Nightwing VS Red Hood | WHO WOULD WIN?

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  • @CRISIS_COMICS
    @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +374

    The real question: who are you main-ing in Gotham Knights???

    • @HittoTheAssassin
      @HittoTheAssassin 2 года назад +22

      Damien Wayne

    • @revan0890
      @revan0890 2 года назад +12

      I'm going to main Tim when I finally buy the game.

    • @hotfuzzy153
      @hotfuzzy153 2 года назад +34

      Nightwing he's the best

    • @jordanbraden4043
      @jordanbraden4043 2 года назад +22

      Nightwing

    • @kordellpurnell6207
      @kordellpurnell6207 2 года назад +6

      @@hotfuzzy153 exactly but not for awhile for this guy tho still pissed this only came out for Next Gen😒

  • @johnredlacatan5940
    @johnredlacatan5940 Год назад +561

    Nightwing: Batman's idealism personified
    Red hood: Batman's aggression personified.

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom Год назад +46

      Nightwing: Batman’s idealism personified
      Red hood: The opposite of Batman’s idealism personified
      a yin-yang to Batman…

    • @That80sGuy1972
      @That80sGuy1972 Год назад +21

      That's actually a great comparison... and probably the best "save" for Jason Todd.

    • @Elberich1
      @Elberich1 Год назад +28

      Damien: Batman's nut personified.

    • @99thJediWarrior
      @99thJediWarrior Год назад +5

      One represents what Batman must do to for Gotham, the other represents what Batman wants to do to criminals... spot on, man.

    • @gabrielcastejon7914
      @gabrielcastejon7914 Год назад +1

      @@Elberich1 🤣

  • @GMP1isReal
    @GMP1isReal Год назад +613

    I always feel bad for Jason. So many stories just have him get his ass beat to make other characters look good, and feels like he only got to shine as a villain in Under the Red Hood.

    • @WWMK05
      @WWMK05 Год назад +73

      Facts and it’s a shame

    • @lilsinistercrow3184
      @lilsinistercrow3184 Год назад +55

      on god kinda pisses me off

    • @kaygarcia3077
      @kaygarcia3077 Год назад +8

      I think they are building him up for something. I want them you polish his design more though, have him stand out more both with the suit and with out it.

    • @lahkooky504westside3
      @lahkooky504westside3 Год назад +18

      Nightwing fans: first time?

    • @jxlennn
      @jxlennn 8 месяцев назад +9

      It’s the other way around. They literally downgrade characters just to make Jason look cool or better. Like in outlaws they forced him to have a relationship with starfire just to make him look cool when it did nothing for her character and she’s much better with Nightwing and being on Nightwing’s team. Same for Roy Harper he grew up with Dick Grayson but the writers forced him to join the Outlaws even though he has much better dynamics with the Titans.

  • @dustindodge4670
    @dustindodge4670 2 года назад +755

    I feel that jason todd is treated by the comic writers as the red headed step child of the bat family.

    • @Darthvegeta8000
      @Darthvegeta8000 2 года назад +20

      Probably why together with Azrael is my favorutie.

    • @garretthoneycutt6353
      @garretthoneycutt6353 Год назад +56

      Because he is technically

    • @masonpiatt-villasenor686
      @masonpiatt-villasenor686 Год назад +29

      It's offensive to call Jason red headed, Yknow after what the joker did to his face... and his head lol

    • @No-ny3co
      @No-ny3co Год назад +35

      I mean he is the red headed step child of the batfamily Jason is canonically a red head

    • @That80sGuy1972
      @That80sGuy1972 Год назад +8

      To be fair, metaphorically speaking, he is pretty much that. Also, the "^sshole son".

  • @OurKindofEntertainment
    @OurKindofEntertainment 2 года назад +537

    I always look at fights like this a certain way: which character can defeat much stronger opponents while restraining themselves by NOT using lethal force? That's usually the character who can and will win IF all bets are off and it's a 'death battle' situation.
    I think about Son of Batman (animated film) when Nightwing was able to defeat Damian when they first met. The little brat was clearly using lethal force due to the MANY slashes he got on Dick with his sword. However, the former boy wonder was able to restrain him by tying him up and hang him from a streetlight.
    If Nightwing WASN'T holding back, he could've killed Damian no problem.

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +95

      That movie sucks and isn’t comic accurate

    • @Aakash-tg1uk
      @Aakash-tg1uk 2 года назад +72

      @@CRISIS_COMICS true, considering how often they nerf everyone for the sake of the plot (even batman wasn't spared) and how overpowered damien is. Not to mention how often nightwing broke his shoulder (someone even made a compilation of it in RUclips) .

    • @OurKindofEntertainment
      @OurKindofEntertainment 2 года назад +73

      @@Aakash-tg1uk Yo, Nightwing got done so dirty in ALL of those DC animated movies from that New 52 universe it was pathetic!

    • @OurKindofEntertainment
      @OurKindofEntertainment 2 года назад +34

      @@CRISIS_COMICS True and Damian got more plot armor than Master Roshi and Krillin did during the Tournament of Power arc in Dragon Ball Super. Seriously, Damain besting Deathstroke?!

    • @elijahcesar4149
      @elijahcesar4149 2 года назад +10

      @@CRISIS_COMICS not the point it has been proven and your vid states nightwing. IS ALWAYS HOLDING BACK.
      Yes in that situation if he wanted to he woulda def killed damian...
      So what are you talking about accurate or not.

  • @HamgeekGaming
    @HamgeekGaming 10 месяцев назад +31

    "The batfamily are all melodramatic dorks" is probably the best way to sum up so much of the Bat group events, lmfao

  • @davidpap5369
    @davidpap5369 2 года назад +1024

    I knew Nightwing had this in the bag, but I really appreciate the extensive analysis. How about one for Tim and Damian?

    • @CommanderShepard-wq3wo
      @CommanderShepard-wq3wo 2 года назад +108

      I’d put my money on Damian as he’s been trained to be a much more deadlier fighter than Tim could ever dream of. Damian was trained by Ra’s, Talia, and the League of Assassins pretty much from the moment he could walk. Then by Batman.
      The thing that Tim has over all the other Robins, is his tactical mind and detective skills as they’re on par if not better than Batman. Ra’s respects him so much on this skill set that he’s called Tim “detective” something that Ra’s calls Batman with the highest of respects.
      Still, I too would like to see him cover those two in a video

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +122

      @@NOGIMAD ☝️how to tell someone didn’t watch the video

    • @H34rtofFire
      @H34rtofFire 2 года назад +28

      And all of 'em would get rocked by Cassandra. With Damien putting up the biggest fight.

    • @ccraft00
      @ccraft00 2 года назад +53

      @@NOGIMAD nightwing is faster and more athletic than Jason. Not only that but nightwing has beaten Jason when Jason was trying to kill him. And nightwing has fought ra’s Al ghul and death stroke when they were trying to kill him, and beat Batman when he was not going to hold back

    • @ccraft00
      @ccraft00 2 года назад +20

      @@NOGIMAD meanwhile Jason has seen that when Bruce isn’t holding back he can’t handle him. I agree it won’t be an easy fight but Jason isn’t much bigger than Dick and isn’t much stronger post venom.

