The Most Important Episode Of The Last Of Us Yet
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Venmar - I’m completely floored. Every time I sit down to watch The Last Of Us it gives me a completely different expereience and tonight was no different. Even though the first 2 episodes did a lot of stuff that is very faithful to the game, it was tonight’s episode that I really felt it. The bond between Joel and Ellie is The Last Of Us. That’s the whole game. Zombies, hunters, Fireflies, none of it is the actual game. Joel and Ellie are, and this was the first episode that made me feel like I was right there in that world because of it. What did you guys think?
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Kathleen’s performance fell flat for me overall.
I agree. It was the only downside to this episode. I just don't get, leader of a group of Hunters, vibes from her at all.
@@christiancallahan348 funny enough I didn’t like it but I understood it. She’s like an unhinged mother for the community. I do see them turning on her next episode
Why? Is it because she didn't look tough enough? I don't get it. I thought she felt like someone who used to be a good person but after the outbreak it forced her to become ruthless. I thought she sold it.
@@WallEWorld To me, her tone of voice was not believable. Felt stiff and unresponsive to the stressful and emotional situation that she has been put through.
agreed
The emotional impact is starting to develop between Joel and Ellie, it's so beautiful to see them bonding
For me the Jeans dad joke was the moment. It was the turning point for Joel.
After 20 years of just surviving, we saw the man from the start of Ep1, the guy who loved that his daughter constantly took the piss out of him.
From now in it's not a mission handed to him by Tess, then reinforced by Bill. It's real, it's about being a protector for someone he likes and will come to love.
I loved this episode. It was the closest to the game out of the 4. With fleshing out the Hunters, I can imagine all of their stuff happening off the screen when I'm playing that section of the game now.
I'm loving this show.
How that Kathleen character survived until now and even running an entire community baffles me. She made terrible decisions throughout the entire episode.
Yeah irl she would be ignored by the men.
Lots of people vote against their own interests in our world.
i made terrible decision my entire life. still, some doctors classificate me as alive. so there is a precedent in the real life.
In the podcast Neil and Craig Mazin said they wanted us wondering how the fuck she's in charge after last episode🤷♂️
@@manucr9183 no she wouldn't.
That's now how things work. You know how in high school? Girls can say ew to a boy and everyone looks and screams. You think having guns means you run? No you gotta be trusted and by the whole group
That's how you manage people
While not as exciting, this episode was still great. As someone who’s never played the games, I fell in love with Joel and Ellie this episode. I absolutely adore their relationship. That is clearly the heart of the show and I’m ok with them spending an episode mostly on that. And even though there was less action, I was still on edge the entire time. I feel like at any moment something could pop out at attack, and that makes for a really enjoyable experience. I think they’ve done a phenomenal job with this show
I get some people not really resonating with the Kathleen character, and I myself didn’t love her, but there’s something very interesting about this completely normal, not intimidating woman being the leader of whatever faction of people this is. So while maybe it doesn’t quite click as well as it could, I appreciate the angle they’re going with. It also makes them feel less like an oppressive faction and more like a community who wants to protect one another. And I think that has value
This is definitely a slower episode but as John says, it’s extremely important for the show to build off of. Not everything can be fast bang action; episodes like this are necessary. I feel like the next episode is gonna be a lot of action and it’s going to be really great.
Also I’m super fuckin excited to see that underground monster or whatever the hell it is
even in the apocalypse, Karens are still a problem.
I often wondered what would happen to Rose from Two and a Half men in a global apololypse.
The other episodes felt full filling , this still was an excellent episode, first time it felt more of a 2 parter, like next episode would full fill this particular part of the series
The Best Episode since episode 1. We got way more dialogue with Ellie and Joel. Which is the core of this story. Not unnecessary filler like episode 3.
This was the first episode I bought into Ellie
As somebody who didn’t play the game, I still feel like I kind of disagree it’s the most important. I feel episode one was much more important and how it not only came out for its quality but resonated with the audiences.
First thing I thought was hey it’s rose lol
Do you think anyone will call this episode review bombed since it has the same IMDB score as Episode 3?
