The Full Frame Fuji: Viltrox 27mm f1.2 vs The Best Lens Ever Made
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2023
- We are reviewing the Viltrox 27mm f1.2 on the Fuji XS20 vs Sony A7S III and Voigtlander 35mm f1.2. Does Viltrox have that special look? The 3D pop microcontrast Zeiss Leica look? How's the autofocus and stabilization? Best lens for Fuji, budget prime lenses.
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Fuji skin tones are great, but it's the greens in the grass and leaves that just looks so good. Sony has them looking very yellow. One of the reasons I love shooting wildlife with Fuji.
For sure! But then look at the sky ... (I don't understand color science)
@@busydadscooking001 the Eterna film simulation (color profile) gives it that look. Many choose it for video. I'm with you though; I'm not sure I would choose that simulation.
@@busydadscooking001As a long time fuji user, I gave up on showing some details on skies. That’s probably the main weakness of APS-C. But color sciences plus skintones is what makes me stayed on this camera brand. It requires very little post processing to make it suitable for clients works.
Fuji just has more saturated colors out of camera, that's software processing not actual quality of the xtrans sensor (which is made by Sony btw, lol!). You can do the exact same thing with a Sony if you care to. It's not more accurate however.
@@busydadscooking001 tbh I too am not very happy with skies in Fuji, although I do love their colours on foliage and birds.
Kasey: Search your feelings - and these recent s-20 videos - and you will see how much happier you are when you are reviewing fuji cameras! LISTEN TO YOUR HEART - LET FUJI IN!
That XS20 slo mo was incredible in every way. Such a huge improvement over the XS10, I had one
I since switched to the Nikon Z8, but I had the Viltrox 75mm f/1.2 Pro for my X-H2 and I absolutely loved it.
Super sharp wide open, very solid build quality and (after the update) great autofocus. If that was a first party Fujinon, they'd charge at least 2x what Viltrox is charging. Viltrox is really killing it these days.
Why you switch? I have an X-HS2 and am testing out a Z7 and am finding the quality and reliability of the Nikon to be on another level. The false positive focusing thing on the Fuji is driving me nuts.
@@alexlindstrom9971 Autofocus. While although I also heard a lot of bad things about the Z7 and Z6 II, the Z8 and Z9 AF is just much better than that of the fuji. If there's a green box on my target, in 99% of cases it's in focus, even if it's quickly moving.
I use my Viltrox 75mm 1.2 on my Nikon Z8 and I totally love it ! It provides me 21MP portraits which is more than enough and it’s insanely sharp
Try the GFX 100 II for the most overkill toneh talking head videos. We want to see it.
That squirrel is a menace and you are in danger.
I’ve had this lens for a few weeks and one of the best things (besides the sharpness) is how close it focuses. Feels borderline macro compared to my other lenses.
Following since your Panasonic G-85 and mitokon 0.95 video.... Your channel and your humor is gold and your music slaps .
I actually find the wider depth of field on fuji an advantage since i do a lot of closeup/macro where it gets so narrow anything helps, for other stuff, not so much
The black squirrel of death.
I'm new to photography so please forgive my question about your comment but wouldn't close up photography be micro and not macro? Thanks for any clarifying help.
@enigma187munster It's about marking the micro into the macro, so both terms are actually applied. Nikon calls their macro lenses Micro-Nikkor, for instance, so there's that.
the fuji blows the sony away. the detail, color, and sharpness and slow motion look amazing. sony is good but not as good for sure.
Sony makes Fuji sensors wtf you talking about...
That zoom on the wiggly squirrel had me :'D
Thank you for this video !
i've used APS-C so much that when i use full frame i get really annoyed when i have to walk closer.. is there any hope for me at all?
question: which one to choose between fuji xf 35mm 1.4 or the viltrox 27mm 1.2
I was waiting faithfully for you to review this lens so I could finally use one of your coveted affiliate links. Yesterday, I ended up getting it based on a video from Xing and used his (link). This was my failure, not yours. When Viltrox makes a 13mm 1.2, I’ll wait and then pounce on your review.
You can get the pop back with a tweak of the contrast slider.
Yes, many lens elements reduce contrast, but as long as your camera isn't recording at ISO12800 there should be plenty enough color depth to boost the image in post without banding.
The equivalent aperture thing works a little better if the focal length is closer to equivalent, so obviously now you need the Voigtlander Nokton 40mm f/1.2 Aspherical
You are great, thanks for the video, hugs from Brazil.
