
When i heard that Deathstroke was the willain in son of Batman i become really excited. I always wanted a good fight between the 2 in any "mooving" media. You can imagine my dissapontment when Batman literally manhandels him. I'm still waiting for that fight but luckily arkham origins and its trailer is here to fill the void until it happens.
Even before when I didn’t know comics well at all and hardly knew who batman and deathstroke was, I always thought deathstroke was stronger then batman. This video isn’t surprising to me but what’s more surprising is shredded from TMNT fought batman once what a collaboration
This is crazy with the context of Seth's video of a I'm not 100% sure what variant he uses a more comp Batman of his feats with a more canon Goku with their feats. With no powers Batman is millions of times more strategical (in methods to beat opponents,), better intuition, even with his memory whipped from Fortnite he found a way to come out every time within 22 minutes even after getting his memory whipped. Batman has better pressure point attacks, even beating people who have pre cognition or scale to others who fight with precognition even Batman has precognition himself to an extent like in the Arkham games with his intuitive body reading. In conclusion the fact slade scales to this insanity.
How does Slade’s adaptive healing work? Does he get more durability to certain damage sources over time? Or does he get more efficient healing for certain damage types?
Can you do a comic Spider-Man strength scaling because I study Spider-Man(without amps)because I try to explain he has feats(overpowering firelord,and him lifting the daily bugle and penn station which weighed thousands of tons and staggering/overpowering the hulk and the thing and griffin)that put him above she hulk and the thing when they don’t have amps and that his feats aren’t pis/outliers.And also he has multiple feats that put him on par with regular Wonder Woman too
@@achimpanzee9210 I’m just saying her because he is has a lot of high tier feats that equal to her but people always but these high tier feats as outliers even though their is multiple of them and pretty consistent with his mid tier feats (which are when he is holding back)
If you look at Spider-Man high tier feats their is so many and they are all pretty consistent it’s him just not holding back unlike his mid tier feats which is when he is
@@spideraty1529 but as you said they’re high tier feats. I mean Wonder Woman has been hurt by bullets a couple times but that doesn’t mean she’s consistently bullet level in durability. She’s one of the strongest members of the Justice League so comparing Spider-Man to her is like comparing Spider-Man to Green Lantern, Shazam and others.
Great vid but I feel batman beats deathstroke more. Batman is more skilled. Also over 125 styles he master. He's beaten Shiva before, knows every pressure point and recently, took down slade and dead shot at the same time..I'm going with Bats. Slade is my favorite villain though
If this was a Batman who doesn’t hold back then Batman would probably win. The thing about Batman is he continuously holds back and that’s what stops him from reaching his true potential. I’m a big Batman fan so I know.
One question is how many martial arts does Deathstroke know? We already know that Batman knows approximately 127 different martial arts, but how many does Deathstroke know? Maybe Slade knows a number of martial arts equal to or greater than Batman's or much less. You can't give me a solid answer
Do you scale based just off fights? Or feats outside of it? Like Batman out stealthing Clark, going toe to toe with Wonder Woman in h2h who is comparable to ares and he has millions/billions of years of h2h experience Just curious
Oh you went over it lol But if it happens consistently like Batman reacting to speedsters multiple times, taking out red lanterns, dodging omega beams etc And others in the batfam on that level IE: Wally west saying he’s surprised at dicks speed multiple times and Dick even reacting to him I just think those would put Batman on top
@@zeuxconors2185 also btw, deathstroke caught two speedsters effortlessly one being Wally west and then he made a deal for his powers. He also mentioned in the video when he fought multiple heroes one of them being Wally.
I love the character of batman so much more than Deathstroke, but Deathstroke wins in a short term fistfight. But then again, in the long-term, Batman would win. What Deathstroke has over batman in fighting skill and strength, Batman makes up in intelligence (and vise versa) They outmatch eachother in different ways, but they are equals.
Only thing I have a problem with is the way you talk about bat Tech. It’s a part of Batman in the same way you wouldn’t say Ironman should fight captain America without the Ironman suit.