  • @Qolumbo
    @Qolumbo 2 года назад +277

    Nightwing is arguably better than Batman. He's that guy, for real.
    I'd like to see a video of you ranking the best martial artists in DC.

    • @angelocadena7094
      @angelocadena7094 2 года назад +37

      he is. bats agrees.

    • @hugejackedman3447
      @hugejackedman3447 2 года назад +2

      Was gonna comment this as well but wanted to see if someone else did first.

    • @tchoythao1730
      @tchoythao1730 2 года назад +27

      He already beat Bats in a fight. He also already beat Jason. Pretty sure Jason was tryna kill him and he just whooped him.

    • @CAGAT25
      @CAGAT25 2 года назад +13

      @@honorwithoutlaw bruce actually did not. though i do believe that batman will beat nightwing like 6 out of 10 times due to superior equipment,tech and more, i do believe that Dick Grayson beats Bruce wayne H2H no weapons.

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +15

      @@honorwithoutlaw Watch the video, Bats went all out per the author

  • @jamesrocco7701
    @jamesrocco7701 Год назад +66

    One thing that sets Nightwing apart from every other member including Batman is he is a prodigious athlete, and yes this does make a difference in his ability to learn and master physically faster than even an average or excellent athlete. Its been stated he is the worlds greatest acrobat. Speed, agility, strength, dexterity, balance, coordination and more go into this you could literally look at every male gold metal gymnast and combine that into him. When all of this is combined with a martial artist whos been doing it for more than half his life, dude I'm out, ill just lay here.

    • @crazyscotsman9327
      @crazyscotsman9327 Год назад +3

      Reminds me of the thug who just turned around when he saw Batman. It's how I'd act if they Batfamily were about to kick my ass. I'd just lay down and be like. "Ok you got me. I don't want this smoke."

    • @MasterIceyy
      @MasterIceyy 3 месяца назад +1

      Also Dick was the youngest Robin, starting at 8 years old. Jason at 12, Tim at 13. Those additional years of training in his most formative years gives him such a significant advantage over Jason and Tim. That large of a skill, talent, experience, and training gap would just be incredibly difficult to over come.
      Also Dick even being the one to become and take over the Batman mantle, as he's the true embodiment of the legacy

  • @carlgraham9526
    @carlgraham9526 2 года назад +162

    I can't be the only one that's both amused and annoyed by the fact Jason is no longer the only member of the bat family that died, he doesn't even have the Robin who died title. Literally the most important part of his character, can now be applied to Nightwing, Damien, I'm sure Tim os going to bite the bucket at some point if he hasn't already

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад +9

      He’s now the magician Robin who died, aka The All-caste arc and Gotham knights now and Lazarus mess….
      Better than Speedy himbo nice Robin like Nightwing non-fans believe… used to be Golden boy Robin.

    • @MateusDrake
      @MateusDrake 2 года назад +8

      Tim kinda died after "A Lonely Place of Living" (Detective Comics first post-Rebirth arc, IIRC), when he had to make a sacrifice play and got gunned down by drones.
      The New 52 Teen Titans mourned him, same goes for Steph, the bat-family and specially Bruce.
      Then it was revealed that it was actually Dr. Oz (who, spoiler alert, was Jor-El of all people all along...) who had made him prisoner for reasons.
      Now, besides Forever Evil and Ric Grayson, I don't think Dick has died, been mourned, etc. Even while he was Ric, he was alive and well, and kinda happy.

    • @carlgraham9526
      @carlgraham9526 2 года назад +1

      @@MateusDrake I haven't kept up with the comics for a while, but was there not a justice league story were Dick was hooked up to a machine, his heart stopped and was resuscitated, lex luthur was there but don't remember his role

    • @huntertezz
      @huntertezz 2 года назад +10

      @@Artryom He kinda lost that as well. Looks like Damian is gonna be the magic Robin. Damian also got the record for the most deaths.

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад

      @@carlgraham9526 That was forever evil like he was referring to... And besides that, Dick hasn't died much, even then he didn't technically die tho but faked his death.

  • @jocoolshow
    @jocoolshow 2 года назад +324

    I know this is about Nightwing and Red Hood, but it does make me wonder how strong and skilled of a fighter Tim Drake actually is in the grand scheme of things

    • @bernardabang4107
      @bernardabang4107 2 года назад +117

      He is decent but below Nightwing and Red Hood by miles. He is the best detective of them all.

    • @Kezexclusive
      @Kezexclusive 2 года назад +3

      If he had similar strength to them I think he’d win but as of now nah

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +93

      @@Kezexclusive Future Tim says he’d never be as skilled

    • @Oataro
      @Oataro 2 года назад +47

      Tim is like the weakest in terms of fighting ability don’t get me wrong he is skilled but his intelligence makes up for it although the other members of the bat-family would destroy him in a fight of just fighting ability

    • @jlpgamin
      @jlpgamin 2 года назад +25

      Tim as a whole is a good fighter but he's also a strategic genius. In comics he's beaten Lady Shiva twice and close to stalemated Cassandra Cain

  • @mithatbilgi8199
    @mithatbilgi8199 2 года назад +80

    Great video! Though, I don't think people really give enough credit to Red Hood's resourcefulness and sheer will and determination, if each Robin represents a different aspect of Batman (Dick being the light-hearted JL-type superhero Batman, Tim being the world's greatest detective, and Damian being the esoteric assassin side of Batman), Jason is the man who never quits, never gives up, and is able to scrounge up and find resources for whatever he needs to do no matter what, and while he absolutely would still probably need further strategic and tactical training and further growth as a character, I think he has the potential of being the only other human who could take out a rogue Superman other than Batman tbh.
    I'd say that Dick's victory, which yeah is likelier as it is, relies on him being able to take Jason down quickly, but the longer the fight goes on for the more the balances would tip in Jason's favor as Jason being leaner vs Dick being faster would likely lead to Dick getting tired more quickly, and Jason's determination and resourcefulness would come in more and more into play, bearing in mind that this man dug himself out of his own grave, he would not give up unless he's forced to. ie, Jason does stand a better chance if he is able to drag out the fight. Also, in a fight Jason being able to pull a gun right before Dick can subdue him isn't just "having guns", that's quick thinking and resourcefulness, he can make the best of whatever shitty situation he's put into very quickly, and that's skill tbh. Will say, Jason's biggest weakness is not having like cohesive plans/strategies and tactics imo, which is ironically the opposite of Tim Drake p much, but if he had that he would genuinely be much more capable on the whole.

    • @juanjuan4119
      @juanjuan4119 8 месяцев назад

      i will disagree with you on jason not having plans/strategies he orchestrated and manipulated black mask into freeing the joker of cource his plans and tatics arent anything like tims but to say he dosnt have any is crazy ngl

    • @viveknag47
      @viveknag47 Месяц назад

      Actually it is Dick who never gives up. Literally Dick was one of the guys shortlisted for Green Lantern. Dick has several feats of willpower in comics. Dick once hunted Two-Face without sleeping for 4 days. Dick carried a baby through a desert when Midnighter couldn't handle the situation. Dick has resistance to fear toxin. Raven couldn't read Dick's mind. Dick has resisted several mind readers. Dick resisted Brother Blood's mind control. Jason meanwhile doesn't have that willpower and control. That's why he killed almost a 100 prisoners because he was bored.