Amazing how you got that butterfly to beat his wings in conjunction with the music. He did mess up after a few seconds though. It was a white butterfly.
The Fuji X-S20 is where it's at for a single camera that can do a bit of everything. I don't need another camera. This is my stop. The body buying stops with the Fuuuge. For now.
Colors were amazing on the people footage, what color profile did you use for those shots?
Classic Neg.
@@cameraconspiracies thanks!
Fujifilm seriously has me considering selling all my RF kit and getting into Fuji MF with a S-X20 as a video kit. Their APSC sensors have impressive performance numbers and are pretty much comparable to FF. If they ever run some deals or a used kit comes on the market I might do it!
from experience they're not even close to FF. They are better than any other aps-c tho (maybe except for the C70)
@@ChrisThe1 I guess they might be better than ff cameras in the same price point.
The performance is typical for APS. 1 stop inferior in terms of ISOs but with a great compromise in chroma texture compared to any other camera due to heavy chroma noise reduction as part of the image development algorithm.
@@IliasKoureas tough to compare since FF tend to be more expensive and require more expensive lenses. The X-T5 is $1500, at that price point you can only really get an R8. That does have a better image but the lenses make it more expensive than the fuji.
Unless you're a working pro don't be so hung up on ff comparison, I use both and the difference in general photography is negligible to anyone but camera nerds tbh.
I just ordered the Viltrox, but I prefer the CV 35mm f/1.2
That squirrel is scary!
If you have loads of time and love editing in post then sure, the FF Sony can give you an edge due to it being FF, but if you want the best image quality for the least time spend then Fuji nails it hands down.
The SOC images are wonderful from the Fuji. I almost never have to resort to RAW and can rely on Fuji’s rendering to produce a image that I describe as having ‘realness’.
Most of the Images and video from camera’s like Sony etc all feel digitally ‘fake’ to me. Unless there was heavy processing involved it’s like watching a bad B-movie from the early days of digital camera’s.
Back to sandals instead of barefoot? Illegal in Canada? Moms death gripping their children's hands as the camera uncle walks by! LOL! That X-S20 did a nice job. It's a nice little camera as a photography/videography/vlogging combo. The focus transition was really nice and smooth with this lens. Pretty cool. Thanks for the review. Have a great day!
That photo montage was great!!!
If you can get a hold of one of Light Lens Labs's lenses, tell us if it gives the 3D pop we crave.
Also Fujifilm's grass rendition is less yellow than Sony's. Sort of like their older negative films with the extra cyan layer (guess they meant it about classic neg).
Nikon Zf has dedicated color and monochrome buttons plus 1080 /120p can’t wait to see you shoot with this technological marvel! can’t handle it
Is there any lens for Fuji with that kind of 3d pop, as Sony with voigtlander ?
Thank you for the video . I want to ask. The music used 7,10 / 9:15 . Can you tell which music. Can ı find it?
It's not released yet, all my music is here vegetablepolice.bandcamp.com/
@@cameraconspiracieswhen it will release?. And can I buy and use for my youtube video?
I'm having the worst time trying to get decent colors out of my Sony, I've tried everything Leeming LUTS, Phantom Luts (Arri conversion), all kinds of Slog-3 conversion LUTS, etc. There's also tons of conflicting information out there about exposure for Slog-3. Expose normally, overexpose 1.7-2 stops. It's driving me crazy!
Buy a colour chart, borrow a friend's Canon camera, match them, and move on :)
@@cameraconspiracies LOL, that comment made me both laugh, and like my Canon a tiny bit more. I also just realized that for some reason I've been busy fondling my Canon and my Panasonic gear so much lately that my Nikon and Sony aren't even within reach, I'd have to move my butt to get to them, not just that, they have stuff piled on top of them. I suppose that means something. I shall use that as a reply the next time I get asked the eternally redundant "which camera is good?" instead of just mutely waving my Canon at them in lieu of a reply.
But, the important question really is: which camera do you take with you to the bathroom? Be honest - you do take one with you, don't you? It's the Fooj, isn't it?
The A7SIII in particular has quite greenish skin tones in SLog3 and isn't very pleasing out of camera with the manufacturer LUT. I've had good results with the AlexA7S Arri technical luts. They correct the innacurracies and have a more natural look. The comparison done by Indy Mogul comparing the A7SIII and Alexa Mini LF shows the differences perfectly. Like CameraConspiracies has already said, with 10 bit you can fix all these issues easily and achieve any look you want.