If Batman wanted to kill he would be a menace. 190 IQ, stronger than any person that has ever been recorded irl, fast enough to do the impossible and casually dodge gunfire, and not to mention he is a multibillionaire with gadgets from the 22nd century.
The most fascinating thing about Batman is that when he knows he won’t stand a chance against someone he always have a plan to always turn the odds in his favor that’s why I like him.(knight wings better)
A couple more fights:
Batman 2016 #38: After Deadshot and Deathstroke go to war in Gotham; blowing up bombs, shooting at each other, hand-to-hand, for five days straight; Batman knocks them both out. It’s stated in the issue that Batman was “a year out from kicking a tree”, which is a reference to the events of Year One meaning Batman had only been around for a little over a year at that point. So even if Slade wasn’t fatigued from fighting arguably the best marksman in the world for nearly a week, it was so long ago in the characters’ careers that it isn’t really relevant when brining up either character as they exist now. Slade and Batman improve massively throughout the years: ie Slade having his arm broken in their first fight VS being able to stalemate Batman while Slade was at 25% of his power in the N52. In reality, Batman being able to knock out two super assassins after they’d been fighting each other for 5 days isn’t really an impressive feat against Deathstroke.
In Batman Universe #1 from 2019: Batman fights Slade while trying to apprehend the Riddler as well. They each tag each other, and the encounter ends with Slade punching Batman before Green Arrow knocks out Deathstroke with a knockout-gas arrow. Not really a conclusive or definitive fight, and it was published an entire year before Slade high-diff lost to Batman on purpose in Batman #87; and two years before Slade fought Ghostmaker while nerfed, and trained, and got a Lazarus Pit amp.
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Hey crisis can you make a video on how strong snake eyes is?
@@sladehardy1685 Not a fan of GI Joe 🤷♂️
@@CRISIS_COMICS have you made a video about batman beyond?
Hey crisis could you make a video on how strong is batman
@CRISIS Pre-flashpoint batman simply outscails pre-flashpoint deathstroke, and he outscails him massively.
Pre-flashpoint deathstroke has been stalemated, dominated and beaten by countless people: bronze tiger, Jean Paul, Deadshot, David Cain, Cassandra Cain, green arrow with katana, nightwing, Roy Harper, even his daoughter Rose kicked his ass in darkest night. Bane actualy corrected his back too, but sadly I can't remember which comics that one was.
I also believe, you interpreted Bruce's and Slade's second fight from pre-flash point in detective comics a bit wrong. Slade's advantage over Bruce is, that batman allways holds back. Sure, yes, he did put batman on the ground two times in that chapter, but you are heavily underplaying, that in that third round, Slade dirrcetly prepared himself to put batman down for good., his only mistake was, that he said those words outloud. And explicitly because Slade said those words outloud, it gave batman incentive to stop holding back and easily defeat this deathstroke, which he did.
Deathstroke general weakness for batman is no one really hires him to kill batman so he never tries to kill him lol.
Sounds like an investment why kill him for nothing now
When someone could pay him to kill the bat
When you're good at something never do it for free
thats not a weakness, thats pragmatic on deathstrokes side, what is a weakness is what he harbours for nightwing
He leaves him alive because he knows sooner or later a bounty will come up on Bat's head
@@SingingSealRianawhat does Deathstroke Harbour for Nightwing?♥️
This made me realize how much of a punk rocksteady made of Arkham death stroke 😂
Well it isn't their fault lol. Deathstroke was rushed and was among the last additions into the game. If they had time, they would have made an insane boss fight to be remembered.
Yeah, i was about to let their Origins fight slide, but Knight one made me livid.
@@Zhello79If they were going to do that bullshit to him, then it would’ve been better to just leave him out. A one-punch KO from Batman, what in the actual fuck.
@@Sonic-hq9zz Right, back then I simply heard that they rushed and didn't have time to put a role for him in the game, so someone had a bright idea to just give Slade a certified Tank License lol 😆.