  • @kazerzozay
    @kazerzozay Год назад +19

    I love that every reference you have you cited the actual comic cover. That make you very distinct from other comic RUclipsrs and better for the audiences. Thank you!! Keep up the good work

  • @caldeandrade69
    @caldeandrade69 2 года назад +344

    Another thing that really benefitted Nightwing in being a better fighter than Red Hood is his training with the Titans, Teen Titans and the Young Justice.
    Nightwing is always training with his team mates who are metahumans or alien powerhouses. To Nightwing, guns and being lethal is nothing new.

    • @ahop3807
      @ahop3807 2 года назад +6

      Young justice is not comic canon

    • @a.c.slater7989
      @a.c.slater7989 2 года назад +20

      There’s a comic where Dick was analyzing his Allies and showed how he could take them down like Batman. Batman even said his destiny is to lead the Justice League

    • @theredscum4202
      @theredscum4202 2 года назад +1

      @@ahop3807 damn you either a fancy or dense. You realize in the comics he's trained with metahumans. Which Young Justice takes things from the comic books so did what kind of defense your statement is other than to reveal you mad butthurt

    • @pablopersonal7693
      @pablopersonal7693 2 года назад +7

      Jason would definately splatter Nightwing, feel like people haven’t read some of his comics he is smart witty n knows how to outsmart way bigger opponents n doesn’t hold back he can easily take out Nightwing if Nightwing were to be mad

    • @theredscum4202
      @theredscum4202 2 года назад +17

      @@pablopersonal7693 it seems like it I'd you skipping the books Dick beats Jason multiple times

  • @BlazerK1914
    @BlazerK1914 2 года назад +408

    Nightwing: "No killing, got it?"
    Red Hood: "Sure." *shoots a thug*
    Nightwing: "Damn it, Jason!"

  • @bionic-tyro6729
    @bionic-tyro6729 2 года назад +142

    I feel like it really comes down to who is more liked by more people. For instance, since Dick Grayson is one of the most liked DC comic book characters, he has more comics he is in and thus more experience and history for writers to draw from.
    I also feel like Jason's training isn't as fleshed out as Dick's.
    As much as I like both characters I like Red Hood more, but I feel like if he isn't with the Outlaws, or whatever team he is put on, he is just there to get beat up.

    • @ObaREX
      @ObaREX 2 года назад +16

      Which funny because in most movies and TV series, Nightwing tends to get floored all the time.

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад +9

      It doesn’t matter on popularity but feats of said character which depends on the writer more so… Batman has all that since the 40s but then Ghostmaker and Deathstroke shows up and roughs him up for example. Bane comes outta nowhere… popularity isn’t always a deciding factor.

    • @bionic-tyro6729
      @bionic-tyro6729 2 года назад +21

      @@Artryom However all the characters you mentioned were put in there to challenge the protagonist to force them to change, it's part of the heros story. Bane was made to be a physical challenge to Batman so Batman would have a struggle he would have to beat. What I am saying is that because Nightwing is so popular, writers make stories for him and since part of a story is the struggle, with how many stories Nightwing gets, he also beats a lot of struggles and thus gets stronger, so in that way the more popular Nightwing gets the more stories he gets and the more chances for him to get stronger.

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад +1

      @@bionic-tyro6729 Except a character can do something outrageous and beat everything they've done in a single issue take Jason vs Lady Shiva for example, Jason won and I've seen many fans argue that win places him on top of Grayson in skills. A character can have 100 stories but all it takes is one good story, one good feat, Jason Todd fan boys are also that win over Batman, Damian, Green arrow and Mnahunter beats most of what Grayson has done. The ein over nerfed Deathstroke proves Jason is the better fighter, etc etc, none of this is true but imagine those wins without what actually happened, he would be the better fighter if the context of those were genuine and fair wins.

    • @bionic-tyro6729
      @bionic-tyro6729 2 года назад +2

      @@Artryom While I agree that one single issue can make a character stronger, I still believe that the more popular character has the advantage because they get more issues to explore their character and thus make them stronger (or weaker in some cases) and that is just down to their being more chances to get stronger due to more issues caused by the characters popularity. This doesn't make a character with less stories weaker though, I mean Martian Manhunter has some of the strongest abilities in all of DC(if used correctly by writers) but when was the last comic that featured him as a prominent character?
      And all though I am a Red Hood fan, I can admit that quite a few of his wins over established strong characters, like Deathstroke and Shiva, are due mostly to the scenarios he fights them in or taking advantage of specific weaknesses, (I don't think taking advantage of a weakness is a sign of a good fighter, but a sign of a good strategist).
      Overall I never meant to sound like popularity is the only thing that decides who is stronger or not, Its not even close to the only reason. What really matters in who is going to win in a fight is what the writer wants. I remember hearing in a n interview with a comic book writer that they said that if the writer wants a character to win, then the writer will come up with a way or scenario in which the character wins.

  • @lettucelad
    @lettucelad 2 года назад +14

    i really love how ya explained everything thoroughly especially with so detailed analysis referring to many runs and eras of DC comics yet still able to make it understandable and engaging for people who watch this video. i stopped reading dc comics since the early rebirth days and only start reading around pre N52 era however, watching this vid make me wanna catch up again tbh

  • @MateusDrake
    @MateusDrake 2 года назад +72

    I mean, as much as I love both of them, I would bet on Dick winning 9 out of 10.
    I like the idea that each of the Robins has an specialization, but I don't think Jason's combat prowess would be number one in the family with Cass and Dick there.

  • @theremedy2abh
    @theremedy2abh Год назад +14

    The deep sigh before he said "dickie boy" absolutely sent me 😭😭

  • @vincentshadetree
    @vincentshadetree 2 года назад +14

    I always like these matchups between these two, they both have an edge on the other in certain aspects

  • @quanahabshire7066
    @quanahabshire7066 2 года назад +40

    They've been nerfing Jason since under the red hood. It's so annoying, make him a villain again

    • @dc7981
      @dc7981 2 года назад +6

      I think Jason is a reverse Venom in that he arguably works better as a villain

    • @meadow5178
      @meadow5178 Год назад +6

      jason is more of a anti-hero

    • @dc7981
      @dc7981 Год назад +4

      @@meadow5178 yeah but he started out as an anti hero/villain hybrid

  • @tremel7336
    @tremel7336 2 года назад +33

    I didn't realize Jason was so underpowered. I know that the writer's always have him basically lose to anyone with more experience, but this is downright criminal.
    I'm aware I'm being biased but it is also true that DC doesn't know what to do with his character. From my perspective, Jason should have become Bruce's complete equal some time ago as they are the same question with different answers. There shouldn't be any copout's to his prowess or lethality.
    This video just made me want to give him the justice he deserves.