Hi Kasey, Shall I replace my A7C with the XS20? I do product photography, mainly watches. If yes what lens do you recommend? I started on A6600. The benefit I found on the A7c is the depth of field.
today i would get the A7C II because its worth the Upgrade they did on it. The only thing i hate is the viewfinder (useless). So i went with XS20 to stay compact and have the Fuji experience.
@@zerotonine807So do you miss the A7C or are you happy now with the XS20?
Is this song new? I like it
Still working on it :)
Editing was great on this one. Seems like he is more inspired lately or just having fun again.
How did you do the color thing!!!! Super interesting 🧐 sorry for my ignorance
If you're wide open at f/1.2, and focused, then decide stop down, have you found the focus to shift? It's almost like focus breathing.
Are you looking forward to the a7s3 software update?
Forget about this lens. I need your music. TODAY!
Does the Fujifilm XS20 also have film simulation for video?
Yes. All film sims can be used for photos and video.
slo mo looked so good
Hi...i'm so confused between getting x-s20 and sony a6700...im more of photography first, but would like to try video options to get best slo-mo (4k and Full hd) videos for my family occasions. Literally pondering every where to know which is best allrounder(lens, ecosystem, budget etc)..
if you care about SOOC and hate editing image => fuji, not always perfect but save a lot of time. If you want to edit the image to your liking or "personal" look => SONY, auto focus almost never miss but JPEG file is not as good as FUJI. Fuji have cheaper and lighter lens but less native lens + 3rd party lens since SONY use E-mount for both Fullframe and crop line up. Personally I still prefer FUJI for photos, I'm no pro and want to travel light with my camera
ok, but I'm waiting for the g9 ii, how are the leica 12-35, the 35-100 and the new 100-400?
Is this good content ?
You betcha ! says the dancing squirrel of doom at 8:04 😂
How many FPS you shoot on slow motion takes?
Great video!
That was all HD 240fps.
Slo-mo swaying squirrel is mesmerising.
Would you recommend this combo for a beginner who wants to get into photography?
This is a very decent starting point, but the Fujifilm 35/2 or Sigma 56/1.4 are usually my first recommendations for beginners.
Between Fuji and Viltrox lenses you've got the perfect crop sensor system in terms of glass, crazy thing is I still choose to shoot with the stinky old-tech FSI sensor on the Canon R7 just because it has the extra resolution and HDR-PQ HEIF support for super vivid images on an OLED TV.
(Yes, the R7 is sharper than the Fuji 40MP, I have no idea how Fuji does it but they delete a lot of detail in the X-TRANS files)
So for the time being I'm stuck using the old EF40mmf2.8 on the R7 until Fuji can figure out how to make film simulations work in HDR-PQ.
XS-20 and the Tamron 11-20mm for the vlog glory?
Why does the Fujifilm look like it has 4 stops of dynamic range? Is it just the contrast of Classic Neg? Have you tried Nostalgic Neg?
That's Fuji's biggest problem. You have to choose between good dynamic range f-log or film sims. They need film sim luts for their f-log profile.
That's a sexy setup right there
"...a little OK, slightly acceptable..." haha, nowhere else will I find those kinds of qualifiers.
The Viltrox has some pop, not comparable to the obscene pop of the mightyVoighty though. I bet a bit of play with both magic distances would create more- maybe incorporate some weasel slomo- see what I did there?
does fuji xs-20 fix issue with red-orange colors? We need tests with glory red T-shirt! ;)
Your best b roll to date.
My girlfriend's dog won't stop nose boopin me so unfortunately I don't know what you're saying.
😅
So is the Fuji 16mm 1.4 the only lens that has 3D pop in the system in your opinion? I kind of want it but know it’s kind of noisy. Like the close focus abilities
35mm t1.4 and 33mm t1.4 has it
Plenty of lenses have it when used properly, better for photography, I mean video is lame no matter the pop.
The 16, 33, 35 1.4 have it, the 18mm 1.4 kind of does, the Zeiss touit 32mm also has it, but its smaller aperture means you need to get close to see it, I also personally think their 50mm f2 has it
This video is useless. 3D pop? Lol, yes apsc has this drawback since years. But you just need to use theses lenses in the right way. This example doesn’t do justice to the bokeh capabilities of this Viltrox. I moved from FF (R5) to XT5 I saved a lot of money and my photos are not worse
@@patlezinc I don't think sensor size is the sole factor, plenty of apsc lenses have shown this characteristic, even when I've adapted my Leica M Zeiss Biogon 35mm f/2.8 to Fuji I saw 3D pop. It's more than just how shallow the depth of field is, it's to do with falloff, micro-contrast etc.