All and all IF they had time, we would have one of the sickest fights in the last game of the Arkhamverse, hell, with Slade knowing whi Bats is and all.
@@Zhello79 Even then, I’m not too sure. Arkham Knight isn’t a exactly known for its boss fights.
Comprehensive and well done. I have preached this for sometime but this is the most in depth analysis I've seen for this debate
I love how this was basically “slade is so cool but have y’all seen nightwing”
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Lol. They're both my favorite too.
to be fair, slade shares that sentiment ^^
This care for consistency and context makes you a top-tier Vs Debater youtuber in my mind. Great video.
This is a top tier video. Also, I prefer Deathstroke on his own. Bro's a menace in his solo series...more so than usual
My mans watched at 20x speed
It’s always a bit unfair to put a killer against a non killer and expect the non killer to not hold back.
Alright, what about that time deathstroke ignored him or when deathstroke lost on person both times batman being pushed to his limits?
Or you know batman having a home field advantage using energy and lightning weapons against him
I mean regardless he still wasn't trying to kill Slade...it only makes it more logical Bruce would use all his methods because he knows he isn't likely to kill Slade
@@trevorhoffler-xu5bq that would be viable if batman didn’t say himself in one instance that he wasn’t holding back.
@@Pherretfish exactly, because he knows Slade won't be killed no matter what he does
The fact that most if not all encounters that Deathstroke has with the Bat he walks in nerfed or gets nerfed throughout the fight or doesn’t care about the fight at all let’s me know the writers realize Batman would lose and need a reason for Slade to be defeated bc the good guys generally win.
Lol if the writer didn't nerf deathstroke when he fights batman deathstroke would tear batman a half with he's bare armour it won't be funny
Yes. Notice, when Deathstroke fights Green Arrow or Nightwing in the comics, he is at his full skill set.
and if batman fights to kill he would easily killed deathstroke
True. Which is why he never does that, and even then, it was with Darkesid in the comics, and he did it firing a gun as well.@@iSTEFIXi
What's stopping batman from using his intellect to build a weapon to kill slade, even a nuke would do it. If batman wanted slade dead it would be so.
Bro we need a Cassandra video asappp!! Your break downs are top tier 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
God damn fax
I feel it’s safe to say Batman is a more skilled fighter being able to stick with super soldiers and powered villains while Slade is a better fighter because of speed strength stat etc.
This is fiction bro by all metrics Batman is also superhuman
@@truzzprod.8191 Most def by our regular metrics. But in comics, not so much. Humans in comics are much more capable than what real life humans are capable of. By comic standards, he's still a human. He hasn't taken any steroids or strength-increasing drugs like Slade has. Slade has a serum in his system, whereas people like Dick and Bruce don't. Yet they can contend with him.
Batman is not that skilled in fighting, in his own list he is merely above average, while there are quite a few martial arts heros and villains above him in skill, including Nightwing himself
@@bloody4558 bro Batman is way more skilled than nightwing what are u talking about only characters I see more skilled are Wonder Woman and karate kid
@@Philippos0-e3v You literally don't know what you're talking about. Nightwing is WAAAAAAAAAAY more skilled than Batman in martial arts.
1- he is has natural muscular disposition towards it.
2- Trained body from childhood
3- the correct mindset.
What Batman has over him is:
1- in years of experience and not by a lot. Nightwing has already surpassed him in skill.
2- Uses more gadgets, and can carry more equipment in his suit
3- Smarter and Better detective skills
4- more adept at using and creating technology.
5- complete military training, against the Robins(Nightwing included) focused training.
6- Multiple phD's in different areas.
Batman is indeed a superior hero, but only when it comes to the complete package of skills he brings to the table.
Nightwing is canonically a better Martial Artist.
He even uses lighter gear and carries less gadgets precisely because he can make do with mostly just his suit and his martial arts. His reflexes are so fast that he can literally predict when someone is about to press the trigger and disarm them right as the enemy tries to shoot.
Here's another piece of Evidence, during his time as Batman, Grayson actually engaged criminals directly, unlike Batman who always strike from the shadow and use every advantage to take the biggest number of enemies before engaging directly.