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom Год назад +5

      He doesn’t deserve to be given unfair treatment such as making him Batman’s equal at all though. It took Grayson fifty years to obtain “Equal to Batman” status, a guy who’s been around way longer, only a year after him and yet folks still debate that Writers are trash and Batman mops him then this bratty failure comes along and should be his “Equal” ? Nah, shouldn’t be how it works my boy. It should take Jason 100 years to objectively reach his level.

    • @tremel7336
      @tremel7336 Год назад +16

      @@Artryom I get that, but that's because the writer are always pussy-footing. It shouldn't have taken over fifty years of comics for Grayson to reach Batman's level nor should it for Jason. Dick has the training, discipline, and skill to do such a thing but unlike batman he's more of a team player which should divide his prowess. Jason put in the same amount of work, effort, and dedication as Bruce, some would argue more, just to be the punching bag of the entire family even though he is the most similar to the bat. Each member of the family has the short end compared to Bruce, which is fine most of the time since we wouldn't have any of them without him, but that shouldn't be the case all the time. I pointed out how I'm biased towards Jason and that's why I chose to focus on him. He's my favorite out of the Batfamily and rarely does he get the respect of a well written and compelling story with the exception of returning to life to combat his father figure. The writers need to move on, explore the next chapter in his life the right way. Even I don't think he should outright whoop Dick and Bruce but he should be headed in that direction as Batman's true equal or biggest opposition, and I think Dick should be the one to surpass them seeing as he was the only one who escaped their mentors shadow.

    • @WWMK05
      @WWMK05 Год назад +3

      I know right it makes no sense as to why he so under powered it’s sad

    • @user-lp8im7ow8s
      @user-lp8im7ow8s 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@tremel7336Dick Grayson training entire teams and the Justice League viewing him as their defacto leader is a status that SHOULD take a long time to gain , Bruce grew from his pain to be a father and reflect the best of himself like Nightwing, Jason being the equal to Bruce isn't deserved , he hasn't grown like Batman did, nor Grayson

    • @tremel7336
      @tremel7336 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@user-lp8im7ow8s Again, I get that, but that's because the writer are always pussy-footing. It shouldn't have taken over fifty years of comics for Grayson to reach Batman's level nor should it for Jason. Dick has the training, discipline, and skill to do such a thing but unlike batman he's more of a team player which should divide his prowess. Jason put in the same amount of work, effort, and dedication as Bruce, some would argue more, just to be the punching bag of the entire family even though he is the most similar to the bat. Each member of the family has the short end compared to Bruce, which is fine most of the time since we wouldn't have any of them without him, but that shouldn't be the case all the time. I pointed out how I'm biased towards Jason and that's why I chose to focus on him. He's my favorite out of the Batfamily and rarely does he get the respect of a well written and compelling story with the exception of returning to life to combat his father figure. The writers need to move on, explore the next chapter in his life the right way. Even I don't think he should outright whoop Dick and Bruce but he should be headed in that direction as Batman's true equal or biggest opposition, and I think Dick should be the one to surpass them seeing as he was the only one who escaped their mentors shadow.

  • @jordanglasper1064
    @jordanglasper1064 Год назад +22

    The reason why the Batman family ranking scale is a bit off kilter. Far more complex than it should be, is because they kept on progressively keeping dick Grayson considerably weaker than Batman. For unknown reasons. They hoed him so bad til it wasn’t funny. I’m glad you’re giving Dick Grayson the love recognition and the flowers he deserves. The greatest near the hand combat Robin there ever was or ever will be. And finally legitimately giving his flowers for surpassing Batman in totality. Just subscribed, notifications fell on!!!

  • @achimpanzee9210
    @achimpanzee9210 2 года назад +28

    I’d say Nightwing due to him being either equal or a little below to Batman in skill. To my knowledge Jason hasn’t shown any feats on that level.

    • @Kezexclusive
      @Kezexclusive 2 года назад

      Honestly if they gave tim drake similar strength to Jason or nightwing he might be the best robin cos he was the most clever robin as well

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад

      @@Kezexclusive Same if they gave them his level of intellect, they’d be even more dangerous than him even if they did…

    • @Kezexclusive
      @Kezexclusive 2 года назад

      @@Artryom Ik I’m just saying what he needs to be on their level

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад

      @@Kezexclusive Ah, right…

  • @Artryom
    @Artryom 2 года назад +15

    I had zero clue he KEPT his Talon training and memories oof, good to note.

  • @ajjackson100
    @ajjackson100 2 года назад +43

    Looking at narratives from different stories to “me” shouldn’t factor as who would win in a fight between characters. Of course Dick looks better on paper because he’s had “several” books dedicated to him, same as Batman. The person who wins a fight in a comic is the person that writer wants to win. For me it’s feats. There indisputable. Like for example: Nightwing is literally the best none powered acrobat on earth, he literally can do moves that no one else can, or Jason’s All-Blades cutting through Robots in one issue and Spirits in the next, or Demons and Aliens. The point I’m trying make is you should use feats removed from narrative to determine who’d win. None of this holding back crap nonsense. Of course dick held back he didn’t feel like hurting whoever, or of course Jason’s holding back because if he aimed like he does when he actually kills another human the human dies. To me I think in a hand to hand Fight dick Grayson wins. But in a actual scenario where Jason is actually trying to kill dick he most likely would.

    • @peteryeter892
      @peteryeter892 2 года назад +10

      did you watch the full video? Red hood said that up until a time he was actively trying to kill Dick everytime they met up and still couldn't, Jason has that killer edge and strength on Dick but literally every other aspect is lacking compared to him, Nightwing is widely considered the most skilled fighter out of all the robins and has shown several times that he can and will take down Jason if need be.

    • @ajjackson100
      @ajjackson100 2 года назад +20

      @@peteryeter892 that’s the Narrative I was talking about. It shouldn’t matter what Nightwing thinks or says. Because you know there’s stories where he’s lost to something he shouldn’t have, or beat someone he shouldn’t have. Just recently he lost an altercation against blockbuster, even though he’s beaten blockbuster in many stories. That’s why Feats are a better way to judge if someone can win in a fight. Jason and deathstroke have weaponry that if connected to dick would kill him, that’s not a opinion it’s a fact. If shot in the head dicks dead, if heads cut off dick is dead. In the fights with dick and Jason has Jason ever landed a single hit on dick? Has he landed several hits? If so than those all could have been time where Jason killed dick. The narrative of the story is what decides who when in a “story”, but not who would most likely when in any given potential fight they could have against each other. Look passed the narrative to what could happen. Be honest Peter, if Jason or deathstroke tried to actually kill dick with no narrative deciding dick wins, does dick win sheerly out of his stats and abilities the majority of the time?

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +3

      @@ajjackson100 yep

    • @ajjackson100
      @ajjackson100 2 года назад +1

      @@CRISIS_COMICS m.ruclips.net/user/shortsANAKDTUogTE
      All I’m saying

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +8

      Funny TikTok. In the canon tho, “normal humans” in DC can dodge bullets and lasers pretty regularly.