If you look at the reviews, (on IMDB) the majority are an 8-10/10 and then sprinkled in from a 2-7 and then another huge spike at 1/10
Not nearly as bad as episode 3 but it’s very clear there’s review bombing, not as bad. No review bombing there would be a more even spread of scores
@@grumpyrock Yeah, I get ya. I’m just curious if people will start saying every episode is getting review bombed or if they’ll only say episode 3
@@big-fish1199 I’m sure episode 3 will have the most of the review bombs, every episode because of it will have some sort of reigned bombing but I don’t think subsequent episodes will have anything close to the amount episode 3 has and the further we stray from episode 3 the less there will be
@@big-fish1199 There will continue to be review bombing for the rest of the series on IMDb, to be honest. You gotta remember when it comes to these trolls who organize these review bombing campaigns, they're a bunch of warped randos with absolutely nothing to do with their time. They were probably ready en masse to bomb this episode as a retaliation to the previous episode because that's what trolls do. I can also almost guarantee they did so without watching it. Trolls review bomb for the most petty crap ever, remember how they bombed Godzilla vs. Kong because they were mad about the Snyderverse not being restored? Or how they review bombed The Godfather back in the day when The Dark Knight was coming out and they so desperately wanted it to be #1 on IMDb?
Ever feel like they have a hat full of taglines like "most heartfelt last of us episode" and "most exciting last of us episode yet" and they just choose at random. I liked this episode alot but It definitely felt like the whole point was for the show to play catch up with Joel and ellies relationship. I thought right from the start even when they weren't cool yet Joel and ellies relationship felt like it was growing. It seems like the show didn't really focus on that until this episode. One thing I didn't like was how they had that lady kill their only doctor. He's the only person who knows where Henry might be but then she gets so mad that Henry potentially killed three of her men that she kills their only lead. It made her seem like an angry little kid.
In some ways this felt like a filler episode to me…BUT this felt like a filler with nice character development. Interesting for them to introduce Kathleen and Perry. Still a great episode.
Totally agree about Bella.
That car had about as much screen time as the magazine Ellie found
Good episode. It is moving too slow for the amount of material that it still needs to go through with with how many episodes are left! Otherwise loving it.
It's not though. We're barely at the middle of the season. Getting to Tommy's is about the halfway point or a little more than halfway through the game. We're right on schedule. Remember, this is an adaptation. There's plenty of time left to tell the important story beats that are left to tell. We're not going to get the gameplay sections. Which, IMO, had even better Ellie and Joel moments than the cutscenes. 🤷🏾♂️
TLOU is about bond, if you think this episode is "boring" or "nothing happened" then you're just wrong, the episode did what it SUPPOSED to do just like the game, building their relationship slowly but surely so we see their dynamic, and they showed it.
This episode was all about congealing Joel's and Ellie's relationship. It was sweet and endearing, and that's because they kept peeling their layers and almost got to the core of their vulnerability. Almost, but you know it's coming. I enjoyed it the most so far. Mostly because, we got to see Joel/Ellie alone vs the world. And yes, that's essentially the game itself.
Episode was quick and over with little to nothing happening
The scene where he showed her how to use the gun properly. Subtle, but huge.
Best episode so far for me 👍
As for the laughing scene, I think this solidified for me how different this Joel and Ellie are. Which is fine, they're great together. They're A Joel and Ellie, and I'm willing to roll with that. But comparing it to the game ones, that laughing scene felt so out of character. Felt too soon for both of them, and Joel almost giggling just felt like Pedro. He's a very giggly guy. So I was seeing Pedro and it kind of took me out of it.
I think Craig Maizin is neglecting the action-y side of things a bit too much as well. In the after show last week one of you guys said that the casual fans might not yet feel why Joel is such a big deal. He didn't impress too much in episode 2, and here he kills two guys with a rifle and them immediately is defeated physically by one guy. Even the punching scene in episode one was just like a feral PTSD style reaction. 4 episodes in, I fear Joel doesn't feel like this intimidating force that he should be, and I'm saddened by that. He should definitely still be human, him having a bad right ear is interesting, but I think too much of a crutch so far in the show when he hasn't really impressed physically in almost any way :/ I hope next episode they let Joel cook.