The reason for this is because Grayson can use maneuvers that Bruce Wayne simply can't replicate, all from his skillset as a trained circus performer, he is much more agile than Batman is.
World’s Greatest Detective vs World’s Anti-Captain America
Or an edgier Deadpool lol
@@KillerMoth3663deadpool was based on deathstroke
BOTH ARE INCORRECT
*1. WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVEBIS VIC SAGE/THE QUESTION*
*2. DEATHSTROKE IS MORE LIKE MASTER CHIEF OR FRED-104*
@@ArcTrooper269 Yes and No, Slade wanted to join the military like Steve but decided to use his new abilities for his own gain as opposed to his country where as John got kidnapped as a kid. Now fighting style wise yeah he’s more like Chief
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Not really, chief fight style is more using riffles & heavy punches, while Fred-104 is more acrobatic & relies on short guns & Knives, Slade fight style is closer to Fred.-104
They always have to nerf deathstroke or just flat out make him uninterested when he fights Batman so he doesn’t beat him. I think he should technically beat him on equal footing. It seems like they just don’t want to show it.
and then there is nightwing who beats deathstroke when he himself is on a disadventage but people still claim batsy is way better in combate then nightwing . . .
@@SingingSealRianaDick is a circus freak, makes sense for him to be above Bruce.
I think Arkham Origins' trailer is my favorite depiction of the two. You can see Slade's a bit stronger, faster and more agile, but Batman's gadgets and raw skill help him hold his own. It hits that perfect sweet spot for me that doesn't disrespect either party.
The more important question; do you prefer Deathstroke as a Batman villain or a Teen Titans villain?
Teen titans, purely off nostalgia
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A Titans and nightwing villain
Nightwing villain.
Batman.. even tho he is a titans villian him and batman are perfectly evenly matched and share alot of similarities..
Batman villain
the research you put into this is amazing. this deserves so many views
Great work on this video! Always a pleasure seeing Nightwing shine as well.
Finally. Thank you for your amazing work, Crisis 👍🏻
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@@CRISIS_COMICS I do feel lucky, daddy 😏
I'm so glad ur actually looking at consistency I've seen people argue batman unironically scales to reverse flash
See I agree with the 60/40 in Deathstroke's favor. Good analysis and honestly yeah, the consistency thing was a great point to bring up to.
Hope you have a restful holidays Crisis.
Yeah and Batman has plot armor most of the time deathstroke is legit superhuman if not has super strength and insane speed and is just as skilled but the fact Batman can tangle with this nigga is insane😂
10:24 LOOOOOOL I wasn't ready for that
Oh shit Lincoln came back? Mad, great video by the way
This are some of the best street level "Who would win" type of videos, keep it up!
I´m curious about who would win betweet Harley Quinn and Punchline.
They fought before; Harley lost round one but won round two. Harley also bullied Damian recently.
@@CRISIS_COMICS I know, I know, just wanted an excuse for a Harley power-scale video. She´s so underrated.
I guess Deathstroke destroys Batman makes sense, with all the buffs Nightwing received, Starting his training way younger than Bruce but also having Bruce’s and numerous top tier martial artists like even being good enough as a kid in one issue of old to be a candidate for Sensei-O training even and so on, Deathstroke is a villain meant to rival entire teams not heroes in Batsuits necessarily.
Arkham origins was so legendary, it had everybody thinking Batman bodies Slade 5-1 instead of 1-5 lmao, I’ll admit this was informative since I didn’t know everything of their history. I’m a bigger Grayson vs Slade fan personally.
Grayson is clearly above them at this point. Won't the fight be nightwing's win anyway? If anything he needs stronger opponents far above those 2. Hell I've personally thrown batman below nightwing in all respects they are *not* equals.
Karate kid
Richard dragon
Cassandra
Shiva
Nightwing
Deathstroke
Bronze tiger
Black Canary
Connor hawk
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Hell I question batman's skill putting him in the top 10 he's in probably 20 hell I'll put Constantine Drakon at 10
@@user-lp8im7ow8s Bruce has admitted he can't beat Shiva and in rebirth batwoman asked if he thinks he can Cassandra and through his own admission he said he's not beating her hand to hand.