  • @ObaREX
    @ObaREX 2 года назад +16

    Anyway what makes this match up so compelling is how personal it is. There is a lot of baggage to unpack between these two. Like Bruce, Dick sees Jason as someone he let down. But he also has the added guilt of originally not being all that nice to him. Being jealous even. Wishing he was a better big brother, but still pretty annoyed with him.
    On the flipside, Jason sees Dick as the embodiment of his inadequacies. The golden boy everyone compared him to. There's a reason, Post-Crisis Jason tried harder to kill Grayson than anyone else.
    Best rivalry in comics if you ask me. Other than Cyclops and Wolverine, of course.

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад +2

      😮😢By killing Grayson he’d kill the embodiment of his insecurities oof…

  • @Cj_nyc88
    @Cj_nyc88 7 месяцев назад

    Your broad thinking and seeing the BIG picture is truly refreshing.

  • @joshjones7718
    @joshjones7718 2 года назад +13

    That issue of Task Force Z where Jason breaks Tim’s nose was hilarious!
    The whole fight was funny to be honest.

  • @realizedpotential6640
    @realizedpotential6640 2 года назад +16

    Could go either way but I feel like Nightwing typically has an edge, at one point he got on Batman's lvl. He may have/or has the potential to surpass Batman too but his immense respect for his father/teacher figure is a mental restraint on him if he were to fight him, while Red Hood can put up a fight against Batman but usually gets utterly outclassed if Batman puts aside their past relationship and gets 100% serious

  • @xavierhugo9269
    @xavierhugo9269 2 года назад +30

    Lol I love how you actually read the comment section, and consider what has been said and address it usually in some way, shape, or form honestly I chuckled abit when you brought up the vampire comic story, which I mentioned in a prior comment of mine and you shot it down immediatly tbh I completely agree on not including those those kinda story lines and just focus on the main continuity.
    Keep up the good work,I'm really enjoying this kinda content

  • @mollieh4426
    @mollieh4426 Год назад +2

    Really good video, the sound effects for the fights made it even better! I loved all the research you did!

  • @falcongamingproductions9938
    @falcongamingproductions9938 2 года назад +18

    I kinda feel like red hood gets bullied by the writers sometimes 😂

  • @MyNameBeeKayy
    @MyNameBeeKayy 11 месяцев назад

    Content like yours keeps me in the loop as a millennial who read the early comics but clearly is out of the loop. 😂😅 Don't stop doing what you do, and major props for the research and references that we didn't know we needed, but absolutely did. Thank you!

  • @adamdouce353
    @adamdouce353 2 года назад +18

    I feel like Jason's hood is inconsistent. It can stop a bullet or knife but won't stop a stick and can be shattered by a punch

    • @xpressjustice542
      @xpressjustice542 2 года назад

      I’m not a gear specialist or whatever but maybe it’s ballistic armoured ect. But not as much shock proof?

    • @Jason_H_Martitinez
      @Jason_H_Martitinez 2 года назад

      @@xpressjustice542 so it isn't armored? A bullet or a knife creates more shock than a punch 💀

    • @xpressjustice542
      @xpressjustice542 2 года назад

      @@Jason_H_Martitinez no what I mean is that a punch has a lot more surface area than a bullet

    • @Jason_H_Martitinez
      @Jason_H_Martitinez 2 года назад

      @@xpressjustice542 and? A punch isn't stronger than a bullet.
      Like you said before, you're nit a gear specialist. A pinch will never be able to cause more damage than a bullet or a knife, and if a punch can destroy a bulletproof helmet, it isn't bulletproof at all

    • @xpressjustice542
      @xpressjustice542 2 года назад

      @@Jason_H_Martitinez maybe, maybe not I guess it’s left up to the professionals which I am not.

  • @Nightwing727
    @Nightwing727 2 года назад +7

    Great video! I’m glad someone is finally giving Nightwing some credit.

  • @alijahlogan8554
    @alijahlogan8554 2 года назад +65

    Nightwing gives Red Hood that older brother beatdown. I would love to see Red Hood get some wins on Nigthwing, and develop a rivalry similar to Leo and Raph from TMNT. I mean they already do have that rivalry but it feels very one sided in Nightwing's favor. It would be cool to see Red Hood catch up to Nightwing, just like how Nightwing caught up to Batman.

    • @dixonb.tweenerlegs4225
      @dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 2 года назад +21

      It's more like Goku vs Vegeta with how ahead Nightwing is

    • @alijahlogan8554
      @alijahlogan8554 2 года назад +8

      @@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 That's true but I thought of Leo and Raph more cause of the color difference and the brother thing

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад +5

      @@alijahlogan8554 Leo wins like 90% of the time still though…

    • @y.v.n.gvidsstuff1057
      @y.v.n.gvidsstuff1057 2 года назад +4

      @@Artryom nope in comics it tied

    • @Dandoskyballer
      @Dandoskyballer 2 года назад +1

      If Red Hood caught up, Nightwing would be dead. Kinda his thing.

  • @srtlowe2165
    @srtlowe2165 2 года назад +4

    Really enjoyed this video and appreciate the research that went into it!

  • @FunNHonesty
    @FunNHonesty 2 года назад +32

    We all know Nightwing would win. No one would question that lol. Amazing video regardless

    • @Kezexclusive
      @Kezexclusive 2 года назад +6

      The problem is we don’t.. it depends on the scenario

    • @107Pedro
      @107Pedro 2 года назад +6

      I mean he already has, jason was going all out in battle for the cowl, he lost

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад +6

      @@Kezexclusive Unless Grayson is basically disabled and can’t move any of his limbs, then Jason wins, his only 1/10 chance

    • @Kezexclusive
      @Kezexclusive 2 года назад +1

      @@Artryom well now ur just being weird

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад +2

      @@Kezexclusive Ehhh... We're all are to be honest. Like you with that comment above.

  • @joseRodriguez-lm3bk
    @joseRodriguez-lm3bk 2 года назад +11

    You forgot the most important piece of info that will tip the scale no matter what. Nightwing is considered good and Jason for the most part "evil"; we know that "good" always gets the upper hand. The gg case is closed, if it was reversed we would see the same thing.

    • @dixonb.tweenerlegs4225
      @dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 2 года назад +6

      Jason isn't anywhere close to evil? If he was, he wouldn't be apart of the Batfamily. Maybe when he first came back, he was villain material, but not now. That was a long time ago.

  • @ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated
    @ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated 8 месяцев назад

    Never thought I would need a video like this, but I’m glad I received it.

  • @footballaesthetics11
    @footballaesthetics11 2 года назад +22

    Amazing video with so much work and passion but never understood why DC always made Jason way more inferior to Dick and Bruce in pure hand to hand combat.