I thought you were making the 'micro-contrast' thing up, for a laugh - but I think it is a real thing. It really looked obvious in a few of these shots. Cheers, Cam from NZ:)
It definitely is real, look at basically any zeiss lens
I get my pop by clicking a button and adding it in post
8:02 Dope shot!!!
This is the most fun I have seen you have in any of your videos. Having a bit too much fun with the peasant-worthy Fuji?
The Squirrel footage and editing was amazing too, props for that.
As much as I would like to have a FF Fuji camera, going the APS-C route was far from the wrong decision considering the success of the X100 line.
Also, what's the fixation with the "3D Pop" in this video? Did the "toneh" got into your mind and now you want to isolate yourself from this plane of existence like Tony in that lake?
Guess it would be nice but 90% of people would still prefer sharpness quality over 3D simply because you expect a $500-$1000 investment on a lens to have the best image quality possible.
That Zeiss lens is MF only isn't it? You have to pick your poison, baby.
That squirrel was incredible
Full Frame Fuji would have been magic: nailed it with that comment
Yeah, unfortunately APSC was the smarter way for them to go as a business, theyd have already long gone bankrupt if they tried to compete in the full frame space back in 2012/2013 when they launched the X mount
wait.. i was listening at 8x speed per usual to get over your laconic Southern drawl but at 3:00 I heard you say 35mm 1.4... did you misspeak? did u mean the 35 1.2? misspoke? what's goin on? i dunno but me either
The fullbody comparison, the voigtländer at f1.2 made it look like a really bad green screen shot. This is what people are looking for?
You speak my mind. I thought the FF look is gonna be more pleasing but......no.
Dear Uncle 3D Pop, I'd like to make a request. Could you please mention the titles of the music you use in your videos? Thank you.
They’re his originals.
I am debating the X-S20 or the Hasselblade large format for video work, really stuck on my decisions because I know X-S20 great for visiting Antarctica with, but the Hasselblade large format produces superior images that will get me women.
You might have a very tiny problem with women on Antarctica.
That Voigtlander is giving me full frame envy.
Put voigtlander on the Fuji
I think viltrox is very good
But background is a trouble when you compare
27 1.2 vs 35 1.4, may be it fair than
Geeeez, what a brutal charisma you have 🤍😀 You should consider some yoga meditation mantra videos too. What a calming video. Thank you.
I always liked standard Fuji colors better but nowadays I like Sony more if edited properly. Your samples for me look more natural on the Sony. More neutral skin tones while Fuji bringing too much magenta. Shot outside on the Sony looks more natural and yellowish in the sunny weather with nice color of the sky, maybe just touch too much yellow on the grass. I guess the shot where you sit down on the grass with f4 setting is Provia on the Fuji. This one looks nicer but dynamic range is poor then. F-log and Eterna are not to my liking at all. Also the special look of Voigtlander 35 f1.2 on a FF is just no contest. You can't replicate that on APS-C and buying those gigantic Viltrox lenses for APS-C is hilarious although their 75 f1.2 can give something similar looking to the FF. Man I am more and more pushed towards selling all my Fuji stuff and buying A7C II.
Oh and by the way Fuji is still doing focus pulsing even though you just sit in one place on the grass and aperture is f4. Oh boy it's 2023 and it shouldn't happen even with third party glass.
That's because there is nothing natural about "Fuji colors". None of the presets are natural, they're just saturated with different contrast levels depending on simulation. Nothing special about full frame vs apsc either, it comes down to pixel density and pixel pitch. Fuji does a lot of things right but so many things late compared to the competition.
Why are your vids not showing up in my feed or subscribed section even though I am subscribed!?
What's the name of that music?
All my music is here vegetablepolice.bandcamp.com/
Went through all, can't find it. What's it called?
So X-S20 beats out X-H2S for amateur users?
I have watched other reviews of this lens and I cannot agree with you that is lacks 3D pop and micro contrast. Not sure if it was your settings or what... but I think you should revisit this aspect and maybe do further comparisons.
It has too many elements to have pop. Viltrox lenses almost never have that special look. The 75mm f1.2 might have some, but barely.