In I am suicide batman said to bronze tiger he's better after bronze tiger asked if batman got slower. Batman's remark was "No you're faster"
Then we have guys like ghostmaker said to be batman's equals. DC just needs to release a definitive list.
@@user-lp8im7ow8s can I have the name of the comic where Shiva batman fights Shiva without Armour?
@@baki484 He did , to get his strength back and after consistent training , he won .
The Comic Shiva won was the same Comic Shiva matched Batman
@@user-lp8im7ow8s you're talking about his training in knightfall volume 3 when he regained his skill by sparring with Shiva for roughly 2 weeks and he learned the leopard blow after seeing it once? That wasn't an actual fight. DC rebirth detective comics Shiva put him down and told him he's not match she's been playing a part. Insinuating that she's been holding back.
I love batman (literally my favorite superhero of all time) but nightwing seems to scale above all that every combat feat batman has struggled against raptor while nightwing casually took him down.
Then we had his fight against Shiva where he fought with a broken rib or ribs and slade... Need I say more? The latter 2 push batman to his limits while we have an injured Nightwing contending. It was nightwing who beat Slade *twice* in the recent crisis. While Bruce struggles to beat slade (any win was usually slade playing a role as stated in the video)
I do think that using Batman’s tech as a slight against his prowess is unfair. Deathstroke uses knifes, swords, guns, etc. strength gap or not. The tech should count as part of Batman’s arsenal in a fight. The fight is automatically unfair with Slades superhuman capabilities so him using gauntlets and tech is fair game. Excluding vehicles and armors ofc
Oh my god this video's an absolute banger, congrats man!
Me being a huge nightwing fan just smiling through this video
Game recognizes game
Same
Could you do a “How strong is Delsin Rowe” in future?
Or maybe put him in a versus battle
Crisis, your videos- and your entire RUclips channel in general- are phenomenal. This power scaling breakdown of Slade and Bats was sick asf. Great stuff
Deathstroke has stated he is better than batman but has said he cannot make a single mistake against batman as he would loose.
Batman is superior in skill and intellect while deathstroke is superhuman healing factor etc edges out the skill gap. Also it's a fact that bruce is superior in intellect as it was stated in the comics by an AI.
@@TheDemigregHow can Batman be superior in intellect when Slade has superhuman intelligence? Slade is also a much better tactician than Batman. Skill wise, I might give a slight edge to Batman, but that edge is very slight. Also, that edge/gap is immediately nullified by Slade’s superior physical stats.
The truth is, no non-superpowered character should be able to beat him hand to hand. It's not just his enhanced strength, speed, endurance, his reflexes are basically instantaneous. Getting past his defenses is like looking at a mirror and trying to punch your own reflection in the face. Your reflection's hand will always be in the way.
That's the reason Nightwing has done the best against him. Nightwing's quickness is unparalleled, and he's a super unorthodox fighter. Deathstroke can't predict Nightwing's strikes. Even with perfect reflexes, Nightwing's fist or foot is moving so fast that Deathstroke sometimes can't move his own body quick enough to block it.
gotta see batman vs nightwing at some point brother, great content btw!
I'm just happy you'r not underestimating Batman, cause the argument the argument that Batman is just human is stupid and lazy, when he's explicitly shown superhuman prowess, anyway, i'd love if you'd do a Martian Manhunter vs or scaling video.
Your videos are so good! The research is insane
“I’ve been looking forward to this”
-count dooku
Gotta applaud this, every major power scaler seems to think Batman low-diffs Slade at best but they have more consistent relativity then they do inconsistently.
This video is well done good job
Thanks!
Bro back at it again with the amazing content
Hey man I really love your content and the way you find the best details necessary for the video is top tier
Excellent analysis
so hyped, i’ve been waiting for this one. instant click when i saw it
These two are great/iconic rivals I like there rivalry just as much as I like the rivalry between Batman and Joker. I just subscribed to your channel by the way.