    • @xavierhugo9269
      @xavierhugo9269 2 года назад +3

      I suppose it's just to further his charecter,from what I believe or think(just my opinion and is subject to change) he is supposed to be the failure the one that never will be as good as the others from what I see dick is supposed to be the better batman what batman should have been but never will be, tim is supposed to the strategist,the genius, the prodigy is some sence he is supposed to be the smarter one the guy to think out situations like no one else can and Damian is despite me not liking it is the hier to cowl sure dick would be by far the better pick but dick doesnt wanna be batman but the way they are developing damin and his story is to try turn him into batman the one to actually take Bruce's place in some way most of them are either better versions or successors to bruce one way or another but jason is supposed to be the odd one out he isnt supposed to be better he is supposed to be the tragedy to kinda symbolize what tragedy can do to someone but in a way his story shows perseverance by him still choosing to do what's right in his mind regardless of the what the others say he is supposed to be the guy that resembles alot of us the guy that doesnt get the recognition from.the others the guy is never good enough despite how hard he tries but he still tries anyway I feel those elements and his drip is the reason why so many people like him cause he is a tragic character we can relate to

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom 2 года назад +13

      I like to think maybe it’s cuz he relies on dirty and underhanded and mostly lethal tactics and gadgets too often to beat them when they’re able to get up close and personal with him similar to KGBeast and Nightwing, the usage of guns and moves to kill and his own inferiority complex holds him back from being truly on par similar to the scene in this video where he admits he’d never be able to beat Batman fairly. Also, Nightwing and Batman are no strangers to UNFAIR fights so that negates his only advantage.

    • @xavierhugo9269
      @xavierhugo9269 2 года назад +1

      @@Artryom hmm fair enough I'd say that's pretty reasonable

  • @Bluejay2k23
    @Bluejay2k23 2 года назад +14

    Glad you made this video, people always seemed to find it laughable or that I was dumb when I tried to say nightwing would beat redhood. Great video and analysis!

  • @spoiler_cc7348
    @spoiler_cc7348 2 года назад +17

    I would really like to see red hood get some respect when it comes to Nightwing or other people he fights. Would love to see him become one the best fighters alongside Nightwing and Batman

    • @dickhardpicard
      @dickhardpicard 2 года назад +2

      I like to see him train damian wayne...both are savage asf...just imagine batman said" train him better than I trained you. 🤯

  • @scotthardie9970
    @scotthardie9970 2 года назад +49

    I’ve always said that Nightwing solos all members of the Bat-Family, his patience and level of intelligence is unmatched in comparison to the rest except for maybe Barbara. Nightwing easily wipes Jason, Tim, Damien, and Barbara is a little harder but he wins… aside from Cassandra she wipes everyone.

    • @Ib-sq4fn
      @Ib-sq4fn Год назад

      Tim is smarter

    • @scotthardie9970
      @scotthardie9970 Год назад +1

      @@Ib-sq4fn Yea Tim’s technology skills are smarter, but not combat or efficiency

  • @ShadowFireZZX
    @ShadowFireZZX Год назад +16

    I feel like the authors have favorites and it’s shown tbh like lots more people like nightwing more then red hood so they write stories which gives these heroes more feats so yeah dick wins but I feel it has a lot to do with author favoritism

    • @WWMK05
      @WWMK05 Год назад +2

      I agree

    • @ihatenagi
      @ihatenagi Год назад +2

      Not really nightwing is just shown stronger in damn near every comic

    • @user-lp8im7ow8s
      @user-lp8im7ow8s 8 месяцев назад

      That's the same for every character in fiction, the famous one is more likely the strongest

    • @sunkitti8944
      @sunkitti8944 6 месяцев назад

      Cough cough, Jim Starlin, cough cough
      He literally filled an entire suggestion box with Jason’s name to get him killed off with AIDS, it only didn’t go through because they realized all the handwriting was the same, and yet they let this man continue writing Jason. No wonder we got Death in the Family.

  • @daniel30855
    @daniel30855 2 года назад +55

    Nightwing if you really think about it.

    • @Shrimpstan
      @Shrimpstan 2 года назад +19

      not even if you really think about it,considering nightwing is the only person in the batfamily besides like cass who could actually fight batman and have a chance at winning,its him no question

    • @Aakash-tg1uk
      @Aakash-tg1uk 2 года назад +10

      @@SPDRM he won against batman, did u even see the video??

    • @Kezexclusive
      @Kezexclusive 2 года назад +3

      @@SPDRM my knowledge is that they’ll most likely draw. But i feel like Jason would have the upper hand until his ruined mentality kicks in which would lead to nightwing winning but if Jason can remain calm I’d say he’d win or draw

    • @Kezexclusive
      @Kezexclusive 2 года назад

      @@SPDRM also if u look at it like this, nightwings lost to Damien Wayne before in sparring and red hood absolutely smoked Damien Wayne

    • @107Pedro
      @107Pedro 2 года назад +7

      @@Kezexclusive Battle for the cowl, they fight, Jason goes all out for his dream of being batman, he loses

  • @cinemamadness6920
    @cinemamadness6920 Год назад +10

    In the Red Hood movie it felt like Jason was easily better than Dick and was closer to being a match for Batman. It's just a movie, but still

  • @NonAryanDuck
    @NonAryanDuck Год назад +2

    The existential dread of having to say "Dickey boy" is hilarious

  • @joeker5208
    @joeker5208 5 месяцев назад +3

    “Crisis lists off several feats and scaling chains that deductively conclude that Nightwing would more than likely beat Jason”
    Some Random Om Reddit: Yeah, but Jason uses guns. Ergo, he wins🤓

  • @aradgouklani2239
    @aradgouklani2239 8 месяцев назад

    wow.
    you did at least 3 times the amount of research i thought you would do (first time viewer)
    great job dude.

  • @Ludee27
    @Ludee27 Год назад +3

    Extremely well put video, it's great to see all these feats and statements over all the years laid out in an easy to understand chronological order

  • @ericmata3728
    @ericmata3728 2 года назад +2

    The detail and editing is top tier. New sub

  • @pinstripe4254
    @pinstripe4254 Год назад +8

    I think Redhood augments his abilities to a greater degree with his tools. Whether they be guns, a crowbar, a knife, or whatever is around.
    Meanwhile Dick trains his abilities more than anything as he basically only uses what amount to two bars of metal

    • @jico5147
      @jico5147 8 месяцев назад

      nightwing has training with multiple weapons (including guns in a majority) and has talon training on top of that so it’s not far fetched to say he can use multiple weapons.

  • @pepita2437
    @pepita2437 2 года назад +66

    Cool, detailed video. :) I was curious how Rebirth Jason would square up against Dick.
    But there is no way Dick being physically stronger than Jason. Jason is heavier, according to canon, by at lest 50 pounds, and taller, and have more muscle mass. The writing is inconsistent, but from some of the Red Hood comics, it seems like the Lazarus Pit enchanced Jason's strength, and regenerative abilities. Only slightly, but it still counts.

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +19

      Not sure if that checks out considering the feats

    • @hugejackedman3447
      @hugejackedman3447 2 года назад +12

      Size and strength don't always go hand in hand. Small guys in Dagestan wrestle bears for fun! 😂

    • @spoodurmin9742
      @spoodurmin9742 2 года назад +16

      @@hugejackedman3447 Size and Strength absolutely do go hand-in-hand. Taller + Heavier = Stronger. That doesn't mean you can't be strong while being leaner/shorter though, but your strength isn't gonna have the same potential as someone who is taller/bigger.