@@cameraconspiracies I stand corrected. I will definitely hold onto my OG fuuj 35mm f/1.4 which, as you know, is a character beast.
New music? 🔥
Boy are you shooting the standart shoots in Provia?? Eterna would be much better, and always stop down a little on the Fuuj. Higlights are near blown out in the hard contrasty provia look.. Love your Channel:)
7:45 awwww
My gripe with the Fuji in the lawn scene is the awful sky color compared to the Sony.
Sony "green"
Would you ever consider reviewing display tech?
Fuji colors are like my eyeballs are suddenly and inexplicably diseased. Fuji does do black good though... I've noticed that. Example: The black squirrel shots were awesome and terrifying in equal measure.
It doesn't matter because 1.2 and 1.4 didn't make any sense when you under construction right? (Love you man 😉)
I think you need ninja gear for the autofocus tests where you jump into view. Especially for sony.
Deep down in your plumbs you know that you're a Fuji boi :) #engagingcomment
That focus breathing though....
Viltrox 28mm 1.8 FE would pop in Sony
I like the Sony Voigtländer combination more.
Viltrox & Fuji..
The best arranged Marriage on RUclips..
● Hopefully for Nikon Z, as efficient & Aesthetic.
the hypnotizing squirrel dance at 8:02!
One thing to consider is the colour cast from the ND filter, ever tried the NiSi swift system? for me it was a great upgrade from a k&f 2-32 vnd.
for fuj, you want to set you autofocus pretty slow so you can come close to cinema manual focus territory.
All these Chinese makers..... omg, can you believe that it's $15? That had me laughing so hard! Its totally true!
wtf is this grain in the background (on trees for example). How is that possible in bright day?
The villy looks great but the voighty just looks straight up green screen there’s so much 3D pop
Very sharp and nice, but a little long for vlogging.
Get yourself a sign....................................THIS PARK IS MINE!
Yeah a full frame bodied lens on an APSC only camera system is pretty sad. There's no edge and corner performance to check on as its sharp from edge to edge and corner to corner. APSC and many full frame and mirrorless medium format lenses are all sharp edge to edge and corner to corner and every format looks the same. There's no longer an apsc look or full frame look or medium format look, unless you get a Voightlander, Zeiss, Leica or Pentax lens for that cinematic 3D pop dimensional image quality.
The problem is the Fotograffee industry and Poofessional Fotograffers have been demanding lenses be sharp from edge to edge and corner to corner - now everything looks the same. Same bokeh, same bokeh balls, no flares and no CA's (which create 3D pop). Over corrected lenses and everything looks clinical and sterile from edge to edge and corner to corner. Sony's getting rid of Zeiss slowly and what will they have soon, 20 element count lenses in 19 groups - do you want that? no I don't want that! The fotograffers are killing the industry and killing lens design with massive element count lenses that have corrected for all aberrations especially 3D pop/dimensionality........
I watched a review of the Pentax designed Tokina Firin 100mm 2.8 macro versus the Sony 90mm 2.8 macro and versus the super sharp 17 element Sigma 105mm 2.8 macro for E-mount. The sigma was the sharpest but rendered a totally flat 2D image. The Sony with one extra element over the Tokina had 3D pop but not as much as the 100mm Firin. But you watch Fotograffers embrace the Sigma lens for its sharpness and "Aberrations are all well controlled" image rendering. Its utter madness. Fuji lenses have no 3D pop, its all huge element counts and aberrations are all under control and image rendering is flat.
I agree that this is the trend now and it's killing image character but to be honest Fuji have some nice lenses with nice rendering. XF 35 f1.4 reminds me of my all time favourite Nikon 58 f1.4. Fuji's old 56 f1.2, their new 50 f1 are also setup for nice rendering and not sharpness.
I agree, at least fujis new 33mm 1.4 didnt absolutely destroy its character, the 35mm 1.4 is definitely still better for it but the 33mm hit the right balance between clinical sharpness and that "swirly" corner bokeh
Blond ass out of focus but black squirrel shots where wow wow...and great music
The full frame Fuji is here, it's called the Nikon Zf
All this lens is doing is making me feel like my Fuji 33mm f1.4 might not be as awesome as I imagine, yet my snobbery is making me not buy it - with the excuse that it's because it's 200g heavier. Even though it's 95g LIGHTER than the Fuji 16-55mm I held in my hand all summer! I'm an idiot.
Dude, that audio outdoors is killing my ears