Thanks!🎉
@@CRISIS_COMICS don’t mention it merry 🎄🎁 and happy new 🎆🎊.
My day is always better when CRISIS uploads
Something people forget is that one of the Captain America's who was technically a super soldier became that way due to a decades long regimen of training and exercise.
Respect my man Slade 🔥🔥. W vid btw
Crisis keep up the good work dawg
This video about to be fire🔥
I mean…. That Arkham Knight fight between them was an absolute long lasting bloody war
I really enjoy how thorough and non biased you are in your videos. Have you ever considered making a top 10 martial artists outside of the bat family? Lady Shiva, Connor Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon and others I’m probably forgetting are just as if not more skilled than most of the bat family.
Yeah I’ll probably make a video on who the most skilled fighter is
Sometimes it seems as if Batman as a martial artist is being dusted and outclassed by everyone else.
@@udonnauchegbu2018 Batman can be cool without being the best.
@@CRISIS_COMICSnah but sometimes being the best is the coolest
Nice video once again! Maybe a Cassandra Cain vs Lady Shiva video next?
And then Arkham Batman came and said "I'm not playing games, Slade".
It was very inaccurate
0:42 Not exactly a good argument when we have Squirrel Girl beating Thanos. Just because it's fiction doesn't mean it's exempt from criticism. One moment Batman is "beating" gods and the next moment he's getting a can of whoop ass from a baby. Batman's power scaling is more bipolar then Texas weather.
Awesome video! Now waiting on the Shredder vs. Splinter, Spiderman vs. Venom and, of course, Goku vs. Vegeta
Then again you wouldn’t want to make the match-ups too spicy 😂
@@stanis_gaming Spidey VS Venom I could see
The thing i love about deathstroke is the amount of respect he has for his enemies. Hes always throwing out compliments.
I know I'm super late but whats your thoughts on Bane vs Deathstroke? I'm in favor of Bane but I'd like to hear the thoughts of someone more well versed in a topic like that
Imagine if Batman had Slades super soldier serum. I think he’d mid-diff him consistently.
bro batman would neg to low diff with the serum
He’d low diff him. He already is High-Extreme diffing him already with the serum he’d be an even more skilled fighter and more powerful
Nah, he'd be the same. Deathstroke is equally skilled
@yurisssecondaccount6674 batman is keeping up with deathstroke who has super steroids while batman is keeping up due to his skills so no your wrong that's not to say deathstroke is not skilled his wanna of the most skilled combatants in DC but batman and in fact nightwing who has proven to be as our possibly greater then batman
@@D16_56 You do realise steroids amp skills too? Pro fighters who are on steroids have a massive skill advantage as they can train for much longer and more frequently. Which is why a guy who has super steroids would be more skilled
Finally, someone who uses facts
Idk if this comment will be seen. But just discovered your RUclips channel and I love your videos. The detail and ability to analyze context is amazing. I couldn't help but follow after watching a few videos. Maybe we can collaborate, I'm still moderately new to RUclips myself but I'd love to work with you.
Thanks for making this video. There are some delusional people that really think Batman can just “mop the floor” with deathstroke and captain America, it’s pathetic
Read that latest fight he posted in his pinned. Batman literally goes untouched from slade and batters him and only gets hit while specifically distracted he was also hired to protect who Batman was distracted by so he was going all out and still lost. He got shot by green arrow in the end. Furthermore the same slade went relative to ghost maker and batman flat KO’d a venom amped ghost maker called ghost breaker recently and going even further from that we’ve seen cass go relative and stalemate slade and Bruce one shot her with a bat claw mid fight. Batman fighting unrestrained (which slade points out is the reason they stalemated) can and has mopped the floor with slade and his peers like Cass, Jason and David Cain.