I thought this episode was another solid B overall. I am sensing a pattern (at least for me) in which the odd numbered episodes of the show (the premiere and episode 3) were A-grade episodes, whereas the even numbered ones (episode 2 and this episode) were a step-down, but still solid.
I think the magazine gag was better delivered in the game, to be perfectly honest. As much as I overall love the show, I do feel the stuff they pull verbatim from the game was better delivered and executed, though to be fair, that may very be because there's the animation vs. live-action push and pull aspect (yes, I said animation, it's based on a video game, and video games are animation at their core) in which the delivery had to be more subtle to suit live-action.
That being said, it's still high quality television. The highlight of this episode for me was the last interaction between Joel and Ellie at the end when she made him laugh at the bad diarrhea pun. I will stick through this series until the end!
The acting from the female leader of the rebels did not hit at all for me. Just seemed a bit awkward and non-imposing. Like really this is the person that's leading you all? Lol. But overall wasn't a bad episode but probably my least favorite so far. Regardless show is amazing imo.
Ramsey was great! Thx for the discussion
Missouri* not Kansas
Kathleen is the girl from 2 and a Half Men for me, and I can't get that out of my head. It really devalues her character for me lol I just keep thinking of her as the Charlie Sheen simp that she is in that show. I can't not associate that voice with that role.
I watched a lot of late night TV after high school and they would play two episodes of that each night ugh
That's a fault of the audience, not the actress. I felt kind of the same way, but to be fair, her character wasn't used all that much. Maybe she will surprise us in the next episode, the Rose from Two and a Half Men thing aside, I am intrigued with where they're going with her.
But I do somewhat agree, she should have done something like attempt speaking at a lower and deeper register, just to try and create some extra distance between those two performances. I doubt people who have never seen Two and a Half Men will have that same problem, though.
I actually only knew her from Yellowjackets, and liked her in that!
Not Kansas. Missouri.
Episode was a lil boring and this mustve been the shortest episode
I thought the episode was great. I selfishly wanted more though. When I saw it was 45 minutes, I was left unsatisfied in the end. At least the next episode drops Friday. 😂👏🏼
Good episode, better than 3 as it progressed the story but more importantly the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Loved that they both laughed together at the end at the bad joke.
This was probably the weakest episode by far. Still good but also the length really didnt allow new characters and moments to breath more. Felt a little rushed, not fleshed out. Solid 7.5/10
Great episode. Got us back on track.. better than episode 3.
This episode was okay
I love both of the games, but the amount of love this show has been receiving is completely baffling to me. It's all subjective, but I find it consistently underwhelming and this episode was no different. Melanie Lynskey's performance was truly terrible.
it was ok
Are the clickers & co as rare in the game? I expected a much faster paced show. I'm all for character moments, world building and stuff like that, really liked Andor for example, but I thought we'd get a bit more "monster" action
I wouldn't say rare cuz there's a lot of open world to explore and collect supplies but yeah there are a lot more enemies in the game than the show they skipped over a good handful of action which my only negative for the show like for example episode 3 they should have Joel and Bill blasting infected left and right
@@sucka4life795 damn, that's too bad, it's well made, pretty good acting, but it's lacking some spice for sure
@@sucka4life795 Game mechanics never translate to narrative all that well, which is part of the reason that video games have had a poor track record of being adapted into film or television for the longest time before now.
Also, if you use the Infected too much, you rob them of their effectiveness. Remember how they introduced the first Bloater in the game? Memorable, yes, but after they kept using them later on, they became a case of diminishing returns in terms of effectiveness, but that made sense, because it was a video game. It had to share its storytelling with gameplay.
For a television audience, on the other hand? It makes sense to use the Infected sparingly. If they used them all the time I massive combat against hordes scene, then the show would run into a trap of diminishing returns in terms of overall effectiveness.
Also remember, what set The Last of Us as an IP apart from the other zombie media is the focus on the relationships of the people and how dicey of an idea to hold relationships in this world is. Why do you think the title of the property is The Last of Us? In that title, "Us" refers to relationships as a concept.