    • @hugejackedman3447
      @hugejackedman3447 2 года назад +2

      @@spoodurmin9742 Nah nah my ninja. I personally know guys 170lbs that can deadlift 600lbs and I am 200lbs and can only lift 315lbs which is pretty low given my weight. 52 year old woman that has a record bench press of 500+ (with a shirt) and I can only do 225 (raw) Granted the old lady is a pro but still she's barely 5'5" and cant be more than 165lbs So don't hand me that nonsense! 🤣 Sure size and strenght CAN go hand in hand but don't say it's "absolute". It greatly varies depending on the person.
      Better example? Gymnasts are muscular but not very big and are scientifically proven stronger than pro bodybuilders.

    • @spoodurmin9742
      @spoodurmin9742 2 года назад +13

      @@hugejackedman3447 Where did I say you can't be strong while being small/lean? All I said is that being taller and bigger gives you more potential for strength, which is a proven fact. Also why are you comparing Gymnasts to Bodybuilders lmfao? They follow completely different training plans. This is how I know you're saying nonsense.

  • @Better_Call_Bulba-Saur
    @Better_Call_Bulba-Saur 8 месяцев назад +4

    Comics logic, Nightwing dominates. The only way Redhood could win is if a writer really really liked him and the story really really needed it to happen, even without plot armor, Nightwing is just that good. Real world logic though, worlds best acrobat with electric sticks vs competent hitman with guns and a helmet, no contest whatsoever. They don't have a big enough skill gap to overcome guns and a helmet.

  • @invictus6176
    @invictus6176 2 года назад +18

    lets look at Current versions.
    Red Hood was able to beat a weakened Deathstroke by getting the drop on him.
    Nightwing while severally injured was able to defeat an amped Deathstroke who even while at base was previously at the peak of his power.

    • @Dat_Doggo
      @Dat_Doggo Год назад

      Yep at the end of the day Dick is the best Combatant in the bat family, While Jason is the best at Battle Tactician in the in the bat family.

    • @invictus6176
      @invictus6176 Год назад

      @@UndefeatedDeathDebunkedYou You have yet to prove otherwise just wanking Jason so unbelievably high despite the fact he’s lost way worse than Slade has

    • @invictus6176
      @invictus6176 Год назад

      @@Dat_Doggo even then you can argue Dicks better just off his own contingency plans for the Titans but yeah I’d agree Jason’s better

  • @Roran109
    @Roran109 2 года назад +4

    Even as a frothing mad Jason Todd fan, I agree with almost everything in this video. If anything, I think it makes Jason that much more compelling, more of an underdog.

  • @king.deandre
    @king.deandre Год назад +1

    Your editing is amazing you got skills man

  • @thetortoise5980
    @thetortoise5980 2 года назад +4

    Top tier editing my guy also goated af vid

  • @egg3228
    @egg3228 8 месяцев назад +1

    Nightwing and Red Hood discussion has the same energy to me as Vergil and Dante from Devil May Cry a rivalry of red and blue brothers 😅

  • @D-tail
    @D-tail 2 года назад +4

    DC is so unbelievably convoluted that to me it's difficult to come up with a legitimate answer without some sort of writing inconsistencies or contradictions. The only way I'd 100% stand behind a victor in terms of a fight between these two is if it was to happen now. No bullshit, just a drawn out fight between the two utilizing everything they have to offer. Jason has a lot under his belt that unfortunately is never written into anything, but Dick has a lot under his belt too. I wrote a prior comment but changed my mind, I used the Vamp storyline even though it is not in canon. With that being said, I still feel like it shows Jason's potential as a combatant assuming every event in that story up until his death was the same/similar to the canon Earth. Meaning that he would be fully capable of beating Dick considering that's what he did in that issue. Though, as you said it is not canon. Mostly shows his characters potential if he is handled correctly.

    • @gutsinbadanimation2351
      @gutsinbadanimation2351 2 года назад +2

      i'm pretty sure Grayson was holding back in the vamp series, there was no reason for him to take out Jason if he was trying to recruit him. vampire Nightwing has enhanced supernatural abilities and could've punt kicked Jason into the ocean if he wanted

    • @D-tail
      @D-tail 2 года назад +1

      @@gutsinbadanimation2351 That's a fair point, but it's not like we've never seen humans beat physically superior beings before

  • @jeriah4k218
    @jeriah4k218 2 года назад +1

    I love the beats this man puts on these videos

  • @LuckyLex_
    @LuckyLex_ 2 года назад +8

    Great video.
    Grayson supremacy!

  • @nanayeboah8961
    @nanayeboah8961 2 года назад +1

    YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS YOUR THE GOAT BRO

  • @jakedead3ye532
    @jakedead3ye532 Год назад +5

    It all comes down to speed and agility vs strength and brutality. And of course whoever is the writer of the comic. Dick has the experience and the better feats but that can be directly linked to Jason being killed off in the 80’s. After all Dick is one year younger than Batman himself in terms of publication. Jason is my favorite robin so it’s hard not to be biased but in a fair or even slightly unfair fight in Jason’s favor, Dick probably still wins. That being said I don’t think it would be an easy fight and I’d still root for Jason to win by a miracle. There’s only so many times I can bear to watch his character get bullied before I say enough and don’t care anymore.

  • @Picmanreborn
    @Picmanreborn 2 года назад +3

    Nice. Now do a match between penguin and riddler in hand to hand combat LMFAO
    Edit: nice usage of the Radagon theme!!!!

  • @ghosttemplar6989
    @ghosttemplar6989 2 года назад +5

    Night wing is just a different monster compared to Red Hood, but I love Red Hood story better. Night wing is about as close to Batman than any of Batmans students.

  • @raph8065
    @raph8065 2 года назад +2

    Very detailed video, keep up the good work.

  • @Gwilherm
    @Gwilherm 2 года назад +17

    As a Red Hood fan, I have to agree that nightwing is a superior fighter

  • @tepache8673
    @tepache8673 10 месяцев назад +1

    finally, some respect on my boy grayson's name!!! an excellent analysis

  • @rexqt5337
    @rexqt5337 Год назад +5

    Dick grayson, the type of guy who dominates you in a fight and then asks you if you want to drink some lemon juice together after the fight

  • @kylegreen6545
    @kylegreen6545 2 года назад +2

    Can you imagine adopting 2 kids and you find a video that people made of who would win in a fight to the death between them

  • @colegillgrass3373
    @colegillgrass3373 Год назад +4

    I honestly depends on the comic, because their skill can very greatly. Both have been considered better combatants than batman in various comics. Such as Jason training with all the masters that Bruce trained under, and then some. While nightingale has had various times when he outpaced Bruce. Other times they are basically fodder.
    I personally favor Jason, almost entirely due to favoritism but ultimately due to one scene where he disables multiple or batman rouges gallery in only one move.