Slade might scale to Wally tho
After all he can see faster 🥴
hilarious
i really appreciate you for talking about "consistency" in DC comics. Batman (a human) hurting godlike beings with his punches or kicks is simply a laughable joke. writers love to give batman the advantage over anyone "because hes batman" or "he has prep time" is just a poor excuse for plot armour. especially how defensive batman fanbase can be when it comes to batman vs superman.
It’s crazy how most of these fights Deathstroke has to be poisoned/nerfed whenever he fights someone of importance
This is the most justice I’ve seen with this character
Crisis can we potential get a vid of Cass vs Rose or Selina vs Talia. Maybe a Batgirls video….please
This is closer than people would think. It’s not as simple as “Batman always holds back.” To me Deathstroke has more W’s and better scaling than Batman but I haven’t read every comic so I wouldn’t know.
He never said batman held back though. In fact, he’s always gone all out and still loses except that one draw
Hey man keep up the great work this video is one of the best can you do bane versus kingpin or you can do how capable bane is because I feel people think bane is a dumb monster
There was a fight where Batman was beating deathstroke pretty easily but got distracted by riddler. There was also a fight where Batman beat deadshot and deathstroke at the same time
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Does Batman going all out Mean he’s Using Lethal techniques? I feel as if that is a good question. If he’s fighting Dick and going “all out” but refraining from using his most effective techniques & barely loses, I Think it’s safe to say he wouldn’t have lost otherwise. Same for Slade, Is Bruce Actively trying to take slades Life? Or is he Simply not pulling his punches. Not to disagree with the outcome of the video, but questions like these do change the Nightwing scaling.
you should do deathstroke vs captain america would be cool video
Deathstroke would kill cap.
Idk Batman got caught lacking in the batcave 😂but umm Deathstroke slapping captain America
When i heard that Deathstroke was the willain in son of Batman i become really excited. I always wanted a good fight between the 2 in any "mooving" media. You can imagine my dissapontment when Batman literally manhandels him. I'm still waiting for that fight but luckily arkham origins and its trailer is here to fill the void until it happens.
While this is a cool match up I personally see Slade as Nightwing’s arch nemesis.
Batman has Joker
Nightwing has Deathstroke.
Nightwing actually has Raptor as a nemesis
Imagine an Epic Fight in Arkham Knight like in the one in the Bat cave.
I've always stuck with Slade and will continue to. I love Batman though, he got me into comics.
Even before when I didn’t know comics well at all and hardly knew who batman and deathstroke was, I always thought deathstroke was stronger then batman. This video isn’t surprising to me but what’s more surprising is shredded from TMNT fought batman once what a collaboration
This is crazy with the context of Seth's video of a I'm not 100% sure what variant he uses a more comp Batman of his feats with a more canon Goku with their feats. With no powers Batman is millions of times more strategical (in methods to beat opponents,), better intuition, even with his memory whipped from Fortnite he found a way to come out every time within 22 minutes even after getting his memory whipped. Batman has better pressure point attacks, even beating people who have pre cognition or scale to others who fight with precognition even Batman has precognition himself to an extent like in the Arkham games with his intuitive body reading.
In conclusion the fact slade scales to this insanity.
I wrote that vid 😀
@@CRISIS_COMICS oh that's crazy I didn't know that thanks for the information.
Great video should do deadpool vs deathstroke at sum point
We gonna need a Wally west video
So basically, every time batman fights deathstorke, he "wins" but later said he was holding back or weakened 😂
I guess you could say Slade and edp have something in common.
How does Slade’s adaptive healing work? Does he get more durability to certain damage sources over time? Or does he get more efficient healing for certain damage types?
If he heals from something it becomes much less effective against him the second time
Like Doomsday. Say you killed him by using your Heat Vision. Next time Heat Vision won’t be able to make a dent in him. Stuff like that
Superior fighter or superior being?
Can you do a comic Spider-Man strength scaling because I study Spider-Man(without amps)because I try to explain he has feats(overpowering firelord,and him lifting the daily bugle and penn station which weighed thousands of tons and staggering/overpowering the hulk and the thing and griffin)that put him above she hulk and the thing when they don’t have amps and that his feats aren’t pis/outliers.And also he has multiple feats that put him on par with regular Wonder Woman too
Consistent Spider-Man isn’t on the same level as consistent Wonder Woman. Also why her specifically?