@@andrewoldham3675 dude I'm not saying that they need to copy and paste from the game I get it they are trying to make it more realistic and somethings need to change but fans love the action just as much as the story in the game but come on they skipped Joel's encounter with Robert and his men, the fight on the dam, the first playable encounter with the infected then Joel only had to kill 1 guy to escape the qz and that's just episode 1. if they had added 1 or 2 more action scenes it would been a perfect balance even in episode 3 arguably the best episode so far and they still had Robert's traps do most of the killing
So I think this was the weakest episode because in a 45 min run time didn’t feel like anything happen plot wise. Joel and Ellie wise I absolutely agree this is important but with 5 episodes left I don’t think they can finish the first game. Even before seeing this episode I thought these next ones have to be 1+ hours to make sure we get there
They absolutely can, episode 5 will finish off things with Henry and Sam, episode 6 will be Joel and Tommy in Jackson and his injury in the university, episode 7 will be left behind. Episode 8 will be winter and 9 is the finale
Nothing happened? Jesus....
@@garrymadigan646 Been kind of woried about the pacing. Hopefully with the structure you layed out it gives all of the story and emotinal beats time to breath. But in compared to summer, they are really deciding to condense entire chapters down to one episode. I really enjoyed the game and hope they do it well, since they are nailing it so far.
IMO, this was the weakest episode yet. Still great, Pascal and Ramsey were great as always but I'm sorry, you could not pay me to care about Kathleen.
@@erickniebla4147 There was a ton of set up here but there also wasn't enough pay off to really keep me interested in her story.
I agree but it’s because this episode felt like it was part 1 of a 2 part episode. Every episode so far felt like a complete story whereas this ended in a cliffhanger with no real resolution other than tune in next week to know what happens next.
I agree it’s the weakest episode so far. Just a 9/10 from me, when all the other episodes have been 10/10. I love how the Joel and Ellie dynamic has changed though.
Hard to compete with ep3
Episode 2 wast the weakest for me.
Series started strong, but has been demoted from appointment TV to “I’ll binge it after the season wraps”.
Can you get over episode 3?
NO
Yeah it was so MID !! Nothing happened in 70 min!
Only good to prove the actors are amazing. They carried it. But mid
Least favorite episode and a little worried about the changes made to Sam's character seem unnecessary. Also J&E sometimes give super flat line deliveries like they are reading it off a queue card with no emotion to it, especially thought about this in the Truck with the Magazine in contrast to the games voice actors.
1st and 2nd episodes were pretty good but the 3rd and 4th were kinda boring. I was hoping this first season was on par or better than the first season of the Walking Dead. So far it is not. Here’s to hoping it picks up with episode 5 and forward.
Episode 3 was completely pointless to the main story. What happened that was important to either Joel or Ellie? I’m sorry, and no this isn’t me being a homophobe, but it was a bad episode. I would say the same thing and most other people would finally agree then, if it was a straight man and woman love story. Just pointless
Based on the reviews I read, people who loved episode 3 hated episode 4 while people who hated episode 3 loved episode 4. I hope episode 5 and the rest of the show won't divide the fans just like episodes 1 and 2.
Yay, no gay rick roll…good job
Please leave, we don’t tolerate that crap here
Yay, no butt hurt conservatives…oh wait 😢
Are you tired of winning yet?
If you haven't played the game this episode was really dumb, they drive into a town and then they hide in a building, they havent portrayed joel as broken enough for him laughing to be a great scene, basically both the jokes ellie told were kind of funny, other than that i got nothing out of this episode, these two do not survive a trek across zombie apocalypse america, less realistic than superman, joel let his guard down in an extremely dangerous situation, in a zombie apocalypse you look over your shoulder every 2 seconds.
I find this episode to be lackluster; it doesn't progress the story and it doesn't have enough character development or character exploration (like the last episode) to be worthwhile. Furthermore, other post-apocalyptic shows, namely The Walking Dead, do a better job of depicting ragtag groups that engage in amoral behavior for survival.
This ain’t the Walking Dead, homie. And I’m sorry, strengthening the bond between the main characters absolutely helps move the story forward
@@SpaceJockey805 I agree.
Doesnt progress the story? Did you Watch the right ep? It progressed in every way, literally (Miles away), and emotionally, rethink How story telling Works Man, you might be missing something
This episode was like entirely character development, or more specifically, the development of a relationship between the two main characters, which is essential for the show
Episode 3 didn’t break it.
It made it!