    • @user-lp8im7ow8s
      @user-lp8im7ow8s 8 месяцев назад

      Training with better fighters does not make you more skilled, in that case Kyle Reyners better than Batman

  • @quezkemoni4964
    @quezkemoni4964 2 года назад +9

    Nightwing got that dog in em

  • @tvman250
    @tvman250 2 года назад +3

    Richard is one of, if not, the only people in DC who has beaten Batman in FAIR 1v1. I don’t see this battle going any other way.

  • @Sevness
    @Sevness 11 месяцев назад

    This is a pretty good video, and plays out like I would expect. I think Red Hood using guns, even with all of his training, is why he is at a disadvantage, it's easy to kill a person, more so people who can't fight back as well, he never needed to learn to dodge attacks, or redirect them. It's harder to take them down non-lethally, the restraint needed, to do it, even when pissed off, goes a long way. Jason's rage, his angle, leaves him open, vulnerable, because I think he is also conflicted deep down, a desire to see the world burn, "evils" punished, but also a desire to fit in, to be accepted by his "family" he is part of, so he does always hold back, on some level.
    Plus I am sure all the greivious bodily harm he has suffered, as well as the physical, mental, and emotional trauma of his death really doesn't help.

  • @CommanderShepard-wq3wo
    @CommanderShepard-wq3wo 2 года назад +33

    Personally, I’ve always liked Red Hood more than Nightwing. But it’s clear Nightwing would win 7/10 in a all out fight

  • @krashstar
    @krashstar 2 года назад +1

    Great video bro. You know where you taking your info 🔥

  • @rmc6335
    @rmc6335 Год назад

    Great video! Im glad that you showed the comics where the battles occurred instead of just saying stuff without any evidence.

  • @ChasingRyou
    @ChasingRyou 2 года назад +4

    Nightwing is arguably better than Batman. There’s a reason he’s Batman’s greatest success

    • @dickhardpicard
      @dickhardpicard 2 года назад +1

      I agree..still waiting for dc to give damian an evolution in age...13-20 yrs old completing his Robin years...the assassin training wit batmans discipline. Genius iq with computer and detective skills....even bruce have to tell him chill don't be savage.. 🤣

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +1

      @@dickhardpicard Future Damian admits he’s not as good as Bruce or Dick

  • @thequinn8737
    @thequinn8737 2 года назад +1

    Great vid fam 🤟🏽. Loved it 🔥

  • @ImaginaryNate
    @ImaginaryNate 2 года назад +3

    Wow, you really discredit every good thing Jason does in this video.

  • @cloudabc123
    @cloudabc123 Год назад

    This was a well informed video good job.

  • @status7505
    @status7505 Год назад +4

    I pray my man Jason gets a solid win in the future 🙏

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  Год назад

      gross

    • @Not_Jojo815
      @Not_Jojo815 Год назад +1

      @@CRISIS_COMICS Why is that Gross,Jason does deserve his respect

    • @WWMK05
      @WWMK05 Год назад +2

      I hope he does too but I highly doubt it 😢

  • @mooseheadbear1775
    @mooseheadbear1775 Год назад +1

    Redhood is the answer heard given "with prep time.."
    Tim Drake is the intellect that Bruce is. Nightwing is the spirit that the BATMAN is.
    Looking forward to reading Super Sons.

  • @Slapback20
    @Slapback20 2 года назад +4

    I agree that nightwing wins these fights, but it does seem very one sided, but I can understand why at the same time, though it seems like the writers are always holding Jason back like I have a feeling he’s more skilled than he thinks, for example Jason always thinks he can beaten and when he does beat someone skilled the foe is either injured or flawed

  • @status7505
    @status7505 Год назад

    This video reminds me how much I love comics and the batfamily in specific

  • @amyaurion
    @amyaurion 2 года назад +13

    I'm a Jason Stan but even I know Dick takes him if both are going for the kill. Dick would easily be the most terrifying villain if he felt like it.

    • @dickhardpicard
      @dickhardpicard 2 года назад

      Idk..I think damian Wayne age 21-45 would be a major problem 😂

  • @SpaceHov
    @SpaceHov 11 месяцев назад

    11:37 In Battle for the cowl, i read it as its less Nightwing holding back while fighting in terms of strength or skill (the last kick is a different matter since it nearly full sent him off), but rather he's trying not to let Jason's goading get to him, to not lose control and become angry but sloppier. He needed to keep control to fight Jason off and still attempt to get the info he needs to save Tim as well, some good heroing

  • @torture6938
    @torture6938 2 года назад +6

    Nightwing would smoke tf out of Red Hood lmao

  • @Gatster0171
    @Gatster0171 8 месяцев назад +2

    Nightwings a fvcking beast.

  • @polpogiovanna6545
    @polpogiovanna6545 2 года назад +2

    Amazing video bro. Very analytical and thorough. I'll use this for any jason fanboys that come with the low iq arguments.

  • @gokura
    @gokura 2 года назад +5

    red hood needs a hyperbolic time chamber from dragon ball cause this man getting cooked

  • @HK-sg8wg
    @HK-sg8wg Год назад +1

    No doubt Nightwing Slaps Red Hood. I still like them both. Cool video.

  • @Cashmoneez
    @Cashmoneez 2 года назад +3

    Is this really a debate? Nightwing not only has beaten red hood he’s also deathstroke’s equal who is stronger than Jason. Dick is the best robin that’s just how his character is written. Jason vs Tim would be a much closer fight.

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +5

      @@azariahbenisrael600 And yet Dick's beaten both of them multiple times...

  • @pbwil
    @pbwil 2 года назад

    The Elden Ring music made some of these parts amazing

  • @braydenpage1808
    @braydenpage1808 2 года назад +4

    I love Red Hood's new suit. That grey and red suit looks awesome. I love the Gotham Knights Red Hood suit and this one reminds me of it. It looks like GK Red Hood took off the brown vest.

  • @mrpodslol
    @mrpodslol 2 года назад

    Great Video! I was just thinking the "Red vs Nightwing" debate since i've seen some poeple claim DC is pushing the idea that Jason is the stronger of the two, with their fight in task force Z and in the Dc Vampire stuff, where Jason says he's a better fighter.

    • @CRISIS_COMICS
      @CRISIS_COMICS  2 года назад +5

      Not canon, the writers even talked about the freedom of being in an Elseword. It's just as inconsequential as any other alt-universe. It was never intended to sway the interpretations surrounding main-continuity.

    • @mrpodslol
      @mrpodslol 2 года назад

      @@CRISIS_COMICS yep! Exactly what i say.

  • @billyboleson2830
    @billyboleson2830 2 года назад +7

    Red hood is the most overhyped DC character at the moment other Deathstroke. Kraven vs Ra’s Al Ghul I think would be a fire match up

    • @felixthewolf7147
      @felixthewolf7147 Год назад +3

      probably cause no one looks at red hood to do something new and actually show how strong jason actually is nightwing has been spoon fed since his conception

    • @GMP1isReal
      @GMP1isReal Год назад +2

      Jason is always over hyped because he's always made to look bad in any story he's in before post-Under the Red Hood. So weird how characters always seem more powerful and intimidating when they're a villain.