With that scaling , Deathstroke is on par with Flash
@@achimpanzee9210 I’m just saying her because he is has a lot of high tier feats that equal to her but people always but these high tier feats as outliers even though their is multiple of them and pretty consistent with his mid tier feats (which are when he is holding back)
If you look at Spider-Man high tier feats their is so many and they are all pretty consistent it’s him just not holding back unlike his mid tier feats which is when he is
@@spideraty1529 but as you said they’re high tier feats. I mean Wonder Woman has been hurt by bullets a couple times but that doesn’t mean she’s consistently bullet level in durability. She’s one of the strongest members of the Justice League so comparing Spider-Man to her is like comparing Spider-Man to Green Lantern, Shazam and others.
Great vid but I feel batman beats deathstroke more. Batman is more skilled. Also over 125 styles he master. He's beaten Shiva before, knows every pressure point and recently, took down slade and dead shot at the same time..I'm going with Bats. Slade is my favorite villain though
If this was a Batman who doesn’t hold back then Batman would probably win. The thing about Batman is he continuously holds back and that’s what stops him from reaching his true potential. I’m a big Batman fan so I know.
That last comment tho....
Batman never held back. He still loses
@@beyond648 wish I just that I could’ve ended it there 😂
@@beyond648wym
@@Pherretfish”no kill rule” that’s been established for the Batman we are common with
One question is how many martial arts does Deathstroke know? We already know that Batman knows approximately 127 different martial arts, but how many does Deathstroke know? Maybe Slade knows a number of martial arts equal to or greater than Batman's or much less. You can't give me a solid answer
Do you scale based just off fights? Or feats outside of it? Like Batman out stealthing Clark, going toe to toe with Wonder Woman in h2h who is comparable to ares and he has millions/billions of years of h2h experience
Just curious
Oh you went over it lol
But if it happens consistently like Batman reacting to speedsters multiple times, taking out red lanterns, dodging omega beams etc
And others in the batfam on that level IE: Wally west saying he’s surprised at dicks speed multiple times and Dick even reacting to him
I just think those would put Batman on top
Deathstrokes feats stat he’s just better. Even as a speedster he’s better then speedster batman
@@zeuxconors2185 also btw, deathstroke caught two speedsters effortlessly one being Wally west and then he made a deal for his powers. He also mentioned in the video when he fought multiple heroes one of them being Wally.
What about Wintergreen vs Alfred!
Arkham deathstroke vs Marvel's spider-man Taskmaster
Had to click immediately
Captain America vs deathstroke
On paper stat-wise deathstroke should win but Batman wins for the stories sake.
Have you read jujutsu kaisen? If so, could you maybe make a Deathstroke vs Toji Zennin video
Toji gets dog washed💀💀💀
I love the character of batman so much more than Deathstroke, but Deathstroke wins in a short term fistfight.
But then again, in the long-term, Batman would win.
What Deathstroke has over batman in fighting skill and strength, Batman makes up in intelligence (and vise versa)
They outmatch eachother in different ways, but they are equals.
can you do Ps4 spidey vs Tobey maguire spidey,Great video thank you
Nightwing vs Ghost maker who would win?
Only thing I have a problem with is the way you talk about bat Tech. It’s a part of Batman in the same way you wouldn’t say Ironman should fight captain America without the Ironman suit.
The best fighter doesn't always win in real life either.
Batman is the reason why Deathstroke goes after teens
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If Batman wanted to kill he would be a menace. 190 IQ, stronger than any person that has ever been recorded irl, fast enough to do the impossible and casually dodge gunfire, and not to mention he is a multibillionaire with gadgets from the 22nd century.
His iq is definitely 300-320 not joke but physically deathstroke is superior
The most fascinating thing about Batman is that when he knows he won’t stand a chance against someone he always have a plan to always turn the odds in his favor that’s why I like him.(knight wings better)